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striktlymi: So you do not know the difference between gloating over something and the comment I made?


This is wonderful...

Im tired of playing with you.

Learn to read.

Enjoy.

striktlymi: Don't make me doubt your ability to comprehend...

Dont make me doubt you have a brain.

striktlymi: You were not there but you KNOW he MUST have gloated? Very sound reasoning indeed...

Yup, like this.

striktlymi:
Anyways, seriously now...the pastor should have been quiet about the whole ish and warn his folks to keep it to themselves that would have prevented this dilemma he finds himself in.

Do you have selective amnesia?

striktlymi: The question is: How do you know that the pastor gloated about what happened?

What I see here are people jumping to conclusions because a pastor is involved...

We should not let our personal ish with Christianity get in the way...

He must have gloated. I wasnt there but the inference is very strong. How else would the community have known? If he had buried the snake quietly this probably would never have occurred. If he did not gloat, he must have been indiscreet.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]I noticed that and I apologise if i sounded judgemental. you were just sharing a true story I guess. .

however that was my opinion, when you were in your state of ignorance. it was certainly a horrible incident. I guess the mob mentality factor also played a huge part in your actions. when people are in a large group, they tend to get excited and violent.[/quote]Its all good. Since then Ive shared a room on more than one occasion with a snake. Im not bothered as long as the bed is not on the ground as I know most snakes will not attack unless they have no other option. Still, I will kill a snake if it presents a danger.

[quote author=PAGAN 9JA]what you and your friends did there was wrong though. an animal was stuck through a fence and you slaughtered it like that. that is disgusting and cruel. it was not even free to run.

why would a God create a harmless creature and hen tell us to kill/stamp it. such a God is a foolish God and i hate such Gods.[/quote]Maybe you should stop being rigid and read again.

I had a mindset before posting but after reading every post here (including yours), my mindset changed and thats why I took the pains to share the story. I didnt type all of that for fun or for exercise.

A snake is not a pleasant creature to be around (for a lot of people). Remember too, we had consulted indigenes on the matter and they had assured us that it was a dead tradition (we soon discovered otherwise).
The difference between us and the pastor is that we did not gloat about it. Our safety was our primary concern.

Stop being judgmental.

I have a personal experience of this kind of matter. I served in Anambra State so I am familiar with the consequences of killing an Eke. After the school I lived in was a thick bush and then a dibias home.

Now, right from camp, we were warned not to kill snakes. We were told that if we suddenly come into our rooms and see a snake on our beds or pillows, we were to carry it by hand and throw it into the bush. If we were afraid, we were to call an indigene who would remove it for us. If we were brave enough, we could sleep with it still on our pillow.

We were assured that the snake was harmless and would not attack. We were told that if we killed the snake, we would have to bury it like a titled man. It was taboo to kill eke.

All the while, goose pimples were sprouting from the girls and cries of "blood of Jesus" rent the air. We were even told of notorious communities were we had to be extra careful in case we were posted there. For the avoidance of doubt, Eke is the royal python.

Some months into my service, on our way to the tap, one of the lady corpers spotted a snake which quickly squeezed itself into a locked garage. Peeping through the cracks, we saw this thick snake chilling. We began to speculate because when we heard python, we expected something really big. I remember as a child my grand mother would tell me how pythons use palm trees to measure length. This wasnt as long as a palm tree but it was no ordinary snake. It was long and fat. Thick!
We couldnt get at it so we let it be while we wondered how long it had been living with us and what it had been eating. Then we saw the school gardener and brought him to the garage. As we told him about the snake, the first thing he asked was "na Eke?". We said we didnt know because we had only heard but we had never seen one. He looked into the garage but by then the snake had hidden itself. Then Mazi (that was what we called him) said very clearly "if na Eke, kill am and cook am. If una no go chop give me, I go chop". We asked him if it wasnt taboo to kill Eke, but he shrugged it off.

Later my friend and I went outside the compound to buy some stuff and we asked the man selling stuff if Eke could be killed as we were told otherwise in camp. He said that it was old tradition and it doesnt hold anymore. He said people kill and eat Eke (though he didnt volunteer to eat it if we killed it).

Its important to note that these were all indigenes resident in the area.

My friend and I went back to the school fortified in the knowledge that if we see the Eke, we could kill it. We didnt see it that day, or the next, or the next . . .

Sometime later (weeks after), at about 9pm, the remaining female corper in our lodge (the other had passed out) came running "Gudugudu, Barri Wonder, something is making noise near my room". We went to check it out (we had no electricity) and our torch showed a snake struggling under a barrier. Its a bit hard to describe. I will just say that the snake tried to crawl underneath a fence like thing and got stuck. Its head and neck went through but the body couldnt pass. It could neither go forward nor retreat so it was thrashing about and making a racket.

Quickly we ran to our secretarys house to borrow cutlasses. As soon as she heard "snake" she was so frightened. She gave us the tools and locked up after us. We went to the snake and hacked it until it stopped thrashing. For good measure, I doused it with kerosene but didnt set fire since most of its body was out of our reach. By climbing over the wall, we could see the other part of its body but we couldnt reach it.

In short, we dealt mortal blows on the reptile. There was blood everywhere and we left it for dead.

In the morning, we went to the spot and there was no snake. Just blood. So we climbed over the wall and looked and there the snake was. The snake we left for dead astonishingly wasnt dead when we thought it was. By morning it was dead though. What happened was that the snakes head was flattened by the blows we dealt it and so in its throes, it was able to retreat finally. Imagine our shock when we looked in the daylight and found out that it was the very same snake we had seen some weeks earlier.
Without being told, we knew it was Eke!

We went to return out tools to the secretary. She asked if we killed the snake and we said yes. Only then for the first time did she ask if it was Eke. We looked at ourselves and said "no". Then she became boastful. This same woman who almost ran up the wall into her ceiling the previous night told us that if it was Eke, we ought to have called her and she would drive it away. Then she started telling us how Eke used to eat her eggs and she kept warning it. It got to the point that one day, she flogged it with a cane and told it that if it came to eat her eggs next time, she would kill it. According to her, Eke never bothered her again.

After her lengthy narrative, she took Kolanuts and threw them around our lodge and asked us to remove some wood and zinc as these were hiding places for snakes.
When school started that same morning, we went and reported ourselves to the acting Principal.

The man was befuddled. He asked "did you kerosene it" and we said yes. He was downcast. He started thinking aloud. He said "what was Eke looking for in the lodge? Is Eke not supposed to know that you are strangers. Eke dont suppose to come here". Then he said he wished he could have been there so he would remove it with his hands and throw outside the compound adding that a five year old child could have carried the Eke away. Then he tapped his head (like papa Ajasco) and muttered to himself. He was in a severe dilemma. He wanted to retrieve the body of the snake but he feared sending a student to do it lest that student be seen by other students and then the gist gets to the community and then his corpers are in hot soup. Then it seems he fancied his chances of defending us against the community because he kept telling himself that he was a first class citizen of the community.

He also told us of a nearby community, some church school or something, how Eke was found in the girls bathroom. He told us that Eke would never attack a stranger or an indigene but that if Eke sees and Abakaliki man, Eke will attack him. The reason he said was because Abakaliki men kill and eat Eke.
We then told him that Mazi and the man that sells things outside the school told us to kill the Eke that the tradition no longer held. He was disgusted and said that they said that because they were christians. Then, he told us that if Eke is crossing the road, cars stop to let it pass.

In the end, he asked us to keep the matter quiet. The snake was left there in the enclosure next to ours and because of the size of the snake, its decomposition kept the air in the lodge foul for the better part of two weeks.

I have not embellished neither have I exaggerated.

My take is that there is nothing special about the Eke. Nobody knew we killed Eke except the principal to whom we reported ourselves. The reason Eke is "harmless" is because nobody attacks it. If you raise a chicken from a chick, if no one attacks it, it will not fear humans. Ive seen chickens like that. They walk up to you and are not moved if you shoo them. No one attacks Eke in the community so it has no need to defend itself.
I dont believe that Abakaliki crap as a snake has no means of knowing who is from where.

Now if the Pastor was an indigene of the place, he could have been more discreet, but he probably taunted the indigenes with the death of the snake. It kind of reminds someone of Benson Idahosa destroying idols in Benin City.
He did what he did because of his religion. Its not everyone that reacts kindly to snakes so I can understand his killing it, particularly as the bible talks about crushing snakes with the heel of the foot. He shouldnt however have waved his "sacrilege in their faces" as I feel he must have done.

I have a personal experience of this kind of matter. I served in Anambra State so I am familiar with the consequences of killing an Eke. After the school I lived in was a thick bush and then a dibias home.

Now, right from camp, we were warned not to kill snakes. We were told that if we suddenly come into our rooms and see a snake on our beds or pillows, we were to carry it by hand and throw it into the bush. If we were afraid, we were to call an indigene who would remove it for us. If we were brave enough, we could sleep with it still on our pillow.

We were assured that the snake was harmless and would not attack. We were told that if we killed the snake, we would have to bury it like a titled man. It was taboo to kill eke.

All the while, goose pimples were sprouting from the girls and cries of "blood of Jesus" rent the air. We were even told of notorious communities were we had to be extra careful in case we were posted there. For the avoidance of doubt, Eke is the royal python.

Some months into my service, on our way to the tap, one of the lady corpers spotted a snake which quickly squeezed itself into a locked garage. Peeping through the cracks, we saw this thick snake chilling. We began to speculate because when we heard python, we expected something really big. I remember as a child my grand mother would tell me how pythons use palm trees to measure length. This wasnt as long as a palm tree but it was no ordinary snake. It was long and fat. Thick!
We couldnt get at it so we let it be while we wondered how long it had been living with us and what it had been eating. Then we saw the school gardener and brought him to the garage. As we told him about the snake, the first thing he asked was "na Eke?". We said we didnt know because we had only heard but we had never seen one. He looked into the garage but by then the snake had hidden itself. Then Mazi (that was what we called him) said very clearly "if na Eke, kill am and cook am. If una no go chop give me, I go chop". We asked him if it wasnt taboo to kill Eke, but he shrugged it off.

Later my friend and I went outside the compound to buy some stuff and we asked the man selling stuff if Eke could be killed as we were told otherwise in camp. He said that it was old tradition and it doesnt hold anymore. He said people kill and eat Eke (though he didnt volunteer to eat it if we killed it).

Its important to note that these were all indigenes resident in the area.

My friend and I went back to the school fortified in the knowledge that if we see the Eke, we could kill it. We didnt see it that day, or the next, or the next . . .

Sometime later (weeks after), at about 9pm, the remaining female corper in our lodge (the other had passed out) came running "Gudugudu, Barri Wonder, something is making noise near my room". We went to check it out (we had no electricity) and our torch showed a snake struggling under a barrier. Its a bit hard to describe. I will just say that the snake tried to crawl underneath a fence like thing and got stuck. Its head and neck went through but the body couldnt pass. It could neither go forward nor retreat so it was thrashing about and making a racket.

Quickly we ran to our secretarys house to borrow cutlasses. As soon as she heard "snake" she was so frightened. She gave us the tools and locked up after us. We went to the snake and hacked it until it stopped thrashing. For good measure, I doused it with kerosene but didnt set fire since most of its body was out of our reach. By climbing over the wall, we could see the other part of its body but we couldnt reach it.

In short, we dealt mortal blows on the reptile. There was blood everywhere and we left it for dead.

In the morning, we went to the spot and there was no snake. Just blood. So we climbed over the wall and looked and there the snake was. The snake we left for dead astonishingly wasnt dead when we thought it was. By morning it was dead though. What happened was that the snakes head was flattened by the blows we dealt it and so in its throes, it was able to retreat finally. Imagine our shock when we looked in the daylight and found out that it was the very same snake we had seen some weeks earlier.
Without being told, we knew it was Eke!

We went to return out tools to the secretary. She asked if we killed the snake and we said yes. Only then for the first time did she ask if it was Eke. We looked at ourselves and said "no". Then she became boastful. This same woman who almost ran up the wall into her ceiling the previous night told us that if it was Eke, we ought to have called her and she would drive it away. Then she started telling us how Eke used to eat her eggs and she kept warning it. It got to the point that one day, she flogged it with a cane and told it that if it came to eat her eggs next time, she would kill it. According to her, Eke never bothered her again.

After her lengthy narrative, she took Kolanuts and threw them around our lodge and asked us to remove some wood and zinc as these were hiding places for snakes.
When school started that same morning, we went and reported ourselves to the acting Principal.

The man was befuddled. He asked "did you kerosene it" and we said yes. He was downcast. He started thinking aloud. He said "what was Eke looking for in the lodge? Is Eke not supposed to know that you are strangers. Eke dont suppose to come here". Then he said he wished he could have been there so he would remove it with his hands and throw outside the compound adding that a five year old child could have carried the Eke away. Then he tapped his head (like papa Ajasco) and muttered to himself. He was in a severe dilemma. He wanted to retrieve the body of the snake but he feared sending a student to do it lest that student be seen by other students and then the gist gets to the community and then his corpers are in hot soup. Then it seems he fancied his chances of defending us against the community because he kept telling himself that he was a first class citizen of the community.

He also told us of a nearby community, some church school or something, how Eke was found in the girls bathroom. He told us that Eke would never attack a stranger or an indigene but that if Eke sees and Abakaliki man, Eke will attack him. The reason he said was because Abakaliki men kill and eat Eke.
We then told him that Mazi and the man that sells things outside the school told us to kill the Eke that the tradition no longer held. He was disgusted and said that they said that because they were christians. Then, he told us that if Eke is crossing the road, cars stop to let it pass.

In the end, he asked us to keep the matter quiet. The snake was left there in the enclosure next to ours and because of the size of the snake, its decomposition kept the air in the lodge foul for the better part of two weeks.

I have not embellished neither have I exaggerated.

My take is that there is nothing special about the Eke. Nobody knew we killed Eke except the principal to whom we reported ourselves. The reason Eke is "harmless" is because nobody attacks it. If you raise a chicken from a chick, if no one attacks it, it will not fear humans. Ive seen chickens like that. They walk up to you and are not moved if you shoo them. No one attacks Eke in the community so it has no need to defend itself.
I dont believe that Abakaliki crap as a snake has no means of knowing who is from where.

Now if the Pastor was an indigene of the place, he could have been more discreet, but he probably taunted the indigenes with the death of the snake. It kind of reminds someone of Benson Idahosa destroying idols in Benin City.
He did what he did because of his religion. Its not everyone that reacts kindly to snakes so I can understand his killing it, particularly as the bible talks about crushing snakes with the heel of the foot. He shouldnt however have waved his "sacrilege in their faces" as I feel he must have done.

FOLYKAZE: Nope


The root cause of the problem we have in Nigeria today is Religion . . .

It is said that the cockroach can never be innocent in the gathering of fowls. One shouldnt be so anti religious that one cannot connect the dots.

Is there a problem with religion? Yes! Is religion the root of our problems? No! Is religion one of our problems? Yes.

It wouldnt be fair to blame religion without mentioning its brother (possibly its twin) culture. I think our culture is more of a culprit than religion. Our culture has its good sides no doubt but in the end, our culture in my opinion encourages subservience.
You respect a person because he is older than you not because he is wiser. You cannot correct someone who is older as that is deemed to be an insult. In turn,you oppress those younger than you. You heed not their counsel because culturally (as opposed to actually) age grants you primacy. We even back it up with adages "what the old man will see sitting down, the youth will not see from the top of the palm tree ". I think it was Abimbola Aduuni Adelakun in Under The Brown Rusted Roofs that wrote "what do we do with age if not to cheat each other" (or something like that. I will confirm).

Picture this sort of culture and then the people are presented with religion that demands absolute obeisance from its followers. How can they resist? Subservience is already embedded in them. If we had a more robust culture, one that favoured merit over age, we might naturally question religion. Only a few breakout from this mental cage and are demonized by the rest.

I dont hold the view that our culture is all bad but many parts are obstacles in our progress. We will grow when we learn to question.

bolaino: well, if it works good for him, but if it doesn't, hmmMm, but I think that no matter what, u guys are always gon look for a logical explanation for what might happen, (that's assuming it works)

And exactly what is wrong in looking for logical explanations ?

ijawkid: They are always looking for logical ways to explain just about everything........small time them go dey find way to use logic explain how and why them dey shi-t for toilet...........

Better than giving credit to a myth.

Toluwarni: No body challenged you there, this is a challenge.. Someone is challenging you, accept the challenge, it's as simple as that.. Nothing more.

A total waste of time. Im not that idle.

Theres a better way. Go through the thread and read about the Randi Challenge. A million dollars is the stake. We can all learn and enrich ourselves at the same time. Win, Win!

Toluwarni: No need for this argument, ghostofsparta just challenged you atheist.. the whole thing would be recorded on video www.nairaland.com/1272264/billyonaire-kindly-accept-supernatural-challenge/2

It has been done before and nothing happened. You arent familiar with the religion section. I suggest you take your time and go through.

Start here
https://www.nairaland.com/445085/chalenge-huxleykay-17ogaga4luv-other-atheists#6032335

Tolunonsense,

you just discredited yourself and your religion.

You are the type to serve "Satan" in the name of "God"

Toluwarni: Dude! I recorded that video my self... So please, don't say its edited, because you weren't there when it happened

Will you shut up?

You think that that is the first time anyone is seeing that video here?

You need a physical application of justice to your personal physique. Lying swine!

Toluwarni: like i said before, you'll provide a twist to any video i put on here on spiritual happenings.. what if i told you i was there live what are you gonna say eh? the fact is, you've got this mindset not to believe in any thing spiritual, even if Jesus comes down, i don't think you'll believe, I'm done trying to convince you reetards... There's nothing i'll say that will change you.

Yes Albus Einstein Dumbledore

Purist: I'm beginning to tire out. Since this thread hit the front page, it's been really difficult keeping up with the numerous nonsense flying in left, right and centre.

I swear down

Tinyemeka: Oyibo learner. Tell me how to get an uncracked egg into a bottle. Or a wooden crucifix.

Same method. Just soak the egg in vinegar.

Extra credit: go through whole thread

dannyokec: Jesus walked on water then their was nothing like plexi glass explain?

Have you watched childs play chuky?
Living dead etc
Hav you heard of voodoo or boogie man
Have heard of the lawrence of american that died and tried raisin on the third day but was destroyed by thunder
Have.you watched the supernatural
People wit hiv postive turned negative after prayers no specific reference it happens everyday breark your dooms move around and talk to people you will surely meet some who was healed from hiv with evidence such medical results etc.
Have you read "HE SET THE CAPTIVES FREE"
Have you had of illuminati
Have you had of isakaba or bakasi
Have said enough I guess

Harry Potter got the better of Voldemort. Explain

Iykesmooth: Its rili so disgusting when people say supernatural things or magic do not exist? Are u on dis planet or wat? When i started believing was when i entered a bus and d conductor was collecting money and he asked a man 2 pay, the man said he hed no money then d conductor got mad and threatened 2 deal with him...... Wen d man got 2 his bus stop d conductor held his shirt and said he must pay!! D man asked d conductor 2 let go but he refused ... All he did was say a few incantations and touched d conductor , d conductor just started crawling on d floor and acting like a mad man... Everyone in d bus was scared!! Me included.... D driver and d few brave ones had 2 beg him b4 he made d conductor back 2 normal.... Dis was 2years ago... So u pple saying magic dosent exist should shut d Bleep up!!!

You know, some years ago, the story went round that certain numbers that would call your phone would cause death. If people got a call from a strange number, they would hyper react, sometimes causing death. Where death didnt occur, they would "give 'god' the glory".

Can I get a witness?

This crap was widespread. Some dying, some hospitalized. Me, I answered all my calls, even from strange area codes.

Thats all it was. People calling with international numbers were causing deaths with the ignorant. Psychosomatic deaths!

FOLYKAZE: Seeing and verification does this. A goat was killed with a double barrel in my presence and the same gun was pointed to a man which only burned his cloth and his skin was not touched. I moved closer to check, put my hand on this guy chest and sees that he was not wounded. I repeat, if you think this im saying is a lie, this guy will be forwarded to you any place in south west. Aint joking man

[size=18pt]I suggest you read about Jean Eugène Robert-Houdin. Please note his contribution in the Algerian war.[/size] Im an amateur hobbyist magician myself so when it comes to this type of thing, most know less than me. There are people that will tell you of my 'spiritual' powers. Look I met native doctors. Young fellas who confessed to me. Im not joking. Over beers they told me the "play".

Leave the nonsense where people use chloroform or the one where you are in a taxi and millions are found etc (note I said etc)

Tunmi: I love this thread. And thanks to those who kept debunking these "supernatural" nonsense. You would think with all these juju and whatnot Naija would be the #1 nation in the world. At least electricity would be constant na.

Where is the thumbs up icon when I need it?

See Tunmi, why would we need private jets when our African science can transport us anywhere at the speed of light?

Purist: Bros I tire o. As someone rightly suggested earlier, Nigerians should start spending less time on Linda Ikeji's blog and start doing more productive things on the Internet instead. YouTube is free to use FFS! Tons of educative videos there. But no, they'd rather watch two Kenyan love birds get stuck into each other to further validate their belief in "magun". Imagine someone pointing to TB Joshua as "proof" of the supernatural. smh.

Cant say I blame them too much. Much of this is very deep rooted. Lots of people take solace in these beliefs. It helps them escape from consequences/responsibilities of life.
Its easier to say goddidit or someone in the village is doing it than to look for actual solutions.

Purist: Dude, I'll reply you only this one time just for the sake of others reading this thread, seeing as I'm failing to heed my own advice now. First of all, google "Michael Lotito". Secondly, read up on the disorders called "Pica" and "Hyalophagia". I sincerely hope this satisfies your curiousity and most importantly, that you LEARN something. You can thank me later.

Oh and about the stabbing thingy, stop telling lies please.

If he had read the thread, he would have seen that I mentioned Michel Lotito earlier on. There used to be this DVd I had, "The Magic of Las Vegas". One of the series featured a woman eating glass and walking on glass as well. Then there are coal walkers (the science behind that is well known).

Well, if not for you, I'd have borrowed a leaf from Mazaje and I'd have told him to bring his friend for a comprehensive stabbing

Crocs and gators can be stabbed so . . .

Purist: @jayriginal:

Bro, I'd suggest you stop wasting your time with some people here, especially seeing as this thread has hit the front page now. Therefore, you should expect all manners of absurdities henceforth.

Noted bro

Toluwarni: Atheists give your life to Christ... He is coming soon.. Mazaje, Jayriginal... Christ is calling you people today, accept him and be saved... GOODNIGHT.. You'd be surprised when you die and something happens

Indeed, I would be surprised

Toluwarni: Don't try to be sarcastic... Answer my question, Scientists, till date aren't able to give an explanation of how this world came to be.. Or don't tell me you believe that big bang nonsense...

Im not "trying" to be sarcastic Einstein. I am telling you that the process by which language came about was more magical than the tower of Babel story. Isnt that what you believe in ? Magic ?

minute: Some good, some not so good.

This might sound gross but it's true. I was having my morning bowel and it felt like I finished

letting out a bowling ball.I even felt the water from the toilet hit me corn hole. And when

I looked down the into the toilet I saw nothing. It seemed as if a ghost had stole me feces. And

I looked everywhere around the house for it and found nothing. Then the next day I woke up to the

sound of a ghostly shart coming from the kitchen. Then i went to investigate and to my surprise I

found my missing turd nugget resting on the cutting board as if some entity was getting ready to

have a little snack. I never dropped a deuce the same way again after that.

Toluwarni: yeah! Because I've had first hand experiences.. Believe it or not. I still maintain my stand... YOU HAVE A LOW IQ. Ok let me ask you question, there are over 200 languages, tell me how they came to be..

Hey Einstein, why question the low IQ guy?

Confused much?

I know the answer though. Over 200 languages. How else could they come about if not by "magic" ?

Toluwarni: I won't argue with you... You've got a low IQ, so no need arguing with you

Funny. Coming from someone who believes in magic!

Toluwarni: All these Atheists dey argue mumu argument, I witnessed a guys joystick disappear in 2008 just because he picked N500... I was there life.. So abeg, na magic be that I've seen things, I've heard testimonies from close relatives... Well, There's nothing we theists can say that will convince you Muzzcunts.. Believe or Not.. Its your choice

You must have also witnessed a man turning into yam because he picked money. It is your type of person that arrested a goat in Kwara state for stealing (saying that the thief turned into a goat).

If you choose to elevate superstitious myths over reason, that is your headache.

pekelepekele:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdOsXuqfORE

I didnt watch this video but the condition is quite known to science. Do a little research. I first knew of it from reading a Jackie Collins (or whats her name that wrote "Hollywood Wives" ) novel. It has a name if you care to find out.