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[quote author=Dux-01]so are you trying to say there is no higher power than that which we can see?[/quote]I dont know enough to make that claim

bolaino: mr know it all, what if I told u the eggs I saw in the. Glass bottle were not hard boiled eggs but raw eggs, and they were broken after sometime to prove that they were raw eggs?

I already told you before. The method is the same as the one Muskeeto posted with the difference that the eggs are soaked in vinegar to soften them.

bolaino: what would you see to make u believe in the supernatural? Being a freethinker doesn't necessarily mean u have to disregard the possibility of supernatural occurrences.

I dont know to be honest but whatever it is would probably also be enough to put me in a mental institution.

bolaino: Well, after all is said and done it still boils down to the concept of "seeing is believing" to u guys, (as should every rational human) superstition thrives on belief, and believing in it is you giving yourself to it,

But we are grateful to science, science has been able to explain to us in detail things that our ancestors never thought could be understood, and I hope that in the nearest future most of the things we thought were mysteries would be unraveled.

Seeing means you "saw". It does not necessarily mean its real. Think about this.

Now think of a mirage. From far you see water but is it really water you see? Is there really water?
Seeing a mirage from far, you could swear that there was water even without investigation but would it be so?

Similarly, when you think you see something seemingly unnatural, you shouldnt be in such a hurry to call it supernatural.

So no, seeing is not believing.

I have seen inexplicable things as well but I do not call them supernatural.

FOLYKAZE: I dont know if the people doing those stuff are tricksters or magicians. But the problem I have is that I cant explain those stuff.

There you have it.

Ive seen people eat bottles on tv. How about the French man who would eat bicycles, plates, cutlery. Heck he even ate a plane. Was that juju ? No. Look up Michel Lotito

There are people who can catch bullets with their teeth. Now if you dont know any better, you would say its jazz.

Look there is money to be won if you can prove this. One million dollars. We can all share it on this thread

bolaino: lol, u got me laffing wit the linda ikeji blog, you're very right, it seems what most nigerians seem to focus on more now is gossip and irrelevant stuffs.

I'm really enjoying this thread, it's insightful and eye opening, I wish nigerians could try to be more logical in their thoughts and actions,

The fact that you cannot explain something in no way makes that thing supernatural. There is usually an explanation even if that explanation isnt known.

First, you mentioned the egg in the bottle. You were shown that it was a basic scientific experiment for kids. The most common version has the egg hardboiled and peeled. There are other versions done with the egg shell still intact. Infact there is a thread on it on nairaland. I thought you might ask about that. The method is the same but a little more preparation is needed. To soften the eggshell, it must be soaked in vinegar for about 24 hours.

Next you brought up Criss Angel, seeming as it were, fully convinced that he was using supernatural powers and nobody could prove otherwise. That notion was also laid to rest.
Now you are on to crucifixes inside a bottle. Cant you see something and engage your mind in a solution other than the supernatural?
The first stage of knowledge is to realize how "unknowledgeable" you are. That goes for all of us. The more you know, the more you know that you know very little.

Youve been shown how to build a ship in a bottle, a venture that I daresay is more complicated than joining two sticks together.

Look mate, when you see something you dont understand, try and figure out how it was done. If it defies you, file it away under "unresolved". Dont be so quick to ascribe it to the supernatural. One day, you just might stumble upon the explanation.

Cheers.

ijawkid: Make I check the site sef...e fit be scam sef.......

Ok check. We are waiting.

Purist!!!

I see you bro

ijawkid: Have you forgotten that I'm christlike and won't have anything to do with demons and spiritism??......

Who ever that is used shouldn't be a problem as long as the juju is working right in front of your eyes.......

But eh, wouldnt your participation (direct or indirect) be at conflict with your religion?
Also, you claim your power is a higher one, so it should work too abi?

ijawkid: If you get 1 million dollars make I run naked for road............

Make ona come bayelsa or warri.......make ona just come......

Its like you didnt read the link I provided. http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html
They will come to Bayelsa if you accept the challenge. We are talking of 1M USD. It can go round. Plus I will convert sef. Win win situation.

ezme: What i know for sure is this, people have showed different levels of faith in different talisman and have participated in dangerous gun duels even back then in the University and my experience of the warri crisis. What I know for sure is this people who possess these talisman have also fallen to bullet wounds so where therefore is the potency?

See, cultism was rife in my University and so I have heard more than my fair share of tales of native bullet proof. The fact is, these are amateurs. They are wannabe gangsters. They have no training on firearms. They hold the gat sideways like they see in the movies. No proper posture, no offset, nothing. Then they shoot and miss (even from close range) and they attribute it to jazz.

Bollocks!

I will repeat. Its easy to miss something close to you if you havent had training/practice. And in the Univeristy situation, your target is usually running for his dear life.
That one is an amateur doesnt mean that the first shot will always miss, it just means that the odds are against him hitting his target.

There is only one way to prove this whole native bullet proof thing.

Fela almost died trying to prove it. It was Beko (I think) that convinced him to put the charm around a goat otherwise, Fela was ready to chest a bullet.

Guess what?

The goat died.

bolaino: Lol, abeg ooo, I have sEen the power of egbesu first hand during the 2003 crisis in warri, around an area called idumusobo, mann, these niggas were taking bullets mann,

Really?

You sat down and watched did you?

Give us a break please. Bullets are flying around and you had the peace of mind to stroll around in the center casually observing whos chest was hit and unpenetrated?

ijawkid: These stories are not hear say...look at my I.d name and you'll know that I'm serious with what I'm saying........

I have cousins,brothers ,relatives who've got the egbesu juju all over them and who have been shot numerous times.......

I just can't get it when you talk about trained mask men and all that rubbish....

We are not talking about tÀrgets who are Ón the run...we are talking abÓut targets who were closed up and shot at close range......you guys can't just stay far away and make assumptions and conclusions.........

I have seen with my eyes........

The psychotic shooters who engage in killing sprees are they trained shooters??...but as we know they kill people........

I'm telling you guys the koko,you are there arguing blindly............

Your so called psychotic shooters hit people because they are shooting into crowds. Note that I never said it is impossible for an amateur to hit his target. Read what I wrote again.

I find it amusing that you wish to volunteer someone elses body and not yours for Mazaje's challenge. Playing safe are we?

As for your user name, it proves nothing.

slimyem: I know about using it for the "apollo" thing.
Infact,I am testimony to that.Caught the thing some years back and it was recommended as a fast and permanent treatment.The apollo was gone in less than 12 hrs.
...and feacal transplant?
School me please!!

It may sound like the most unappealing treatment available, but a small new study has concluded that inserting fecal material from a healthy person into the gut of someone with severe diarrhea may cure their problem more effectively than antibiotics.

The study, which appears in the New England Journal of Medicine, involved patients who had repeated bouts of diarrhea caused by a bacterium known as Clostridium difficile. So-called C. diff can take over the intestines after antibiotic treatment has killed off the beneficial bacteria found in the gut.

One transplant of fecal material from a volunteer - with its mix of healthy bacteria - resolved severe diarrhea in 13 out of 16 volunteers. Standard treatment with an antibiotic, in comparison, worked in four of 13 patients.

"This is the first hard evidence that has been provided for the treatment," senior author Dr. Josbert Keller of the University of Amsterdam told Reuters Health.

"Those of us who do it know how effective it is," said Dr. Colleen Kelly of Brown University's Alpert Medical School in Providence, Rhode Island, who was not connected with the study but uses fecal transplant in her practice.

About 3 million people in the U.S. are infected annually with C. diff, which spreads mainly through hospitals, nursing homes and doctors' offices.

The bacterium underlying the problem is called "difficile" for a reason. When it controls the gut, it can be difficult to eradicate. Antibiotics typically only work in 15 to 26 percent of patients with C. diff. - and after repeated rounds of treatment, the drugs become less effective.

"I've done 90 of these now in the last four and a half years. In patient after patient who has failed multiple courses of antibiotic, if you give them a dose of stool, they get better," she told Reuters Health.

Stool transplants have been proposed as one alternative.

Keller and his colleagues compared three treatments in a small trial.

Thirteen volunteers with C. diff received a standard antibiotic, vancomycin, four times a day for 14 days. After 10 weeks, four were free of bacteria-related diarrhea.

Another 13 patients had the same drug therapy after drinking a solution to clean out the bowel, a process known as bowel lavage that is similar to what people go through if they are getting a colonoscopy. That worked in three cases.

The remaining 16 volunteers had a brief treatment with vancomycin, combined with bowel lavage, followed by the infusion of 500 milliliters of diluted donor feces through a tube that went into the nose, down the throat, past the stomach and into the small intestine.

In the three cases where that treatment failed, the doctors re-treated patients with fecal material from a different donor. That worked in all but one case.

Among the volunteers in the non-transplant groups who had a relapse of C. diff, 18 were later given a fecal transplant. It cured 15 of them, although four of the 15 needed two treatments.

All of the donors - people who worked in the hospital who were not involved with patient care - were periodically screened for a variety of diseases.

When side effects were tallied in the transplant group, 94 percent of patients reported diarrhea, 31 percent had cramping and 19 percent had belching, but all of those symptoms disappeared within three hours. Nineteen percent ultimately reported constipation after treatment.

Feces transplants may sound extremely distasteful, but "the patients were desperate because they had had several episodes. There was nothing else they could do. There was no psychological hurdle for them," said Keller.

"I think the 'yuck' thing is overplayed," Kelly said. "There's a desperation when you're this sick this long."

Only eight of the 43 patients in the study were willing to try the treatment after their first relapse of C. diff, Keller and his colleagues reported.

"The efficacy of antibiotic therapy decreases with subsequent recurrences, and it seems reasonable to initiate treatment with donor-feces infusion after the second or third relapse," they wrote.

http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/poop-transplant-sounds-gross-works-wonders-article-1.1241807

bolaino: But it gives credence to my earlier argument that these set of beliefs thrive on the beliefe system of the people engaged in them.

You are right to an extent. These beliefs can have a pyschosomatic effect.

Guitarlife: see i don't usually advice people to learn solo instrument right off the bat. you got to get a grip on the rudiments of music first and that is only possible if you try to learn either the piano or the guitar or any other chord instruments. most successful solo instrumentalists like me actually started with a chord instrument. if you start with a solo instrument you will end up being frustrated .imagine trying to enroll for an engineering degree without a "f" grade in maths and physics. these are my thoughts ooooo.

While I understand your point, I disagree with you.

I dont see why I should learn the guitar first when what I really want to play is the sax. I do agree though that people who learn the piano first find it easier to pick up other instruments. Keep in mind also that most people take music as a hobby.
Its rewarding to be able to play an instrument but the learning curve can be a bit steep (depending on the enthusiasm), so each person to his preferred instrument.

mazaje: I am a trained marksman and I can shoot quite well, if the target is stationary. . .I want Ijaw kind to prsent himself with all the best juju he can you and I will shot him, if he does NOT fall then , he will shot me and end my life. . .They people are just crazy. . .Bullet proof juju exist yet the USA is spending billions on body armor technology. . .Bullet proof juju exist, yet the white people were still able to conquer us with their ancient guns. . .If bullet proof juju exist the white man would have been speaking Yoruba abd igbo now. . .

Unfortunately they will tell you that it was the god of the white man that overpowered the native juju

ijawkid: What about many persons who have been shot with ak 47 rifles and no penetration.??......guess you would call that magic ba??.....

ezme: Do you know how much the US spends on teflon vest for its marines every year? Contact your Egbesu priests, I will draft the proposal. We will contact the US government and make real money,We go rich pass Tompolo. If the US no ready we can go to war torn zones where there is a ready market.

In addition, we could enter the James Randi Challenge and win a cool million dollars for proving the supernatural!
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

Now on the issue of bullets not penetrating people being shot, I advice anyone who can, to take a trip to the firing range. Precision with a gun requires a lot of training. Even if you point and think you have your target locked, there is still a powerful kickback that needs to be compensated for. The type of gun will also determine the type of kickback that will occur. This reaction will naturally throw off your aim. Now the natural impression would be that you pointed the gun straight at your target and missed (even though he might be close to you.)
The truth however is that you are not a trained marksman.

Now suppose your target is moving, running perhaps, that amplifies the problem as a moving target is harder to hit. Next thing, someone claims that it is evidence of the supernatural. No its not. Most of these stories are hearsay anyway because most people would not stay to watch a shootout. They will probably be running for their lives and will make up the story from a thousand and one sources.

Again, a trip to the firing range will validate these points Ive made. There you will see the difference between an amateur and a marksman.

Logicboy03: Black man with white hair?


Jesus died at age 33. Where did he get white hair from? Dyeing on the cross?

Good one.

The first question I would ask him is: God why did you create anything at all? Others include: God, if you were really all-knowing and all-powerful, why did it take you billions of years of trial and error just to evolve life on earth, and why should a world created by you be filled with egregious flaws as if it was produced by an apprentice learning on the job?

Why did you single out an insignificant planet (earth) for preferential treatment out of the astronomical number of planets that you allegedly created? Why did you create the earth specially for human beings (according to scripture) and yet filled it with deadly viruses and bacteria to terrorise them? Why did you give humans free will when you, as an omniscient being, already knew they will abuse it?

Why are you indifferent to human suffering although you have the power to bring it to an end? Why are you tribalistic? Why did you choose Israel or any other ethnic nationality as your favourite if you really created all human beings? Why did you permit the totally unnecessary and nauseating rigmarole of Jesus dying on the cross to redeem humankind when you simply could have forgiven people for their sins and allowed the matter to end there?

Must the so-called original sin purportedly committed by Adam and Eve affect every other human being? Does it make sense for a loving father like you to create a very boring place called heaven and a most hideous and terrible place, hell, where people will be tortured forever? Do you derive pleasure in seeing people suffer without end?

Why are you indifferent to the plight of Nigerians? God, why can’t you afflict corrupt Nigerian leaders, both past and present, and their collaborators, with the worst incurable diseases on earth to ensure they did not benefit from their wickedness and reinforce the futility of corrupt enrichment and primitive accumulation?

Why are you silent while pastors and imams are shamelessly deceiving and stealing from gullible Nigerians in your name? Are you happy with the cash-and-carry religiosity dominating Nigeria right now? Why are good people suffering so much whereas the wicked ones are enjoying in this world? If you are perfect, why are people born with serious congenital abnormalities?

On a personal note, why did you make me an albino when you know that I will live in the tropics where human skin needs a lot of melanin for protection from the sun’s harmful ultra violet radiation? To even worsen matters, you chose as my place of origin a backward country dominated by cruel ignoramuses who stigmatise and mistreat albinos just because they look different – how come?

Why wasn’t I born in Iceland or other places where the colour differential between albinos and others is small and where the sun is very mild? Indeed why even create albinos in the first place – is it because you ran out of melanin and just wasn’t patient enough to make more?

God, whatever you are, I have so many questions for you, but the limitations of space cannot allow me to ask all of them in this essay. Meanwhile religious bigots should stop making silly excuses for God, because assuming that indeed God actually created the universe and all it contains, the truth is that, given the serious imperfections in the universe (and in the earth particularly), the universe is certainly not the product of a perfect omnipotent being. That is why I sometimes sympathise with the suffering God of process philosophy postulated by Alfred North Whitehead.

Believers might respond to my questions by quoting the scripture which declares that “the ways of God are not the ways of man”. Well, that is the whole point of this essay: if the ways of the almighty are so different from ours, how can we be sure that he has all the attributes traditionally ascribed to him? How can we really be sure that he even exists?


http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/04/interrogating-god/

I play the guitar primarily. Its a very fulfilling instrument.

stanliwise: Get startin.....
before wrting codes you will need
1. A computer or proparnly a phone.
2. text editor e.g notepad, wordpad, e.t.c
3.A browser
4. file manager

what you will not need.
1. For now i don't care about the type of phone or browser or computer as it can function.

2.you do not need an internet connection

hurry up let get started./.

You are teaching something on the internet but you say an internet connection is not required ?

Please check with your Oga at the top first.

Frosbel and co, perhaps this is the explanation. Taken from your own bible.

Matthew 12: 43-45

When an unclean spirit goes out of a man, he goes through dry places, seeking rest, and finds none. Then he says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ And when he comes, he finds it empty, swept, and put in order.

Then he goes and takes with him seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter and dwell there; and the last state of that man is worse than the first. So shall it also be with this wicked generation.

Might be better to leave the man with his one demon

Yooguyz: @ op, there have been LOTS of miracles where amputees had their short hand or leg grow out by the power of God. I have seen some one had his arm stretched out instantly at the christ embassy healing school.
If you want to see more of such miracles google
"kenneth Hagin leg lengthening"

You mean this ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpz_9_KalFY&list=PLFB10122D114758B1&feature=player_detailpage#t=0s

Its a trick as Derren Brown demonstrates.

sarutobie: A game I played against my sparring opponent online..1.d4-d5 2.Nf3-Nf6 3.e3-e6 4.Nbd2-Bd6 5.Bd3-0 0 6.0 0-c5 7.c3-Nc6 8.dc-Bc5 9.c4-Re8 10.c5(releasing the tension in the middle)-Bc7 11.Bb5(threatening Bc6 and Ne5)-e5 12.Bc6-bc 13.Bd2-e4 14.Nd4-Bh2ch!! 15.Kh2-Ng4ch 16.Kg3(16.Kg1-Qh4 17.Re1-Qh2ch 18.Kf1-Qh1ch 19.Ke2-Qg2 20.Rf1-Nh2 threatening Bg4ch winning)-Qg5 17.f4-ef(e.p) 18.Nf3-Qg6(threatening Ne3ch) 19.Nh4-Qg5 20.Nf3-Qd8!! 21.Qe2-Qc7ch 22.Kh4-Re4! 23.Ba5- Ne3ch 24.g4-Rg4ch 25.Kh5-g6ch 26.Kh6-Nf5chmate..

Bro, use a pgn next time.

frosbel: a reminder, Iya Witch is back, but she failed, power pass power

Kind of like your god; powerless power

I mean, wasnt it on this forum when one of your brothers prayed to your god to strike certain people blind?

https://www.nairaland.com/445085/chalenge-huxleykay-17ogaga4luv-other-atheists#6032335

alexleo: For long we have witnessed a long argument between those of us who are serving God and those who claim that there is NO God. Now lets simplify this matter now and settle it once and for all. I hereby challenge all those atheists and satanist who say that there is no God to do just this one thing if they are 100 percent sure of their stand.
If you are sure that your stand is right then say this- GOD IF YOU EXIST AS THE CHRISTIANS WANT US TO BELIEVE , THEN LET ME BE BLIND FOR THREE CONSECUTIVE DAYS FROM NOW. Make sure you write it here so that all of us can see that you actually said it.

I pray God to respond to you immediately so that you may know that he truly exist. That you may know that the earth is the Lords' and its fulness thereof. That you may know that he reigns all over the earth and that he so love the world that he gave his only beggotten son that whosoever believes in him will not perish but have everlasting life and that you will turn to him and worship and serve him in spirit and in truth. That you may also spread the testimony of his supreme existance here and yonder In Jesus name I pray. AMEN. He is the God of the whole universe, without him was not anything made that was made. He is our creator. He is my life and my salvation. I love God. May God give you this experience that you may serve him and make heaven at last, in Jesus name I pray.

pls note, this is not a joke. lets settle this matter once and for all. All the glory goes to no other person than the Holy Trinity now and forever more. AMEN.
The floor is now open for those of you who are sure in their believe that God does not exist to respond accordingly. Failure to do so will only mean that you truly know that God exists but you dont want to acknowledge it. DECEIVING YOUR OWN SELVES.

When was the last time this was supposed to happen ?
Yup, when the Lord consumed Baal's alter by fire. Lets see . . . 1st Kings 18.

Probably not but if they did, they could probably hire someone to front for him.

Logicboy03: Same here. However, there is no one worth going to church for.....except it is a burial or wedding. Anything outside these two is annoying....so so so annoying.

Burials and weddings wouldnt exhaust the possibilities for me. I am a music lover and I would go to church for quality music.

This is the prank that turned into one of the longest running jokes in history.

The truly elaborate shenanigans seem to exist only in the movies. But that's only because so few pranksters these days possess the perseverance and apparently limitless spare time of one William Edgar Smith, a Georgia Tech student from 1927. Though maybe we shouldn't be surprised by the spare time thing considering he had no Internet, TV, video games or legal alcohol available to him, and only the most primitive forms of pornog.raphy.

What he did have was an extra copy of the school's enrollment form, that had been sent to him by mistake.



Smith signed up a fictitious student by the name of George P. Burdell and enrolled him for all of the same classes Smith was in. Then he proceeded to do this fictional student's course work, in addition to his own. For the entire time he was in school.

To keep up the ruse, Smith would change up both the wording and the handwriting for a second copy of every single assignment, just to make it look legit. On exam day, same thing--in the time allotted to the rest of the students to take the exam once, Smith would do it once for himself and then knock out a second copy for his imaginary friend. Just for the pure hell of it.



Of course, this being a prominent university and full of smart people, it didn't take faculty long to catch on. Well, unless you consider the time it took the fictional student to earn a Bachelor's Degree to be a long time. Because he did just that. It was only upon graduation that the story broke and the university realized they had awarded a degree to the equivalent of Russell Crowe's imaginary roommate in A Beautiful Mind.

That was just the beginning of Burdell's career, however. The fake student stunt immediately became legendary at Georgia Tech, and other students kept turning in work for him until he earned his Master's Degree. Later, jokers in the military would list Burdell as one of the crew members on their bombers, and MAD magazine for years would claim he sat on their Board of Directors. In 2000, some wise guy declared him to be an alternate delegate to the Democratic National Convention.

In 2001, he was in the lead for TIME magazine's Man of the Year before they yanked him from contention and told the pranksters to just 4king give it up already because the joke was 70 years past its comedy expiration date. If only they understood that when a running joke runs long enough, it becomes funny again.

http://www.cracked.com/article_18478_the-7-ballsiest-pranks-you-wont-believe-actually-worked.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Burdell

Enigma: * "A lawyer is a person who argues that white is black or black is white ---- according as he is paid."


Thank God I write this thread as a Christian and not as lawyer, otherwise I have just opened myself up to some accusations and jokes with that definition of "lawyer"!

Heres the full quote

there was a society of men among us, bred up from their youth in the art of proving, by words multiplied for the purpose, that white is black, and black is white, according as they are paid. - Jonathan Swift

omiobo: Did God create us black or Is it as a result of the sins of our forefathers?

Here is another person with your mindset. Man Was Not Created Black; Man Turned Black Due To Punishment And Suffering

https://www.nairaland.com/1176760/man-not-created-black-man

ooman: There is nothing like "hardcore" atheism. Atheism is simply the believe in no God and the use of reasonable explanation for nature. You cant get any deeper in atheism, the deepest you can get is to say that no god exist.

I think you miss JeSoul's point. One of us certainly did.

Reyginus: Looks like somebody wants to take the game to an entirely new level. Jay, do we have a problem? Have we had any before?

Nope. No problem. Note that I used the word "mildly" to qualify it.

I apologize though if you are offended by it.

Peace.

wiegraf: @Op
scorpion kick keeper, etc etc

Etc

Carlos Valderrama (Colombia)