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nannymcphee:
Pls can you give me 3 New Testament scriptures that admonishes us as Christians to Tithe

Paul introduced Christianity to the gentile world, how come he didn't teach them to tithe?

you insist that the church will be spread through tithing! the Catholics don't have tithe as a doctrine, neither is it contained in their dogma/canon law! How come they have spread throughout the world?

If tithing is this important, we ought to have numerous examples in the New Testament

nannymcphee:
based on point 1 & 2, we can safely infer & conclude that any Christian that suffers any woes or is in lack isn't a tither?

Pls wake up!! tithing does not guarantee the above points, there are faithful Christians that have not experienced increase or who have lost their possessions

The Christians in Jos, whose houses & properties were burnt in the religious crises, weren't they tithers?

as for abraham being immuned from further wars, I don't know where you got that from, chapter what, verse what please?

Abraham give from the spoils of war as an act of worship & thanksgiving!! C'est fini

He didn't do it because of any benefits or immunity, it is such promises that the church has used in trapping people into giving of tithes.

nannymcphee:
pls to understand this verse, you have to start from verse 1. This chapter is talking about the typical scenario where Israel will stray from God & the typical suffering/woes that normally comes with it & the blessing that comes later when they repent as evident based in Vs 2-4 of this chapter

2 The LORD hath been sore displeased with your fathers.
3 Therefore say thou unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Turn ye unto me, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will turn unto you, saith the LORD of hosts.
4 Be ye not as your fathers, unto whom the former prophets have cried, saying, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Turn ye now from your evil ways, and from your evil doings: but they did not hear, nor hearken unto me, saith the LORD

here is what some translations has to say about V17



hope you get what God is saying, when they turn back to him, the cities will be filled back with prosperity

notice the later part of Vs17


why is The Lord comforting them & choosing them "again"??

When they turn back to him, they will prosper then he will comfort them & they will become his again.

my leader taught me this, I know you heard vs 17 from your pastor, now go study along these lines & ask your questions

Gombs, I call upon you because you asked this questions before!

fubbyy:
I actually have a means of raising the #5,000 but something happened and it failed which can happen to anybody

seagulsntrawler:
You don't have to curse others for not sharing the same view with you, which I think is unchrist-like. You can buttress your points by referring to the scripture, rather than cursing.



Cheers

brocab:
"The Major reason while some are against tithe is because they are against the spreading the word of God?"
Open up your eyes and ears, no-non tither has asked you for any tithes'{Monies} The lord has made an open door for us all, we don't have to leave the comforts of our homes" we can now travel all over the globe, without the tithing messages being said? Why would anyone want to give a tithe to other preachers? When its not scriptural. Revelation 1-6,1 Peter 2-9. The lord has "ordain" us all, as "priest" of God. So if I gave you a tithe, and you gave someone else a tithe, and everyone gave and received a tithe, What then? So I prefer to give all I have' By spreading the word of God, through the internet to all the nations. And theirs no tithing Monies needed. So I say, keep your 10% {Money} and give it to the poor. Do what "Jesus" would do. And theirs no man blessed more then the other, we are all equal in the sight of the lord.

AlfaSeltzer:
yes

WinsomeX:
I read the bit I could. Also, when you venture on a thread like this to teach others, you should be patient enough to hear what they have to say too in case there is something in it for you to learn too. I do not do hit and run comments. I do thorough discussions. I request that you patiently discuss your position. I can assure you I will not insult you or even try to change your mind. I will simply ask for your understanding. That's all.



My question was if Abraham gave tithes of war spoils and did so once, and as Christians you are urging us to tithe like he did, why don't we also tithe once and tithe of war spoils? Your answer is that Abraham tithed war spoils (my position too); and we are not to fight wars as Christians, since God forbids war. Which is not true.

Warfare is a legitimate work that some of us must do, Christian and none Christians, to protect the sovereignty of our countries from external aggression or internal rebellion like Boko Haram. There is not one scripture that teaches Christians should not wage war.

Now, why did Abraham tithe? Go to Hebrew 7. He tithed so as to demonstrate the greatness of the Melchizedek priesthood. In Hebrew 7, the writer was showing Jewish Christians why Christ was to be worshipped. He enumerated three reason, all taking from the Genesis 14 account

1. Abraham tithe: If Abraham is seen to tithe to Melchi, then Aaron tithed to him too. Therefore the one receiving tithes now, tithed in Abraham. But Melchi is likened to Christ. Melchi who received tithes is greater than Aaron who gave it. Therefore, Christ was greater.
2. Melchizedek blessed Abraham: it takes the greater to bless the lesser.
3. Melchizedek priesthood was immortal: Aaron priesthood was mortal, that of Christ immortal.

That all the scripture was saying and that why the account of Gen 14 is in the bible. I have asked you if you insist that you tithe bc Abraham did, why don't you circumcise like he did on the eight day; why do you not give burnt offerings; why do you not practice polygamy?



Yes indeed. The pagan nation of Babylon gave tithes of war spoils long before the law. An example Abraham was imitating. Jacob promised to tithe but God reenacted that promise in the law in Leviticus 27.

Finally, what you call the tithe today is not the tithe of the bible. In Abraham, the tithe was a tenth of war spoils. By the time of the law, the tithe was of the seed of the ground, fruit of the tree and tenth of the herd, in order words, the tithes where from agric produce. Jesus testified to this when he mentioned that the tithes included mint, cummin and anise, all food spices in Matthew 23:23. A tithe of money or salary is foreign to the whole bible.

Proof of the fact that the tithe changed from war spoils in Abraham time to agric products, was that in Num 31, Israel was not instructed to tithe the war spoils they received.

Look forward to your response.

sirman:
Mr man, 1st off, its not his church, its his friend's church.

2nd, the money is not for building, its for buying instruments, even if it was for building, so what?

Now, you need to learn to think before you talk.
I don't see any reason why he can't bring the money at a later time when its convenient for him.

Now, I doubt u're a christian but if you are, I doubt if you've ever been to church because if you have, you will understand that a promise is somewhat like seed sowing(not necessarily the same but close), no matter how long it takes you but as long as you deliver on your promise then there's no problem.


Recall he went to the church with his friend so its not even his church of worship and NOTHING gives the pastor(or should I say hungry man) the right to disturb him for money!


Does your pastor disturb you whenever you promise to sow a seed? So please, think rationally.

A church is meant for worshipping God & not fundraising. If truly they're genuine in their belief & worship of the lord, other material necessities will follow in due time.

Be wise.

PastorKun:
And since when did Abraham become the standard for christians to follow I though we were meant to follow christ. Is there any injunction in your bible to follow abraham's one off tithe example? If then how did pastor's arrive at weekly/monthly tithes as Abraham known to tithe only once in his entire life.

PastorKun:
I would advice you refrain from referring people to this your pathetic thread. You would only end up exposing how shallow you are based on the poor scripture twisting skills you exhibited on that thread.

plaetton:
If tithe is not a bribe, then what is it, since it is obligatory?
Is it tribute?
Is it slave tax?
Is it a spiritual shakedown, considering that it comes with a threat of a devourer as the enforcer, similar to a mafia extortion racket?

If tithing for important in life or in the spiritual, would Jesus, supposed son god and saviour of mankind, not have emphasized it in his many teachings?
Jesus emphasized kindness, love, charity, sharing with the poor, caring for the sick, not collecting from the very same people you should be giving to.
I can see why charlatans like the op would ignore the teachings of Jesus, usherrer of the new covenant, to focus his greedy and avaricious eyes on Abraham's spoils of war as a basis to live fat on the avails of other.


As I said earlier, when superior argument show up inferior opinion retort to accusation. People who are sincere in knowing the things of God about tithing will always make reference to this post till nairaland go down.
What a shame.

paxonel:
in other words, plan A which was to replenish this earth has been rejected by God simply because man fail and cannot trace his step back?

plaetton:
Yes, I am full of envy and hatred .
I hate fraud.
I hate lazy greedy bums who use religion to rob and exploit others.
I hate when semiliterate blokes publicly hawk st.up.I.duty.

plaetton:
And by the way, What again did Jesus come to die for again?

Please remind me , I have forgotten , in the midst of this tithe spiritual success thingy.

My dilemma now is whether accepting Jesus is less important than paying tithe for my spiritual success.
If Jesus died for my sins and I am saved and redeemed, then why would I need tithe spiritual success? Is that like a special rank in heaven?

Fraudsters would always invent and twist everything just to defraud.

plaetton:
Go and study your writeup?
You must be joking, right?
Big laugh.
In what way did Abraham teach you that tithing was a spiritual success secret?
Since Abraham is now our moral and spiritual champion, I guess we should all start imitating him,.. Like for example
We should marry our sisters.
We should sexually molest our maids.
Get them pregnant and then chase them away with the child.
We should also be ready and willing to sacrifice our children whenever the skydaddy whispers to us.
Yeah, if we are going to do as Abraham, why stop at the ambiguous and nebulous issue of tithe, let's do everything as Abraham would have done.

PastorKun:
I have never said tithing is evil, what is evil is pastors twisting God's word to preach monetary tithing from income and mis applying it to christians whom God never directed the tithe doctrine to.

plaetton:
The church of your god, you said?
So your god created the universe so that he can collect tithe money from Nigerians?

WinsomeX:
Sorry bros, no offense. Here are my questions again. Thanks.

plaetton:
Why?
You love to collect, but you feel no obligation for accountability?

He he.
Now we know why every lazy bum, every thief in Nigeria wants to be a pastor.

I guess that is the success secrets of Bilk Gates and Dangote?

Well, a nation of sheep must inevitably attract an army of foxes, wolves , hyaenas and vultures.

plaetton:
There you go with your success secrete 419.
Hardworking pays well for everyone.

I guess in your haste to hawk your success secret 419, you forgot that Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and Aliko Dangote were all from rich and very previledged backgrounds that no doubts gave them opportunities that millions of people in Nigeria, and billions more on earth, will never have.

Secondly, you also forgot that neither of these men subscribe to your Abrahamic tithe=success 419.

plaetton:
The question, the very simple for those advocates of tithe paying is this:

What exactly should tithe money or proceeds be used for?
For me, this is all that matters.

If members feel obliged to pay tithe to Church fund from which less fortunate members would benefit, then there shouldn't be much ado about tithing.
But when tithe is seen as property of pastor and his family to live large at the expense of his members, then it becomes immoral and a form of obtaining by false pretence.

Honest Christians should debate what social services tithe money should be used for on behalf of the members.

A church is a community. It can never be fair or moral for the contributions of a community be for the benefit of one or a few.

PastorKun:
It's now obvious who is adding to scripture as the bible never said God commanded Abraham to tithe. If you must know tithing was a part of the customs of babylonia where Abraham came from. He was merely practising a custom of his people. If you are in doubt Google "babylonian tithe"

plaetton:
Are you Abraham?
Was Abraham your ancestor?

WinsomeX:
^^^ pls answer the questions directed at you in the earlier posts. We can start from there. Good write up by the way.

PastorKun:
Stop deceiving people here, God does not need your tithe and God can grow his church without your likes twisting his word to extort money from believers.

vooks:
And just to add,
Exactly what is he telling the pastor when he calls? Am on it, I will pay tomorrow by noon.......?
This is a dishonest negro

Goshen360:
Where was Abraham commanded to pay tithes?

How did Abraham owe Melchizedek tithes?

Was it Abraham properties or income as of people of today that he paid tithes from?