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What else was he going to say?
Or is he expected to say anything different?

Kenneth4u205:
Foolish man . Nigeria concrete is different from abroad concrete. Your dangote cement will only last 1 year

So what is the difference?

Hope you realise that concrete has been in use for hundreds of years right?

FreakyNasty642:
Thanks for the response. I already did extensive search via gov.uk before asking but just wanted 2nd, 3rd opinions on someone who's done it b4 to be sure. 👍

Just to add, if something is stated clearly on the gov.uk site, then that's the dependable version. Asking multiple people would mean everyone adding their personal nuance which results in confusion.

ferfer:
Yes, they are definitely right-leaning - not a fan and will probably never be one.

Their solution for improving the fortunes of the African-American (AA) community sound simple - stay married and get a job. But a closer look reveals they may actually have a point as shown by the screen shot below. The married AA family is closest in terms of earning to the 'folks at the top of the pyramid'.

These are labor earning stats so there is sufficient reason to believe they are valid. The limitations of this data include how old it is (2016) and generalizability/extent to which it can be applied to other A communities.

Interesting.

https://www.stlouisfed.org/publications/regional-economist/second-quarter-2019/earnings-gap-marital-status-race-gender

It doesn't surprise. One of their points was that once one accounts for married families and college education, earning between whites and AAs equalise.

A more traditional approach to raising a family should suit them better. It's also a strong factor in many relatively successful ethnic communities

Kenn55:
Besides, while I understand the point he is trying to make which is reasonable, he is making it in a wrong way cos the Indians are not our allies, don't give a damn about blacks and are not united themselves so i don't see any reason to bring your own people tribal fault lines just to defend them....

What I dont understand is why we are even seeking 'allies' among them hence getting disappointed when we dont think they are returning our favours. Many Nigerians would even (unwisely) say they avoid fellow Nigerians in the diaspora - then why cozy up to Indians? I try to approach every human with similar suspicion.

I've let the matter be as the point has been made and it was deteriorating into the proverbial fight with a ....

RodgersAkpafu:
NIUK is filled....

I dont even know what group you are referring to. Perhaps your unsavoury words are cos you didn't find room to fertilse hate there
I am talking about the Nigerians in UK thread on Nairaland. Do come and 'warn' us about them - afterall there are over 1.8 million folks of Indian heritage in the UK.

Is this what would power the whole of Ogun?
30MW.
Some reporters are disgusting

What rubbish reporting!
Sometimes it seems some media house reporters are on the payroll of foreign powers.

Where does it state they are probing the recipients of funds? The article only states 'mechanisms were in place'
Question is: where did those funds end up - which is what they are yet to answer

Atk1nson:
Who would have thought an immigrants with a knack for culture wars was only demarketing herself.

Thankfully she indentifies as a "strongly integrated british" citizen.

If I ever want to vote a hard right, I will simply vote reform. Why would people vote a reform-wannabe, when reform is there.

Hehe...

The issue here is why would the average right-leaning Brit vote for Kemi over Nigel?

We already know the current Labour government would have a stronger 'grasp' on migration than Boris et al had. So she can't really campaign on cutting migration given that Labour would be quick to remind her of their last result. Starmer also appears calculated and is unlikely to have too many slip-ups (usual caveats).

She's tried to build trust among traditional Tory voters by giving vibes of 'I'm not like these other migrants' which as expected, hasn't stuck. Doesn't help that her way of reminding folks of her Nigerian roots has been by demarketing the nation (and herself in reverse).
Her anchor baby situation would always be in the news especially with Trump seeking to end birthright citizenship. Nigel would soon be quick to remind her that her much castigated carers would contribute far more to the British society by the time they are citizens than many anchor freeloaders like her did.

I wish her the best.

justwise:
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Really jedisco? Is this really who you are? I never knew that you are a bigot, so why do we come down gun blazing on the issue of racism in the UK if this is your views about the Igbos?

To say that i'm shocked reading this from you is an understatement, i'm so disappointed in you and you have to be shamed of the character you displayed here.

I have zero respect for anybody that expresses such view about another tribe

Hehe.. continue reading and see the trend of my post before you jump into conclusions. Sometimes, the best way to explain to explain racial discrimination is by giving someone a mirror

All those were words I have read and heard stated to me as an Igbo person. Being Igbo and having a good track record of fighting hate on NL, I was willing to expouse things that way. Oddly, I didn't even know of RodgersAkpafu's ethnicity when I posted that. All I knew is that he would claim to shy away from local tribalism now he's abroad while still using thesame tribalistic mindset to approach others. It would have been 'enlightening' to see him argue against tribalism while looking for excuses to promote hate against others. The only downside is that conversation forced me to mention my ethnicity which is something I shied away from doing in all these years

I am 100% against and triggered by hate and racial discrimination whether its Indians, Pakistanis, SA e.t.c.

In thesame way I did not tolerate Igbophobia on when I lived in Nigeria or on NL - I would not tolerate senseless hate against Indians because its a different group involved.

RodgersAkpafu:
Wetin concern pajeet matter and "how do I make myself better"?

Again, aside hating others it does not surprise that you are unable to string a coherent entence on how you as a peron or we as a community can improve ourselves. Thats always my litmus test for people like you. You see why I said you think like an almajiri?

You are a Nigerian in the UK but too cowardly to post or 'spread your warnings' on the NIUK thread as you know you'd be put in place by fellow Nigerians who are not bottom feeders. Rather, it's on the Canadian thread you think you've found like minds you can think low with.


Nwanne, my advise to you is simple, if you do not get on your feet, work hard and improve yourself, you would continue to languish at the bottom of the food chain. Today, you'd blame Indians for not geting work as a security guard, tomorrow, you'd blame them for waiting for charity food at a soup kitchen.
BTW, the speed of your responses make me wonder how much time you spend online. Why not use some of that time to improve yourself?

ferfer:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIiyIEyUxu8&ab_channel=HooverInstitution


What is your take on the opinions expressed in this video?

Nice... though it is right leaning and would have wanted contrasting opinions included (in a non-adversorial) manner, I love the clear message. They are obviously introspective and focused on making their community better. I love how the focus of the conversation tilted towards that from about 22 mins. No blame games- just improve.

Interesting fact is how an increasing proprietary of frican Americans have voted Trump ober the years. From 8 to 12 to 20%. Interesting

RodgersAkpafu:
As per your first paragraph, the answer to the "we" was very simple: It's we Igbo ppl.
We have REJECTED second class citizen status in Nigeria. If that's how others feel about us, its their fundamental human right to feel that way lol.
Yotuba people will say "ko kan aye"
I don't feel hurt in anyways for the perception some low life almajiri beggar has of my ethnic group, he should worry about getting fed first lol
Or the agbero somewhere in Lagos drinking "paraga" with two half witted baby mothers and destitute kids. He should check his kidneys

So you're saying the fact you reject a stereotype is what matters and you're not worried about what someone else thinks? Does this bar only apply to certain groups?


You've spent the last 10 pages being obsessed with and 'warning' us about Indians even blaming them for being unable to secure a job as a security guard. You were them jubilating in the hope that Trump would target them to make you and your overlords on Twitter happy. I had to explain how the world works. What you fail to understand is that your thinking process is same as that almajiri e.tc who has been told to blame Igbos for all his problems believing that by killing them, some good would come to him. Soon enough, you'd blame them for not being able to maintain a functioning manhood.

I've seen people like you plenty and know how they think. Your double concorted replies reminds me of one particular ahiboilandgas ( https://www.nairaland.com/ahiboilandgas/posts ) and his closet supporter emmanuelwumi on the Treasury bills thread. Both seemed a bit knowledgeable but Ahib was as obsessed with his Igbophobia as you are with hating Indians. Read though his posts and replace 'Igbo' with 'India' and I'm sure you'd have found a best friend. I tried in multiple ways to explain to him that Igbos were not the source of his problems but as expected with hate-filled souls like you, he was having none of that. I later chased him off nairaland as hate got the better of him.


All said, the question that matters is simple

1. How do you plan on making yourself better?

2. As an aside, are you still hoping Trump helps you fight Indians?

Maria96:
https://nationalpost.com/news/ontario-trucker-cocaine-2
Another one.

Are you posting this as a 'gotcha' moment?

The quality of some discussions here are appalling. It's no wonder you see Indians in your dream. Your focus should be on how to improve yourself. Ask yourself- how do I improve my fortune?

Whether today or 20 yrs in the future, there would be rouge truck drivers. That Indians are plentiful in the sector stands to mean a significant percentage of rouge drivers would be of Indian heritage- its common sense.
The question becomes are they overrepresented? And irrespective of whether they are overrepresented or not, the most important thing is how is crime reduced in the sector and other sectors without resulting to racial profiling

jedisco:
I have heard on Nairaland and Twitter how they are the problem with Nigeria- how they killed 'good' Nigerian leaders in a coup, how they only sell fake goods, how they only do drugs, how they only engage in pr0stitvtion, how landlords don't want to rent to them, how 'shinedu' should never be allowed to aspire for any political position outside the East, how they are the ones supplying bokoharam drugs and guns, how they only cheat in exams, how the north got tired of them resulting in many riots over time where thousands of them were killed, how anyone of them who is rich is usually engaged in fraud, how any of them should never be allowed to be the Nigerian president, how violence should be meted out to any who dares come out to vote outside their region. Infact some have advocated or gone on to kill when a wanted political candidate didn't win. Even the wife if the current president had something negative to say about them

Igbos have been receiving it heavily on Twitter - if you have not experienced their attitude, then its either you are one of them or have not met them.

This was my initial post. Oddly most of these are common statements I've heard in person. The worst was meeting a well-schooled engineer and soon in went on a rant on how an igbo person can never be Nigerias president

Living in northern Nigeria, I witnessed lots of ethnic killings and spent ages trying to convince some bigoted fellows that the Igbo trader, doctor, corper e.tc was not the cause of their misfortune. Remember working in the north during the 2015 elections and had colleagues make veiled threats at me cos I said PMB might not be the majic bullet we all need. Many, even a sitting governor blamed Igbos for bokoharam believing they were the cause of all their problems. It was an obsession. It was impossible to convinve a child beggar that if all Igbo people left the north, he'd be worse off. Sadly I have witnessed thesame myopic thinking in every part of Nigeria.

On a Nigerians in Canada group, we've spent more than 10 pages arguing about Indians- It's thesame obsession I saw in Nigeria. I can only wonder what a neutral stumbling on this page would think of us. But just like the northern street beggar, some could go on blaming Indians for everything, but its worth looking in the mirror and remembering that they are not the cause of our problem and if we don't put in the work, we'd continue to scrape the bottom. Not surprising that when those doing the blaming are asked how we as a group improve our fortunes, they can't string a coherent response.

And for those wondering, I specifically highlighted rampant bigoted views about Igbos because I am Igbo

RodgersAkpafu:
Nigeria does not have an "Igbo problem"
What Nigeria has is some deluded people who psychologically and delusionally think that somehow igbos designation in Nigeria is "second class citizen" status, a status we SOUNDLY REJECT in Nigeria

They should sha stop doing "pajeet" things

Hehe. I wonder who the 'we' are. This is easy for you to say as you come from the East- millions of Nigerians over decades and till today disagree with you which has led to severe bloodshed.
Are they all wrong? Surely, if most other ethnicities thinks they are a problem, then they must be an issue with them.

Many would say, we have some good Igbos but its the 'nyamuris' among them that are the problem. Which one are you?

RodgersAkpafu:
Alright
Now that you are on the topic
Let's "go there"

First of all, I am an Igbo person, but that will not demagnetise my objectivity on the subject matter
...
It's like a yoruba person getting offended when people say SOME yoruba people can be filthy, lazy and spendthrift, or a northerner offended when people say that the north is the terrorist producers in nigeria....
I have dated yoruba women who were not dirty

The question is simple - are Igbos i.e nyamuri's not the problem with Nigeria?
Millions of them have been killed over decades because some feel they refused to learn, yet they keep coming back. Do more need to die?
How does Nigeria deal with the 'Igbo problem'?


I see the bolded- classic. Its quite clear where your stock comes from.
How about- 'though some are decent, the average black people is not more than a monkey however I am not racist because I have black friends'

Samuelobiora19:
Hello Community,
Please, is there anyone here that has a robust knowledge of how the TRUCKING BUSINESS in Canada is like..?? I am thinking of taking a chance on entrepreneurship here, though I am working a great job here in Canada.. I want an early exit from corporate Canada and would want to own a business.

Owning a business is one of the easier paths to financial independence as there are many perks to it. My only issue is that is sounds like you're looking to own a business in a sector you don't know much about. There's always a first step though. I'd say the initial step should be gaining more practical knowledge in that sector- that way, you know where the need is and how to run it efficiently
Alternatively, you could look at a business not far removed from what you are currently doing- that way, you already the knowledge advantage.

ednut1:
you can’t compete with the Indians o 😩. They have achieved economics of scale in the business. (Access to cheap staff from their communities, access to contracts, access to cheap mechanics in their communities) etc
Unless you want to drive the truck yourself as an owner operator.

He can always start from somewhere just as others with a good network effect.
There is virtually no profitable business sector that does not have entrenched interests. In the corporate world, it may even be worse as many of these interests have become institutionalised.

ferfer:
Some POVs. ....

2) The hot mic comments (I do not even believe it was a true hot mic. JT is no clown but he's crafty - remember he and Macron are the only leader of a G7 nation that survived COVID. These embers are dying but they can burn) by Trudeau yesterday means the orange-haired one's motive matches his comments. But his action is having the opposite effect, Canadians are not rolling out the red carpet to welcome 'America'. Now Canadians are unified (?) against his 51st state comments.

Interesting times.... Trump is certainly not helping the fortunes of the conservatives in Canada. Time would tell how this translates to votes especially if Trump keeps pushing

RodgersAkpafu:
It's actually interesting

What is actually interesting? Are you saying that all those who have shared their experience with them are wrong?

Are you trying to say you have not experienced that with them?

I have seen many people who'd say they'd never do anything with Igbos. Even Chinua Achebe said they can be quite haughty, proud and thoughtless (what others might call lack of emotional intelligence).


How are they not the problem with Nigeria?

RodgersAkpafu:
Interesting

What's interesting about my post? Haven't you seen those or NL or X or are they new to you?

Viruses:
Will you refer to people that got Canadian PR from Nigeria and eventually relocated as expatriates or migrants?

If you still believe those words are the same no problem.

Both. I am yet to see any definitive difference between both words (I am not talking about individual bias here) . If you have any, please share.

Zahra29:
Again I'm keeping it simple- how did you/family stumble upon a British passport?

- Make it complicated if you like...

Expansive writeup. So in summary, were your parents windrush arrivals or was it an anchor baby situation or some other pathway?

Yes, I've read of the windrush crew- they were great builders some believe. Infact they built most of modern Britain I gather.

Lolli2pop:
Heyyy investment and financial gurus.

Please i would like to start organising my finances.

After bills i have like about 600 pounds to save. Instead of just putting the 600 in my llyods savings account to sit there (1.15% yearly interest) and do nothing i think its best to get my money to work.

After my research i realised rhe 3 safest thing to do will be to split yhe money into a life time investment ISA (to be ablt to buy a property in the future), put some in a cash isa and then a little bit into stocks and shares ISA.

Please gurus what are your thoughts on this?? Does anyone have any tips, advifes or even suggestions of great platforms i can use for any of the 3 isa areas i mentioned.

I'm not a guru

Personally, I'd start by envisioning how much I'm likely or target to save over the course of the year. Then secondly, how soon would I be looking to buy a house- if its above 3 yrs (some say 5), I'd rather go with S&S Lisa as the returns are likely to be better. Except you have big pockets, when buying a house, you're likely to empty most of your savings eitherway

600x 12 = 7.2k.
I'd first fill my LISA - S&S preferably.
The rest would be a split of S&S ISA and some cash for as emergeny funds. I tend to keep the minimal cash I need- but thats just me

Viruses:
I believe if you travel to a new country to settle down permanently, you are an immigrant. Whether you eventually settle down or move about for various reasons is a different issue.

Except you're inferring that those on tier 2 for instance are expatriates and will only become immigrants after ILR.

The line of thought here is clear- what's the difference between an expat and a migrant? It's not really about what you believe- these are distinct words with clear meaning.

Migrant
Immigrant
Emigrant
Expatriate

Migrant= expat. Both immigrants and emigrants fall under the umbrella term of migrant. Regarding duration, it's also catered to. There is a reason why 'temporary migrant' is a commonly used phrase to qualify migrants who are not moving permanently.

RodgersAkpafu:
Let's hear from you
Cite instances of HOW they are the prob with Nigeria.
Let's check notes

I have heard on Nairaland and Twitter how they are the problem with Nigeria- how they killed 'good' Nigerian leaders in a coup, how they only sell fake goods, how they only do drugs, how they only engage in pr0stitvtion, how landlords don't want to rent to them, how 'shinedu' should never be allowed to aspire for any political position outside the East, how they are the ones supplying bokoharam drugs and guns, how they only cheat in exams, how the north got tired of them resulting in many riots over time where thousands of them were killed, how anyone of them who is rich is usually engaged in fraud, how any of them should never be allowed to be the Nigerian president, how violence should be meted out to any who dares come out to vote outside their region. Infact some have advocated or gone on to kill when a wanted political candidate didn't win. Even the wife if the current president had something negative to say about them

Igbos have been receiving it heavily on Twitter - if you have not experienced their attitude, then its either you are one of them or have not met them.

orjohn24:
Calling people out for bad behavior is not hatred. You are simply acting unwisely. Many Canadians are already calling them out, and they are resorting to the same weak defense of hiding behind accusations of racism—just like you are doing now. Sorry, but your defense is weak!

So how is nairaland the best place to call the out?
Why not walk up to the next Indian you see and call him or her out or carry a placard calling them names?
If you continue being preoccupied with them rather than improving ourselves or community, how do you expect to rise?

deept:
Profiling in reality is what happens. Instead of getting angry at the 'profilers', as a black man, I would rather educate and encourage our set to do better because it is the same brush that we will all be painted with. If you don't give anybody any weapon to to use against you, there would be nothing to profile against

That it happens in certain areas (and is actively fought against) is not an excuse to perpetuate that or speak in its favour. Afterall, same could have been said if homophobia, apartheid e.t.c
I remember speaking quite strongly about the recurrent theme of posting any crime commited by a Nigerian here under the guise of 'warning us' to do better. Thankfully, it died down. We dont need it. There are over 200million Nigerians and over 1billion black folks. The activity of a random black person somewhere does not weigh on my psyche is thesame way I do not except every white person to be remourseful or 'warning themselves' beacause of crime commited by random whites.

Lastly, this appears isolated. Is there any evidence to show that this crime is a systemic issue and if so, is there an overrepresentation of Nigerians? If the answer to both is yes, my concern would first be how to guard against profiling and then how to address underlying drivers in a decent manner.

deept:
Correct. Unfortunately, this is real life.

Goodenoch, is this discrimination against the Ghanians?
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DFC3Il8scMf/?igsh=ZG9sMm9wODhwNDEx

No disrespect to anybody, but I just want to understand your argument.

When data shows that there is a particular set/group of people are disproportionately committing a particular offence, to curb it, isn't it prudent to put that particular set under greater scrutiny to reduce the problem?

I don't get. Are you really arguing in favour of profiling? That some parts of a system are still that way is well different from speaking in its favour.

Not to long ago it was revealed the home office it was revealed the home office had same approach and many African nationals were on the reveiving end of vague requirements inappropriate visa refusals. Unsurprisingly, they were quick to abandon this following the expose. It wasn't difficult to see how this self-reinforcing system became increasingly unfair.

With profiling first you have the issue of reinforcing a negative spiral with resultant far-reaching effects. Secondly, it creates a gaping blindspot which is almost always taken advantage of.

Recently, whether its black lives or end-SARS riots or police brutality, or going father back and you have senseless killings, apartheid e.t.c. Many recent genocides always started on that narrative until they blew out of proportion. As a black person, we have enough experience of certain things to know what to oppose.

Grfront:
Hello everyone. I have few questions to ask.

Have you looked at the school fee for international undergrad programmes in the UK?
Except you have deep pockets or are awarded a scholarship, its an uphill task. Also following that pathway to migrate is full of uncertainties as it's difficult to say what the economic/political situation wiuld be in 5yrs.

It's my understanding that many parts of IT are skill-based though you need a degree to help with certain things incl migration.

Have you considered enrolling for a computer/IT- based degree locally? During your programme, you could upskill + do jobs on the side. By the time you're done, you should be past 30 with good experience under your belt and exempt from NYSC. You may decide to remain in 9ja and benefit from opportunities or look at a masters route to migrate which is more predictable in an ever-changing world. Your might even get a remote or international offer right from 9ja if you have the relevant experience.

Zahra29:
...

I'm all of the following: anchor baby, Windrush descendant, expatriate farm worker, international student, Nigerian immigrant, Yardie...
- pick whichever you fancy.

Stop dillydallying
You don't sound very proud of your Caribbean heritage. For me (and most of us), our stories are quite inscribed on our posts here through the years- it's our journey afterall.
Again I'm keeping it simple- how did you/family stumble upon a British passport?


P.s. if you are asking whether I consider myself migrant or expat. From previous responses, the answer should be obvious. I consider both words synonymous hence I'm both as most here are.

Viruses:
Expatriate is different from migrant, they are not even synonymic so it's pointless trying to blur one into the other. They are as different as temporary and permanent

I'm yet to see a consistent difference between the two. Length of residence does not qualify in any definitive manner. Many 'expats' relocate longterm (some to retire) and many 'migrants' move temporarily.


This is a clear example of how the synonymous words can be used to drive different narratives - something the british media is very good at. Lastly, also realise that this has been discussed extensively in many ways going back decades. Its nothing new- reason why I was surprised when I saw the first hole being dug.