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njambert:I absolutely agree migration plays a role in housing, but where we differ is the comparative significance of this role. Migration helps to maintain the vibrancy of a market that contributes upto 40% of national GDP. Even if you feel that number is too high, you don't want a rapid decline and with any vibrant market, you'd have periods of boom and bust. Those living in canada and already paying rents should be encouraged to get on the ladder. It's how they'd build wealth. There are several ways the government can tame the market which they could use when it gets overheated - yearly ground rent, much higher tax for foreign buyers e.t.c. But again, you don't want excessive government interference in a free market. Anything done has to be without an emotional mindset as many provinces rely on capital gains tax they get on sales e.t.c This is not considering the significant rise in GDP constructing 1 million homes would bring. Also, foreigners bringing in capital from their country is a good thing - reason why many countries have been very careful in placing a ban on foreign ownership. I still take exception to using the word importing when describing people who followed a perfectly legitimate means offered by the Canadian government to migrate. There would always be bag eggs. That does not mean you throw the baby away with the bath water. Those folks will still integrate or their kids would and bring a good cultural mix. Careful when referencing the UK (or EU) based on media narratives- there is a reason why all of a sudden there's an uproar for an event that happened over a decade ago. The Conservative party who are asking for a new enquiry didn't do anything about the last enquiry on same issue that lasted 7 years and was concluded while they were in power. I have seen this before - its what led to Brexit. Even the extra health levy (in addition to the regular income tax) all working non-settled migrants pay came about when there was an overblown narrative of a few visitors using the NHS. The government fed on this to introduce a surcharge on immigrating workers (not those visiting). On the rape issue, it'd interest you to know that there were similar horrific incidents on same scale perpetrated by mainly white men which hardly saw any significant media attention. The scapegoating of migrants is not a new thing - before BAMEs and Europeans, it was the Irish being blamed - see attached. Before the Irish, it was the Jews. Birth rates are unlikely to rise anytime soon. Its a fact of modern soceital development. The richer and more educated, the less kids are born- even in Africa, same trend is taking shape. Virtually no developed country has been able to reverse this despite huge initiatives some have taken. As birthrates are dropping across the developed world, the circa 400k folks Canada aims to invite this year via the EE pathway would not be filled from the anglosphere. Same also with the H1B. All the talk of merit = more Indians. Simply because they have the numbers and network effect. Thanks for remaining civil
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Stumbled upon this. BTL dey enter my eye ooo. Anyone here on that pathway? Can people confirm if the stated yeild matches what they have in their local area. @Missjekyll and other socialists, this is not for you
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maternal:Interesting and not surprising insight for someone in the know. Many complex issues have more nuanced facets but of course telling voters 'we'd just do x' is easy to understand and help get votes. Too much traffic? We'd just end migration. In Nigeria, the populace were told, theres no subsidy etc. Life has taught me when all the populace think the solution to something is so easy, they're manytimes on the wrong path or not considered all the repercussions. It's usually very easy to find a low hanging fruit to blame. For example, migration has been one that worked for centuries. Even Nigeria tried it with Ghana must go. We all know how we fared afterwards. Recently, the UK tried it with Brexit and lesssons are still being delivered. Let's see how Trump and the incoming Canadian government fare. All reminds me of a discussion I stumbled upon recently regarding how UK migrants were making the NHS struggle
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RodgersAkpafu:The kind of hate and words used towards Indians here is worrying. Indian migrants have been by far a significant net contributor to most western economies. In the UK, they're underrepresented in most crimes, overrepresented in educational attainment (asp in STEM), also in financial attainment e.t.c. loads of healthcare workers who have supported the NHS for decades are Indians. Infact, an Indian-owned company has come to the aid of the UK building a batttery plant after the likes of Musk overlooked UKs pleas to build a factory As far as bulk modern migration goes, you'd struggle to get a much better group than them. Its a reason why despite all the shenanigans, many western nations still return to invite more |
njambert:1. I'm not ignoring migration growth as a potential factor in the housing market. I'm saying it's not the only or major cause. Also, that the rise in house prices (though now too fast) is a planned and wanted outcome of many policies and lastly, the increased demand brought by migration can manytimes be a good thing. 2. I wonder why you are keen to differentiate population growth through migration and that occurring via birth. Yes, they may be subtle differences but ultimately it results in increased numbers. On economic terms, that through migration is much cheaper than and can be better tailored. The average 25yo in the Brit has already cost the government £500k from birth. Not an insignificant number would go on never be net contributors and would go on to live off the government for life. So an average 25 yo needed migrant in the UK is like handing the government a £500 cheque. This is before even considering other things. 3. 'DEI' is seen in multiple facets of the everyday life. Its how balance is maintained. Its a control mechanism that tends to address the positive feedback loop that exists in life i.e the rule that he who has is by virtue if having likely to have even more. Call it compound interest e..t.c. When done with taxation, its called 'progressive' taxation. (I.e someone earning more would pay higher percentage of their pay as tax than a lower earner). Higher earners contribute more to lift all boats. When done with healthcare, its called universal healthcare and equity. I can go on. It may surprise you to know the greatest determinant of wealth is not hardwork or intelligence. 4. I take objection to use the word 'importing' when referring to human migration moreso that of a legal kind. These are people which the government made a pathway for them to arrive here. They are not goods in a container. 5. On H1B, I dont know if you've been following the news but it'd interest you to know that Elon and Vivek are already vocally pushing for its restructuring which to them means increase in numbers and more emphasis on merit. So far, Trump does not seem opposed. To summarise, whether DEI or migration, there are pros and cons to most things and finding the right balance is important. It's done me well in life not to stress over things I can't change. Like them or hate them, those Indians and their kids especially would form the pillar of the Canadian society tomorrow. I'd always take exception to is hiding behing migration to spread hate
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lavida001:Racial stereotypes are almost always wrong. First, regarding the state of India, it's worth remembering that civilisations come and go. Before the current European period, several empires and civilisations have been top of the ladder at different times in human history. India has a rich history and suffered greatly as western nations extracted resources - I dont see what 'manipulation' surpasses that. China, Indonesia, Singapore, UAE e.t.c has shown that building a modern economy is not an inate ability of a certain race. The current rise of China has not been seen in human history. Furthermore, as the indian economy is rapidly on the rise, if they maintain current progress, they'd be at the top in no time. That you push the narrative that Indians are innately bad surprises me. I've done well for myself in the UK and respect high performers. I have seen extremely bright Indians who worked their way to the top through grit. They being overrepresented in higher earning roles is because they worked doubly hard and built a network. They endured the racism, put in the hardwork that others didn't and rose to the top. There are mediocre ones and bad eggs but thats the case with every race. Let me ask, what has been your personal experience with Indians |
Zahra29:While I agree with the first paragraph, the term '3rd world' is today largely a derogatory term which is why its worrying when I see those who should know better using it. The meaning of words and phrases do change and It's use today is far removed from its original meaning. I can't remember seeing that word used in a non-derogatory fashion. Terms like developing world are more sensible The term Third World arose during the Cold War to define countries that remained non-aligned with either NATO or the Warsaw Pact. The United States, Canada, Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, Western European countries and other allies represented the "First World", while the Soviet Union, China, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam, and their allies represented the "Second World". This terminology provided a way of broadly categorizing the nations of the Earth into three groups based on political divisions. ..... Since 1990 the term "Third World" evolved to denote countries with less economic development. The term "Third World" is increasingly perceived to be politically incorrect or outdated, as it is a historical term that isn't as relevant in modern day geopolitics. Around the early 1960s, the term "underdeveloped countries" was frequently used to refer to roughly the same group of countries. This term was in turn replaced by 'developing' and 'less-developed' countries, as politicians found that the earlier term contributed to stereotypes or disrespect of this group of countries. |
I think the effect of Elon buying twitter would not just be down to what happens on X but more importantly how that filters into other social media platforms and ultimately, the wider narrative. Rage which X feeds on is a prime emotion that when tapped into drives up social media engagement. Even Trump that was against Tiktok calling it 'China' all this while has changed his tune and is opposed to a ban after seeing its effect on the last elections. “So we built a lot of complex systems to moderate content, but the problem with complex systems is they make mistakes, even if they accidentally censor just 1% of posts, that’s millions of people, and we’ve reached a point where it’s just too many mistakes and too much censorship. The recent elections also feel like a cultural tipping point towards, once again, prioritising speech.”
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Goke7:Hehe.. popcorn mood. Its the payer vs the player finally. Elon is a nasty piece of work just look at his response to Justin Trudeau after Trump had been disrespectfully goading Canada. Imagine if it was a Chinese business man saying such. BTW, some white South Africans in the West tend to give that bigoted vibe. Wether its the one who fired on the UK riots or Elon sef. Only got to know Elons dad impregnated his half-daughter. I watched a clip of him speaking about their upbringing and the roundabout on how he impregnated his daughter. The way he goes about it is so nauseating. Imagine if it was a Pakistani rich man who had clamoured for an extremist PM saying same. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aIDIN7Of0U
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Imagine what western media would say if this was an African nation |
Just imagine I wonder if France has a hand in this. Perhaps to teach certain countries a lesson. Eitherway, Chad has to build theur security infrastructure
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Before we ignorantly keep spreading unconfirmed stuff as facts, we should always ask where they got their data from. This is the least anyone should do. Sources should be corschecked for how dependable they are and their method of sourcing data. In todays world, anyone even an AI bot can run a twitter page sharing unconfirmed stuff as facts. Does not help that the NBS is not up to scratch with publishing dependable stats. P.S. This has nothing to do with any of the states listed there |
Good. Worth giving African coaches a chance. Its not like we've fared better under European coaches. It many times worying to see an AFC final with no African coach on the bench of top teams. We have great coaches and can only get better by supporting them. |
Do we have data protection laws at all? What are the regulatory agencies doing about this? NCC, CBN e.t.c This loan app uses a centralised bank account. Why cant that be frozen and its handlers arrested and brought to justice? Not excusing the supposed defaulters but many countries have had a credit system for decades. Even houses are bought on a mortgage (credit) and people do default but we never see such happen. We have a credit bureau agency and the loan app should have done their due diligence before handing our cash. If recipients default, there are civil ways of handling it without committing a crime |
tensazangetsu20:Hehe... wawulence everywhere. i.e 'if I suffered, you must suffer thesame too'. I wonder how true this is. |
Goke7:Hehe. It's called see-finish. He thought he was about to serve Kier Starmer breakfast but now he's been advised to ho wash plates at the big mans house. I wonder what he'd do if Elon offers £100m at this stage - he'd say master, I know you were pulling my legs. ![]() It's insulting finally. Reform is Nigel's personal business which is registered as a company with him being the main shareholder. Its like saying Elon or Trump are not good enough to oversee the vision of Space-X or Truth Social respectively. With all this, the humility in Nigels response is telling. Imagine his response if it was Kemi that said same thing.
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Of course, businesses would want lower taxes so they can have higher profits much of which goes to highly placed staff and shareholders. The government also needs the tax revenue to meet the many needs of the populace- education, health and infrastructure. The numbers and timeframe proposed by the government is decent. Businesses need to put in their fare share to support the economy they operate in. That way, everyone wins |
Nice one Mr Governor. People should be held responsible for their actions. Nigerians cannot keep dying with no repercussions. Anambra and FCT should follow suit. |
justwise:Dont know much about him. Looked him up and his narrative is typical - they know their demography. I see his shenanigans helped drive the Brexit narrative. I'm sure he's not as happy with the much liked post-Brexit result sheet.
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Goke7:Hehe.. I never watch that one oo.. I'd leave it under tge free speech narrative. Tommy Robinson doesn't have the right background. He might get overt support from rioters and inward support from others but the average British middle-upper class (e.g Rees Mogg) is not lining up behind him. Nigel Farage appeals more to that group- he has the oratory, education and carriage. Even most of Robinsons protests tend to be in deprived regions. |
maternal:I absolutely agree with you. These things come in ebbs and flows- and its important to take opportunities when they arise. Even if you look at British migration which I like discussing, over many centuries when there was net emigration of the British, the rate at which they left was variable. It had peaks and troughs. Now it has flipped to net immigration, just like with any 'market', I'd only expect a similar pattern for the coming decades. The main differences now, arw that the interval between the peak and troughs may be closer - mainly due to the fact that the natural population in most western nations is in decline (hardly talked about) - more younger folks are needed for stability and second reason is the way capitalism works and refusal of such countries to adequately tax wealth but rather blame migration- the rich get richer. Lastly, unlike before that much needed immigration is only going to come from people of colour With most western nations tilting right, I think they might be in the pre-Brexit phase of realisation. A less spoken about issue is the fact that the rising anti-migration sentiment would make it more difficult even for those from the anglosphere to move around like in times past.
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njambert:I agree issues are multifactorial but migration is not the major driver. Taking away the recent 22/23 spike (which by historical standards is not unheard off), the population growth rate of Canada has been on a downward trend. The country grew at a much faster pace in the past and continued to thrive. Some of that spurt gave rise to some Canadian cities we know today. Without migration, the population of most western nations would be in decline which is something they are keen to avoid especially seeing how Japan has handled it. The way the world works, on a level playing field, one/few countries would always dominate migration numbers be it Brits, Chinese e.t.c. First, Canada is not getting 300k Brits to apply for its EE in 2024. Same also, you wouldn't get tens of thousands of Brits applying to Canadian universities. The numbers willing to apply and with the right qualification would not come from the anglosphere - same is the story elsewhere and it's fairly new. Is Canada going to take someone from country X with an EE score of 250 over an Indian with an EE score of 500? Yes, things could be spread out a bit more but not at the expense of a fair system. Also worth nothing that over 1 in 7 humans is an Indian. Add that to their decent command of English and you'd see their numbers are not surprising. On diversity, almost 50% of Canadians are of British heritage. No one is complaining about that lack of diversity. Also looking at numbers, any country cap is going to disproportionately affect Nigerians
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Gerrard59:Hehe. I don't agree the uninhabitable excuse is a fair let-off for Australia. Yes, large swathes of Canada are not suitable for habitation, same also Australia. Taking away these uninhabitable parts, Australia is still sparsely populated. The Brits were not worried about the amount of habitable land when they came over and the Australians media didn't have so many issues when it was Brits coming in. Most Brits I see have relatives resident in Australia or Canada- its normal for them and the Canadian or Australian media hardly complained about this.
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lavida001:Hmm.. Indians have done well for themselves in the West. I only hope they can also achieve good development back home. If Nigerians had similar attainment to them in the West, we'd be receiving more hate. It's important not to follow media narratives to belittle hard working, high-attaininig folks just because of ethnic prejudices. Else, we'd next be calling ourselves third worlders. |
justwise:Lol@ Tommy Robinson - the 'defender of English values' and the only one speaking the 'truth' Nigel Farage is not obedient enough to lead the cause. True, the UK system may have not be as financially laden but it's heavily susceptible to the media. I've noticed that many elements of the Right in the UK are also not huge fans of Trump. With most of the developed western moving right, the next few years should be interesting. Hopefully its their Brexit moment with similar lessons to be learned |
A common narrative is how migration is the reason for the housing crises. Nobody choruses that U.S is overpopulated yet they have about 330 million people. Australia with a landmass just slightly to the U.S only has 26 million inhabitants. Yet, it's immigrants that are to blame for house prices Over 60% of Australians own their home. How many of them would not vote out a government that causes house prices to crash. Locals would block every house building initiative and turn around to blame migrants. Estate developers buy up and hoard land around cities and refuse to build. They'd call in land banking. They only build at the rate at which they can sell at their set prices. Same story in Canada and the UK. The mortgage industry forms a bedrock of the economy of these nations. Imagine the economic output if quality houses could be built at scale. Jobs would be created, house prices and rents would become more affordable, gdp would rise and people would invest in other parts of the economy rather than buying up land. But no, everybody wants to secure their retirement and inheritance on the value of their home
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justwise:My concern with folks like him is how they can drive the media and consequently drive how people think. That most local UK media are commenting about him shows his reach. All he needs is a local popular politician to be his face/puppet Elon was not a conservative before. He really kicked off when he felt spited. When Jo Biden invited business leaders to the white house and didn't include him. Since inception, traditional social media tilted towards the left and were more progressive. He's cut down all safeguards to having a civil conversation and Twitter is now a freeway for every kind of abuse + p0rn I gather. In todays world with a recent flourish of right wing ideas, it's difficult to say how far he can reach |
ednut1:True, when push comes to shove, they also target those eastern Europeans. They hide behind wide reaching words like 'integration' to spew trash. How many of them 'integrate' when they go to Dubai or 'China' but they expect me to forget my culture and kowtow because I have come to the west. Yes, integration is important but should be done via mutual respect and not by folks giving up their identity to ppease you. And most of these communities come to be by reason of persecution. Its the only way by which they survived. If the Jews didn't form such communities, one can only guess what'd have happened to them over centuries. Even at that, the success they had attracted lots of hate to them which led to lots being killed in the world wars. Even in Nigeria- whether its in Lagos, Kano, Kaduna, Anambra e.t.c migrating communities manytimes tend to live in particular parts. In the U.S, there are places with very little blacks. In Australia how many westerners live in or close to aboriginal communities e.t.c. Folks choosing to live with people of their kind are not doing anything new. |
Gerrard59:There's definitely a numbers game at play. Having closed off communities might not be the best but its the way many groups thrive. Most of us only disperse due to work. Worse would be said if it was Nigerians or Kenyans having such. We heard similar stories prior to Brexit of how eastern european folks were taking up districts, only speaking their language and sending money back home. Some of that narrative has died down now as there is no single group to hold |
ednut1:Manytimes, its white folks also selling and moving out. Forming communities is a time-tested way by which humans have thrived. It's one of the basics in building wealth as a group. There are pros and cons but it happens in every society. Jews, blacks e.t.c The funny thing is that even when westerners migrate to developing countries today, they lump themselves up in closed-off 'expat' communities. How many of them move and mix freely with the local populace as they expect of us? Same scenario with colonial periods- where possible, the natives would be killed off or foced into coccons e.g Australia. If not possible then invading folks take and live in the choice land by themselves e.g SA. Humans are communal beings and the protection that comes by moving in groups is immense whether its to career progress, business success e.t.c. It's why I laugh whenever migrating Nigerians say they'd have nothing to with Nigerians abroad. I'm all for integration and live and work in a community which is >95% white but at same time, I cannot discount the benefits of having more people like me around. If not for work, I may have moved to a place with more diversity. |
Agidipie:The narrative has a number of drivers but once you scratch the surface it becomes clear most of it stems a larger underlying prejudice against migration by people of colour and another large cohort of BAME folks who jump on the wagon without understanding the underlying drivers. Indians are only being targeted because they sre the dominant migrant group in those countries. In Canada, similar was said about the Chinese 1-2 decades ago. If it was Nigerians or blacks, even worse would be said. There are bad eggs as you'd find in any group who have migrated in numbers but an overwhelming majority came legally and go on to do well for themselves. That many go on to be high achievers only fuels that hate A few pages back, I had to engage someone who had been made to believe non-white migrants were the reason why some Brits emigrate. Or is it when folks blame migrants for NHS wait lists forgetting you're much more likely to be treated by a migrant healthcare worker than have them ahead of you on a wait list. Or is it how housing crises is blamed on migrants forgetting that no government or western populace has any intention of cutting house price |
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