₦airaland Forum

Kenn55:
These Indians should go and rest. They are talking now cos the bigotry don reach their side. Where were they when blacks and Latino immigrant community were being dehumanized?
Anybody with sense knows that the core MAGA issue wasn't illegal immigration as it was painted but non white immigration whether legal or illegal. They thought they were not in the same category with blacks and Latino immigrants cos they are the IT gurus.
They haven't learnt their lesson cos as at today people like Kash Patel is still thinking he is MAGA

Free Indians matter. We're in thesame hustle. Alot of countries have bigots pointing fingers at them.

Trump sold his story to a wider narrative this time and even got some minority voters behind him or made them less enthusiastic to vote for the dems. It's so believable to point at an immigrant and make everyday folks believe they're the reason for wider struggles. Its a time-tested tactic.

Well lets hope Trump doesn't do a BJo on them. His properties need more of the 0.1% engineers to run them afterall

Zahra29:
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There are different rules in England and the "full gamut" of NHS services does not include free prescriptions (and other services such as dental treatments and eye tests)

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The op asked if getting regular prescriptions (in this case for diabetic meds) would class as public funds for someone on a visa which I responded to.
Thats different from asking if one is eligible to have free prescriptions under the nhs (for which they'd need to meet specific criteria except they're in certain parts). The only overlap here is that the are diabetic on meds which has a crossover between the two. i.e its a disease which if treated with medications would by itself qualify them for free scripts.


The full gamut of nhs services is being able to access routine care and get your regular prescriptions signed off just like everyone else. There would still be set criteria for certain aspects of care/treatment. If I needed a regular script, I'd pay the regular nhs fee for it - not private.

NuCypher:
Or is it the ones worrying endlessly for months about when they'll receive their passports from IRCC, raising an endless number of webforms to prod the commission, writing multiple long emails to MPs all over Canada, endlessly worrying about an application that is almost a certainty and that will work 100% as long as you had ITA and have done everything right; doing all of this time-wasting and soul-sucking efforts, instead of planning ahead for a future in Canada that will be certainly different and challenging? I just shake my head when I see those kinds of comments. Someone has done something to us as Nigerians for sure. Pathetic!

Hehe.. mk una free 'Nigerians' na

Remember exams always seem easy after you've passed them. I'm an advicate for taking things calmly but lets understand the mental stress many in that situation go through. Life plans and savings could be on hold. Prayers and fasting may have followed and for many it would be a huge decision in their lives.

When I applied for a Canadian visit visa, even after being warned, I was taken aback by how long it took. Recently someone in the UK thread just couldn't understand why it takes Canada upto a year to process visit visa for Nigerians. Na me begin explain give am. Even at that- it's just too long.
By the time it came to EE, I was less perturbed as I don sabi their way and wasn't in a hurry

funkyy598:
If I can survive in Lagos, I can survive anywhere. Mentally, it ruins lives and leaves many stranded, even on the Express Entry page. Some people try to explain the challenges ahead. and how best to prepare ahead as it not rosy anywhere , but majority say it's negativity and that the individual should come back home. They do not want to hear this information , and if they arrive and face reality, then nobody should complain. It's simple!

Hehe.. I see your point but tailoring advise to the needed group is also important.

Truth be said, some of the overzealous advise given on the EE page are not needed. I remember someone warning about 'bills' forgetting anyone on that pathway should have done their reasearch and hence advise given needs to be balanced.

It's like many discussions I've had on NL when folks warm Nigerians about how 'bills' will kill you in the West. My favourite was someone telling me food was 'cheaper' in Nigeria cos he was comparing the sticker price of coca-cola

On a personal note, before I moved abroad, even after getting a job I was so worried about 'tax' stories I hear online that I had to phone a friend and ask if I go still see money after paying 'tax/bills'. Chap laughed and told me that talk is crap and truly it was.

All I'm saying is advise needs to be balanced and tailored.

ednut1:
This was mid last year. This friend of mine was trying to crowdfund the balance from other people. This are the kind of people that will still come here to cry. Another person that i advised to learn French is currently in the pool with a high scores. Student route especially to these mushroom diploma mills have casted yet people are still applying. Make nobody con stress me again o 😒😂

The way the guy flared up, I had to revisit the pictures you posted. Those are everyday pictures of Canada and this is a thread for Nigerians in Canada. Its just like someone posting pictures of malls in Lagos shops on a Lagosian forum. Began to wonder whats driving his temperature

Goodenoch:
LOL.

This fellow is still ‘questioning’. He should continue- he’ll surely get the answers to his questions soon enough.

I wonder what he and the likes of Vivek would be telling their kids after their fellow republican 'freedom fighters' and 'truth speakers' have now turned calling him all kinda names because of his skin colour.
Even Musk had to call out the racist language.

Goke7:
It will be a long ride in the next four years even here in the UK especially with Uncle Musk now pulling Oga Starmer's beards up and down. Everyone was aware of the consequences of November 2024 so no one should be pretending now.

Hehe... Kier is having it tough.

UK kowtowing to the U.S no be today but got worse since Brexit as standing alone leaves the UK at the back of the queue hence we have become more desperate for any trade agreement. Obama warned about this.
Must issue came to the fore when the UK went cap in hand begging him to open a factory here. Chap ultimately looked the other way siting Brexit even after a sitting PM 'interviewed' him. Imagine the PM interviewing a private business man. Funny enough, it was the much hated Indians that came to UKs aid and agreed to build a battery factory after securing generous terms.

Many whites (in other countries) who are native english speakers see the UK as their family house for historical reasons esp white South Africans
His father has called Kier a fascist. X has left Tommy Robinsons hate filled documentary on. He is now calling for Tommys release. The UK can't do much about him cos upsetting the coming US president is considered too risky a venture. All Musk needs to do is dangle the possibility of a factory and the those in Westminster would start singing a different tune.

Goke7:
Kemi badenough and uncle farage is waiting to receive ya! 😜

Ekaabo!

Stumbled upon this and I remembered you and Kemi. Chap is lamenting but wonder what he was expecting.
Broensing thru, it's clear X has really become its kind of SM with rising hate all in the name of free speech

naivasha:
Okay. It's an unmarrried partner visa. My partner is a UK citizen. Hope that helps to clarify.

I gather its part of the family visa group which is a pathway to ILR. Moreso, you should have paid IHS fee during application hence are eligible for the full gamut of routine NHS services. It does not class as 'public funds' for immigration purposes. Worth registering with your local GP and requesting this meds plus a diabetic review which should subsequently occur annually

Even for those visiting on a visit visa who run out off or forget their medications, they may get a prescription by calling 111 or visiting the local urgent treatment centre or visiting the emergency dept (esp if its an essential medication which certain diabetic medications would be). In some cases, they may be asked to pay a private prescription fee.

This helps explain what is public funds for immigration purposes and not
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/public-funds--2/public-funds

Why dont Telcos have contract plans where people pay a fixed monthly fee for a given period (e.g 1yr) and as a result have unlimited calls/texts and fixed data?

naivasha:
Happy New Year everyone.

Regarding the condition of "No Public Funds" on my partner visa, I just want to ask - will prescriptions for diabetic medication be considered as accessing public funds?

It depends on the kind of visa- visit and work/dependent have different rules

Lexusgs430:
Are you trying to say, you had a LISA whilst resident in the UK.......

If this is what you meant...... You have 3 options......

- Just pause it till you get to 60...
- Keeping paying in, continually receive your 25% from HMRC.....
- Withdraw funds and pay a penalty to HMRC ......

If one is no longer tax-resident in the UK, I doubt they'd still be able to contribute to an ISA.

Gallantboy213:
Please can someone whom the government in UK gave free housing be allowed to invite someone in Nigeria over

Free housing in what context?
Is the invitation for a visit visa?

lavida001:
Third worlders especially Indians should be placed on visa ban to the west at least for a short time.

Why do you refer to yourself as 'third worlder'?

Goke7:
But because as usual just like here in the uk folks are generally ignorant of visas and their requirements and how they truly impact the economy they just lump every immigrant into the same category and blame them for their woes. H1b is one of the most regulated visa category in America and just about a 100,000 scale through yearly for an economy of the size of America. So much lies out there about h1b.

Thanks for shedding more light on this. As we've seen with the UK, when most citizens talk about migration, it's largely embedded with ignorance.

lavida001:
White folks are thesame in uk and America. You don’t want to work, your government brought in people that wants to do the work, you still dey complain say de want to replace you. Has anyone got a link to the great replacement paper they keep hollering about?

Na that replacement theory dey tire them.


We are just living our lives. No one is looking to replicate the replacement of indigenous folks as was the case in Australia e.t.c.

The story of man is that of migration. Change is also inevitable.

Fertility rates and economic productivity are dropping. Yet folks want increasingly more freebies (undersandable) without taxing the very rich. Wish them luck in solving this trilema.

I can only hope Africa begins to flourish just like China did so that most of our resources taken as dearth cheap prices to fund western opulence can have value added to them and be priced correctly.

missjekyll:
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These companies will employ a lot of staff and buy materials for these. The staff ll spend their salaries paying tax as they do, tax ll be paid on the materials and services. Voila ,growth!

I m just perking up my ears for the increase in visas for builders. I have a couple of able-bodied relatives in Nigeria who ll be delighted to help.

Hehe.. I can picture Baba Farouk... able-bodied carpenter arriving Heathrow with his hammer to help build great British homes

lavida001:
How are labour going to raise capital to build these houses, don’t we have 20 billion black hole anymore?

It's builders that'd build and there's private capital to support this.

The main issue is curtailing NIMBYs and freeing up regulation

Builders would build so far as they can sell for a good profit (i.e not drop prices). Most builders are sitting on land and not willing to proceed as they're either delaying planning or don't want to cause an oversupply. For the right market, builders would easily find the money to build- private equity, sales e.t.c. After the interest rate hike, many developers curtailed new buildings to the numbers of buyers they had.

On a final note, it's quite funny how quickly things went full circle. Elon wants numbers increased, Vivek wants wider national quotas eliminated. Its clear where this is headed and MAGAs knowing their capitalists well are having none of it.

They said is they want to increase it to 0.1 % of 'top talent'. What percentage is it now- 0.001?

Same Twitter/X and co that have laid off thousands of 'top-talent' workers

I also gather some of that 'top engineering talent' worked on Trumps properties - perhaps as an 'tech receptionist'

The good thing is North America favours family migration and also have citizenship by birth. Can't wait for top 0.1% of engineers, farmers, carers and even hookup staff to arrive. I wish Elon well in this fight

Goke7:
😂 so much for ‘You’re now the media’ and all the ‘protection of free speech’ partygoers. I have always said all those free speech jargons is smooth to talk when the narrative is on your side. The moment it turns against you it will be your turn to go against free speech itself. Good luck to bro Elon o!

Hehe.. Where were MAGAs when he spent billions to buy Twitter and gave Trump a platform after he had been culled from other major media platforms?

President Musk is now threatening to excommunicate the hardcore MAGAs from the republican party. I wish him luck in his war

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Goodenoch:
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Vivek and co participated in the denigration of migrants in the name of “objectivity” and “speaking hard truths”, thinking their own status would protect them.

I wish Kemi well- her own supporters are still enduring a B-Jo induced post-Brexit PTSD. She would do well to be guarded in her statements as British politics is much more unforgiving.

For Vivek, its quite sad how his support base who hailed him for 'speaking the truth' are now debasing him. Unlike Elon who is threatening war, he can't even take it up to them. He's rather deleting posts.

Elon has already started curtailing some on Twitter. They should migrate to Truth Social.

You penultimate paragraph is the reason why we need to stop caring about somethings folks think about us. Nobody wants us here. We're here because we're needed. Its also the reason why I'm unapologetic about legal migration- each should do as they see fit.

missjekyll:
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I like that this is a very public roforofo fight. For the first time, the racists are being brought face to face with the truth namely Immigration is beneficial and indispensable to growth. Hopefully their counterparts over here are listening.

I m going back to reddit leopardeatingfaces thread.

Hehe... Trump has got what he wanted. MAGAs are still in processing mode. I just hope he doesn't do a Boris Johnson/Rishi on MAGAs cos they may not have a Reform to run too


President-elect Trump told The Post Saturday he supports immigration visas for highly skilled workers, appearing to side with Elon Musk in the roiling intra-MAGA debate on the issue.

“I’ve always liked the visas, I have always been in favor of the visas. That’s why we have them,” Trump said by phone, referring to the H-1B program, which permits companies to hire foreign workers in specialty occupations.

“I have many H-1B visas on my properties. I’ve been a believer in H-1B. I have used it many times.

Is Starmer running out of ideas or simply seeking varied views? Time would tell.

In addition to regulators (which can manytimes stifle rapid growth), his government needs to send similar letters to independent think-thanks and businesses who are drivers of this growth.

Already home builders are telling him what they need to deliver his 1.5m homes. Imagine the impact of 1.5m new homes in 5 yrs. All the salaries paid to build, council taxes an land, levies on construction, company tax, and most importantly the housing and wealth thatd be generated for would-be occupiers.

We know how the last conservative government engineered growth starting from liberalising certain regulations and selling post-graduate education internationally. Kier is still enjoying some of the dividends of such moves but he needs to work harder.

Goodenoch:
As usual. Same as with the riots here in the UK. I'm sure things are becoming clearer to Vivek and others like him.

This is where critical mass becomes important. They now chorus he's Indian and America is for European migrants. Just typing his name in the search bar brings up alot of abuse.

I wonder how many here actually think Vivek was saying the inconvenient truth.
Hope Kemi is learning- for the inevitable day she's forced to say the 'truth'

Goke7:
True but you see those Latinos no try them o just wait and see when those deportations go start na there yawa go gas 😜

Hehe..
With human nature, sometimes its good to wander in the wilderness. Though Democrats could have gone about their activities better, there's not very much they'd have done to convince folks not to try and 'find out'
Brexit continues to be a good example.

Another banger!

Starmer should listen to those who'd build his 1.5m houses - they need more workers

It's easy to compare and contrast migration policy across the west and also guestimate where one nation could be headed by looking at others.
Canada aimed to build several million homes by 2030 and had to open a special draw for tradesmen. Is UK looking to follow suit?

https://archive.is/1YFCj
https://archive.is/ERUud

Goke7:
This was a campaign rhetoric but alas na wetin dem go use hook Trump be this.

Politics is brutal as you have to say all manner of things to get the required numbers. The MAGA base couldn’t have delivered Trump back to the White House without huge support from other minorities like the Latinos, Arabs and black males. That mandate is not a MAGA mandate but a huge coalition of all varied aligned interests and with Trump aligning with Musk views on the h1b now that tells you it may be a different game now from his first tenure and remember the democrats are there to pick up from any slips as the republicans don’t really have that overwhelming numbers in the congress.

As Trump just has a single tenure- all supporting factions know there's no time to waste.

True- Trump was able to galvanise support across board. However, its the strong financial backers that would determine most decisions. They may simply see the rest as numbers only useful as workers or in an election.

With time, all this would morph more into a class war. With owners of capital subtly favouring migration and workers against it.

Oops!
Green card to those who graduate from U.S colleges from day 1? Fingers crossed.

Did Trump actually say this? Why are MAGAs complaining then? The statement from their oga was clear.

This is not good news for the U.K. if the U.S starts a PSW-esque pathway or something better (bearing in mind they still have citizenship by birth), that would be a big blow to UKs education market. All said we need more competition in the post-graduate education market. Western nations should come forward with their A-game.

Trump gets it.

Donald Trump: “If you graduate from a U.S. college—two-year, four-year, or doctoral—you should automatically get a green card to stay.

Too often, talented grads are forced to leave and start billion-dollar companies in India or China instead of here.

That… pic.twitter.com/ElpR8PFk7h

— Ian Miles Cheong (@ianmiles) December 27, 2024

Goke7:
Am not surprised, that’s what happens in a forced marriage between two strangers. Musk with huge business in China, Una wan run am street? Just like our Brexit folks I hope MAGA has not been played. When they collected huge sums and goodwill from Musk what were they expecting? freebies? o wrong na Dude no gree for anybody.

It all buttressed all we say here that after all the huff and puff reality will always set in. Perhaps they need an independent body too to tell them what the data really says and where things stand but as usual it’s what people want to hear they will hear.

Capitalism is brutal as human greed is predictable.
What's Elon/Vivek asking for- an expansion/reform of the H1B visa or do they just want it to remain in its current form and not be scrapped?

Elon and tech companies would ask for top engineering talent, farmers for top farming talent, hospitals for top medical talent, haulage companies for top driver talent... etc.. hehehe.. MAGAs know how e dey start and arent buying it.

Conservstism tends to promote a free market economy. In decades past they were able to do this without relying on migration as native population and productivity was still growing. There was also lots of low-hanging anti-migrant policies that have mostly since been adopted.

Let's watch and see. Wouldn't be surprised Canada has their own Boris Johnson moment with a new conservative leadership next year.

lavida001:
Vivek and Musk are just social media politicians like their counterpart Farage. No real policy just sensation and emotions.

Vivex is still upcoming but Musk carries clout.
He typifies the American dream. He oversees a string of successful businesses, bought and converted a whole Twitter to a right wing media, he's extremely wealthy and is still pushing to frontiers of science. I'm not his fan but its clear why alot of young people like him. Chap was literally given folks $1m to galvanise support for Trump. Imagine giving folks £500k - £1m to support NF

Take this falout for example though Vivek is a natural born U.S citizen and Elon a south African immigrant, however most of the abuse (sometimes racist) has been focused on Vivek.

Cyberknight:
Watching in 3D.
Let's see what Trump does as that will guide Farage accordingly.
I think that Trump will come in and do some initial gra-gra, pluck some low-hanging fruit, then pay close attention to the business leaders who are telling him in no uncertain terms him to remember that the US functions on the back of low-paid labour.

Finally. Trump is a business man so should be measured in his approach.

Already farmers have started lobbying to exempt illegal farm workers from deportations. Who'd have thought Elon would threaten war to keep the migrant visa pathway open? MAGAs were not expecting this.

Why I keep saying just like Brexit, Farage might be a blessing in disguise afterall. I've looked at Reforms policies and it's quite clear they'd be undone by any attempt to implement their promised freebies. Their low hanging fruut might be extending time to ILR, further increasing fees and blaming migrants.