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Christianity EtcRe: Astral Travel Or Out Of Body Experiences by Jen33(m): 7:35pm On Apr 10, 2007
I see a lot of crazy fellas here.

@Jen33
I think you are simply an agent, you are delibrately propagating this evil.
Like Geegengs rightly said, there are only two spirits you can yield to, God and the devil. Certainly, astral travelling is demonic. Having a near-death experience is different from an out of body experience. there is no point mingling the two together.
I think you're incurably ignorant and presumptious.

Where did u get your theory about 'there's only two spirits u can yield to, ' and all that GARBAGE?

What, from some WRETCHED FAKE HOLY BOOK OR SOMETHING?

A book filled with lies, murder, contradictions and ritual sacrifice, and massacres of the innocent perpertrated by some two-a-penny Jewish tribal god masquerading as the Creator??

You can stick your bible falsehoods and fake morality in a place where the sun don't shine, as all it's taught you is to be in a perpetual brainwashed ZOMBIE state that cannot see anything valid outside it's dubious dictates.

One more thing, get this into your skull - there is No devil, except the ones we create with our own minds.

There is only LIFE and the Source of life.

There is NO creature in existence with such characteristics as commonly identified with ''the devil''.

IT IS ALL RUBBISH.

We've had thousands of near-death accounts by people who died and were revived, and NONE has ever reported meeting the devil.

Most reported meeting a Being of Light exuding incredible love and unconditional acceptance, whom they identified based on their own religious interpretation, and meeting whole societies and deceased friends and relatives.

Several were told by those they met there that the devil is non-existent.

In other words, as commonly understood, the concept of the devil is fake.

At most, it is a metaphor for the universal negative mindset, a symbol of our separation from the light in moral issues like selflessness, love, empathy, humility etc.

Satan becomes an invented humanized compendium of this mindset as it were, rather than being an actual living being mysteriously blessed with the powers to challenge his own Creator.

Hellfire is non-existent.

Death is only a shedding of our physical coats. Our consciousness remains intact for eternity.

Those whose souls are burdened by guilt and obligation or the desire for spiritual growth can return to earth as humans in the cycle of rebirth known as reincarnation and recognised as real by humans for the past 100,000 years of human existence.

By experiencing the physical travails of an earthly life, spiritual development is acce;lerated for souls, and that is why we decide to come to earth - to learn/teach and return home the wiser.
Christianity EtcRe: Astral Travel Or Out Of Body Experiences by Jen33(m): 7:23pm On Apr 10, 2007
cool
Christianity EtcRe: Astral Travel Or Out Of Body Experiences by Jen33(m): 2:02am On Apr 10, 2007
Jerry Gross' research into astral projection

Jerry Gross is a leader in the field of out-of-body explorations. As a well known out-of-body teacher and practitioner, he holds workshops on astral projection in the United States and abroad.

Jerry has proven conclusively, under scientifically controlled conditions that he has been able to astral project himself to a distant location, observe a situation, move an object, and then return to his body with total recall of these events. Jerry teaches that astral projection is a beautiful, fulfilling, enlightening experience that anyone can learn. He believes the out-of-body experience allows all of us to leave our cumbersome bodies and travel in the spirit world ,  our true home. Jerry feels that the ability to leave the body is "one of the gifts we are all given at birth, but most of us have forgotten about." The following are some articles that describe his research in out-of-body experiences, Read on,


http://www.near-death.com/gross.html
Christianity EtcRe: Astral Travel Or Out Of Body Experiences by Jen33(m): 1:57am On Apr 10, 2007
Seun, that quote/story you alluded to me was by someone else.

Those that say stuff like 'it's the weed' or it's of the devil' are completely ignorant. IBEZIK, you need to come up with a lot more than some documentary u saw on tv to rubbish astral projection or out-of-body experiences. There is powerful evidence that consciousness can and does exist outside the body as a thorough analysis of www.near-death.com will show u.

BTW to those saying it's ''evil'', on that site you'll see that practising Christians including clergymen report these experiences perhaps more than anyone else.
Christianity EtcRe: Astral Travel Or Out Of Body Experiences by Jen33(m): 6:25pm On Apr 05, 2007
Pain, I feel your pain.

For your idea to work, a large number of people would need to be trained in astral projection. This is unlikely to happen as the big conglomerates that profit from physical travel like car makers, aeroplane manufacturers like Boeing ETC, are powerful and influential enough to stop any such mass re-orientation of the public dead in its tracks.

Perhaps only after they've destroyed themselves via their greed  and bloodlust, will mankind be able to freely access such inherent qualities we all have.

I understand that there are many technologies out there that would ensure free heating, free fuel for all etc etc, but are being BLOCKED from public access owing to the 'catastrophic consequences' on those that benefit from the sale of current products and services.
Christianity EtcPagan Origins Of The Christ Myth by Jen33(op): 3:54am On Apr 05, 2007
PAGAN ORIGINS OF THE CHRIST MYTH

http://www.medmalexperts.com/POCM/index.html
Christianity EtcRe: Astral Travel Or Out Of Body Experiences by Jen33(m): 5:08am On Mar 31, 2007
busygirl said:

I think astral travelling is bad,  it's also demonic. God owns d spirit and no human being should try to manipulate this-- apart from that, in d process of travelling, what happens when u meet more powerful spirits nd your spirit is being attacked? U never can tell that may be your end
I'm sorry darling but this is the most ignorant piece of drivel I've read in a very long time.

Astral travel is no more 'demonic' than brushing your teeth in the morning.

All astral travel is is accessing realms beyond our three dimensional world using our ethereal body.

Every human has a physical body and an ethreal and spiritual body.

Consciousness is not dependent on the human body to exist, which is why it is true that physical death is just what it says. Not the death of the individual.

Even when we dream, oftentimes we are astral travelling - our consciousness (spirit) visiting other realms and dimensions and interacting with beings,

Most of what we experience is forgotten, or rather, retained in the sub-conscious, except in the most vivid dreams,  which tend to have a major purpose,

Anyone can be trained to astral project. In fact the US army employs what is called ''Remote Viewing'' to determine what goes on in hidden places the other side of the world. Remote Viewing is a variant of astral projection, where the mind is trained to travel and observe/capture events in inaccessible locations.

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=3003
Christianity EtcRe: 13 Problems I Have With The Bible by Jen33(op): 4:20am On Mar 31, 2007
Trini girl said:

I may have over estimated your powers of analogy SIR, otherwise you would have known that our actions are predicative to our beliefs. You may be more like "us Christians" than you care to admit.
I think you over estimate the correspondence of general Christian behaviour to their beliefs.

Why else is the US, a ''Christian nation'' par excellence, so adept at massacring innocents across the world?

In fact I think I read somewhere that they were the 'most Christian nation on earth' or something to that effect.

What beliefs are the war mongering views of all those 'most Christian' US Christians predicated on Trini girl?

Did 'Jesus' not instruct you lot to turn the other cheek? To shun the use of the sword or risk annihilation by same?

Are Christian nations, Trini girl, not the world's biggest 'users of the sword' with nuclear stockpiles of the US, Britain, France, (Judaeo-Christian) Israel, comprising over 4/5ths of the world's total nuclear armoury, enough to destroy the planet 100 times over?

HOW DARE YOU ATTEMPT, in the light of such breathtaking duplicity, to equate Christian beliefs with Christian actions? Truth is, by their deeds, most Christians are diammetrically opposed to the major tenets of their belief, particularly to do with UNCONDITIONAL LOVE FOR YOUR FELLOWS.

That philosophy has NO ROOM for destructive nuclear arsenals, faked evidence to fight wars of acquisition driven by greed.

It has NO ROOM for globally skewed economic systems orchestrated by Christian nations.

It has NO ROOM for racism, ethnicism, corruption, slavery and exploitation of vulnerable peoples on account of greed and lust for power.

All these, Christians are guilty of, and with tacit or overt Church backing.

(I'm yet to hear of ''born again'' Dubya's priest demanding an end to his bloodlust for instance - if anything, they come in and bless the troops prior to their deployment in battle).

It therefore constitutes the gravest insult upon the intelligence to suggest that Christian actions flow from Christian beliefs. 99% of the time they do not! Do you realise how rich the Church became as a result of the slave trade? Why, they were at the forefront of it!

They even sent in priests to 'pray for the slaves' in the ships!

Is that sick or what, Trini girl?
Christianity EtcRe: 13 Problems I Have With The Bible by Jen33(op): 2:00am On Mar 30, 2007
Trini Girl said:

Jen!

How now. Long time.

Jen believes in the theory of Reincarnation, just as the ancestors did pre dating the arrival of the "white man". Right Jen?

However, she still can't defend her belief. So instead she chooses to try and derail christianity.
First off I'm a HE not a SHE.

Second, it would help if you address the issues related to the thread rather than highlighting the irrelevant, such as what I 'believe' or don't 'believe'.

Unlike you Christians I choose, as a human being, not to be defined by my ''beliefs'', but by my actions.
Christianity EtcRe: 13 Problems I Have With The Bible by Jen33(op): 11:09pm On Mar 27, 2007
Good on you Jagun.
Christianity EtcRe: 13 Problems I Have With The Bible by Jen33(op): 2:07am On Mar 27, 2007
I believe in God. Just as my ancestors believed in God.

Africans did not hear about God for the first time through Christians or muslims you know?

Everything else that's been lately attached to God, from Jesus to Moses to Muhammed, Israelis as ''chosen people'', Isaiah, Ishmael, John the Baptist, Catholic, Methodist, Anglican etc etc IS ALL BULLSHIIT.

They attach all these people to God and then carve out a piece of their new creation, complete with threatening creeds for non-compliance, such as ''hellfire'', and then lure in unsuspecting people into their new ''religion'', while others do the same. Then each religion claims IT ALONE is the 'only true way' to God.

IT'S ALL BOLLOCKS.

God exists and we are all his immortal souls, immortal aspects of the Godhead, droplets of a mighty river, with none superior to the other. No prophet, 'son', 'daughter', or 'mother' of God is any more or less important than that other glorious manifestation of God - YOU.

THAT'S MY RELIGION.
Christianity Etc13 Problems I Have With The Bible by Jen33(op): 1:28am On Mar 27, 2007
13 PROBLEMS I HAVE WITH THE BIBLE



Dear Believer:

I do not accept the Bible as God’s word because it contains thousands of errors, misrepresentations, and contradictions that cannot be resolved, only rationalized. 

I refuse to accept Jesus as my personal savior, for his behavior and teachings often expose one who should be escaped rather than worshipped. 

I ask that you read these words in line with the bible’s teachings; Christians should be “open to reason” (James 3:17 RSV), that we should “reason together” (Isaiah 1:18) and “he who hates correction will die” (Proverbs 15:10) to understand my perspective that the bible has MANY shortcomings.


1.  According to your Bible I am to believe that human kind is sinful and suffering from Adam and Eve eating the fruit of knowledge.  Why are we being punished for the original sin?  After all, they ate the forbidden fruit, we didn’t.  Reason would lead one to say it’s their problem, not ours.  Even the bible contradicts itself by claiming in Deuteronomy 24:16, “children shall not be punished for the sins of their fathers.”

2.  Heaven is supposed to be a perfect place.  It is of course, the place you strive for and name “salvation”.  Yet, it experienced a war (Revelation 12:7).  How can there be a war in a perfect place and if it happened before why couldn’t it happen again?  Why would I want to go to a place in which war can occur?  That’s exactly what I’m trying to escape, aren’t you?

3.  We are told salvation is obtained by faith alone (John 3:18 & 36) and then the Bible claims that it is repentance that shall save us (2 Peter 3:9) yet 'Jesus' told a man to follow the Commandments-Matthew 19:16-1 8 (saving by works)-if he wanted eternal life. So which way is it and how do you know your belief is the correct one?

4. According to the text there are 29 cities listed in Joshua 15:21-32.  One need only count them to see that biblical math is not to be trusted.  The total is 36.

5.  If the Bible is our moral guide, then how can it make pornographic statements such as: “, they may eat their own dung and drink their own piss with you” (2 Kings 18:27)?  Also consult Numbers 31 where a whole tribe of people, including the elderly and children are slaughtered.  The only survivors were the virginal women, who were later raped by the “just and perfect” Moses and his men.  Is that what you want your children reading on Sunday?

6. For justice to exist, punishment must fit the crime.  No matter how many bad deeds one commits in this world, there is a limit.  Yet, hell’s punishment is infinitely greater.  It’s eternal.  Shouldn’t a sinner suffer until remorse is felt and the crime is atoned for?  What “justice” is there in infinite damnation?

7.  'Jesus' said, “whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire” (Matthew 5:22).  Yet, he himself did so repeatedly, as Matthew 27:19, Luke 11:40 & 12:20 show.  Shouldn’t he be in danger of hell too?  'Jesus' also told us to “Love your enemies; bless them that curse you," but ignored his own advice by repeatedly denouncing his opposition.  Matthew 12:34 (“0 generation of vipers”), and Matthew 23 :27 (“,  hypocrites,  ye are like unto whited sepulchres.“) are excellent examples of hypocrisy.  If Jesus himself is a sinner by his own admission then surely he can not be the “perfect lamb of god”.

8.  Except those of biased Christian writers, there isn’t one writing outside the Bible in all of ancient history that clearly refers to Jesus of Nazareth. 

The decision to dedicate my life to a deity requires at least one shred of conclusive evidence.  Your lord knows non-believers exist as a result of this, yet he makes no attempt to supply proof.  How can the bible claim its god wants all in heaven if he doesn’t make efforts to ensure that we all believe in him?

9.  Paul says Christianity lives or dies on the Resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:14-17).  Yet Jesus made many promises concerning his return during the lifetime of his then followers.  (Matthew 16:28: “There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom”.  Matthew 23:36, 24:34, Mark.9:1, 13:30, Luke 9:27, 21:32 & John 21:22) None of those prophecies came true.  Does this not make Jesus a false prophet?  If so wouldn’t that make Christianity invalid?

10.  I find the idea that a man had to die for my sins revolting. If the Bible God was truly omnipotent he could have simply forgiven us. What kind of deity would execute one child in order to forgive it’s others?  Modern society would call an individual like this sadistic, insane and cruel. Surely, you would not worship a child killer, why do you expect me to?  Would you find a judge worthy of the title who would allow my child to be executed in lieu of my sins?

11.  John 14:12 states a follower in Jesus can perform any of his works and do it even greater.  If you continue to insist I believe in Jesus, it is only fair I may ask of you to show just how strong your faith is. After all, you would be my “mentor” in Christ.  I’m not a believer as of yet, but surely you are.  Would you mind perhaps resurrecting a dead relative or walking on water?

12.  Okay, obviously you didn’t do number 14 and backed out with the “this is metaphorical” excuse.  Surely you can try Mark 16:17-1 8 which says believers can drink “any deadly thing” and “it shall not hurt” them.  But I don’t think you would be naive enough to drink any arsenic offered.  Perhaps I’m wrong and you would be willing to test the Book’s veracity-”lay it on the line” so to speak?

13. All right, so now you have backed out of two of my questions.  I’m starting to think you don’t really care about my salvation as much as you claim.  Well, unlike your Yahweh, I shall be kind and offer a third chance at redemption.  Consider Jesus’ teaching in Luke 6:30 “Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.”  Perhaps, if you emptied your wallet and “give of thee” I may seriously ponder accepting Jesus as my savior. 

Until then, kindly keep your cross.


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A far greater number of Biblical discrepancies can be found on the web at the following addresses:

http://web2.airmail.net/capella/aguide/main.htm

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com

http://www.cygnus-study.com
SportsRe: Who Is The Most Handsome Super Eagle? by Jen33(m): 3:22pm On Mar 24, 2007
In the eyes of an uncomfortably large number of Nigerians ''light-skinned'' equates automatically to ''handsome''.

I find that tragic. It's the ultmate sign of self-hate and racial inferiority complex.

The colonialists and media have done their job exceedingly well.   

God help us. cry
Christianity EtcRe: God Or No God? Who Cares And What Does It Really Matter? by Jen33(m): 2:12am On Mar 20, 2007
God exists, but not in the form/personality we associate him with. He is a Creator, and he creates creators.

This earth was probably not directly created by God. Same as humans.

There are other intelligent beings far more advanced than humans that could easily have seeded the human race combining their DNA with earth primates to create MAN.

In fact it is very likely that this was what happened.

But when we die we all return to the world of spirits - our true home.

And God or better yet The Source is very apparent in that world.

The Source exists and everything - good and evil - is all part of a grand plan of enlightenment for individual droplets or aspects of the Source.

These droplets are what we term Life, and all are indestructible.

Consciousness lives forever. Consciousness is energy. Energy is indestructible, and can only be transformed into another state.

When we die, our body (which is really just a coat or space suit) decomposes but our consciousness moves on, with our memories intact.

Life is forever.

For more info see www.near-death.com
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Christ Did Not Exist by Jen33(op): 9:49pm On Mar 11, 2007
KNUCKLEHEADS.

Even when the evidence suggests otherwise.

No wonder they say religion is the opium of the masses, with Africans the most addicted of the lot.

The idea that God is synonymous with Jesus is an insult to God himself and to all Africans, now and in the past.

Africans knew God before anybody else.

The first recorded artefact in Africa signifying worship of the Almighty is dated at over 20,000 BC.

This is at least 10,000 years before ''Adam and Eve'' - the first Jews - were 'created'.

It's thousands of years before Abraham, Noah, and all the characters we've been brainwashed into regarding as ''God's chosen people'', were born.

And yet, despite this long spiritual affiliation with the Godhead, for some strange reason, we knew absolutely nothing about ''God's only begotten son'' until something like 150 years ago when enslavers and colonisers decided to reach  our shores with some book claiming same. (Talk about evil seeds bearing good fruit - a supposed Biblical impossibility)

By sheer force of arms and greater technology they overwhelmed our nations and imposed their dubious religions and ideologies, which  - as descendants of the ancestral victims - we loudly, thoughtlessly parrot today with a gusto superceding even that of the originators.

It's almost enough to make you laugh and cry at the same time.

Pray, WHY would God allow Africans, his earliest and most ardent followers, to worship him for 20,000+ years while keeping them in complete ignorance of his ''son'', only to wait till 150 years ago when white-owned slave ships decided to come and capture Africans as slaves, before rewarding us with this ''vital information'' so late in the day?

Surely there was a way he could have gotten this ''good news'' to our people much earlier, thus saving the souls of millions of our ''hell-bound'', ''idol-worshipping'' ancestors of blessed memory.

The more you think it through, the more ridiculous the entire Jesus/Christian/Muslim my-way-or-the-hellway ''religious'' philosophies become.

And the more obvious it becomes that they constitute little more than stacks upon stacks of bare-faced lies created by establishment elements for conquest and control.
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Christ Did Not Exist by Jen33(op): 8:17pm On Mar 09, 2007
I can't believe the number of unintelligent responses elicited here.

One fool had the nerve to say ''so if you do not worship jesus you must worship the devil''.

What gross ignorance accounts for such a brain-dead response?

I wonder what schools some peeps here attended, because they're like illiterates that somehow manage to write - albeit thoughtlessly.

Air-head goons led via the nose by religious dictators lacking evidence to back their egregious fantasies and myths.

IGNORAMUSES calling themselves ''Africans''.

No doubt they reckon their forefathers are ''all in hell'' for their ''devil worship'' of yesteryear, BRAINWASHED as they are into believing their ancestors knew not ''the real God'' - but only served ''idols''.

Any wonder that our nations go into deeper straits the deeper we sink into the lies,  hypocrisies and hatreds of Christianity and Islam, the two impostor ''religions'' that ought to have made us better people, but instead, produced corrupt, selfish, war-mongering, spiteful individuals and nations, LOUD on 'religious devotion', but TRAGICALLY short on spirituality?

Rather than focus on the core message of ALL religion, which is to Love thy neighbour, they focus on ''loving'' their supposed messenger, and creating a cult around their messenger, in order to create distance and exclusivity between themselves and the rest of the human family.

They twist the words of their messengers to suit this warped exclusivity. Thus Jesus' alleged words - 'no one gets to the father but by me', has come to mean that one must be a Christian to be ''saved''.

But assuming such words were uttered, they could only make sense when we attach the promised salvation to those following the tenets or philosophies of Jesus, not those pledging allegiance to, or love for, or 'acceptance' of Jesus.

The tenets of 'Jesus' were simple. Love. Period.

So that comment simply meant ''THOSE THAT LOVE'' will 'sit with the Father' in heaven.

It did Not mean ''only those who accept me, Jesus, as their lord and saviour will be saved''.

Islam is the same. They focus, NOT on the message of UNIVERSAL LOVE but on ''Allah'' AND ''his prophet''.

They think they can ''love God'' and ''love his prophet'' while hating on humans, being selfish, and promoting warfare.

Same applies to Christendom.

Afterall, it's far easier to ''love'' someone you cannot see than it is to love your fellow humans, whom you can and do meet and interact with.

In the hereafter, what counts for ANYTHING is the amount of UNCONDITIONAL LOVE you had and shared here, NOT WHAT YOU BELIEVED OR DID NOT BELIEVE or WHOM YOU BELIEVED IN OR DID NOT BELIEVE IN.

Put simply, God ain't stupid.  grin
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Christ Did Not Exist by Jen33(op): 8:54am On Feb 26, 2007
This thread should be thrown to the bottomless pit.
How about that for religious intolerance. shocked
Christianity EtcRe: Why Is Nigeria The Most Religious Country! by Jen33(m): 1:18am On Feb 23, 2007
If only the 'two major world religions' would simply practise true religion - of whose long and short is to love thy neighbour as thyself - the world would be a terrific place.

Instead they spend time worshipping the messenger(s) of their 'religion' - forgetting entirely about the message.
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Christ Did Not Exist by Jen33(op): 5:42am On Feb 22, 2007
I'm realy tired of such arguments!! when will people jus learn 2 believehuh " Jesus Christ did exist! Jesus Christ has always existed!! Jesus Christ still exists!!
PERIOUD!!!!! END TOPIC, IF U DON'T BELIVE FINE!!
I'm sorry, but you'll have to do a bit more to back your claims than simply demand people 'learn to believe'.

Not everyone's as gullible as you.

Regards.
TV/MoviesRe: The Real Problem With Nollywood by Jen33(m): 2:22am On Feb 20, 2007
I'm tired of reading all this rubbish ''criticism'' by self-hating IDIOTS here.

Sit there and be hating, bastards.

Nollywood is watched all over the world now even as far away as Dominica, Barbados, Jamaica, and Black America, including of course French and English/Portuguese speaking Africa where sub-titled versions are effected.

The third largest movie industry in the world worth at least $800 million in annual revenue is not something for IDIOTIC SELF-HATING NIT-WITS and AIR-HEADS who've contributed NOTHING THEMSELVES to Nigeria or Africa to sniff their noses at.

I walk into a Jamaican hairdressers in London and all they watch is Nollywood movies.

I walk into a Bajan hairdressers in London and all they watch is Nollywood movies. On their shelves are stacked rows and rows of Nollywood movies,

For the first time non-Africans get to see what Africa is really about devoid of sensationalist misrepresentation by western media.

Production is improving, acting is improving, directing is improving, and if you don't see this it is because you do not watch Nollywood movies on any sort of regular basis.

So SHUT THE FUUK UP AND STOP RUBBISHING WHAT YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT.
Christianity EtcRe: Slavery And The Bible by Jen33(op): 9:39am On Feb 19, 2007
Backslider, so Jesus said Love your neighbour as yourself?

Does 'your neighbour' include slaves?

The same 'Jesus' said:

''The slave will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly."  (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

So, are slaves included in this love, Mr brainwashed Ghanaman?
Christianity EtcRe: Slavery And The Bible by Jen33(op): 6:23am On Feb 19, 2007
The silliest rationalisation Christians profer for the dilemma and embarassment of their Bible's support for slavery is that ''it was a common practice at the time''.

But one would have thought that that would be PRECISELY why the Bible would be opposed to it, and one of it's main reasons for being - ie tackling the ills at the time that caused human suffering.

If this argument made sense, WHY would God have any problems with  ANY 'sin' committed today? A 'sinner' would argue (with some merit) that just as slavery was common in Bible days, when the Bible supported it, so too is embezzlement today, or homosexuality, or fornication, or murder, child-trafficking, prostitution and drug addiction.

All those 'sins' are ''the in thing'' today, so by extension, the Bible MUST support and encourage those things today.

Just as it supported SLAVERY in the Bible.
Christianity EtcRe: Slavery And The Bible by Jen33(op): 6:09am On Feb 19, 2007
Seun said:
Hehehe. The New Testament doesn't condemn slavery, but instead regulates it by commanding slave obedience.
To be honest I don't know which I find funnier, that, or Backslider's half-assed rationalisations above. grin
TV/MoviesRe: Genevieve Nnaji for Hollywood? by Jen33(m): 7:23pm On Feb 18, 2007
More important is WHY should we be expecting her to go to Hollywood?
Christianity EtcRe: Slavery And The Bible by Jen33(op): 4:12pm On Feb 18, 2007
Thanks for reminding us that the book is a work of fiction, something that escapes our colonised die-hards here.
Christianity EtcSlavery And The Bible by Jen33(op): 3:56pm On Feb 18, 2007
Surprise surprise: THE BIBLE SUPPORTS SLAVERY  grin

Except for murder, slavery has got to be one of the most immoral things a person can get involved in.  Yet slavery is rampant throughout the Bible in both the Old and New Testaments.  The Bible clearly approves of slavery in many passages, and it goes as far as to advise on how to obtain slaves, how hard you can beat them, and when you can have sex with the female slaves.  grin 

Many Jews and Christians will try to ignore the moral problems of slavery by saying that these slaves were actually servants or indentured servants.  Many translations of the Bible use the word "servant", "bondservant", or "manservant" instead of "slave" to make the Bible seem less immoral than it really is.  While many slaves may have worked as household servants, that doesn't mean that they were not slaves who were bought, sold, and treated worse than livestock.

The following passage shows that slaves are clearly property to be bought and sold like livestock.

''However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you.  You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land.  You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance.  You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.''  (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT) (Thanks ''Lord'', for teaching us to be racist.)  grin


The following passage describes how the Hebrew slaves are to be treated.

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years.  Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom.  If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year.  But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. 

If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master.  But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children.  I would rather not go free.'  If he does this, his master must present him before God.  Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl.  After that, the slave will belong to his master forever.
  (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)


Notice how they can get a male Hebrew slave to become a permanent slave by keeping his wife and children hostage until he says he wants to become a permanent slave.  What kind of family values are these?


The following passage describes the sickening practice of sex slavery.  How can anyone think it is moral to sell your own daughter as a sex slave?

''When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.  If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.  But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.  And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter.  If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife.  If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.''  (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)


So these are the Bible family values!  A man can buy as many sex slaves as he wants as long as he feeds them, clothes them, and FUUKS them!


What does the Bible say about beating slaves?  It says you can beat both male and female slaves with a rod so hard that as long as they don't die right away you are cleared of any wrong doing!

''When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished.  If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property.''  (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)


You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.

''Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear.  Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.''  (Ephesians 6:5 NLT) (This quote actually means that the Bible considers it a sin for slaves to revolt, and that if the Bible had its way, blacks would still be slaves in America, Brazil, and the Caribbean)  cool


''Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed.  If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful.  You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts.  Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.''  (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)


In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.

''The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly.  Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given."  (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

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Just another day in the hypocrisy and doublespeak-laden book erroneously referred to  as ''God's word'' by some deluded individuals calling themselves born again Christians.

I suppose you all support SLAVERY too, just like your ''Holy'' Bible does. grin
Christianity EtcRe: Why Do Nigerians Practice A Religion That Was Brought By Arab Swordsmen Forcibly by Jen33(m): 3:40pm On Feb 18, 2007
THERE'S LITTLE OR NO DIFFERENCE between the colonisation of the African mind either via Islam, or via Christianity.

They're both just as bad as each other.
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Fantasy by Jen33(m): 3:28pm On Feb 18, 2007
Well I guess what he was trying to ask was if women felt a sexual attraction to their Jesus, which it must be said, is a completely legitimate inquiry on his part.

I really don't see what the great hulabaloo is here. Why won't the women give him a straight answer?

Or maybe they ARE clandestinely attracted sexually to Jesus, ''the Christ''.  cool

I mean, if all the men were losing their marbles over some female 'goddess' (and a white one at that) methinks the womenfolk would entertain similar questions regarding the men's intentions and possible hidden desires.
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Christ Did Not Exist by Jen33(op): 4:59pm On Feb 17, 2007
jagunlabi, like others before you, you've come to feel the unmistakeable ring of truth emanating from many of these NDE accounts.  

I suggest you read more of them at www.near-death.com to gain even more insight into  what really goes on afterlife devoid of the religious garb put on it by control freaks in funny gowns.

There's something about the truth that just lets you know it's it.   grin
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Christ Did Not Exist by Jen33(op): 4:47pm On Feb 17, 2007
Bad Jen! Very very bad!  

Muslims do the same thing ie, walk around being nice to everyone but inwardly thinking we are infidels worthy of death! You also do the same thinking that we born agains are brainwashed zombies regurgitating false doctrine.
So what makes you any different.
Trini girl, even you must admit it's one thing considering others ever so deluded while another entirely to assume they're condemned to eternal suffering in some burning fire on God's orders.

I also think Muslim fundamentalists are tragically deluded.

Any religion that supposes it alone holds the key to salvation, is seriously deluded.

Any person believing his/her religion to be the only true path to God is seriously deluded and in need of radical mental reconfiguration.
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Christ Did Not Exist by Jen33(op): 2:16pm On Feb 17, 2007
grin grin

A lot of people here can't stand the fact that everyone, and not just them, is already saved, and has ALWAYS been saved.

A remarkable combination of selfishness and ignorance if I ever saw one.  grin

Christians, especially of the ''born-again'' hue are a strange lot.

They walk around smiling and joking with people, all the while believing 99% of such people are destined for eternal suffering in hellfire.

What a way to live.

Astonishingly, the audacious self-centredness of such a position is entirely lost on them, owing to their tragically effective indoctrination.

Pathetic. cool
Christianity EtcRe: Jesus Christ Did Not Exist by Jen33(op): 3:08am On Feb 16, 2007
Mellen-Thomas Benedict's NDE


Mellen-Thomas Benedict is an artist who survived a near-death experience in 1982. He was dead for over an hour and a half after dying of cancer. At the time of his death, he rose up out of his body and went into the light. Curious about the universe, he was taken far into the remote depths of existence, and even beyond, into the energetic void of nothingness behind the Big Bang. During his experience, he was able to learn a great deal of information concerning reincarnation. Because of his near-death experience, he was able to bring back scientific discoveries.

Mr. Benedict has been closely involved in the mechanics of cellular communication and research dealing with the relationship of light to life called Quantum Biology. This research is providing dramatic new perspectives on how biological systems work. Mr. Benedict has found that living cells can respond very quickly to light stimulation resulting in, among other things, high speed healing. He is a researcher, inventor and lecturer who holds six U.S. patents.

Several weeks after Benedict was born, he experienced an NDE when his bowels were
ruptured. His body was tossed to one side as a corpse, yet much to everyone's surprise he was later revived. As soon as he was big enough to grab hold of crayons, he started what became a compulsive urge to create symbolic renditions of the black/white yin/yang circles of Eastern religious thought. He has no memory of why he drew those particular symbols.

He spent his grade school years in a Catholic boarding school in Vermont, and was baptized in the Salvation Army religion as a youngster. He traveled extensively because of a military stepfather until the family finally settled down in Fayetteville, North Carolina.

Then, Benedict was diagnosed as having inoperable cancer. He had retired from the frenzy of filmdom by then and was operating his own stained-glass studio. As his condition worsened, he spent more and more time with his art. One morning he awakened knowing he would die the next day, and he did.

As the typical heaven-like scenario began to unfold, Benedict recognized what was happening as it was happening. The process was familiar to him because he had read many books about the near-death phenomenon previously.

Mr. Benedict's NDE is reprinted here by the permission of his friends Dr. Lee Worth Bailey and Jenny Yates. Their excellent book entitled The Near-Death Experience: A Reader, published by Routledge, New York, in 1996, is highly recommended. A portion of his near-death experience also appears in P.M.H. Atwater's book, Beyond the Light. Concerning Mellen's near-death experience, Dr. Ken Ring remarked, "His story is one of the most remarkable I have encountered in my extensive research on near-death experiences."

P.M.H. Atwater has the following to say about Mellen-Thomas Benedict:

"I can attest that his case is genuine and his claims about the brain tumor and the conditions of his death are true. I have met his mother and step-father, been in his and their homes, and have followed his life since - his struggles and his accomplishments - as he sought to find a way to integrate his experience into his daily life while still honoring the mission he felt guided to fulfill."


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The Road to Death

In 1982 I died from terminal cancer. The condition I had was inoperable, and any kind of chemotherapy they could give me would just have made me more of a vegetable. I was given six to eight months to live. I had been an information freak in the 1970's, and I had become increasingly despondent over the nuclear crisis, the ecology crisis, and so forth. So, since I did not have a spiritual basis, I began to believe that nature had made a mistake, and that we were probably a cancerous organism on the planet. I saw no way that we could get out from all the problems we had created for ourselves and the planet. I perceived all humans as cancer, and that is what I got. That is what killed me. Be careful what your world view is. It can feed back on you, especially if it is a negative world view. I had a seriously negative one. That is what led me into my death. I tried all sorts of alternative healing methods, but nothing helped.

So I determined that this was really just between me and God. I had never really faced God before, or even dealt with God. I was not into any kind of spirituality at the time, but I began a journey into learning about spirituality and alternative healing. I set out to do all the reading I could and bone up on the subject, because I did not want to be surprised on the other side. So I started reading on various religions and philosophies. They were all very interesting, and gave hope that there was something on the other side.

On the other hand, as a self-employed stained-glass artist at the time, I had no medical insurance whatsoever. So my life savings went overnight in testing. Then I was facing the medical profession without any kind of insurance. I did not want to have my family dragged down financially, so I determined to handle this myself. There was not constant pain, but there were black-outs. I got so that I would not dare to drive, and eventually I ended up in hospice care. I had my own personal hospice caretaker. I was very blessed by this angel who went through the last part of this with me. I lasted about eighteen months. I did not want to take a lot of drugs, since I wanted to be as conscious as possible. Then I experienced such pain that I had nothing but pain in my consciousness, luckily only for a few days at a time.


The Light of God

I remember waking up one morning at home about 4:30 am, and I just knew that this was it. This was the day I was going to die. So I called a few friends and said goodbye. I woke up my hospice caretaker and told her. I had a private agreement with her that she would leave my dead body alone for six hours, since I had read that all kinds of interesting things happen when you die. I went back to sleep. The next thing I remember is the beginning of a typical near-death experience. Suddenly I was fully aware and I was standing up, but my body was in the bed.

There was this darkness around me. Being out of my body was even more vivid than ordinary experience. It was so vivid that I could see every room in the house, I could see the top of the house, I could see around the house, I could see under the house.

There was this light shining. I turned toward the light. The light was very similar to what many other people have described in their near-death experiences. It was so magnificent. It is tangible; you can feel it. It is alluring; you want to go to it like you would want to go to your ideal mother's or father's arms.

As I began to move toward the light, I knew intuitively that if I went to the light, I would be dead.

So as I was moving toward the light I said, "Please wait a minute, just hold on a second here. I want to think about this; I would like to talk to you before I go."

To my surprise, the entire experience halted at that point. You are indeed in control of your near-death experience. You are not on a roller coaster ride. So my request was honored and I had some conversations with the light. The light kept changing into different figures, like Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, mandalas, archetypal images and signs.

I asked the light, "What is going on here? Please, light, clarify yourself for me. I really want to know the reality of the situation."

I cannot really say the exact words, because it was sort of telepathy. The light responded. The information transferred to me was that your beliefs shape the kind of feedback you are getting before the light. If you were a Buddhist or Catholic or Fundamentalist, you get a feedback loop of your own stuff. You have a chance to look at it and examine it, but most people do not.

As the light revealed itself to me, I became aware that what I was really seeing was our Higher Self matrix. The only thing I can tell you is that it turned into a matrix, a mandala of human souls, and what I saw was that what we call our Higher Self in each of us is a matrix. It's also a conduit to the Source; each one of us comes directly, as a direct experience from the Source. We all have a Higher Self, or an oversoul part of our being. It revealed itself to me in its truest energy form. The only way I can really describe it is that the being of the Higher Self is more like a conduit. It did not look like that, but it is a direct connection to the Source that each and every one of us has. We are directly connected to the Source.

So the light was showing me the Higher Self matrix. And it became very clear to me that all the Higher Selves are connected as one being, all humans are connected as one being, we are actually the same being, different aspects of the same being. It was not committed to one particular religion. So that is what was being fed back to me. And I saw this mandala of human souls. It was the most beautiful thing I have ever seen. I just went into it and, it was just overwhelming. It was like all the love you've every wanted, and it was the kind of love that cures, heals, regenerates.

As I asked the light to keep explaining, I understood what the Higher Self matrix is. We have a grid around the planet where all the Higher Selves are connected. This is like a great company, a next subtle level of energy around us, the spirit level, you might say.

Then, after a couple of minutes, I asked for more clarification. I really wanted to know what the universe is about, and I was ready to go at that time.

I said, "I am ready, take me."

Then the light turned into the most beautiful thing that I have ever seen: a mandala of human souls on this planet.

Now I came to this with my negative view of what has happened on the planet. So as I asked the light to keep clarifying for me, I saw in this magnificent mandala how beautiful we all are in our essence, our core. We are the most beautiful creations. The human soul, the human matrix that we all make together is absolutely fantastic, elegant, exotic, everything. I just cannot say enough about how it changed my opinion of human beings in that instant.

I said, "Oh, God, I did not know how beautiful we are."

At any level, high or low, in whatever shape you are in, you are the most beautiful creation, you are.

I was astonished to find that there was no evil in any soul.

I said, "How can this be?"

The answer was that no soul was inherently evil. The terrible things that happened to people might make them do evil things, but their souls were not evil. What all people seek, what sustains them, is love, the light told me. What distorts people is a lack of love.

The revelations coming from the light seemed to go on and on, then I asked the light, "Does this mean that humankind will be saved?"

Then, like a trumpet blast with a shower of spiraling lights, the Great Light spoke, saying, "Remember this and never forget; you save, redeem and heal yourself. You always have. You always will. You were created with the power to do so from before the beginning of the world."

In that instant I realized even more. I realized that WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN SAVED, and we saved ourselves because we were designed to self-correct like the rest of God's universe. This is what the second coming is about.

I thanked the light of God with all my heart. The best thing I could come up with was these simple words of totally appreciation:

"Oh dear God, dear Universe, dear Great Self, I love my life."

The light seemed to breathe me in even more deeply. It was as if the light was completely absorbing me. The love light is, to this day, indescribable. I entered into another realm, more profound than the last, and became aware of something more, much more. It was an enormous stream of light, vast and full, deep in the heart of life. I asked what this was.

The light responded, "This is the RIVER OF LIFE. Drink of this manna water to your heart's content."

So I did. I took one big drink and then another. To drink of life Itself! I was in ecstasy.

Then the light said, "You have a desire."

The light knew all about me, everything past, present and future.

"Yes!" I whispered.

I asked to see the rest of the universe; beyond our solar system, beyond all human illusion. The light then told me that I could go with the Stream. I did, and was carried through the light at the end of the tunnel. I felt and heard a series of very soft sonic booms. What a rush!

Suddenly I seemed to be rocketing away from the planet on this stream of life. I saw the earth fly away. The solar system, in all its splendor, whizzed by and disappeared. At faster than light speed, I flew through the center of the galaxy, absorbing more knowledge as I went. I learned that this galaxy, and all of the universe, is bursting with many different varieties of LIFE. I saw many worlds. The good news is that we are not alone in this universe!

As I rode this stream of consciousness through the center of the galaxy, the stream was expanding in awesome fractal waves of energy. The super clusters of galaxies with all their ancient wisdom flew by. At first I thought I was going somewhere; actually traveling. But then I realized that, as the stream was expanding, my own consciousness was also expanding to take in everything in the universe! All creation passed by me. It was an unimaginable wonder! I truly was a wonder child; a babe in Wonderland!

It seemed as if all the creations in the universe soared by me and vanished in a speck of light. Almost immediately, a second light appeared. It came from all sides, and was so different; a light made up of more than every frequency in the universe.

I felt and heard several velvety sonic booms again. My consciousness, or being, was expanding to interface with the entire holographic universe and more.

As I passed into the second light, the awareness came to me that I had just transcended the truth. Those are the best words I have for it, but I will try to explain. As I passed into the second light, I expanded beyond the first light. I found myself in a profound stillness, beyond all silence. I could see or perceive FOREVER, beyond infinity. I was in the void. I was in pre-creation, before the Big Bang. I had crossed over the beginning of time - the first word - the first vibration. I was in the eye of creation. I felt as if I was touching the face of God. It was not a religious feeling. Simply I was at one with absolute life and consciousness.

When I say that I could see or perceive forever, I mean that I could experience all of creation generating itself. It was without beginning and without end. That's a mind-expanding thought, isn't it? Scientists perceive the Big Bang as a single event which created the universe. I saw that the Big Bang is only one of an infinite number of Big Bangs creating universes endlessly and simultaneously. The only images that even come close in human terms would be those created by supercomputers using fractal geometry equations.

The ancients knew of this. They said Godhead periodically created new universes by breathing out, and de-creating other universes by breathing in. These epochs were called yugas. Modern science called this the Big Bang. I was in absolute, pure consciousness. I could see or perceive all the Big Bangs or yugas creating and de-creating themselves. Instantly I entered into them all simultaneously. I saw that each and every little piece of creation has the power to create. It is very difficult to try to explain this. I am still speechless about this.

It took me years after I returned to assimilate any words at all for the void experience. I can tell you this now; the void is less than nothing, yet more than everything that is! The void is absolute zero; chaos forming all possibilities. It is absolute consciousness; much more than even universal intelligence.

Where is the void? I know. The void is inside and outside everything. You, right now even while you live, are always inside and outside the void simultaneously. You don't have to go anywhere or die to get there. The void is the vacuum or nothingness between all physical manifestations. The SPACE between atoms and their components. Modern science has begun to study this space between everything. They call it zero-point. Whenever they try to measure it, their instruments go off the scale, or to infinity, so to speak. They have no way, as of yet, to measure infinity accurately. There is more of the zero space in your own body and the universe than anything else!

What mystics call the void is not a void. It is so full of energy, a different kind of energy that has created everything that we are. Everything since the Big Bang is vibration, from the first word, which is the first vibration.

The Biblical "I am" really has a question mark after it.

"I am? What am I?"

So creation is God exploring God's Self through every way imaginable, in an ongoing, infinite exploration through every one of us. Through every piece of hair on your head, through every leaf on every tree, through every atom, God is exploring God's Self, the great "I am". I began to see that everything that is, is the Self, literally, your Self, my Self. Everything is the great Self. That is why God knows even when a leaf falls. That is possible because wherever you are is the center of the universe. Wherever any atom is, that is the center of the universe. There is God in that, and God in the void.

As I was exploring the void and all the yugas or creations, I was completely out of time and space as we know it. In this expanded state, I discovered that creation is about absolute pure consciousness, or God, coming into the experience of life as we know it. The void itself is devoid of experience. It is pre-life, before the first vibration. Godhead is about more than life and death. Therefore there is even more than life and death to experience in the universe!

I was in the void and I was aware of everything that had ever been created. It was like I was looking out of God's eyes. I had become God. Suddenly I wasn't me anymore. The only thing I can say, I was looking out of God's eyes. And suddenly I knew why every atom was, and I could see everything.

The interesting point was that I went into the void, I came back with this understanding that God is not there. God is here. That's what it is all about. So this constant search of the human race to go out and find God , God gave everything to us, everything is here - this is where it's at. And what we are into now is God's exploration of God through us. People are so busy trying to become God that they ought to realize that we are already God and God is becoming us. That's what it is really about.

When I realized this, I was finished with the void, and wanted to return to this creation, or yuga. It just seemed like the natural thing to do.

Then I suddenly came back through the second light, or the Big Bang, hearing several more velvet booms. I rode the stream of consciousness back through all of creation, and what a ride it was! The superclusters of galaxies came through me with even more insights. I passed through the center of our galaxy, which is a black hole. Black holes are the great processors or recyclers of the universe. Do you know what is on the other side of a black hole? We are; our galaxy; which has been reprocessed from another universe.

In its total energy configuration, the galaxy looked like a fantastic city of lights. All energy this side of the Big Bang is light. Every sub-atom, atom, star, planet, even consciousness itself is made of light and has a frequency and/or particle. Light is living stuff. Everything is made of light, even stones. So everything is alive. Everything is made from the light of God; everything is very intelligent.

The Light of Love

As I rode the stream on and on, I could eventually see a huge light coming. I knew it was the first light; the Higher Self light matrix of our solar system. Then the entire solar system appeared in the light, accompanied by one of those velvet booms.

I saw that the solar system we live in is our larger, local body. This is our local body and we are much bigger than we imagine. I saw that the solar system is our body. I am a part of this, and the earth is this great created being that we are, and we are the part of it that knows that it is. But we are only that part of it. We are not everything, but we are that part of it that knows that it is.

I could see all the energy that this solar system generates, and it is an incredible light show! I could hear the music of the spheres. Our solar system, as do all celestial bodies, generates a unique matrix of light, sound and vibratory energies. Advanced civilizations from other star systems can spot life as we know it in the universe by the vibratory or energy matrix imprint. It is child's play. The earth's wonder child (human beings) make an abundance of sound right now, like children playing in the backyard of the universe.

I rode the stream directly into the center of the light. I felt embraced by the light as it took me in with its breath again, followed by another soft sonic boom.

I was in this great light of love with the stream of life flowing through me. I have to say again, it is the most loving, non-judgmental light. It is the ideal parent for this wonder child.

"What now?" I wondered.

The light explained to me that there is no death; we are immortal beings. We have already been alive forever! I realized that we are part of a natural living system that recycles itself endlessly. I was never told that I had to come back. I just knew that I would. It was only natural, from what I had seen.

I don't know how long I was with the light, in human time. But there came a moment when I realized that all my questions had been answered and my return was near. When I say that all my questions were answered on the other side, I mean to say just that. All my questions have been answered. Every human has a different life and set of questions to explore. Some of our questions are universal, but each of us is exploring this thing we call life in our own unique way. So is every other form of life, from mountains to every leaf on every tree.

And that is very important to the rest of us in this universe. Because it all contributes to the Big Picture, the fullness of life. We are literally God exploring God's Self in an infinite Dance of Life. Your uniqueness enhances all of life.

His Return to Earth

As I began my return to the life cycle, it never crossed my mind, nor was I told, that I would return to the same body. It just did not matter. I had complete trust in the light and the life process. As the stream merged with the great light, I asked never to forget the revelations and the feelings of what I had learned on the other side.

There was a "Yes." It felt like a kiss to my soul.

Then I was taken back through the light into the vibratory realm again. The whole process reversed, with even more information being given to me. I came back home, and I was given lessons on the mechanics of reincarnation. I was given answers to all those little questions I had:

"How does this work? How does that work?" I knew that I would be reincarnated.

The earth is a great processor of energy, and individual consciousness evolves out of that into each one of us. I thought of myself as a human for the first time, and I was happy to be that. From what I have seen, I would be happy to be an atom in this universe. An atom. So to be the human part of God , this is the most fantastic blessing. It is a blessing beyond our wildest estimation of what blessing can be. For each and every one of us to be the human part of this experience is awesome, and magnificent. Each and every one of us, no matter where we are, screwed up or not, is a blessing to the planet, right where we are.

So I went through the reincarnation process expecting to be a baby somewhere. But I was given a lesson on how individual identity and consciousness evolve. So I reincarnated back into this body.

I was so surprised when I opened my eyes. I do not know why, because I understood it, but it was still such a surprise to be back in this body, back in my room with someone looking over me crying her eyes out. It was my hospice caretaker. She had given up an hour and a half after finding me dead. She was sure I was dead; all the signs of death were there - I was getting stiff. We do not know how long I was dead, but we do know that it was an hour and a half since I was found. She honored my wish to have my newly dead body left alone for a few hours as much as she could. We had an amplified stethoscope and many ways of checking out the vital functions of the body to see what was happening. She can verify that I really was dead.

It was not a near-death experience. I experienced death itself for at least an hour and a half. She found me dead and checked the stethoscope, blood pressure and heart rate monitor for an hour and a half. Then I awakened and saw the light outside. I tried to get up to go to it, but I fell out of the bed. She heard a loud "clunk", ran in and found me on the floor.

When I recovered, I was very surprised and yet very awed about what had happened to me. At first all the memory of the trip that I have now was not there. I kept slipping out of this world and kept asking, "Am I alive?" This world seemed more like a dream than that one.

Within three days, I was feeling normal again, clearer, yet different than I had ever felt in my life. My memory of the journey came back later. I could see nothing wrong with any human being I had ever seen. Before that I was really judgmental. I thought a lot of people were really screwed up, in fact I thought that everybody was screwed up but me. But I got clear on all that.

About three months later a friend said I should get tested, so I went and got the scans and so forth. I really felt good, so I was afraid of getting bad news.

I remember the doctor at the clinic looking at the before and after scans, saying, "Well, there is nothing here now."

I said, "Really, it must be a miracle?"

He said, "No, these things happen, they are called spontaneous remission."

He acted very unimpressed. But here was a miracle, and I was impressed, even if no one else was.

The Lessons He Learned

The mystery of life has very little to do with intelligence. The universe is not an intellectual process at all. The intellect is helpful; it is brilliant, but right now that is all we process with, instead of our hearts and the wiser part of ourselves.

The center of the earth is this great transmuter of energy, just as you see in pictures of our earth's magnetic field. That's our cycle, pulling reincarnated souls back in and through it again. A sign that you are reaching human level is that you are beginning to evolve an individual consciousness. The animals have a group soul, and they reincarnate in group souls. A deer is pretty much going to be a deer forever. But just being born a human, whether deformed or genius, shows that you are on the path to developing an individual consciousness. That is in itself part of the group consciousness called humanity.

I saw that races are personality clusters. Nations like France, Germany and China each have their own personality. Cities have personalities, their local group souls that attract certain people. Families have group souls. Individual identity is evolving like branches of a fractal; the group soul explores in our individuality. The different questions that each of us has are very, very important. This is how Godhead is exploring God's Self - through you. So ask your questions, do your searching. You will find your Self and you will find God in that Self, because it is only the Self.

More than that, I began to see that each one of us humans are soul mates. We are part of the same soul fractaling out in many creative directions, but still the same. Now I look at every human being that I ever see, and I see a soul mate, my soul mate, the one I have always been looking for. Beyond that, the greatest soul mate that you will ever have is yourself. We are each both male and female. We experience this in the womb and we experience this in reincarnation states. If you are looking for that ultimate soul mate outside of yourself, you may never find it; it is not there. Just as God is not "there." God is here. Don't look "out there" for God. Look here for God. Look through your Self. Start having the greatest love affair you ever had , with your Self. You will love everything out of that.

I had a descent into what you might call hell, and it was very surprising. I did not see Satan or evil. My descent into hell was a descent into each person's customized human misery, ignorance, and darkness of not-knowing. It seemed like a miserable eternity. But each of the millions of souls around me had a little star of light always available. But no one seemed to pay attention to it. They were so consumed with their own grief, trauma and misery. But, after what seemed an eternity, I started calling out to that light, like a child calling to a parent for help. Then the light opened up and formed a tunnel that came right to me an insulated me from all that fear and pain. That is what hell really is.

So what we are doing is learning to hold hands, to come together. The doors of hell are open now. We are going to link up, hold hands, and walk out of hell together.

The light came to me and turned into a huge golden angel. I said, "Are you the angel of death?"

It expressed to me that it was my oversoul, my Higher Self matrix, a super-ancient part of ourselves. Then I was taken to the light.

Soon our science will quantify spirit. Isn't that going to be wonderful? We are coming up with devices now that are sensitive to subtle energy or spirit energy. Physicists use these atomic colliders to smash atoms to see what they are made of. They have got it down to quarks and charm, and all that. Well, one day they are going to come down to the little thing that holds it all together, and they are going to have to call that , God. With atomic colliders they are not only seeing what is in here, but they are creating particles. Thank God most of them are short-lived milliseconds and nanoseconds. We are just beginning to understand that we are creating too, as we go along.

As I saw forever, I came to a realm in which there is a point where we pass all knowledge and begin creating the next fractal, the next level. We have that power to create as we explore. And that is God expanding itself through us.

Since my return I have experienced the light spontaneously, and I have learned how to get to that space almost any time in my meditation. Each one of you can do this. You do not have to die to do this. It is within your equipment; you are wired for it already.

The body is the most magnificent light being there is. The body is a universe of incredible light. Spirit is not pushing us to dissolve this body. That is not what is happening. Stop trying to become God; God is becoming you. Here.

The mind is like a child running around the universe, demanding this and thinking it created the world. But I ask the mind:

"What did your mother have to do with this?"

That is the next level of spiritual awareness. Oh! My mother! All of a sudden you give up the ego, because you are not the only soul in the universe.

One of my questions to the light was, "What is heaven?"

I was given a tour of all the heavens that have been created: the Nirvanas, the Happy Hunting Grounds, all of them. I went through them. These are thought form creations that we have created. We don't really go to heaven; we are reprocessed. But whatever we created, we leave a part of ourselves there. It is real, but it is not all of the soul.

I saw the Christian heaven. We expect it to be a beautiful place, and you stand in front of the throne, worshipping forever. I tried it. It is boring! This is all we are going to do? It is childlike. I do not mean to offend anyone. Some heavens are very interesting, and some are very boring. I found the ancient ones to be more interesting, like the Native American ones, the Happy Hunting Grounds. The Egyptians have fantastic ones. It goes on and on. There are so many of them. In each of them there is a fractal that is your particular interpretation, unless you are part of the group soul that believes in only the God of a particular religion. Then you are very close, in the same ball park together. But even then, each is a little bit different. That is a part of yourself that you leave there. Death is about life, not about heaven.

I asked God, "What is the best religion on the planet? Which one is right?"

And Godhead said, with great love, "I don't care."

That was incredible grace. What that meant was that we are the caring beings here.

The Ultimate Godhead of all the stars tells us, "It does not matter what religion you are."

They come and they go, they change. Buddhism has not been here forever, Catholicism has not been here forever, and they are all about to become more enlightened. More light is coming into all systems now. There is going to be a reformation in spirituality that is going to be just as dramatic as the Protestant Reformation. There will be lots of people fighting about it, one religion against the next, believing that only they are right.

Everyone thinks they own God, the religions and philosophies, especially the religions, because they form big organizations around their philosophy. When Godhead said, "I don't care," I immediately understood that it is for us to care about. It is important, because we are the caring beings. It matters to us and that is where it is important. What you have is the energy equation in spirituality. Ultimate Godhead does not care if you are Protestant, Buddhist, or whatever. It is all a blooming facet of the whole. I wish that all religions would realize it and let each other be. It is not the end of each religion, but we are talking about the same God. Live and let live. Each has a different view. And it all adds up to the Big Picture; it is all important.

I went over to the other side with a lot of fears about toxic waste, nuclear missiles, the population explosion, the rainforest. I came back loving every single problem. I love nuclear waste. I love the mushroom cloud; this is the holiest mandala that we have manifested to date, as an archetype. It, more than any religion or philosophy on earth, brought us together all of a sudden, to a new level of consciousness. Knowing that maybe we can blow up the planet fifty times, or 500 times, we finally realize that maybe we are all here together now. For a period they had to keep setting off more bombs to get it in to us. Then we started saying, "We do not need this any more."

Now we are actually in a safer world than we have ever been in, and it is going to get safer. So I came back loving toxic waste, because it brought us together. These things are so big. As Peter Russell might say, these problems are now "soul size." Do we have soul size answers? YES!

The clearing of the rain forest will slow down, and in fifty years there will be more trees on the planet than in a long time. If you are into ecology, go for it; you are that part of the system that is becoming aware. Go for it with all your might, but do not be depressed. It is part of a larger thing.

Earth is in the process of domesticating itself. It is never again going to be as wild a place as it once was. There will be great wild places, reserves where nature thrives. Gardening and reserves will be the thing in the future. Population increase is getting very close to the optimal range of energy to cause a shift in consciousness. That shift in consciousness will change politics, money, energy.

What happens when we dream? We are multi-dimensional beings. We can access that through lucid dreaming. In fact, this universe is God's dream. One of the things that I saw is that we humans are a speck on a planet that is a speck in a galaxy that is a speck. Those are giant systems out there, and we are in sort of an average system. But human beings are already legendary throughout the cosmos of consciousness. The little bitty human being of Earth/Gaia is legendary. One of the things that we are legendary for is dreaming. We are legendary dreamers. In fact, the whole cosmos has been looking for the meaning of life, the meaning of it all. And it was the little dreamer who came up with the best answer ever. We dreamed it up. So dreams are important.

After dying and coming back, I really respect life and death. In our DNA experiments we may have opened the door to a great secret. Soon we will be able to live as long as we want to live in this body. After living 150 years or so, there will be an intuitive soul sense that you will want to change channels. Living forever in one body is not as creative as reincarnation, as transferring energy in this fantastic vortex of energy that we are in. We are actually going to see the wisdom of life and death, and enjoy it.

As it is now, we have already been alive forever. This body that you are in, has been alive forever. It comes from an unending stream of life, going back to the Big Bang and beyond. This body gives life to the next life, in dense and subtle energy. This body has been alive forever already.

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