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Skepticus:
The person you tagged is not poor nor average by Nigerian standards plus he is married. Life teaches us all.

I'm not a fan of permanently living with a woman and I have my own reasons for that from my personality to the unrealistic slavery standards set and the dangers lying in it for men in modern marriage. This is not to discourage others from marrying nor engaging with women in some form of permanent relationship. Just know what you are getting into and ways to minimize the risks.

The "hard" patriarchy (Full dominance of the husband or father-figure) which you advocate (I also observe same with young, idealistic red pill converts on this thread and other forum espousing this idea) is highly impracticable in the 21st century (where women rights and emancipation has swept the globe like wildfire from highly conservative societies to the liberal ones) unless you go to some pre-modern society to pick a woman who would wholly worship your feet. One that emmaodet is very aware of being married in this modern age.

DEMZEE, there is nothing beta about a woman contributing in marriage in this modern day. If you disagree, reality will teach you better. If you are meeting a woman in this age, you'll meet one with some form of education, or skill or even both. Where she lacks both, she probably has some exposure. Hard patriarchy was easy those days as survival was basic and at a subsistence level. Society was closed and women's hypergamy was highly restricted. There were consequences for a woman showing negative sides of her hypergamy, so she behaved herself and worshipped the man she was betrothed to.

Today, growing population of humans and economic unpredictability and other factors beyond the capacity of an individual is putting so much stress on men as sole provider. With women entering the work force on merit and feminist quotas, it gets even tougher for men. In reality, Only a very low percentage of men around the globe are able to wholly provide in life and in death. Men are increasingly getting their wives to bring in income to support the family system. A man who don't have that much resources to be able to wholly provide as a hard patriarch in the modern day reality is only a "suffer-head slave" and the more he makes his woman not to "invest" in the relationship will make it easier for the woman to move on, enjoying her "loot" knowing that there is no law even in modern conservative society that will "punish" her for leaving her man (the liberal ones would even "celebrate" her for being a "strong independent woman who knows her right" ).

For me, it is okay for men who seek to marry (or permanently cohabit with women) to do that to take the physical and psychological pressure that comes with a diminishing hard patriarchy and masculine ego in light of social and economic realities but make sure that they work hard to contribute the highest share of provisioning and leading with their partners in tow. I was raised by a dominant father who had that kind of arrangement with my mum. If my mum had not contributed in a way, she could leave at anytime without consequences as she has no "investment" worthy of securing in her relationship with my dad.

Zabiboy:
Thank you
The answer to the bolded is NO.
As far as i'm concerned, in this Naija, Genuine desire is pure B.S (except she's the one spending the money)..
Man... These girls would do anything for the money. Some are looking for what to eat, others are looking for where to sleep etc etc. So as a guy doing well for yourself, you'll see millions of greenlights, chosen signals, genuine desire, But ALL NA SCAM.. They are all there for the resources..

Whats the best way to filter them? tell them to invest. Not useless things like submission, cooking,cleaning,fertility, babies sex etc etc.. Invest Financially or something tangible ( maybe connections to boost your hustle as a guy) . something that they cant wake up one morning and leave behind ( which then goes down to not dealing with broke ladies).. Getting them to invest financially keeps the guy one foot ahead.

The question then is, How many can invest? Because this is where the game is won and lost

Babangidayaro:
1. Most baby mamas will give you hell on earth. It’s not as easy as you make it seem. I know a lot of men that are going through baby mama hell. Trust me they are suffering and regretting.

2. Most baby mamas don’t give a fukk about how you feel or your health. They just want your support money. If they cared so much about you, they will not be your baby mama. This is a fact.

3. Sleeping with your baby mama is as good as sleeping with a prostitute. Lots of diseases.

4. Baby mamas come with lots of baggages especially when they have kids with other men and/or are married/in relationships with other men. You don’t want to be watching your back all the time especially if the man is a bum as you put it.

5. Baby mama children most times are raised by their mothers. Why will they care about you when you are sick or dying in the hospital? Elon Musk, Kanye West, etc have children that they rarely see. Elon’s kids really don’t give two shits about him. You think they will be there when he’s dying in the hospital?

6. Having children does not guarantee that you will not be lonely in old age. Same way not having children does not mean that a man will be lonely in old age. Good health is the key here. A man that ages well and grows old with good health has so many adventures to keep him busy. This could even involve dating women.

7. I maintain that children raised by baby mamas generally don’t turn out right. A lot of negative influences around them. Most children need a father figure who’s consistently in their lives. Fact!

8. A man doesn’t have to be married to be fulfilled in life. Same way a man does not need to have children if he doesn’t want to.

The worst thing a man can do to himself is to go the baby mama way to have children just to avoid being lonely in old age. Recipe for a very stressful life. Know this and know peace.

Kipaji:
It's true. The red pill and this thread are much more about getting sex and more sex, than being good in bed. Being good in bed is not given half as much attention as getting sex. The truth is, putting prostitutes and oloshos asides, the average man out there has a HARD time getting ANY sex. Men who get sex regularly are the minority. Plus, most men in relationships are one break up away from being an incel.

Skepticus:
I've been waiting for the day the issue of rich, popular celebrities having multiple baby mamas in gynocentric society will surface so that I can give my perspective on it.

The only knowledge to pick from their issues is that having a high sexual market value, especially in entertainment (Music and Sports especially) where there is a lot of flashiness (fast luxury cars, Jewelries, fancy luxurious clothings and other entrapments of wealth) would attract women (mostly vain gold diggers seeking for a maga who has the resources to cater for her and her child). These women don't mind sharing you with others as far as the MONTHLY CHILD SUPPORT PAYMENTS and other benefits are assured.

Getting money and fame as a male entertainer isn't a bad thing. Money makes way for a man and it is red pill to spin plates but when spinning plates leads to multiple baby mamas in these societies, it's a blue pilled move in the long run and you end up where the society wants you, a disposable rich slave for the system and women that will be left for "dead" when he serves no purpose anymore.

These western women may portray themselves as the victims of "falling in love" with a philandering celebrity but that's bullshiit to the discerning red pilled mind. It is known that these women deliberately choose to have babies for these celebrities knowing that with the gynocentric laws of their countries, they have an "ATM Machine" that will keep paying them till he is wrecked.

It may look like these celebrities are making the best decisions in having multiple baby mamas but the baby mamas are the true winners (red pilled realists) in the end, having a rich slave for retirement while still exploring her options with other beta cuckolds who will simp with his commitment and resources after falling for the lie she brings that she (now an alpha widow might be baby mamas to a lot of men and that is a red flag) was a victim being treated badly by the rich celebrity. Most are SIMPs whose high sexual market value make them a target for gold digging leeches.

These rappers, sportsmen etc involved in the multiple baby mamas thing are setting themselves up for a future where they are likely to go bankrupt when the money and the fame is no longer there. There are numerous examples of rich american entertainment celebrities in the 80s and 90 who had more than 2 baby mamas, and are broke now, after losing almost all their retirement money in child support payments. The prominent ones I can remember now is Shawn Kemp (Retired NBA Basketball Player who had 9 baby mamas) and Karl Malone (Another retired NBA Player with 7 baby mamas). These two players earned more than 300 Million Dollars individually, during their playing career with these ladies flocking around them like flies. In fact, when Shawn Kemp recently try to recover financially and got a grant of 300, 000 dollars to pick up again, these women found out and with help of their gynocentric court, they got their portion of the money. The dude almost committed suicide. I also learnt that paying monthly child support for many years took a toll on DMX. If you earn that bag and even want to simp or have baby mamas, do it with sense. Men have weak system of support in old age unlike women. Your money should be contributed to investments that shore up your future. Not in excessive spending on gold digging whores.