₦airaland Forum

Odunayaw:
Weeps

lionel4power:
Many of us have been in this thread long enough, and I thought some of us are actually learning something.

How many times have we been enlightened here that being modular doesn't automatically mean it can easily be outfitted with anti-ship missile in time for conflict?

The navy can't just wake up on morning and decide to outfit missiles on an unarmed OPV, the OPV in question will have to be fitted with the specific fire control system which in turn will be tied to an overall combat management system. which in turn will be connected to sensors, radars, sonars and then the weapons system for it to work.

All this must be done with the OEM consent and requires expertise assistance beyond regular shipbuilding. In naval ships, modularity does not equate plug and play. This has been said here many times than I count. When they say something is modular, it means it can adapt to different scenarios and can change it's mission set over time, it does not necessarily mean that it's easy to do or quick.

Secondly, to outfit a ship with anti-ship missiles even though modular would require sophisticated equipment which I doubt Nigeria possesses. Even if Nigeria has such, outfitting a ship would take at least six to eight months.

Just upgrading a ships hardware and software takes north of eight months. Most take at least a year. Judging from the USN annual deployment routine.

Dearsan OPV modular yes! fitted for but no missile acquired or paid for. One question, where would the navy get the missiles to fit the OPV from? Will they conjure them from thin air?

Now lastly, Even if a vessel is modular, you'll need to train the crew, technicians, and senior officers to outfit, man, and fire the missiles in time of war.

This requires specific training on missile firing process, guidance systems, and general warfare on the said vessel. Now it begs the question. Is Dearsan training Nigerians on how to man and FIRE missiles from the OPV?

The answer is likely NO.

In summary, to refit a modular vessel to fire missiles in time of crises will take upward of a year because you must first buy the missiles (with all the International bureaucracy involved), train the crew to man and fire the missile (at least 6 months) and the actual outfitting process. (at least 8 months)

By that time you'll have been thoroughly beaten by your opponent. A ship in maintenance or not in the fight at the start of war is as good as irrelevant. Ask the Ukrainian navy for their lesson notes.

Even the NN doesn't envision an aggressive role for the OPV as the naval admiral was clearly quoted “ The Admiral also emphasized the importance of these vessels to carry out maritime interdiction operations, surveillance and special forces operations as well as provide naval fire support to land forces, saying:

The OPVs will also be capable of conducting search and rescue operations, anti-piracy, anti-smuggling and anti-drug trafficking operations and disaster relief operations among others.”

Nowhere did he mention anti-ship or surface warfare operations.

Some time ago, some one mentioned that our Chinese OPVs has enough deck space for a VLS missile system between the bridge and the main 72 mm gun. I remember that person was schooled thoroughly here.


Tomorrow someone will say our Nigerian made seaward defence boats are modular therefore, they're light destroyers.

Omofaye99:
Evidence please

kabe1:
You are high or what?

kabe1:
What sort of delusions are these for Christ's sake?

Omofaye99:
Now answer the question. Does South Africa spend more than Nigeria in the past 4 years?

MAN1960:
I know your problem with this report, it's because south Africa has the lowest budget among the top 5.

Tell me do you think South Africa in the past three years spends more than Nigeria in defense budget? If you say yes to this question then you will have to explain how Nigeria buy weapons every year and South Africa don't and you still have to explain how many brigades are in the south Africa army and the total number of military personnel's in but Nations so that we can understand you better

MAN1960:
I know your problem with this report, it's because south Africa has the lowest budget among the top 5.

Tell me do you think South Africa in the past three years spends more than Nigeria in defense budget? If you say yes to this question then you will have to explain how Nigeria buy weapons every year and South Africa don't and you still have to explain how many brigades are in the south Africa army and the total number of military personnel's in but Nations so that we can understand you better

kabe1:
The Armscor announcement, to which SAS had not responded at the time of publication, ends a process that started in July 2014 when Armscor issued a tender for a new hydrographic platform for the Navy.

MAN1960:
So this year Nigeria has 2.8 billion dollars to spend on recruitment, military infrastructure, arms purchase and recurrent expenditures AND WE ALREADY SPENT ABOUT 1 BILLION Dollars ON 12 ATTACK HELICOPTERS AND STILL ORDERED 2 SHIPS

Nigeria spend money on defense from two sources

1 Frome the national budget
2 from the executive covers( money giving to the president or to the executive arm of government to enable it carry out it's duties)

Go make some research and you see that the Nigerian armed forces always spends more than it's defense budget.

Thank you sir ( the only man that knows the defense budget of every country in the world)

Odunayaw:
How many times do we have to tell you we run Extra budgetary allocations over here?

Odunayaw:
Unrelated to your back and forth with Kate

But what OPV is it nearly as big as? The P18Ns or the coming one from Dearsan

kabe1:
You have 1 IPV in service for a contract signed in 2018.

5 years for 1 IPV.

Your Project Hotel is nearly 30 years old, yet no Hydrographic ship to show for it.

You are hopelessly delusional.

kabe1:
Maintained and still gounded.

You are moronic.

kabe1:
You have 1 IPV in service for a contract signed in 2018.

5 years for 1 IPV.

Your Project Hotel is nearly 30 years old, yet no Hydrographic ship to show for it.

You are hopelessly delusional.

kabe1:
The sharp end of the SA Air Force (SAAF) – Air Force Base (AFB) Makhado-based 2 Squadron and its Saab Gripen fighters – has been dormant for more than six months with, as yet, no date known or set for the Swedish-built jet fighters to take to the sky with South Africans in the cockpit.

Making matters worse is the Gripen simulator is part and parcel of the not renewed maintenance and support contracts that Department of Defence (DoD) Head of Communication (HOC) Siphiwe Dlamini omitted to mention in his December statement advising the temporary grounding of South Africa’s Gripen fleet.

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/aerospace/aerospace-aerospace/saaf-gripens-still-on-the-ground/

kabe1:
Funny how spending works in South-Africa. The sort of spending that grounds more than 80% of your Gripen fleet, kills of your Patria IFV and can afford to get you one small boat in 10 years.

kabe1:
To each his own, you asked for a source, and i provided.

You'll be delusional to believe South-Africa spends above Nigeria. At least in the past 4 years.

kabe1:
The source is the Soufan center.

https://thesoufancenter.org/

Odunayow:
Nah he won't. He'd make inference from what a distant cousin, an uncle on the maternal side, a 4th generation son, to tell us another story

kabe1:
African countries defence budgets.

Algeria has the largest defence budget in Africa.

The following 5 countries have the largest defence budgets in Africa.

- Algeria - $ 9.1 billion

- Morocco - $ 5.3 Billion

- Egypt - $ 5.1 Billion

- Nigeria - $ 4.46 Billion

- South Africa - $ 3.2 Billion

GreenandGold:
The worst thing that ever happened to the SA economy was the dual-economy that was created in the 50s and took deep root in the 1970s... Eg, the GPD is the 32nd largest in the world BUT the stock exchange is the 20th largest.... There's a mismatch.... If it was not for the dual economy, the GPD ranking should be somewhere between 17th-20th position in the world.

So, China never suffered from the dual economy, almost everyone was poor in the 1950s to 1980s, to almost everyone being middle-class currently. With an economy like China's, you can apply a single "shock" policy to the economy and it applies to everyone. With the SA economy, you apply a single policy, it gets one section of the economy very wealthy and leaves the other part still poor... eg, during the economic expansion of the Thabo Mbeki era, SA shops, communication and bank services spread out of the SADC region to some parts of Africa, guess which economy grew the most? the guys who already own shares or suppliers of products to those expanding shops.

At the end, no one has been able to fix the dual-economy issue, both the ANC policies or the Democratic Alliance's policies in the Cape have not come up with any solution to the problem of the economy.

GeneralDae:
Nigeria is not a full blown capitalist economy. There are different forms of capitalism and Buharism mixes everything. Buhari himself is confused. Perhaps he is still on his model called Buharism which was coined after his 1983 Government.

Google Buharism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buharism#:~:text=Buharism%20refers%20to%20the%20socio,became%20military%20head%20of%20state.

Covert1:
The modular design makes it a Light Frigate; it can be quickly fitted with missiles in event of war. Weapon manufacturers lobby, market and produce weapons systems and military equipments to meet customers requirements.

Please show us valid proof from NN is a Corvette. Officially is an OPV in peace time.

Subsaharan:
I have no problem with this.

A lot of those assets are a liability to the state.

Like the refineries for instance(spending $ms to pay union workers for doing nothing)

But it should be done in a proper manner where all investors are given a level playing field and the best emerges.

If precedence is anything to go by, it will not be favourable to Atiku.

rvp2018:
The purpose of privatization is not for gov to make money. I can understand Russia type of messed up privatization but overriding reason of privatizing state own companies is to free the economy - to broaden capitalism - and that is magic that will create more companies/wealth.

Nigeria Gov should sell most of it's SOEs for one Naira....and move on. SOEs not only stymie the economy - they also become an albatross as it saddle gov with debts, guarantees and occasional bailout.

Sell nearly all SOES - and focus on being a regulator - capitalism or free market - will work the magic. If you privatize but still do not allow free market to thrive - then that is huge Russia like mess. Otherwise if Atiku bought gov SOES for cheap - but everyone is allowed to compete - soon his companies will go down - because the market economy is VERY BRUTAL.

Subsaharan:
Tinubu is also a major proponent of privatization and less state interference in business.

This was what boosted investor confidence and what ultimately transformed the fortunes of Lagos.

Even Buhari who is traditionally conservative has piloted several privatization initiatives.

Nigeria's power challenges are largely linked to the privatization of the National power company.

He led the committee that sold state assets to politically exposed persons(his cronies) with no capital to invest and sustain the business.

Now the state has to pay $bns of bailouts to these failed companies to run their business.

Now he is proposing to do more damage to critical sectors of the economy

GeneralDae:
You don't get it. I mean the deals were non beneficial in the end. Sold to incompetent, or corrupt people or sold less than the ideal prices with no benefit to the masses in the end.
Removing Atiku from the equation, generally in my view, Government should have at least 30% ownership in the major businesses. Hence I'm not excited by the idea of privatisation.

GeneralDae:
What is it?