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rvp2018:
South African airways is worse position than KQ. They have gone belly up. KQ has never stopped flying since 1963 - or 1978 when East African Ariline gave way to regional airlines.

As for Tanzania - you're hopeless.

KQ still own your precision air

when has SAA stopped flying? It suspended flights for a month due to the take over from it's new owners and also due to covid

forgiveness:
It doesn’t change the fact that Nigeria is ten times more developed than any country in Subshara Africa save South Africa.

No!!

Shma:
The bottom line is , he's an African, he's a black, the Kenyan man did his thing and produced a half -cast. The rest is history.

Barack Obama, the 44th president of the United States and the first black president , was elected over Senator John McCain of Arizona on November 4, 2008. Obama, a former senator from

well he's not African,and he's not black....
otherwise by the same definition all Black Americans are African.

rvp2018:
El sisi has fixed their structural and systemic issues - and there is political stability now.

Unlike South Africa who last made serious reforms in 1990s - Egypt has just about finished reforming it's economy and it's institutions.

Egypt had these issues "Large budget deficits, loose monetary policy, and a fixed exchange rate had resulted in a drastic reduction in foreign exchange reserves, high inflation, and unsustainably high levels of public debt. Growth had fallen and unemployment increased, especially among women and youth."

But now they have fixed them - and their economy is starting to fire on all cylinders.

They are targetting 6-7 percent growth rate - meaning you'll never see them GDP nominal wise - per capita - they are still below you
https://english.alarabiya.net/business/economy/2021/04/27/Egypt-announces-new-round-of-reform-plans-targets-GDP-growth-of-6-7-pct-

Meanwhile you're unable to reform almost anything - your parliament is just producing copious noises as Malema & ANC engage in war of words ad nauseum - and ZERO REFORMS on resolving land issues, immigration, ESKOM and education

Cool story bro....and yet our inflation rate is a lot lower, our interest rate is a lot lower, lower gdp to debt ratio, we have a higher investment rating, better "ease of doing business" ranking,much higher QOL ranking, lower cost of living, higher GDP per capita, rank higher in terms of education, rank higher in terms of infrastructure must I go on?

- As for Eskom: Independent power producers are now allowed to enter the market, hence Eskom does not have a monopoly anymore

-as for education : we rank the highest in Africa... So yeah

- as for land: it's simply a political scape goat... According to a census done by the government itself literally only 1% said land is a pressing issue, things like job creation, education, housing and crime are the actual issues people want sorted... Not land

rvp2018:
And Egypt fundamentals are stronger in the short & Medium term.
And I know you think it's ANC that has caused this drop...
But ANC grew GDP from 140 to 410B btw 1994 to 2010 - quite impressive - near trippling in 15yrs.
Then South Africa hit the proverbial middle class trap.
Now you economy has serious structural and systemic bottlenecks that are not easy to resolve.

what fundamentals bro name them!!

rvp2018:
You like arguing from point of ignorance....this is South Africa Treasury making projections

Last decade - almost 0 to 1 percent growth.
2019 -0.9%
2020 - contracted 6.4%
2021 - Will be 5.1% - not fully recovered to 2019
2022 - 1.8 - will fully recover back pre-covid levels.
2023 - 1.6
2024 - 1.7

Conclusion - gdp will be stuck at 300-400B (depending on the USD-Rand) - gdp per capita stuck - hardly above the 1.3 percent population growth rate.

The treasury projected real economic growth of 5.1% for 2021 — coming off a low base after contracting by 6.4% in 2020 — and 1.8% in 2022, compared with 2021 February budget review estimates of 3.3% and 2.2% respectively. Real GDP growth is expected to moderate to 1.6% in 2023 before ticking up to 1.7% in 2024
https://mg.co.za/business/2021-11-11-medium-term-budget-economic-growth-prospects-remain-bleak/

This world bank

The World Bank has cut South Africa’s growth forecast for 2019 through to 2021, citing weak investor sentiment and lingering policy uncertainty. Growth for 2019 is now projected at 0.8%, half a percentage point lower than April’s forecast and unchanged from 2018, according to the bank’s October Africa’s Pulse report.

Growth is expected to hit 1% in 2020, 0.7 percentage points lower than the previous forecast, and 1.3% in 2021, again half a percentage point lower than prior estimates.

Ok and? this is short term forecasts..........

Shma:
I don't care where he grew. He's a Kenyan by DNA - he has a Kenya brain - this is what we're talking about.

50% Kenyan DNA.....for all we know his brain could have come from his mom

rvp2018:
True..but this time for good...they have sorted their structural issues...they have more people at 100M and have better fundamentals.
South Africa will remain at 350-400B - middle class trap - in the medium term.

with the current political climate I highly doubt that

Also what better "fundamentals"..... do you even think before typing?

Shma:
I was putting across a factual point. If you want to cry or die, proceed. I don't care about your feelings on the same. The bottom line is that the world has been ruled by a Kenyan brain. ..

born, grew up and educated in the US......but by your logic Roger Federer and JRR Tolkien are South African... No?

Shma:
Obama is a Kenyan by origin. I guess it pains you because he's not white.

nope, he has Kenyan heritage.... He is American by origin

rvp2018:
Looking at 2022 - Ethiopia birr has collapsed (lost 1/4 of it's value) so nominal gdp will be down by 1/4 - Angola kwacha has appreciated by 20 percent - so will swap places with Ethiopia. Ethiopia civil war plus COVID-19 has taken them back - and unless resolved quickly - they will be down for sometime.

In medium term - Egypt will overtake South Africa - and Kenya to overtake Morroco.

https://www.icirnigeria.org/icirup/2021/12/Top-10-African-Economy-by-GDP-in-2021.1-696x391.png

Egypt has overtaken SA on numerous occasions....

gallivant:
It's a non issue. It shouldn't bother you this much.

it doesn't bother me.... I just like putting the facts straight, the is why I'm on the thread.

Shma:
@jl115 back to you.

I don't understand the question.....

gallivant:
This is all you wanted to point out all along. Good for you but Obama's Kenyan roots don't concern you.

I never once claimed Elon Musk is a South African billionaire ...............Your foolish friend claimed that Kenya produced "the president of the most powerful country in the world"

Shma:
His father is black, Obama is black, This is not rocket science.

Obama carries the Kenyan brain, IQ. His IQ is what brought him to that position.

In South Africa he would be a coloured but that's irrelevant

Just because he's black doesn't make him Kenyan he has Kenyan heritage, and that's pretty much it. He ain't Kenyan though!

samorobo:
With a flag,not country name and figure.Nigeria got all three intact,that shows a greater relevance.

It shows it as a bigger economy....thats it

Shma:
I told you, Obama is a Kenyan by blood. Now you're telling me, his mom is a white. Are you okay, my guy? Will his mom dispute the fact that Obama is a Kenyan by blood and a Luo man in that regard?

His father was a luo man from ugenya, they have spend couple of years in ugenya - his root.

I said his mom is American.....but she is white as well thanks for mentioning that fact.

He was born in the US, grew up in the US, had is education in the US....Kenya did absolutely nothing for him!

At least the likes of Elon Musk was born in SA, grew up in SA and was educated in SA(High School) and both his parents are SAn

Barrack is as Kenyan as Roger Federer is South African

Shma:
Nope. He is a Kenyan by blood.

nope his mom is American, and he was born in the US

Shma:
Okay, a Kenyan by blood is doing it, fixed?

half Kenyan blood......

samorobo:
Don’t push it,no here thinks Kenya or Kenyatta is great or powerful,you are just an irrelevant small fry that lost relevance on the grand scale of things
You said nothing here sh*male

Kenya is relevant in Africa... They are also represented on this chart

Shma:
Irrelevant country can't produce a president of the most powerful country in the world.

well Kenya didn't so...... Yeah, not a great argument

Team SA bossing the Dakar rally stage 1

3 SAs in the top 10

And Toyota Gazoo racing South Africa have 3 drivers in the top 10 including Nasser who is currently 1st and also won the 2019 edition with Toyota Gazoo racing South Africa

kabe1:
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extra protection around the cockpit

Shma:
You already did that, And I'm now proving to you how your cities are just mere African standards. Your cities are for those who don't know have more slums unimaginable...

Joburg for instance, a shambolic that want to compare itself with New York.. Were you even thinking when you brought up london?

the pic you posted isn't even Joburg

Just30:
go to their forum reports on education systems

nope don't see what you are saying

Just30:
WEF education review report

where?

Just30:
WEF was the one spewing the nonsense which I pointed out to you

I didn't create the report

what report?

Just30:
you claim that a group of liberals have credibility and I just told you that they don't because of their own stupid stuffs which makes useless claims and pointed you to how to find similar, which you have seen before; when this came up the last time.

Now it is no you to find it if you've forgotten.

now you are the one spewing nonsense ............how ironic

Just30:
it's available online

You can search for it yourself ... It has been posted here several times .... I don't have that time.

naahhh you made the claim my bru I ain't searching for sh1t.... Until then I can't comment on what you stated

Just30:
so you believe that Togo has better education than Israel?

get me the report that stated that and I'll answer it

Just30:
WEF once in a while come up with nonsense

just like the nonsense, they came up with when they said Togo has better education than Israel

sorry but no

Just30:
A WEF nonsense

only 5% of your country roads are paved which is just half of Ghana paved roads

such a roadless country

let's rather not call reputable sources nonsense of all people you are one of the few I don't expect this from