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Kobojunkie:
The author would have made his meaning clearer if he had in fact provided in his article what he refers to as "sacrifice and grace".

By the way, I believe when Paul that in his letters, the word "grace" he uses to refer to the New Covenant, which is embodied in the person of Jesus Christ, i.e. the teachings/commandments of Jesus Christ.

Sacrifice - I don't know where to begin in looking at the possible meaning of that up.

You are still looking for something to squeeze in?
It's self explanatory.The onus lies on the preachers of Grace and sacrifice to give us the meaning and originator of those concepts.

SATANICALLY:
https://www.vanguardngr.com/2021/03/8-reasons-why-jesus-christ-isnt-a-sacrifice-for-sins/

For once, this is a very factual submission devoid of unnecessary conjectures.
The truth is that followers of biblical Jesus left his core teachings for teachings of other men.

mabea:
Are you for real?

Yes.
Come up with indices for measuring total beauty of a city

sonmvayina:
God is one. Universal creator of the universe. Just the nomenclature that is different...

Jesus is just a character in a story written by unknown authors....purpose of which is for social engineering..

So in essence, biblical Jesus was in agreement that to love the only invisible God is worth more than burnt offerings and sacrifices(plural) according to verse 33.

So where did the Romans later get the idea that you need an ultimate sacrifice to reconcile self with God? When your only reconciliation is to Love God?

shadeyinka:
I won't blame you for not understanding this theme you have written on.
Even Allah was confused by saying that Trinity is God, Mary and Jesus!

Hmm

Monogamy:
Still Igbo vs Igbo shading

Expecting Imo people to also downgrade Enugu people

Btw, op is the same person as the twitter user

It's not going to happen. Because people are much more aware of media propaganda now. Thank God for social media

Amah70:
Your bias on his invasion of Orlu with the military.

But you will bow when he delivers Okigwe city center, as he is now delivering Owerri city center.

One thing is that by next election, people in Owerri and Okigwe zones shall say that Orlu zone can’t govern Imo state because of equity. But you have seen how bile in the last two governors from Orlu zone made them arrest modern development in Orlu area.

Is English language too hard to understand in African countries?. I said I'm biased about invasion of orlu... And contextually from the whole statement it means I do not support it. So how does it correlate not being in support of development in orlu?


Or is it that we like fighting where there is no need for one just because we wana engage in decent conversation?

Amah70:
Wow. They are mostly people from Owerri celebrating Uzodinma who is reconstructing chains of Owerri urban roads and extending to rural villages in Owerri.

They are celebrating because they have a governor who does not want to accept that there are other urban areas in Imo state outside Owerri urban area.

Maybe the only place you move around in imo state is owerri.

Okigwe is being paid attention to

miclef86:
Another blow for Senator Rochas Okorocha

Very big blow to all former governors asides mbakwe. And the prospects are even more Scarry. I hate to admit it since I also have my biases on the orlu invasion. But I must say he is on the right track. If he delivers the Okigwe city center, I'll take a bow in front of imo state House of Assembly.

fellowbeing:
One year of fighting Okorocha

Come on. You know it's not easy to fight someone and still remain focused on developing the entire state. The so called white paper used in fighting rochas was released from the panel set up by Gov. Ihedioha(PDP)

I'm no fan of any politician. I will buy into your idea if that panel was set up by Gov. Hope

chamber2:
Very glaring.

1. Construction and dualization of ChukwumaNwoha-Egbu Road
2. Reconstruction of MCC/ Uratha Road
3. Construction of Relief market, and Ihecheuwa road
4. Construction of Dick-Tiger- Shoperite Road
5. Reconstruction of PH-control road
6. Reconstruction of World bank-Umuguma Road
7. Construction of Fed secretariat-Ideal suite Road

Just a few

You are even talking as if it's only in owerri.
As I speak to you, road constructions are going on in Okigwe. I hope they begin full tarring of inner streets in Okigwe city center by next year


#Imsuth road orlu done and dusted

Yankee101:
One drainage is progress?

Unpaid salary nko?

I never said it was the only progress.
I said for the first time, somebody did something another did decades ago

Underground drainage is one of the features of a developed area

Yankee101:
The stolen mandate

But He has silenced his critics.
For the very first time after mbakwe, He's constructing a standard underground drainage system at City center.
As promised we hope he shifts full time development to okigwe city center by next year

Sometimes I wonder what people term as beauty.
Owerri is naturally the most beautiful city at least for South East.

Kriss216:
I'm from IMO, I was born in Owerri, I schooled in Owerri,(Nursery, Primary and University), I've lived 60% of my life in Owerri, what that man said about Owerri is 100% false!


Owerri got numerous lapses, but, everything that man said is not one of them!



1. One of the few things one consider before opening a bar in Owerri;

* Chilled drinks
*Live football games
*Employ big-nyashed girls


2. There's no specific price of food in all Mama Put in Owerri. You can not request for 3 "okpa anu" and extra plantain, then expect the price to be N500.


3. Owerri is a civil town. Mostly occupied by responsible gentlemen and ladies. 80% of motorists are gentle. And we have this, "I don't care" and "Mind your business" attitude, unlike other Cities.


4. I'm in town presently, Today is mothering Sunday, came for my mum. On my way to church. Where's the dirt and sand?

Don't mind him. Probably He is referring to roads under construction

slawormiir:
Damnnn niggarrrr
Isoright
I concur
Genital mutilation also known as as circumcision should be stopped
Although it has advantages...but the disadvantage outweigh its advantages

Baby girl
It reduce a woman's libido and therefore help her resist extramarital sexual acts.
Have banged a circumcised girl and the one not circumcised
Their response to sexual advances is different ...a circumcised woman can easily say no....but the one not circumcised finds it difficult to turn you down...immediately you touch them..they get wet instantly
But to me ....If am given the opportunity to choose between circumcised and uncircumcised female as a wife.....I will choose the uncircumcised one
Sex with them is very fun and sweet...they reach orgasm easily....and they secrets all types of vagina fluid during sex...both sticky, foaming, slippery and watery liquids

Your assertions are not totally correct. The most important concern of WHO is the risk of complications during child birth. The study of relationship between promiscuity and circumcision is not clear. I hope you know there is a part of this country where FGM is widely practiced but a good number are still promiscuous.

madegreatbygrace:
Did He fulfill all the requirements of the Messiah?

Absolutely!

I have no reason or evidence to think otherwise.

Could I prove you wrong ?

GeneralDae:
I think you are the one not following our arguement. My only contention is that that passage is not saying Love your enemies more than yourself, even if you are not fighting back at them.

Who is saying the passage supports loving your enemies more than yourself?. It's a simple English that Stephen obeyed what was written in Mathew 5: 39

GeneralDae:
Jesus is not saying you should run into fire but be ready to give yourself up rather than do something evil in the name of reaction. It doesn't mean if you can avoid the situation don't avoid it. It doesn't mean love your enemies more than yourself.
Your giving yourself up does not necessarily imply you love them more than yourself. You are definitely not pleased with that situation.

My brother I know my English language

Don't fight back at those who want to hurt you(Don't react)- you have an option to run away which is a very reasonable way of avoiding confrontation.

But the other clause(if he strikes you, turn the other cheek)- cannot justifying escaping confrontation or being harmed willingly even if it's an intended figure of speech like you said.

So it would make more meaning if you only say "don't fight back at those who Wana hurt you"

GeneralDae:
Jesus is not saying you should run into fire but be ready to give yourself up rather than do something evil in the name of reaction. It doesn't mean if you can avoid the situation don't avoid it. It doesn't mean love your enemies more than yourself.
Your giving yourself up does not necessarily imply you love them more than yourself. You are definitely not pleased with that situation.

. When English language is clearly spelt out? Then we can as well assume that all those stories were created since you have an idea of what Jesus intended

Kobojunkie:
Huh?
Again, read what you are told from verse 39 of the same passage and tell me that you do not seriously believe that what you posted above means more than what Jesus Christ Himself teaches.
By refusing to defend himself when his enemies attacked him, did Stephen not in fact obey the commandment/teaching of Jesus Christ as depicted above?

Religion is quite funny.
The funniest thing is .. people even leave out what biblical Jesus instructed to practice. How many will leave their properties as instructed when one wants to take it

GeneralDae:
Hate as used in bible language just means not choosing something or choosing not to love something rather than the other. For example:

Esau I hate, Jacob I love.

Remember that God also blessed Esau later on, he prospered and became even wealthier than his brother.

The passage simply means God chose to walk with Jacob and his descendants rather than Esau.

Oh now you are supporting an idea or what you feel the idea of hate is abi?

So going by your logic, the implication is that the Romans recreated stories to soothe them too, else how can hating someone be same as being a murderer contextually and from the verse you pointed out earlier "who ever hates is a murderer"?

Kobojunkie:
Consider what God Himself said when He gave those commandments to the people of Israel(not to the world).
And pay attention to the promise attached for obeying the Old covenant commandments given by God to His people Israel.

If you still practice all the contents of the 10 commandments (presently) and you mistakenly break one, would you still be under curse since atonement was promised to you by Romans?

madegreatbygrace:
It is vital to know that Jesus did not say that He came not to destroy the law.

His words:

““Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:17‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

He actually said “The Law or the Prophets”.

When a word is removed from scriptures, it gives the text a different meaning or perspective to what was intended by the author or speaker.

To start with, the Law doesn’t refer to the
moral laws or commandments given by Moses. It refers to the first five books of the Bible traditionally believed to have been written by Moses.

Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy.

Likewise, the prophets also refer to the books written by the Prophets in the Old Testament.

Why did Jesus make this statement?

The way He made use of the Law and the Prophets was completely different from how the scribes and Pharisees used them.

By his setting up to be a teacher in opposition to the scribes and Pharisees, some might charge him with an intention to destroy their law, and to abolish the customs of the nation. He therefore told them that he did not come for that end, but really to fulfill or accomplish what was in the law and the prophets.

The Law and the Prophets were written because of Christ Jesus. His coming, sufferings and resurrection were foretold in the Law.

“And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel.””
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:15‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

“I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭18:18‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

This was why He said Moses wrote of Him.

“For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:46‬ ‭NKJV‬‬



It was also foretold in the Prophets.

““Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your King is coming to you; He is just and having salvation, Lowly and riding on a donkey, A colt, the foal of a donkey.”
‭‭Zechariah‬ ‭9:9‬ ‭NKJV‬‬


““But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Though you are little among the thousands of Judah, Yet out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth are from of old, From everlasting.””
‭‭Micah‬ ‭5:2‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Then the prophecy of the Prophet Isaiah in Isaiah 53, to mention but a few.

So when Jesus said He came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets, He meant He came to fulfill all that was written about Him in the Law and the Prophets. Jesus is the fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies.

Notice what He says in the next verse.

“For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:18‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Everything written about Him in the Law and the Prophets must be fulfilled before the heaven and the earth pass away.

Also observe what He told the disciples.

“And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:27‬ ‭NKJV‬‬


“Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.””
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:44‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

In summary, the entire Old Testament was written because of Christ and He became the fulfillment of all that was written.

You are yet to reply.
Wonderful write up but did biblical Jesus fulfill all the requirements of the Messiah?

Ken4Christ:
The teachings of our Lord Jesus and his Apostles are enough to guide us to a holy living. They are even more stricter than the demands of the law. The Law of Moses said we should not commit adultery but our Lord Jesus said anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery.

In addition, the Law of Moses said we should not kill but Apostle John said anyone who hates his brother is a murderer. Grace didn't come to water down the standard for righteousness. Rather it puts greater demand on us.

One benefit that grace brought is opportunity to repent when you fall into error.

The Law of Moses and grace are two mutually exclusive events in just the way you can't have head and tail at the same time. Hence Paul wrote;

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Apostle also said that those who are still trying to live by the law of Moses are under a curse.

So how is it that trying to obey the 10 commandments would bring curses on you since the right things to do are contained therein ?

Ken4Christ:
The teachings of our Lord Jesus and his Apostles are enough to guide us to a holy living. They are even more stricter than the demands of the law. The Law of Moses said we should not commit adultery but our Lord Jesus said anyone who looks at a woman to lust after her has already committed adultery.

In addition, the Law of Moses said we should not kill but Apostle John said anyone who hates his brother is a murderer. Grace didn't come to water down the standard for righteousness. Rather it puts greater demand on us.

One benefit that grace brought is opportunity to repent when you fall into error.

The Law of Moses and grace are two mutually exclusive events in just the way you can't have head and tail at the same time. Hence Paul wrote;

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Apostle also said that those who are still trying to live by the law of Moses are under a curse.

Stop mixing English language here and there
The Roman creation said you should even hate your people if you must follow him.

madegreatbygrace:
Hi there. It is vital to know that Jesus did not say that He came not to destroy the law.

His words:

““Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:17‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

He actually said “The Law or the Prophets”.

When a word is removed from scriptures, it gives the text a different meaning or perspective to what was intended by the author or speaker.

To start with, the Law doesn’t refer to the
moral laws or commandments given by Moses. It refers to the first five books of the Bible traditionally believed to have been written by Moses.

Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy.

Likewise, the prophets also refer to the books written by the Prophets in the Old Testament.

Why did Jesus make this statement?

The way He made use of the Law and the Prophets was completely different from how the scribes and Pharisees used them.

By his setting up to be a teacher in opposition to the scribes and Pharisees, some might charge him with an intention to destroy their law, and to abolish the customs of the nation. He therefore told them that he did not come for that end, but really to fulfill or accomplish what was in the law and the prophets.

The Law and the Prophets were written because of Christ Jesus. His coming, sufferings and resurrection were foretold in the Law.

“And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel.””
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:15‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

“I will raise up for them a Prophet like you from among their brethren, and will put My words in His mouth, and He shall speak to them all that I command Him.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭18:18‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

This was why He said Moses wrote of Him.

“For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:46‬ ‭NKJV‬‬



It was also foretold in the Prophets.

““Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your King is coming to you; He is just and having salvation, Lowly and riding on a donkey, A colt, the foal of a donkey.”
‭‭Zechariah‬ ‭9:9‬ ‭NKJV‬‬


““But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Though you are little among the thousands of Judah, Yet out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth are from of old, From everlasting.””
‭‭Micah‬ ‭5:2‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Then the prophecy of the Prophet Isaiah in Isaiah 53, to mention but a few.

So when Jesus said He came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets, He meant He came to fulfill all that was written about Him in the Law and the Prophets. Jesus is the fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies.

Notice what He says in the next verse.

“For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭5:18‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Everything written about Him in the Law and the Prophets must be fulfilled before the heaven and the earth pass away.

Also observe what He told the disciples.

“And beginning at Moses and all the Prophets, He expounded to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning Himself.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:27‬ ‭NKJV‬‬


“Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me.””
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:44‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

In summary, the entire Old Testament was written because of Christ and He became the fulfillment of all that was written.

I quite enjoyed your analysis. Looked catchy but poorly scripted by the Romans.

The question is did he really fulfill requirements of the Messiah?

Ken4Christ:
You got it wrong. Jesus only insisted that the Law of Moses should be kept until it is fulfilled. Now, it has been fulfilled and set aside. Grace is fully ushered in.

The word fulfill means to bring to an end in this context.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Hebrews 7:18-19.
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

The evidences that point to the end of the law is overwhelming especially in the epistles of Paul.

The Scripture can't say in several verses that the Law of Moses has been abolished and then contradict it with just one verse. Matthew 5:17-18 has been highly misunderstood by so many ministers.

Romans 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Lol.
You so love this Roman abracadabra
You are not under the law but by grace. Then no longer grace at some point, then you arrive at faith as a criteria to be justified without d core components of the law which are the right things to do as a so called Christian (not having any other God, not committing adultery etc)


Sometimes I marvel at Africans and indoctrination

Abagworo:
The environment of that Royal Palm is how most residential areas in Nigeria should be. Whoever planned and built the estate deserves to be employed as a city planner by government.

We are still saying the same thing. Why localize it for your own personal pleasure or gain. When citizens should freely enjoy a replica on major streets?
Like I said, the bane of African development is greed.

Jman24:
Every well meaning imolite support expansion of the city center. But the problem is just the quality of projects and the motive of such constructions. You can even build on oceans with the right process and technology. And not grabbing lands here and there in the name of expansion.
The bane of African development is greed. Nothing more, nothing less.

Take a good look at that Royal Palm hotel for instance. The money spent there can cover all open gutters, interlock sides of the tarred roads and business areas.

Is it so difficult to build a world class city?

sanctity454:
I prefer Hope Uzodinma to Ihedioha, he seems to be putting structures he inherited in use.
As for the white paper, land owners are rectifying their structures with the ministry of lands and OCDA, nobody is gonna loss lands already acquired.
Like for instance formal shell camp that was sold Leo stan Ekeh, orange drugs and even Pascal Dozie, is what you want to recover ?

You know our people are very difficult. If he had demolished it, people would start preaching the "government is a continiuum" sermon

Abagworo:
In essence Owerri should have remained constrained to Douglas and Ikenegbu without expansion. Okorocha creating alternative routes and reclaiming eroded lands for roads and estates is a positive development and masterplan is subject to adjustment by a Governor based on peculiarity of his time. Both Udenwa and Ohakim also modified masterplan but this whitepaper said their own followed due process whereas that of Okorocha didn't. One cannot say that removal of mechanics from Orji and Naze moving them to a more organized place at Avu caused increased flooding. In all my view remains that Imo will be better if Uzodinma continues with Okorocha's already manifesting plans while adding his own modifications than working hard to kill them and start afresh

Every well meaning imolite support expansion of the city center. But the problem is just the quality of projects and the motive of such constructions. You can even build on oceans with the right process and technology. And not grabbing lands here and there in the name of expansion.
The bane of African development is greed. Nothing more, nothing less.