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Christianity Etc › Re: Shun The Love Of Money _pastor Chris by Joagbaje(op): 2:31pm On Oct 07, 2015

Gombs:
How many times did you read Jesus went around dashing poor people monies?

Alms giving to the needy is a principle . Jesus actualy gave alms and we ought to do it as a kidgdom principle .

, John 13:29 (KJV)
29 For some of them thought, because Judas had the bag, that Jesus had said unto him. . . that he should give something to the poor.

Acts 20:35 (KJV)
remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.Thats not what it's for our sake that we do it But that's not whay

Paul had often admonished that we remember the poor. So we do such for our own fruit of righteousness

But that's not what will bring the poor out of poverty . He's still poor being a beggar. The bible say a man who doesn't work shouldn't eat. We demonstrate and exercise ourselves in love by alms giving as well as other forms of giving the bible talks about .

Christianity Etc › Re: Hell Fire Is NOT Real! Don't Be Deceived By Any Pastors: BIBLE PROOFS INSIDE. by Joagbaje(m): 2:08pm On Oct 07, 2015

Jozzy4:
This is what happens when you tell lies . Here is your first statement .

Then you changed .

You are just been " tossed about as by waves and carried here and there by every wind of teaching " full of " deceptive schemes" -
Eph 4:14

Try not to get insultive, or I may not respond any more to you.

2 Timothy 2:24 (KJV)
24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

I still maintain the two statment s they are not Contradictory. Hell was first an abode for all departed spirits. Both good and bad. As the story of lazarus and rich man illustrates. There were two compartments. Separated by a big gulf. Righteous men like Abraham were not under tuture except the wicked . But after Jesus rose ,all the righteous men who were in the good side of hell which is called paradise were carried in captivity to heaven . So hell presently is only for the wicked .

Matthew 27:52 (KJV)
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

Christianity Etc › Re: Shun The Love Of Money _pastor Chris by Joagbaje(op): 1:57pm On Oct 07, 2015

Goshen360:
So it means anyone can be rich following these principles whether christian or not right?

We don't consider the riches of a sinner as wealth . The world loveth his own . Just as a may not out the good deed of a herbalist as godliness . But the principle of giving do work as a law of nature genetaly .

Christianity Etc › Re: Shun The Love Of Money _pastor Chris by Joagbaje(op): 1:54pm On Oct 07, 2015

vfactor:
I think you should do more research on the bolded, so you can differentiate them clearly!

Well I've done what I know ,you are free to enlighten us. If there's a contrary evidence from the bible

Christianity Etc › Re: Shun The Love Of Money _pastor Chris by Joagbaje(op): 1:52pm On Oct 07, 2015

Goshen360:
Haven't you read in scripture where one church said she was rich or wealthy but the Lord said she was poor wretched? So that tells me someone having money or riches doesn't mean he or she is not poor. He's poor BECAUSE HE OR SHE IS WITHOUT THE GOSPEL PREACHED UN TO HIM OR HER, not because he has money or not.

It's based on self righteousness. There's someone rich unto himself and another is rich unto God . The man who is rich unto himself will soon become poor . But the man who shares can only have more.

Christianity Etc › Re: Shun The Love Of Money _pastor Chris by Joagbaje(op): 1:48pm On Oct 07, 2015

vfactor:
So? Did he say giving will make them rich?

Firstly you must work as a principle ,

Give as a principle

Trust God as a principle

Those are the major steps against poverty. If you want relevant scripture I may quote them.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Shun The Love Of Money _pastor Chris by Joagbaje(op): 1:43pm On Oct 07, 2015

vfactor:
So? Did he say giving will make them rich?

What more can we say? He taught about having faith for supply . He taught about how to receive which is by giving or sharing . Money doesn't come by prayer but through giving or sharing . Those are principles .

There is a different e between physically blind man and a spiritually blind man. Just as there is a difference between physically poor man and spiritually poor man so don't mix the two . When Paul dealt with spiritually blind person ,he made it clear. When he dealt with physically poor he made it clear too. We should not interchange just to push our ideology

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Christianity Etc › Re: Shun The Love Of Money _pastor Chris by Joagbaje(op): 1:30pm On Oct 07, 2015

vfactor:
My oga! I've treated this verse in my previous comments. What kind of Gospel did Jesus preach to the poor? Read Luke 6:20.

He taught them the principles of faith and also giving

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Christianity Etc › Re: Shun The Love Of Money _pastor Chris by Joagbaje(op): 1:29pm On Oct 07, 2015

Goshen360:
Again, "poor have the gospel preached to them"...poor in what sense or context? It looks to me as if you guys have mastered a trade or techniques and you're not backing out of it.

Ma bu mi o.

The bible speak for itself . The poor refers to those lacking materially . Physical poverty just as the good news to the blind is to the physically blind and healing was brought to them . The good news to the poor is their inheritance in God t which grants them dominion over lack or poverty

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Christianity Etc › Get Rid Of Sin_ Pastor Chris by Joagbaje(op): 1:17pm On Oct 07, 2015

Psalm 66:18
If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me

Prevailing with God in prayer is sacrosanct, and it's really what you need. But you see, if you're going to prevail with God in prayer, and have results from Him, then before you begin such prayer —whether for yourself, somebody else, or about any situation— the first thing is to repent of your sins, peradventure you've not been living right.

There're different kinds of sins that people commit; for instance, it can be the sin of pride and arrogance; if you don't repent of them, you can't prevail with God. The same is applicable to any other kind of sin. You can't prevail with God in prayer, because that sin will be in your heart, and like David said,

"If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me" (Psalm 66:18).

Isaiah said, "Behold, the LORD's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear: But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear" (Isaiah 59:1-2).

Christianity is a walk in righteousness. You can't fellowship with God upon your sins; He's a just, righteous and holy God.

1 John 1:9
"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous"

You don't have to sin, but if you do, repent quickly, receive forgiveness and live right.
says,

1 John 2:1
"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." His Word is a cleanser; it sanctifies and purifies your heart of sin and all unrighteousness.

Give yourself to the Word. His Word is the true light to guide you always in the path of righteousness.

PRAYER
Dear Father, I'm grateful for your love. You've purified my heart to walk with you in righteousness. My life is for your glory, and I walk worthy of you, pleasing you in all things, as I bear fruits of righteousness, in Jesus' Name. Amen.

Excerpt From: http://rhapsodyofrealities.org

Christianity Etc › Re: Shun The Love Of Money _pastor Chris by Joagbaje(op): 1:04pm On Oct 07, 2015

vfactor:
Please share!

Luke 4:18 (KJV)
18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

Mat 11:4 — Mat 11:5 (KJV)
4 Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see:
5 The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Shun The Love Of Money _pastor Chris by Joagbaje(op): 2:21pm On Oct 06, 2015

vfactor:
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Did Jesus even preach the message of prosperity?

Yes he did

Christianity Etc › Re: Hell Fire Is NOT Real! Don't Be Deceived By Any Pastors: BIBLE PROOFS INSIDE. by Joagbaje(m): 2:18pm On Oct 06, 2015

Jozzy4:
@ bold ... scripture said Jesus go to hell too , are you telling us Jesus is a wicked person? Act 2:31 KJV

He was in hell as sin embodiment. He was made sin. But he wasn't in a fire . Because hell was an abode for departed spirit both good and righteous .the righteous were not tormented but the wicket were .

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Christianity Etc › Re: Hell Fire Is NOT Real! Don't Be Deceived By Any Pastors: BIBLE PROOFS INSIDE. by Joagbaje(m): 10:53am On Oct 06, 2015

malvisguy212:
don't mind this guys bro.
"And if your eye causes you to stumble, cast it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes,to be cast into HELL , WHERE THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED. (Mark 9:47-48)

First Jesus say the wicked shall be cast into HELL ,then His next statement seems to give the description of hell "WHERE THEIR WORM DOES NOT DIE, AND THE FIRE IS NOT QUENCHED"

Awsome truth. My point to them is that Hell is a temporary abode for the wicked until last judgement. And they will, eventually end up in the lake of fire . Hell only has has tormenting fire . But Lake of fire is made up of fire

Christianity Etc › Re: Hell Fire Is NOT Real! Don't Be Deceived By Any Pastors: BIBLE PROOFS INSIDE. by Joagbaje(m): 10:49am On Oct 06, 2015

Jozzy4:
Lake of fire is death not eternal torture .
" this is second DEATH " - Rev 20:14, 21:8 . Death is the opposite of life .

The death here is not cessation of life. It's damanation from God. They wont die physically in the lake of fire . They will be in eternal fiery torment

Christianity Etc › Re: Shun The Love Of Money _pastor Chris by Joagbaje(op): 10:45am On Oct 06, 2015

vfactor:
Surprisingly this is coming from pastor Chris. How can you tell people to shun love of money, when you foster that love by telling that God only blesses you by making you rich? In other words, if you re serving God and not rich, then something is wrong with you!

You misunderstand the message of prosperity. Love of money has to do with worldliness. Prosperity has to do with living above poverty. Which is if the devil . We use our wealth to serve God and others not on ourselves .

Christianity Etc › Shun The Love Of Money _pastor Chris by Joagbaje(op): 7:26am On Oct 06, 2015

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1 Timothy 6:10
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows

As a Christian, it's important for you to understand who you really are. You're not of this world. In the world today, there're many who, against their conscience, will do anything for money. This happens in different forms in many societies, and it may seem normal, but it's wrong.

You're different. When others are running after money and doing terrible and inordinate things for money, seek the wisdom of God: "Receive my instruction, and not silver; and knowledge rather than choice gold" (Proverbs 8:10). Go for wisdom! Don't let money be your motivation. Money is a tool. If you function in divine wisdom, money will come to you, because money responds to wisdom.

The Word says, "the love of money...", not "the abundance of it", is the root of all evil. Someone can be poor and love money. How do you know you love money? It's determined by how much you or your actions are controlled by money; the desire for it or the lack of it. When someone is willing to do the wrong thing because of money, he's being driven by the love of money that God warns against.

Don't be unjust because of money. Don't deny others what rightfully belongs to them because of your desire to amass more for yourself. The Bible lets us know that true prosperity will elude those who pursue money instead of seeking God's Kingdom and His righteousness.

Maintain a good conscience. It's not what you have in the bank that counts; it's who you are on the inside that really counts. So, consistently develop your personality through the Word. Work on "being", and not on "having", for with who you are, you'll have.

EXTRACT FROM: Rhapsody of Realities Daily Devotional

Christianity Etc › Re: Hell Fire Is NOT Real! Don't Be Deceived By Any Pastors: BIBLE PROOFS INSIDE. by Joagbaje(m): 7:19am On Oct 06, 2015

Jozzy4:
That scripture is a hard pill for you to swallow , the bolded statement of yours is highly flawed because HELL has actually empty its content in verse 13 .

Face the straight statement , Death and HELL were cast into the Lake Of Fire ! Rev 20:14 HELL not its content .... How real is that to you ?

The wicked will end up in the lake of fire . Do you agree.?

Christianity Etc › Re: Hell Fire Is NOT Real! Don't Be Deceived By Any Pastors: BIBLE PROOFS INSIDE. by Joagbaje(m): 10:30pm On Oct 05, 2015

Hell is a temporal abode for the wicked,. It's a place of devil's also ,it's controlled by Satan. Hell being cast I to lake of fire has to do with its emptying it's content there .
Your theory that there is no infernal end for the wicked . Has been disproved by the scripture I quoted . The wicked ends in fire. Lake of fire . I think you should rather go back to double check on what you have believed and Compare it with new evidence instead of trying to make a mockery

Christianity Etc › Re: Hell Fire Is NOT Real! Don't Be Deceived By Any Pastors: BIBLE PROOFS INSIDE. by Joagbaje(m): 9:57pm On Oct 05, 2015

Jozzy4:
Yes . And what do you call Lake Of Fire ?

" and death and HELL were cast into the Lake of Fire" Revelation 20:14 .

So, HELL will also be burned forever and ever ryt ?

At least you agree that the wicked will end up in fire. That's my point. And that put your theory to silence

Christianity Etc › Re: . Win First, In The Spirit...pastor Chris Oyakhilome by Joagbaje(op): 9:54pm On Oct 05, 2015

We don't do such , the bible talks about you and your father

John 8:44 (KJV)
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

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Christianity Etc › Re: . Win First, In The Spirit...pastor Chris Oyakhilome by Joagbaje(op): 9:42pm On Oct 05, 2015

How is lucifer your father cool

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Christianity Etc › Re: Hell Fire Is NOT Real! Don't Be Deceived By Any Pastors: BIBLE PROOFS INSIDE. by Joagbaje(m): 9:35pm On Oct 05, 2015

Hell fire is an uderstatement. The end of the wicked is worse than Hell ,it is LAKE OF FIRE.

Revelation 20:15 (KJV)
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

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Christianity Etc › . Win First, In The Spirit...pastor Chris Oyakhilome by Joagbaje(op): 9:19pm On Oct 05, 2015

(GENESIS 32:24).
And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day.

Before your victory shows on the outside, you need to win first in the spirit. We prevail first with God, before we prevail with men.

This readily brings into mind the picture of Jacob, when he wanted to return to his homeland with all that God had blessed him with. But then, he remembered there was a problem. He had cheated his brother several years before, which resulted in his seeking asylum in another land. And his brother, Esau, who had become a very strong man, vowed to take revenge against him. So, Jacob had every reason to be afraid.

When Esau heard that Jacob was coming home, he got his army ready to attack Jacob. Jacob knew he was in trouble and could lose everything, including his life, if he did nothing about the situation. So, he decided to "settle" the matter with God. He knew he'd have to prevail with God first, to prevail with his brother Esau. The Bible tells us that the angel of the Lord appeared to Jacob, and Jacob wrestled with the angel all night long (Genesis 32:24).

Now, there're so many interpretations of that account, but the most significant thing about this experience that Jacob had with the Lord is the lesson on prayer: "And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day." The angel said, "Let me go, for the day breaketh." But Jacob declared, "I will not let thee go, except thou bless me" (Genesis 32:26). This was Jacob, prevailing in prayer! Hosea 12:3-5 says "He took his brother by the heel in the womb, and by his strength he had power with God: Yea, he had power over the angel, and prevailed: he wept, and made supplication unto him: he found him in Bethel, and there he spake with us; Even the Lord God of hosts; the Lord is his memorial."

It was during this encounter that his name was changed to Israel, leading to a complete turnaround in his life. The angel said, "And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed" (Genesis 32:28). You see that? He prevailed with God.

Prevailing with God doesn't mean forcing Him to do something; no. It's winning first in the spirit! It's when you continue in heartfelt intercession until you gain the victory in your spirit; seeing and apprehending your victory in the spirit. When you win first in the spirit, nothing in this world will be able to successfully stand against

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Is TB Joshua Hiding In Mexico? by Joagbaje(m): 5:09am On Sep 15, 2015

vooks:
I have noo idea how an 18 months old clip of SCOAN 'deliverance' is supposed to make us forget that TB Joshua is a fugitive from justice who brutally murdered 116 fools

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX43lBn3dEA

That doesn't make him guilty of offence. Paul was a fugitive too

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Crying Profusely While Preaching:"jesus Is Coming Very Soon" -VIDEO by Joagbaje(m): 11:27pm On Sep 14, 2015

Very touching video, especially towards the end.those tears are heart breaking

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Can't Worship In A Church Where A Woman Is @ The Helm Of Affairs by Joagbaje(m): 5:19pm On Sep 03, 2015

What do you think of Deborah in the bible who led a whole nation of Israel . And army generals submitted to her.

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Can't Worship In A Church Where A Woman Is @ The Helm Of Affairs by Joagbaje(m): 5:10pm On Sep 02, 2015

altamaurice:
My opinion is based on my beliefs which were formulated from the bible....joyce Meyer has her beliefs and convictions....

It may pass as your personal opinion. But it's of scripture based . The issue of home is different from church. There had been women spiritual leaders i the bible both in the old and the ew testament . Even though I said it may pass as personal opinion but as we grow we need to submit personal feeling to the word of God.

Christianity Etc › Re: Please I Need Sincere Bible Quotations On This Issues! by Joagbaje(m): 5:55am On Aug 08, 2015

JESUS MOHAMED

Christianity Etc › Re: Please I Need Sincere Bible Quotations On This Issues! by Joagbaje(m): 5:55am On Aug 08, 2015

I'm going to type Jesus and Mohamed in capital letters now and see the out come

Art, Graphics & Video › Re: Get Cheap And Affordable Graphic Designs by Joagbaje(m): 5:49am On Aug 08, 2015

JESUS MOHAMED

Christianity Etc › Re: Can Paedophilia Be Described As A Sexual Orientation? by Joagbaje(m): 7:44am On Aug 02, 2015

Every perversion is demonic . Not an orientation. Nobody is created that way

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