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Christianity Etc › Re: Do Churches Fail The Poor? by Joagbaje(m): 6:27am On May 18, 2015

Church is not charity organization . Church is nit called to do the work of the government . Church is called to preach the gospel . What the poor need from the church is the gospel

Luke 4:18
The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor. . .

Luke 7:22
Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.

However , the church has care system primarily for the poor in the church. But if the church does charity outside its commendable but not its primary responsibility .

Christianity Etc › Re: The Message Of Salvation In The Bible Does Not Ambiguously Reference All Era by Joagbaje(m): 6:18am On May 18, 2015

There are different standard of salvation in different dispensation . Before law came, during the law era, church age and the tribulation and post tribulation time But christ death paid for all . The Old Testament saints can't be perfected without the church Land christ blood .

Hebrews 11:40
God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

Christianity Etc › Re: Sinful Acts Inflicts Sicknesses And Diseases On A Sinner by Joagbaje(m): 6:00am On May 18, 2015

Yes sin do open doors of affliction on people but it's not a general thing . Some affliction comes medically or naturally some comes as attack of the enemy .and Some come for Gods glory .

John 9:2-3
And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind? Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

Christianity Etc › Re: Who Is The Most Powerful Pastor/prophet In Nigeria Be Host Pls by Joagbaje(m): 5:57am On May 18, 2015

None, Gods judgement of greatness is not by mans standard . He judges each man according to his faithfulness to his calling. A faithful street preacher is greater than an unfaithful general overseer . It's not our place to measure greatness .

2 Corinthians 10:12
. . .but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.

Christianity Etc › Re: Most New Generation Churches Don't Say The Lord's Prayer by Joagbaje(m): 5:48am On May 18, 2015

Hiploko:
I have been wondering why this is so. Is it because of the dislike/unhealthy competition they have for a catholic church or for a Cherubim and seraphim church that say it often. Afterall, Christ himself advised we pray like that... Just thinking aloud

That' was given before the church was born and before the Holy Spirit came . Now we pray in the spirit and by the spirit . They didn't recite so called " Lord's Prayer " on Pentecost day.

John 4:23
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

Christianity Etc › Re: Is It A Sin To Miss Church On Sunday?? by Joagbaje(m): 10:21am On May 17, 2015

misreal:
I see a lot of people idolizing going to church on Sundays.dont get me wrong,I go to church but I just have one question to ask which is..IS IT A SIN NOT TO GO TO CHURCH ON SUNDAY??support your anwers with biblical references if possible.

It is wrong to miss church meetings .It's not just about Sunday service alone . But any gathering that you are supposed to be a part .edpecially if its a willful diobediencec

Hebrews 10:25-26
Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Christianity Etc › Re: Please I Need Help On This Matter!!!! by Joagbaje(m): 5:34am On May 10, 2015*

The matter is very simple . Some questions has to to be asked to get right COUNSELL.
Firstly.
WHY DID HE PART WAYS WITH HIS BOSS

Luke 16:12
And if ye have not been faithful in that which is another man's, who shall give you that which is your own?

If their separation was due to not being faithful to his boss then he has laid a wrong foundation for himself . Which will not go until he repents.
1 Corinthians 4:2
-- Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful.

ON WHAT GROUND IS HE STARTING A CHURCH

Did God call him to start a church or a ministry or it was born under contention? Some are called to serve under another minister. Just as Timothy served Paul and pastored under him. The best place for any man is where his calling is. Whatever God has t called you to do there will be no grace or ability for it. No matter how much you try. Church is not business . Even if God had called him. There's a right timing .

It's only him and his G.O who can tell us details of what transpired . But I think that's where the problem is. Ahithiopel was anointed with wisdom to serve David . But when he left David. His wisdom became foolishness .

TRANING

Lastly ,what training does he have . Ministry is about people . Having people's interest at heart to help them fulfil Gods purpose . You go out there and win them and bring them in to feed them. Is he feeding the people?. Sheep will go to where the grass is . Preaching on another mans pulpit may be sweet and exiting .you may even feel you can do it better than the leader , But when you carry the burden of leadership. You realize it takes a calling

Hebrews 5:4
And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.

One of the proof of calling on a mans life is result .

1 Corinthians 9:2 (KJV Strong's)
for the seal (proof) of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Photo: Holy Land Tour With Pastor Chris by Joagbaje(m): 6:09pm On May 08, 2015

ProPastorChris:
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Thanks shalom

This evening begins sabbath over here so we greet "Shabbats shalom"

Christianity Etc › Re: If We Give Room To Gay Marriage We Must Give Room To Bestiality.m. by Joagbaje(op): 1:16pm On May 08, 2015

Atigba:
Thought Jesus died for our sins

We no longer live in the old testerment lawslaws

We re now in the new testerment

Romans 1:27
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Photo: Holy Land Tour With Pastor Chris by Joagbaje(m): 12:50pm On May 08, 2015

Wey my picture Na ? I dey there too

Christianity Etc › Re: Loveworld News- News Updates of the BLW Nation (CE Church) by Joagbaje(m): 10:37pm On Apr 28, 2015

Gombs are you back from south Africa

Christianity Etc › Re: Etcetera Says “church Is Leading You Straight To Hell!” by Joagbaje(m): 7:43am On Apr 28, 2015

4.The Jesus of today’s church is a “Father Christmas,” a Jesus who exists mainly for our own “happiness;” a Father Christmas who wants to rain down continual blessings upon us; a Jesus of grace and mercy without judgement, righteousness or truth. Our gross misrepresentation of who Jesus really is, is one of the most serious offences of today’s church. We worship a “plastic” Jesus – one that we have painted in our own image. What an offence to God.

Jesus will always be who he is "love"

John 15:13
Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends

So what other Jesus are you looking for ? The " PUNISHER?

Christianity Etc › Re: Etcetera Says “church Is Leading You Straight To Hell!” by Joagbaje(m): 8:36pm On Apr 27, 2015

Mickheal:
, you have to admit that something is wrong with the church.

Not at all . Something is rather wrong with your theology .

1.There is almost no evidence whatsoever that the early church had their “services” on a Sunday.

The evidence is all over the New Testament if you read it. If you ever come across the phrase " first day of the week " or " the lords day" they all refers to Sunday . Sometimes " eight day" refers to Sunday also .

They gathered together ‘from house to house’ virtually every day! People did not dress up and “go to church.”

They meet in fragments in houses daily but gather collectively on Sundays .

There were no denominations or separate groups with different ‘labels.

Denominational names are for the purpose of registration and assignments . Some of the apostles had churches under them which they pioneered . Peter had disciples ,James had , john had churches under him which he oversee paul had churches under his leadership . But the body was still one under christ .

And the apostles in Jerusalem preached everyday at a huge open-air gathering, not “hidden away” inside four walls.

It's not the building that made the church but rather the gathering . They met in different places , open air ,synagogue, private houses and school auditoria. Same still applies today .

Acts 19:8-9 (American Standard Version - ASV)
And he entered into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, reasoning and persuading as to the things concerning the kingdom of God. . . . . . he departed from them, and separated the disciples, reasoning daily in the school of Tyrannus.

Church buildings do not exist in the Bible.

Having a beautiful and confortable place of worship is honor for God. The place where God is worshiped and called on shouldn't look like shrine . But rather excellent . Take a clue from the church in the wilderness . It was beautified . David temple was beautified. Jesus cleansed the temple . It's a house of prayer . It's should be honorable . The early church may not have settled for a building because of persecution.

2.The words “prosper” or ‘prosperity’ were NEVER used by Jesus at all –

WRONG: Salvation is prosperity Jesus used it. The apostles used it. What is your understanding of prosperity? Prosperity is having your needs supplied to fulfil Gods assignment .

3.Tithing is not a New Testament practice at all.

It's a kingdom eternal principle ,just as prayer, fasting,worship , alms giving etc. offerings it didn't originate in the law.

, tithing was only applicable to Jews

Abraham our father of faith from who we learned about tithing was not a Jew .

. So my brothers and sisters, you need to ask your pastor why he is collecting tithes here in Nigeria

Tithes don't belong to the pastor neither do offerings or any church money . Christ our high priest recieves our tithes[/quote]

Also, the only people authorised to receive tithes were the Levites – (Hebrews 7:5). If your pastor is collecting tithe from you, ask him if he’s from the tribe of Levi.

Melchizedek was not a levite he collected Abraham tithe .

Even Jesus who was a Jew couldn’t collect tithes because he wasn’t from the tribe of Levi but from that of Judah. And if your pastor insists that being a worker in the lord’s vineyard qualifies him as a Levite, please remind him that Levites had no land and did not own properties.

A Levitical structure was on in the days of christ .As much as church money doesn't belong to the pastor ,just as levite recieved support through tithes and offerings ,Jesus ordained that a full time pastor ought to RECIEVE support from church . Either as allowances or salary or whatever structure .

1 Corinthians 9:13-14 (KJV Strong's)
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel

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Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome Rocks Indian Attire To The Loveworld Festival by Joagbaje(m): 11:09pm On Apr 26, 2015

Ishilove:
1Cor 11: vs 3-7. But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head. But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is the same as having her head shaved. For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head.

A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man.

The passage was a contrast to Jewish culture that doesn't permit a man to appear before God without a veil to cover his face. It was a sign of unworthiness of man. But paul was now admonishing them that now in christ they are free to appear before God without the veil of unworthiness. So if you wear a cap or turban as fashion .its a choice so long as you're not doing it as a form of shamefacedness or seance of unworthiness

Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Chris Oyakhilome Rocks Indian Attire To The Loveworld Festival by Joagbaje(m): 11:00pm On Apr 26, 2015

Ishilove:
What is it with Pastor Chris and covering his head on the pulpit?? Am i missing something here?

Nothing is wrong with wearing something on your head. It's a choice. Don't bishop and pope wear

Christianity Etc › Re: The Back From The Dead Gospel by Joagbaje(m): 10:58pm On Apr 26, 2015

Too long to read. Op kindly go to your point in summary . What is back from the dead?

Christianity Etc › Re: VIDEO: People Go CRAZY Inside TB Joshua's Church!!! by Joagbaje(m): 12:07am On Apr 23, 2015

plaetton:
Go to musical concert, soccer or basketball game in any large stadium, and you would observe the same spontaneous, electrifying feeling of overwhelming excitement and euphoria.
I have felt it before.
Pentecostal megachurch Christianity is 90% showbusiness. .

So what do you say about this passage then?

Luke 4:33-34
And in the synagogue there was a man, which had a spirit of an unclean devil, and cried out with a loud voice, Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art; the Holy One of God.

Is it thesame with your soccer overwhelming excitement and euphoria? cool

Christianity Etc › Re: VIDEO: People Go CRAZY Inside TB Joshua's Church!!! by Joagbaje(m): 9:48pm On Apr 22, 2015

It's the power of God in action ,casting out devils .

Luke 4:33-34
And in the synagogue there was a man, which had a spirit of an unclean devil, and cried out with a loud voice, Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art; the Holy One of God.

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Christianity Etc › Re: All u need to know abt speaking with TONGUES by Joagbaje(m): 4:11am On Apr 18, 2015

Final note .
There's difference between the gift of diversity of tongues and praying in tongues . One is for people hearing the other is between you and God . Not every christian has the gift of diversity of tongues but every christian ought to be able to pray in tongues

Speaking in tongues is used in different ways . In preaching in prophecy and in prayer to God . Speaking in tongues is used generally or interchangeably but if we study in context it's easy to know what aspect is being addressed in a passage

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Christianity Etc › Re: All u need to know abt speaking with TONGUES by Joagbaje(m): 6:26pm On Apr 17, 2015

vooks:
1 Corinthians 14:27 King James Version (KJV)
27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

Pastor,
Please note the immediate preceding verse. It talks of SPEAKING which you insist is different from PRAYING in tongues. But in verse 28 you have just quoted, the tongue speaker minus interpreter is asked to zip it and to speak to himself and God. Now,speaking to God would mean praying.

This establishes a few things;
1. SPEAKING and PRAYING in tongues is an artificial distinction that's not warranted by the scriptures as they are used interchangeably here
2. Whatever (speaking/praying) has no interpretation should be kept private as it is of no benefit to nobody in the congregation.

Later Paul says;
1 Cor 14:23 (KJV) If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

It don't appear logical that Paul approves public praying in tongues without interpretation yet censures speaking in tongues publicly minus interpretation. Here is why; an unbeliever/unlearned in a congregation of uninterpreted tongues, praying/speaking would think you are mad. They would not make no distinction. They would think you are mad because whatever you are vocalizing is gibberish. Unless you mean, they would be excited that you are praying in unintelligible language but put off if you were praying instead of speaking.

I've explained this severally on this forum. There are different used of "tongues " it's either in prayer or giving a message . The part you quoted is not about individual prayer but prophesying in tongues . If you give messages to a sinner in tongue, thats madness ! But when you give him message fom God in his understanding he is edified.

1 Corinthians 14:24-25 (KJV Strong's)
But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth.

Note he didn't say "praying in tongues" but speaking

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Christianity Etc › Re: Prosperity Is An Ability by Joagbaje(op): 6:15pm On Apr 17, 2015

I asked the question. Because I know the foundational understanding of it is where the problem lies

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Christianity Etc › Re: Any Evidence That Christ Really Exists Without A Bible Backing by Joagbaje(m): 6:12pm On Apr 17, 2015*

PAT4HOT:
These thoughs has been going through my mind if Christ really exist (infact if there is a deity) as proclaimed by the world over.

I am more interesting with the Christianity aspect of it as am in a Christian dominated part of the world. So my worry is, HOW CAN I BE CONVINCED IF CHRIST TRULY OR REALLY EXIST WITHOUT A BIBLE QUOTATION?

Please I need matured answers only and no insults please.

The calendar has your answer . What is the meaning of 2015 AD ?

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Christianity Etc › Re: I Heard Rubbing Crude Oil Chases Away Evil Spirits.. Myth Or Fact? by Joagbaje(m): 4:07pm On Apr 17, 2015

The spiritual realm can only be contacted spiritually . Not by objects

Christianity Etc › Re: Prosperity Is An Ability by Joagbaje(op): 4:05pm On Apr 17, 2015

davidylan:
so where was the prosperity of the early disciples?

What is prosperity? Is it Extravagant life?

Christianity Etc › Re: Money Keeps Disappearing Mysteriously. by Joagbaje(m): 4:02pm On Apr 17, 2015

gdcomms:
Hello NL. A friend of mine complained to me how her parents' money has been disappearing from the house for some time now. The first time the father experienced it was when he kept a good amount in a safe and keys in his pocket and a sealed room, still with keys in his pocket. When he came back later, he could't find the money and accused the eldest son who was not even at home. Later on he changed the location and will keep in a box full of dresses, but he will open the sealed box with everything in tact but no money. This friend is in South Africa now and the same thing is happening to her, until she can not save. Each time she collects money to execute a project, the money will just disappear, though she lives alone. She has prayed all manners of prayers but situation is unchanged. Anyone ever come across such a situation, and what is the way forward? IT IS INDEED WEIRD!! Positive contributions are welcome.

Its a simple thing . It's what is mostly called "marine" spirit in certain circle , get to the pastor or anyone who is experienced in casting devils out. A demon is involved .

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Christianity Etc › Re: All u need to know abt speaking with TONGUES by Joagbaje(m): 3:43pm On Apr 17, 2015

vooks:
And it is rather clear that whether praying/speaking, if the others don't understand it, you should keep quiet
1 Corinthians 14:16 New King James Version (NKJV)
16 Otherwise, if you bless with the spirit, how will he who occupies the place of the uninformed say “Amen” at your giving of thanks, since he does not understand what you say?
1 Corinthians 14:1 6Amplified Bible (AMP)
16 Otherwise, if you bless and render thanks with [your] spirit [[a]thoroughly aroused by the Holy Spirit], how can anyone in the position of an outsider or he who is not gifted with [interpreting of unknown] tongues, say the Amen to your thanksgiving, since he does not know what you are saying?

This is the MOST ignored bit by the Pentecostals and they move heavens defending their ignorance instead of submitting to the counsel of the Spirit

That is only applicable when you're speaking in tongues for others to hear for . For example you're praying for me or on my behalf I need to hear what you're saying . It's a prayer of agreement . It's a corporate thing. But when you're talking to God as an individual , there's no need for interpretation. You're edifying yourself . Each person can talk to God alone. So the rule is: if you want to pray for us or pray on our behalf ,carry us in understating . Or pray to God alone without us.

1 Corinthians 14:28
But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

So he is allowed to edify himself and talk to God in tongues without interpretation. Hope you get the point . When we all pray in tongues . We are praying individually . But If one person must pray on our behalf he must speak what we can agree with

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Christianity Etc › Re: Prosperity Is An Ability by Joagbaje(op): 4:10am On Apr 17, 2015

So why will God afflict his children with poverty? Is that candid tent with his provision in christ?

Christianity Etc › Re: All u need to know abt speaking with TONGUES by Joagbaje(m): 2:21am On Apr 17, 2015

sportsmaster:
u still dont understand the 1cor14..lemme do a breakdown for U.
From 1cor1-4..Paul laid a foundation/premise abt tongues speaking and interpretation..from verse 5-40 is abt conduct in the church..if u read 1cor14:40."let everything be done decently and in order"...
1cor14:5-means when u speak with tongues in the church i.e lets say u are addressing the church and you are speaking with tongues,that would not edify the church,it is only when u interprete that the church will receive edification....

where does 1cor14vs15 says do it in your mind..1Cor14:15-"what is it then?I will pray with the spirit,and i will pray with the understanding(the understanding in this context means interpretation)"
1cor14:27-28 never said there must be an interpreter,it says "IF there be no interpreter"...notice the word "IF"
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The bible never said that if the whole church speaks in tongues its useless.
1cor14:22--Tongues are for a SIGN(not edification)to them that believe-not(unbelievers)..tongues are signs for unbelievers.
1cor14:23-24..i want u to read that personally..and pay attention to details every single word matters....
1cor 12:7-"the manifestation of the spirit is given to every man"..this simply means every man can FUNCTION IN/MANIFEST all the gifts of the spirit...
Every christian can function in all the gifts of the spirit..
Anybody (christians) that can speak with tongues and cannot interprete yet needs a sound teaching abt tongues and interpretation,he/shde needs to be taught...
SELAH

Beautiful response. There's difference between praying in tongues to God to edify oneself and "speaking in tongues for the hearing of brethren especially in prophecy . One is talking to God , the other is talking to people . That's the foundation that many people are missing

Christianity Etc › Re: Prosperity Is An Ability by Joagbaje(op): 2:15am On Apr 17, 2015

Kay17:
My point is clear, Job is a very clear example that your message is false. God sends evil to the way of good people like Job.

James 1:16-17 (KJV Strong's)
Do not err, my beloved brethren. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

Hes a good God.

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Christianity Etc › Re: SOULWINNING : Scriptures and tips To Aid by Joagbaje(op): 2:10am On Apr 17, 2015

Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Has Been Abolished by Joagbaje(op): 8:35am On Apr 16, 2015

PastorKun:
I don't need to abuse you, you have already heaped more than enough curse on your head by yourself.

Aha ! This sounds more like you.

But you should kindly Read Gen 3:5.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Law Has Been Abolished by Joagbaje(op): 3:27am On Apr 16, 2015

You no abuse me today kilode? I hope all is well o.

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