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I'm yet to see any proof that he was a pastor, before I insulting churches and ministers let's have proof he was ever a pastor,

What's the proof he's a pastor.

mubarakopeyemi:
My question is simple.

Why do you christains dissociate from the OT? simple!

Because Christianity is based on the new testament. It's as simple as that.

2 Corinthians 3:14
But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

lepasharon:
There is no violence in the bible ?

The question that brought my response was about violence in Christianity not about violence in Bible

cold:
You disingenuity comes as no surprise to me. It's second nature to you.Like peak milk..it's in you. Your blatant falsehood has been exposed on this forum severally. You shouldn't even be making comments on here. Have you no shame?

If you don't have anything intelligent to say just keep quite. And stop derailing thread

lepasharon:
How sure are you about this ?

Quote instances from the Bible.

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Awesome

makzeze:
Nigerian Man Starts Preaching In London Bus And Is Told To Shut Up Or They Call The Police

A Nigerian man took to a London bus and starting constituting a nuisance of himself there preaching. In the UK, he would most likely be disturbing the peace and could be arrested. The preacher kept insisting that the passengers hear him out ‘because I am preaching the word of life.’


An annoyed female passenger who was obviously frustrated with the preacher’s refusal to get off the bus yelled at him, ‘Idiot!’ He further shocked passengers with his refusal to get off the bus and just stayed on disturbing the peace. It became so embarrasing that the driver stopped the bus and told the passengers he wasn’t moving the vehicle till the preacher gets off.



Another visibly angry passenger even yelled at the preacher threatening to call the police. She was even backed by another man who insisted the preacher must get off the bus or get arrested.



‘Well, it’s up to you,’ the preacher replied.

http://amebobook.com/nigerian-man-starts-preaching-in-london-bus-and-is-told-to-shut-up-or-they-call-the-police/

That's a good rugged preacher . I like him

cold:
The bible has as many violent verses as the quran. This is not surprising as both books were plagiarised from the torah. Moreso the quran which reads like a copy and paste of the old testament with a few tweaks here and there.
The early of christianity was rife with violence and bloodshed.

Christianity was never plagued with violence. Christianity has always been about love of God in provable life. Ever before Islam existed

nlMediator:
Thank you for posting the videos. I watched all three. They shed some light, but I'm not sure they answer the questions raised. I'll continue to work on the topic to gain a fuller understanding.

Jesus paid the price ,not to God or the devil but to justice .

The passage you quoted makes reference to the antichrist

ace1:
Considering the close relationship between Jesus and Peter, why is there no gospel account of Peter in the bible?

He wrote 1pet and second pet

MizMyColi:
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Moses never mentioned the name of Satan.

He wrote the book of job


Job 1:6
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and [b]Satan[/b] came also among them.

David never mentioned the name of Satan.

David wrote most psalms

Psalms 109:6
6 Set thou a wicked man over him:
and let Satan stand at his right hand.

Men didn't have revelation of Satan at that time. Only few who had prophetic gift did like David ,moses zechariah etc. So that didn't mean he wasn't operating.

Zechariah3:1
3 1 And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him.

2 Peter 1:5-6
And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance… ().

“Temperance” is from the Greek word, “egkrateia,” which means self-control; the ability to hold oneself in; self-restraint. This is connected to every area of your life, as a child of God, and the beautiful thing is that you don’t have to pray to God to grant you the ability for self-control; it’s one of the fruits of the recreated human spirit.

Our opening scripture clearly lets you know that you’re not “deficient” of self-control, because it uses the verb, “add”; it says you should add temperance to knowledge. You couldn’t add it if you didn’t have it! It’s in your spirit! When a Christian says, “I don’t know why I can’t control myself,” he or she has refused to accept the truth of God’s Word. When you received Christ into your life, your spirit was enabled with self-control. Therefore, you must learn to take charge of your life from your spirit!

The Bible says, “He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls” (Proverbs 25:28).
Refuse to allow anything get you agitated, fretful or aggravated! Learn the value of patience. In a situation where those around expect you to get into a rage, hold yourself in! Exercise self-restraint. You can so rule over your spirit that when you’re provoked, you suddenly put up a smile and remain calm.

What if there’re addictions you want to get rid of?Temperance is in you to overcome addictions. The Bible says, “For sin shall not have dominion over you...” (Romans 6:14). Tell yourself, “I won’t do this thing, because sin can’t lord it over me.” Don’t talk to the addictions, talk to yourself; talk to your own spirit. That way, you’ll free yourself from anything that’s of the flesh, because you have control from within.


CONFESSION

I’m not subject to worldly desires, because I have power over sin! I’m temperate, dignified, sound in faith, with my spirit, soul, and body yielded to the Lord as instruments of righteousness for His glory. Halleluiah!

vooks:
You will learn something when you let Paul speak and not your theories.

This choice of language is unecesary. Communicate humbly . just in case you were wrong you can take it with grace .

vooks:
At what point in Revelation does Jesus return?

And at what point do we have Rapture?

Why the emphasis in Revelation

vooks:
[b] 1Thessalonians 2:1-8 King James Version (KJV)
2 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming[/b]

Brethren,
Let's go back to first century and ask ourselves.
Why were the Thessalonians so rattled by the erroneous notion that Christ had returned,that it took Paul to an entire chapter of explaining the events which would occur before Christ returned?

Thanks for your contribution. Firstly the scripture you quoted was 2thess 2. And not 1Thessalonians 2. As you indicated.
Secondly Paul was not making reference to the rapture but rather the second coming which will be 7 years after the rapture. He did the teaching to clear the air about the erroneous teaching about second coming. He firstly made know the preceding events to the second coming as you indicated but if you observe he also pointed out the mysterious event that must take place before all these. Which is the fact that the church will first be taken out of the way before emergence of the anti Christ .it's the presence of the church that is preventing the anti Christ from being made manifest. And this son of perdition will be revealed as soon as the church is taken up out of the way.

2Th 2:6 — 2Th 2:7
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

MrPresident1:
Mark 13:24-26
24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

So the tribulation isn't just starting, it is ending. And when it ends, Christ will come.

The scriptures you quoted makes reference to the second coming of Christ and not the rapture. The rapture and the second coming are 2 different event. In my understanding, the second coming is at the end of tribulation when Christ returns to the earth with saints from heaven . And deliver Israel as a nation. But the rapture is what ushers the world into the 7 year tribulation.

vooks:
You who believe it is not the last event should also give us bible references.

1Th 4:15 — 1Th 4:17
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1. Rapture is the resurrection of the saints

Rapture is the catching up alive of living saints ,not dead saints. Resurrection is the taking up of dead saints and others .

For those who believe that rapture is last event can we give bible references on this.

Annunaki:
If it's working for him, he won't need to start begging people for money to buy Jet. Even our Nigerian pastorpreneurs didn't have to do appeal fund to buy their own jets.

It's not a personal jet. It's a ministry jet. But I can speak for him on that, neither can you .

vooks:
What is disgusting is peddling false hope and making millions while at it.

That's your personal opinion and judgement . And that doesn't make your judgement of him right . Many people in Nigeria have been blessed by his teaching on TV. How many of them have sent money to him?

Nobody complains abo Christians being poor

We read it here all the time.

poverty is is fact of life for both heathens and believers.

That's a message from hell . In my opinion . But you're entitled to yours . Just as creflo is entitled to him. You believe in poverty ,someone else believes in prosperity. Let everyone face his calling. Let God be the judge

He is not teaching them how to prosper bu how to surrender the little they have to him.

How many people in Africa who had been blessed by him surrenders their money to him? Did he demand we send money to him. What's the point of the baseless accusation . Even if they do . Is anyone complaining?

Ever thought it through? If the principles worked, he would sow all he has including t aging jet and reap 100-fold in this life!

But he does not, instead he wants you pampering him, meeting all his whims

Did he say he doesnt give? That's where prosperity critics miss it. Any teacher of prosperity must first be a giver . Why not search and see the giving which he has done ? The message they teach must first work for them

Goshen360:
Look, the problem is, you can defend these guys and their allies all the way. I, personally care less but my personal issue is, I will stand for the truth even if it's my pastor that preaches error.

Creflo, by that statement made it look as if the ONLY reason why Jesus died is for us to lay hold on FINANCIAL PROSPERITY, WEALTHY LIVING. I do say Christians should be poor but we've talked about this before, scripture prosperity goes beyond just money but these guys keep yapping money money as if money is everything.

A man narrows on what he wants to achieve for the people. If I teach on Soul winning , I should focus on it as though that's all jesus die for. Same way if I teach against sickness or failure . Etc. You can't judge a man's message by o e post. I've heard him teach on charity,attitude ,holines ,character,marriage ,diligence etc . And other topics .

HOSEA 4:6
My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee…

Many years ago, Malaria was dreaded as a deadly disease, because it was said to have no cure. If somebody contracted it, it was like a death sentence. Many missionaries from Europe who came to Africa contracted it, and didn’t survive. But because man discovered the cure, when one is infected with Malaria, it’s no longer dreaded as a terminal ailment. It was the same with Tuberculosis: those who were infected had to be quarantined or ostracized. But when man discovered the cure, it ended the fear of Tuberculosis.

Man fears what he has no knowledge of. Once he understands it, the fear is gone. The mystery is taken away once knowledge arrives. It’s the same thing with the matters of faith. When we don’t understand how to apply our faith in a given situation, we become skeptical, judgmental, afraid, and unbelieving. But once we understand how it works, the confusion is removed, the mystery is taken away.

All you need is the knowledge of God’s Word so you can put the Word to work. Once you have the accurate knowledge of the Word, nothing in this life will mystify or discomfit you; no matter what the problem is, you just know that you’ll come out victoriously.

Those who don’t know the Word are the ones who get overwhelmed by trouble and defeated by the crises of life. Get to know the Word. Have an insatiable appetite for God’s Word. Hosea 6:3 says, “Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the Lord….” Getting the knowledge of God’s Word is one of the most important things you can do for yourself; that’s what will put you over in life, and keep you on the offensive, against the adversary.

PRAYER

Dear Father, I thank you for filling me with the knowledge of your Word in all wisdom and spiritual understanding. Nothing is a mystery to me, because as I meditate on your Word, the Holy Spirit unveils spiritual realities to me, enlightening the eyes of my understanding to know and apprehend my inheritance in Christ! I live triumphantly because I live by the knowledge of your Word, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

vooks:
Disgusting!

And what is disgusting there ? You complain Christian are poor , then someone's comes to teach them how to prosper and shows them what's available to them . We call it disgusting.

There have been 3 schools of thoughts about rapture . The catching away of the saints . I observed that each one has strong bible reason to believe so . Can we make those presentations here . So that they can be reviewed. One of the major points also is the fact that one side believe that Christians will go through tribulation while the other holds that we would be gone before tribulation time .

Marchman:
If Joe's principle were to be true, the early Christians would have been very, very rich. But history recorded that most of them died poor and were persecuted. Paul was an artisan who made nets and relied on gifts to survive. Surely this principle should have made him very rich. But Joe would tell you that revelation is progressive and that's why such knowledge is common now.

Secondly if Joe's principles work, like 2 plus 2 makes 4, then you don't need to save. You just give out your money and you receive huge sums in return. But no organization saves like the church. Then you try telling that to the church when you need help about how giving is good. They will tell you the church is not a charitable organization. Surely that principle should work for them too?

The Joe's principle is sweet when you are at the receiving end, like the church.

I pointed to the teachings of the bible. Take up your argument with Christ not joe

vooks:
Did this reach the saints in Jerusalem because they verily received the gospel but remained dirt poor?

It was a challenge they faced. Everyone can face challenges. They are temporal . It was a national economic disaster. It affected the whole region. But the church reached out to saints there.

vooks:
There are countless who were also poor. John the Baptist is one.

Here is something you never read;
Hebrews 11:35-38King James Version (KJV)

35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:

36 And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:

37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;

38 (Of whom the world was not worthy they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
Description is not prescription negro.
This is why you don't have concubines like David,Abraham,Saul,Solomon.

NOBODY in history of Christianity made a tidy fortune preaching the gospel....UNTIL under 100yrs ago when New Thought and Prosperity madness erupted.

No apostle was poor by choice; they were poor because they had enough sense not to swindle the masses. They preached eternal life to dying masses and they did it for free

It's a choice. Every child of God must not be rich ,but at least they have the right to know what belongs to them. Your choices in life are based on knowledge , ignorance and callings

EMILO2STAY:
see what is coming out of a so called man of God/pastor of a christ embassy church, haa!!,, now I know u are truly naïve.

Thanks for the compliment.

[quote author=dolphinheart post=38755260]1. I ask you some questions, so far no answer from you.
2.did Matt 27:52 say that those ressurected ascended to heaven? . Thought they were seen in the city.

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They appeared to some people. They didn't stay. It would have become a bigger news if they stayed back. They were relocated to heaven.

[[quote]3. Why did paul say the tomb of David is still with them, even after jesus ascension.?

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Even at resurrection, tomb will still be on earth.


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4. Jesus said , unless you are born again, you cannot see the kingdom of God, where those that died before jesus came born again?

They became perfect when the church was born

• Hebrews 11:40 (KJV Strong's)
40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

[5. The verse in Matt that you quoted occured before jesus ressurection. Did they go heaven while jesus was still in hell?]

They went with him after resurrection

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6. Now if its only the wicked that are in hell, who are the righteous that are to be resurrected in later days.?

Their bodies will be resurrected but their spirits are in heaven.

[7. Why do you not support ur beliefs with facts/quotes from the bible , especially the issue of spirits going into hell.?

OK I will. . It was time issue