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christemmbassey: bros, d fact , if tithe ever worked, christians will b d riches ppl. Bill Gate and Dangote are nt christians, d only ppl dat tithe work for, are d tithe collectors.

What of prayers does it work? If it does ,are Christians the richest people?

Adikam: Ephesians 2v20 to 22:
Built on the foundation of the apostles and prophet.wit CHRIST JESUS as the chief cornerstone.you can tell me god can be worship anywhere but to build a church for him in unclean places i disagree wit you on that.

Joseph brothers stayed in hotel,Moses stayed in a hotel ,God even appeared to him there. Jesus was to be born in a hotel but the rooms were all occupied.

Luke 2:7
And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.

Hotel is temporary abode .So What makes hotel an unclean place.

Adikam: Hello my fellow nairalanders i want to use this medium to know your mind to be sincere i think churches are not suppose to be in a hotel many things you & i sees there does not pleased god so i think god are not su'pose to worship there.whats ur mind?

You can worship anywhere . Hotel is only a temporary house . If anybody use it for wrong thing it's his business . Healing too place , salvation took place in such places so God is not against it. If it's because of the sinners there you are concerned , that should be a more reason to take church there.

Yes it can after our dispensation . In the new world.

DrummaBoy: I do not believe this comment is necessary.

I do not have multiple ID's but even if I do, what will be my profit: to give the impression that many people agree with my position? Nonsense! The fact that a lot of people agree to something doesn't make it right. It might give an impression that one side is "winning" but if a person is truly concerned about what God thinks, such a thing will never be his/her priority.

I had the wonderful experience of meeting kunleoshob (Pastor Kun) in Lagos about a month ago. As we discussed while he drove me to the motor park in his 2006 Benz car (I told him: "how come you drive a car like this and you don't pay your tithe?" lol), the impression I got of him was not of someone who will waste valuable time making multiple ID's to drive home his point of tithing. If anything, I think Pastor Kun has made his point. After writing that article in the OP, it was published in Newspapers and magazines. How many us have had such privileges? How he makes out time to come discuss tithing on a rowdy forum like this beats my imagination, despite his having to contend for time in a thriving business he heads. It shows someone that has a sincere love for Christ's church and would want people to come to the knowledge of truth.

Joagbaje, some of you could take a cue from Kun rather fleecing God's people of their hard earned resources; find a job to do - although I can tell you that making up multiple ID's to support tithing will not put food on your table!

Pant of lies ! Keep up the drama

FOLYKAZE: Instruction for Jesus or Paul? Wonder who this guys are following

What's your point

highyo: What if the composer means something else like HELLPA
which can be a name of a gods he's worshiping
or it can mean HELL-PARTY
or it can mean HELL-PASTOR
and whosoever sing and dance to it is truely dancing to hell

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I only want you to know there are satanic christains music out there
BE
CAREFUL
END TIME

Just renew your own mind and think positively . Remember what the bible says:

Titus 1:15
Unto the pure all things are pure:but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.

So even if the composer had something else in mind it will be nullified by the faith of the singer .

julietjuks: Why is tithing with money a major problem. Why are people so shortsighted and stereotyped.in those days,the Jews had their currency and commodity was the currency for trade or other financial transaction. The world has changed now. Its no more 2000 years ago HELLO!!!!!!!! The financial system and medium of exchange backed by law has evolved. Money note has become the order of the day. Why don't you tax today with commodity items or pay the doctor with same. Guys you went to school for a reason so see the answers are before you gentle men.

Tell them louder pls.

They give offerings with cash but not tithe. Why don't they bring malu and goat to church as offerings

Pastor Kun: Do you think everybody is like you using multiple ids to promote your fraudulent agenda

I have only one id. Na you bi Mr multiple id. I thought you have stopped baba agba.

More Oshob ids . It's unecessary

bolaino: Weed is one of the best things that has happened to me, but if u want to start smoking weed, pls I beg all of u, make sure u are financially buoyant, if u no get money no smoke weed ooo, u go kolo ooo,

It's demonic o

bolaino: , there are good forces, and they aren't necessarily angels. There are many deep things in this life, and these things can only be revealed to a certain few, so for the rest of us who do not have that amount of knowledge I

Well I may partially agree with you that there are beings located geographically over certain regions of the earth . for example the bible talk about certain beings called watchers

Daniel 4:17
This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones:to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.

My conclusion , these watchers are still angels. The same way demonic beings are over regions of the earth . Angels have same structure . But marine spirits are not godly . But if you think otherwise you can throw more light

It's not composolry but at the same time we should follow instruction . The pastor have good reason for calling them out. Why should someone be ashame to stand for Jesus . It shows pride really. People gave their heart to The Lord openly in bible days.

Acts 19:18
And many that believed came, and confessed, and shewed their deeds.

Sunnycliff: Most of our Nigerian Christian Ministers always pride their ministrations with video clips of people undergoing "deliverance", is this really good. The questions that come into my mind when I see most of this video clips is that;

Video recording is for record keeping . If Jesus were here he would document videos too. Sometimes when someone had been set free and you tell them what the demon confessed through them they will argue that it' can't be true .so documents don't lie.

1. What is the main purpose of not praying and letting them go without video coverage of them?

It's a matter of choice, if you document a preaching why can't you document other ministration?

2. Is that not a show of pride?
And so on....

Don't judge whst you don't know.

At times these people make some confessions that creates enemity, hatred and fear. Will it be for the benefit of heaven conscious souls? Besides some are dragged to courts, taunted and labelled with evil names and emotional stigmas and pains.

Well, I just wish that our gospel ministers and all of us will try to make this place a better world by maintaining privacies and confidential informations of the sheeps under our fold.

I agree with you here. But the problem is not the recording ,the problem is the broadcast . It's not everything that should ho on broadcast . The consent of the individual should be sought . And it should be broadcast that will glorify God and not cause offense.

Zikkyy: Money was not given as tithe, money was used to redeem the tithe. Joagbaje, you must be reading literature or publications written by your pastor,

Stop making reference to my pastor , limit discussion to points I raised. My reference is the bible .

if you read the bible, you will find that money was never given as tithe.

I have given evidence money was used as tithes .

Mark Miwerds: Oyakilome totally wrests the Scripture, contorting it into a ministry of lies.

Leave pastor oyakhilome alone na. Deal with Ola posts and the people on the thread.

VillageBoi: You're welcome Jo.

Have you looked into adapting your mount? I know there are a few dampeners that would help with the vibration the GoPro is getting from your DJI and also kill most of the rolling shutter.

Yes I have ordered for zemuse gimbal . I also have a bigger drone that can carry black magic camera and cannon 5d.

Also in the second vid... with the proximity to people and the fly-overs you're doing have you got propller guards? (always have to be very, very safe when flying).

I'm not using propeller guard since it carries more weight and reduces flight time. I thought its for learned actually but I should consider it now . Safety first since anything may go wrong technically :

By the way are you flying a Hero3 Black?

Yes I use gopro hero3 on phantom but I use canon on the bigger one which recently developed a fault . I sent it to U.S for repairs

Thanks a million for encouragement

@op

It's demonic , get a power minister to help her or reach me through my mail below

BERNIMOORE: For those pastors who says that poverty is a sin/curse in order to direct things that were supposed to be of help to the poor, read this for yourself;

that begn poor is not a curse but there has always been provision and command to take care of their need, read


Deuteronomy 15:11

For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’


Acts 20:35

In all things I have shown you that by working hard in this way we must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he himself said, ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’”

Proverbs 19:17

Whoever is generous to the poor lends to the Lord, and he will repay him for his deed. (these greedy pastors will not read these for you)

Matthew 25:35-40

For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ ...


Matthew 25:40 jesus replied;

'Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.'

if you dont give to your brother who is in need, but give tithe to pastor that use such money to enhance THEIR SELFISH and building wordly kingdoms, you have denied jesus, thereby robbing him, but if you do, jesus says that you are declared RIGHTEOUS, READ;

Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ ...

JESUS REPLIED; "whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me"

This is nonsense. It's the responsibility of every one to reach the poor, why hammering on pastors . Was Jesus speaking to pastors . Why look for every evil means to attack ministers of the gospel . This is a satanic assignment . As the saying hoes "SMOTE THE SHEPHERAD". . .

shdemidemi: Are you sure free will giving was recommended because tithing was mentioned in the law?

I don't get you pls clarify

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You should rather be concerned about you unchristian attitude and language. Tell the holyghost to wash you clean

Truth is communicated in love and humble spirit.

2 Timothy 2:24-25
And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

Image123: Tithing is not more a law of Moses than love your neighbour as yourself or honour your parents or any of the commands on mercy, judgement and faith.

It's so amazing that some people would say we should not tithe but give money to the poor. And if we must give we should only do free will giving and the reason they Recomend free will giving is because tithing was mentioned in the law. But the irony is that free will offering is in the law , alms giving is in the law also. This hypocrisy only confirm that tithing is spiritual and the devil is mad at it

@op

1 Timothy 5:17-18 LIVING BIBLE
Pastors who do their work well should be paid well and should be highly appreciated, especially those who work hard at both preaching and teaching. For the Scriptures say, "Never tie up the mouth of an ox when it is treading out the grain-- let him eat as he goes along!" And in another place, "Those who work deserve their pay!"

The irony of the matter is that most denomination pastors even recieve pay from church because the have their jobs and businesses . It's one of the first considerations because the ministry work demand so much that a pastor most times have to put his business money into the running of the church.

Those who attack pastors here don't really know the labour and sacrifice of a pastor .apart from the demanding private job of a pastor , the demanding family life, the preparation of sermons which require much studies of the bible and every readable material . Because a pastor has to delve into several issues so he must read wide .

Since his work is spiritual he must spend much time praying for Gods people.

Acts 6:4
But we will give ourselves continually to prayer, and to the ministry of the word.

While people are resting from the day he is studying . In the middle of the night he is interceding in prayers for them to stand in all the will of God. If he is into power ministry such as healing and casting out devils , he must constantly give himself to prayers.

After service he is Counselling people for hours . Some have less time for family. That's why. Paul didn't consider marriage becsuse ministry is demanding and it's a place of sacrifice .

Yet he face persecution from jobless critics and the devil especially when God begin to reward his good work with some comfort .

Galatians 6:17
From henceforth let no man trouble me:for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus.

^^^^

Soldiers

Bidam: In the mood to clear the Acts 15 debacle.
. . . Under this scenario, gentile Christians need to avoid eating meat offered to idols, but they could steal that meat? Gentiles Christians could no longer drink blood, but they could be drunkards? They needed to avoid meat that had been killed by strangulation, but could lie and murder? They needed to avoid fornication, which comes from the Greek word porneia, which means harlotry, like adultery and incest.

Good question

Demain_man: The Parable of the Pharisee and the Tax Collector

9 To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10 “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.

11 The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector.

12 I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’

13 “But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’

14 “I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”


CONCLUSION:

This is the verse that finally convinced me that paying tithe is the least important before God and the most important before the PHARISEES.

That's where you missed it. Dude. Jesus didn't condemn the man for his good deed. But for glorifying his GOOD WORK and judging his brother. Question for you. Did Jesus condemn his good work? Did he condemn his tithing? If he condemn his tithing then he condemned his fasting also. The man fast like every Jew , Jesus fasted too. The man tithed that means Jesus tithed too. These are principles . The law contained principles of the kingdom . The only problem with the law is that it lacked the power to make a man righteous. So if someone wants to be justified by deeds of the law , he has missed the point. Jesus in this passage. Didn't condemn the man for fasting or tithing rather did he not justified the other guy for not fasting and tithing. The other guy was justified because he recognized he was chopping his tithe and he repented and asked for mercy . And he was forgiven at least he repented . That means he has changed from today! So he was justified for his repentance. Why don't you repent like him.

Candour: Your G.O doesn't think so. Maybe you should correct his thinking before you attempt to correct us online. He's a disciple of Moses and Malachi when it comes to tithing. He proved that himself in his devotional.

If you say otherwise, you will be a LIAR. Incase you didn't see the particular devotional, i can repost it for your benefit.

Remember I don't converse with mockers like you, I warned you earlier. I discuss with responsible people . You may kindly exit the thread.

Mark Miwerds: learn how to read the Bible. Luke 18:12 was part of a parable. Never happened. It was no more than an illustration of a prideful man who was rejected of God, and a repentent sinner accepted.

That makes it more Beautiful then. So we just heard from the lips of Jesus how the Jews tithed. " . . .OF ALL THEIR INCOME"
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shdemidemi: Joseph did not fold his hand in prison, he tried all he could to leave prison through the baker and the bottler, we were not told how long God kept him there until his time was due in prison according to God's purpose. Anything Joseph had done or prayed at that time in prison would not work until the expected time set by God.

God gave us principles to access his blessing, prayers ,tithes,offerings are principles. If you don't do them ,you miss the benefit. Payer of Joseph was an act of faith. If you don't pray. You miss the blessing attached to it.

So in this above verse, who does the work? of course God does the work to make us do and will.

This whole thing is not based on our work or prayer or tithing. I cannot pray that God should do what he had not written about me in his will.
Romans 9
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

The will of a God does not automatically come to pass . It's by your act of faith you access the will of God. No matter how much God plan is , if you don't play your part , The will of God will not be done . These actions on our parts are principles of the kingdom.

If you don't pray, fast ,study ,meditate,give,live right, etc etc. get ready for a low life. No matter what God has ordained for you it won't come to pass.[/quote]

bolaino: I came across a scripture yesterday, and in this scripture acknowledgement was paid to certain angels of the waters, there were being made to seem like good guys,

Revelation 16:5
And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.


Firstly the events in the book of revelation are for the future. The angels of the water probably refers to some of the angels sent to the earth to pour wrath of God upon the earth and the sea in judgement

Revelation 16:1
THEN I heard a mighty voice from the temple sanctuary saying to the seven angels, Go and empty out on the earth the seven bowls of God’s wrath and indignation. . , ,3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man:and every living soul died in the sea.

If you read vs 4 and five together . It gives a sense that it's the same being sent to pour judgement on the waters.

Revelation 16:4-5 MESSAGE TRANSLATION
The third Angel poured his bowl on rivers and springs:The waters turned to blood. I heard the Angel of Waters say,
Righteous you are, and your judgments are righteous,
The Is, The Was, The Holy.

So the angel of the water simply refers to on of them ,just as he mentioned another one called the angel of the altar. But if the angels of the water refers to a different being than theses messangers sent . One thing is clear . Light and darkness don't work together. The marine spirit all are agents of darkness.

but in the christian reality of things the only forces in the waters are marine spirits "mammy water" "pappy water". so the question is are there good marine spirits? Are there angels in the waters who assist people? I would gladly welcome your discussions. .

There are no good marine spirits. They are all demonic being used by satan. Some of them may do some nice things to their victims for a season. They may appear to their victim with guise to protect them and give them Favour, (nice demons) but their love is like the love for salah ram and Christmas chicken. Feed them for a season then kill them for a feast.

Dance accepted by God has nothing to do with style. It's the demonstration of the spirit of joy . What Gid enjoys is the spirit of joy expressed in our dances. Not necessarily our dancing steps. So you can offer any dancing steps before him provided it's done in demonstrating joy in him.

Psalms 149:3-5
Let them praise his name in the dance:
let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp.
For the Lord taketh pleasure in his people:
he will beautify the meek with salvation.
Let the saints be joyful in glory:
let them sing aloud upon their beds.
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