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ooman: Do you know anything aside the bible? Do you even know your name.

You are a deranged biblical sociopath, and a brainwashed psychopath

You just read my post that I will be in the U.S for a multimedia conference. That should tell you I do some stuff. Im into art., music'and the digital world . No be only bible I sabi.

But thanks for the compliment anyway.

[quote author=Bro Pee]Why the annoncement?
"But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:[/quote ]

Jesus was dealing with imoure motives. Nothing is wrobg with open giving. There are exceptional cases. Especially Cases of vows . What he did was an open pledge. Some pledges needs to be open to help your faith so that you can be committed to it. So its not a show off matter

The world will never be converted by money, but by the preaching of the True word of God

Money plays a vital role in the preaching and spread of the gospel. Jesus took money . Paul took money. Every minister require financial partners.


Phi 4:15
15 And you Philippians yourselves well know that in the early days of the Gospel ministry, when I left Macedonia, no church (assembly) entered into partnership with me and opened up [a debit and credit] account in giving and receiving except you only.
(AMP)

nedu2000: *disappointed* I thought he was giving it out to members in need,4rm d article,he's just giving d 'offering' back to himself

Church money does not belong to the pastor. A pastor must give as any other Christian because he is first a Christian . Pastoring is only a responsibility.

frosbel: I am certain many of us here are far more wealthy than you , even when you consider all the tithes you have stolen accumulated over the years

Childish

2Co 10:12
12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves:but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wide variet

Dont worry Im coming to the U.S briefly in April for a multimedia exhibition. Hope to see you so that you can showcase this great wealth of yours
(KJVStrongs)

dare2think: Can you kindly explain this 'poverty mentality' you and your fellow greedy worshipers go on about.

How do you know Frosbel is not wealthier than you in all aspects of life?

Pls, indulge me.

Wealthy men don't talk cheap. Wealthy men don't criticize wealth .

annyplenty: I hope your comment will change when you see the sun turned to darkness and the moon turned to blood.

Nobody can pretend not to see that events are happening so fast and so strangely these days and men are afraid because of what are happening
and they dont know what might happen next.

This was the same way Noah warned people and they gave glossed away the message God was passing.

Messiah is coming. Repent and be saved. Shalom.

The bible is more current than tomorrow's news paper. These signs are only beginning . The real sorrow will take place after rapture. Heaven will lose its lights

2 Peter 3:10-11
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

Bidam: jo never said temple and priest from his quote..he said pastoral mininstry. "And He gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evengelist; and some, PASTORS and teachers; for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: (eph 4:11-12)..so are you making God a liar?

Mockers quote from the lust of their Heart . They hardly read posts or bible .

MacDaddy01: lol....your message will never reach the likes of Joagbaje!

You're right Bomboy. I only listen to truth backed with scriptural foundation. Not mockers of christian faith.

Bidam: What about Biblical sonship? Every Elijah needs an Elisha. Every Paul needs a Timothy. Every father needs a son.

Moses and Joshua. Also . It's spiritual principle .

frosbel: Let me reiterate that there are some wonderful Pastors , Deacons and Apostles out there.
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Spare us. Fros. What you have been doing is laboring to destroy the pastoral ministry which God ordained .

ooman: The antichrist will disguise to get your attention.

Bible verse pls? Or do you want to create a new bible

ooman: believe it or not, pastor chris is the anti christ

I'm still waiting . Tell us from scriptures . The bible is our reference. The antichrist will not believe in any God . He will come in his own name

John 5:43
I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not:if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Daniel 11:37
Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god:for he shall magnify himself above all.

ooman: Pstor Chris is the antichrist, he is recruiting to his armagedon army.

Really? kindly Explain this from the bible . So the antichrist is from Nigeria ? I thought he will be from Middle East

frosbel: Hirelings and their blind money worshipping followers!!!!!!

Poverty mentality. Money is a servant for gospel work dude.

frosbel: In Heb 13:17, believers are encouraged to “obey” church leaders. Interestingly, the Greek behind “obey” is not the regular Greek word for “obey.” Instead, peitho is used, which literally means “to persuade” or “to convince.” Thus, Heb 13:17 should be rendered “let yourselves be persuaded by.” This same verse also instructs believers to “submit” to the authority of their church leaders. As with “obey,” the common Greek word for “submit” is not used. Instead, hupeiko was chosen by the author, a word meaning “to give in, to yield” after a fight. It was used of combatants.
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No sir. It doesn't mean to persuade leadership but rather to be persuaded ,convicted by leadership. You can also read other translations of scholars.

Hebrews 13:17
Be responsive to your pastoral leaders. Listen to their counsel. They are alert to the condition of your lives and work under the strict supervision of God. Contribute to the joy of their leadership, not its drudgery. Why would you want to make things harder for them?


In addition . Two key words are used here OBEY and SUBMIT . nothing can be clearer than that . Except we write a new bible .

Hebrews 13:17
Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account, so that they can do this with joy and not with grief, for that would be unprofitable for you.

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frosbel: I will let the King speak :

"Jesus called them together and said, “You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. 26 Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, 27 and whoever wants to be first must be your slave— 28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve and to give his life as a ransom for many.” - Matthew 20:25-28

Obedience to leadership is a virtue not slavery.
Spiritual men see it as virtue. Rebellious ones sees it as slavery.


2Th 3:14
14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
(KJVStrongs

Logicboy03: Frosbel, abeg, do what you do best and expose this fraudulent pastor! Explain the bible quote

Bomboy , I see you are on attention seeking spree as usual

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1Co 11:1
1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
(KJVStrongs)

Heb 13:17
17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves:for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief:for that is unprofitable for you.
(KJVStrongs)

Deep Sight: I speak specifically of prayers of petition: wherein the praying persons request x or y help, act, rescue or favour from God.

Is such divine intervention consistent with the notion of a perfect God?

Yes ,God himself commanded it to be so. Dont you train children under your custody to learn to ask before doing certain things. "Daffy can I go out " or I need. A bicycle .

^^^
What lie did tell ?

If the church would not wed couple with 6 months pregnancy ,the should also not wed couple with views days pregnancy because they are supposed to remain till the wedding night . So he test is one off the ways to help people keep their christian testimony

Keep talking like a teenager. God have mercy on your soul

Chubhie: Simple art of mass psychology. It makes you feel good bout yourself.....which is the first stage in sermonizing/brainwashing. I know some of these Bishops that stock their study with the finest books on mass psychology. You need to see some of em preparing for sermon/brainwashing. I have also seen some of em that applies these books to mould destinies.

Study of human psychology is only needed in counseling , helping people out of their problems . It's only 20% required . Because real christian counseling is by the word of God. You are very wrong sermons are teachings from Gods word. And not psychological brainwashing . Ministry is the work of the Holy Spirit

Best dress doesnt mean expensive. Its about nice look. We dress for people anyway not for God. But God is not against nice look or beauty. God himself complemented beauty in the bible.

He made the high priest attire for beauty.

Exo 28:2
2 And thou shalt make holy garments for Aaron thy brother for glory and for beauty.
(KJV)


nice look and appearance is simple common sense. It doesnt have to be expensive to be good looking.

OLAADEGBU: No one is saying that you can't teach or preach on financial prosperity

Fine

, what we are saying is that the full gospel should be preached and lived not just the parts we feel we need at the expense of out souls.

I Belive we should teach the whole counsel of God . That's my stand. A christian should be balance

Don Moran didn't say its from the bible I'm not aware anyone claim its written in bible . But the principles are there

They don't have to do that to the bible it's a show of reverence even though its wrong . It's based on the pastor little understanding to display sacredness of the holy bible . That is not idolatory. The posture of kneeling down is not Idol worship either. It's only one of the gestures or positions in prayers. Jesus knelt down ,Paul' knelt down.. You don't labell every church by the practice of just one church. If you're not comfortable with a church system simply walk into another. But don't criticize

OLAADEGBU: You are missing the point here. No one is saying that prosperity is not for Christians. What we are stressing is that the so called "prosperity gospel" is at the expense of people's spiritual lives.

Maybe I don't understand your definition of prosperity Gospel.maybe a case study will do the job. My understanding is that the gospel is prosperity both Spiritually and otherwise..it is living a life of dominion over sickness , Sin, Poverty etc. a total well being .

3 John 1:2
Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.

If I tell Christians to take a stand by faith against poverty and sickness For example .In what way does it affect their soul. Prosperity Is not about money it's about functioning in the fullness of life that christ brought to us through his death. , its about renewal of mind into inheritance in christ. Domininion over sickness ,sin,poverty,and every evil work of satan in their lives.

Every preacher have a God given reason for his message. If a pastor teach on marital bliss does it mean he has missed God. Or he is in error. Most of the time when someone hears prosperity he thinks its about money. Money it's only a part, if a man is suffering in his prayer life ,that's not prosperity. If a christian is unproductive in ministry that's not prosperity . If christian is suffering in penury that's not prosperity. If a man is bound by a bad habit or drug abuse that's certainly not prosperity. It's a total message. If we criticize one part we condemn the rest . We must function in all the will of God.

It's a pastor that knows the problem of his congregation and that shoes in his messages. And seminars. Ether is prayer conference , evangelism seminar. Marriage seminar . Healing programes. Single seminar or finance or business seminar. But to now condemn one aspect at the expense of another is not justified.

Daniel058 :
you Can't doubt this"WOMEN ONLY Wear trouser to show their buttocks" and nothing more. Many of them wear the one which shows even the shape of their VIRGINA AND in this you cannot tell me nothing is wrong about wearing trouser 1corinthian 10:31"whether you eat or drink,whatever you do,do it all for the glory of God" col.3:23" Do whatever you do as if you are doing it for the lord" One shouldn't wait to be told that some certain thing are bad before trying to stop it. Ok what will you do/hoW WILL YOU FEEL TO SEE UR Pastor or priest taking INDIAN HEMP BEFORE COMING TO PREACh to You ?? Is it written in the bible that taking indian hemp is bad?? How many girls who dressed well have been raped?? WHY do people hawk their goods Is it not to attrack people to it. Or Do prostitute ever dressed normal ?? Can fowl be attracted to what it did not see ?? Please Rethink brother!!!

Your question concerning the passage has been answered. Why making other issues out of it. If you have issues with decency of dressing bring it on but on different platform. The passage has been explained it has no reference to trouser. Jesus didn't wear trouser.

truthislight: "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these other things shall be added unto you. " (Matthew 6:33).

Going by this instruction, What then should we ask for first?

"Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: " (Matthew 7:7).
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Material prosperity?

How can?

Na wao!

So did I say otherwise? The bible is clear on that

3Jo 1:2
2 Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.
(KJV)


The problem we are facing here is some folks telling us prosprrity is not for Christians .or it is materialism

OLAADEGBU: So you don't name it and claim it?

Whatever thst means . I follow the bible