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For those of you who have gone through the church process of "losing your pastor," (i.e. the pastor moved on to another location) you will be able to relate to mild depression that comes over the church, not to mention, the lack of direction. Is this depression and lack of direction because the Holy Spirit left the church? No. The problem is in the church structure because when a pastor leaves, everything the church followed left with him.

Many church split-ups happen after a pastor, under this structure, leaves the church. I have discussed this with other Christians who testify to, at minimum, members leaving the church after the pastor is gone.

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fubbyy: Am not a student but when I was I refused paying tithe because I taught its not meant for students, today som1 was trying to prove me wrong

She said as long as money enters your hand as a gift, school fees, pocket money etc.. which is yours that you are eligible to pay tithe

How true is that?

Alfamann: The church wants me to give 10 percent of my income to them. What if I made loses in my business? Does the church give me 10 percent of my loses? Do I get a credit on my future profits to cover for past losses?
How does it work?

BARRISTERS: @ZIKKY
, joagbaje is OYAKHILOME'S man and if i may tell you that they knew the truth, but choose to fight it, your time used for this is my concern! can you just leave the tread for good? i got your point clealy as any objective person will do, but unfortunately, you are talking to a WALL! here with selfish interest.

Segeggs: i believe in giving offering to God at any percentage but wont call it tithe

Candour: If it's the same principles,then the Choir,Ushers,cleaners,etc in church today will represent the Levites while ministers will represent the priests who receive 10% from the tithes of the Levites Numbers 18:26-28 and Nehemiah 10:38.This is even assuming the church is a modern form of Judaism which we all know it CAN NEVER BE otherwise Christ died in vain.

The giver eats the first tithe with his family while not forsaking the levite. Deut 14:22-27.The compassion tithe which is done every 3 years Deut 14:28-29 is given to the Levites,widows,orphans,Strangers.

i maintain he did because he was the king

. .Note he didn't tithe of his own possessions.It was tithes of all the spoils of war.if you think he did,that must mean he carried all his tithes(and they must be large because he had great possessions) with him to the war to rescue Lot and the captives.you remember he met Melchizedek when RETURNING from the war.Gen 14:17

Segeggs: the tithe ended with d law and we are now in d dispension of d spirit where nothing like tithe exists or ever existed

Candour: Yeah,you're right it's not the payee that determines utilization but God who doesn't leave his children in the dark about necessary things already explained how it was to be used.It's fully explained in Deut 14:22-29 and reminder(note:REMINDER) given in Mal 3:8-10.

General Tithe was expressly said to be given to the needy,widows,strangers,orphans and Levites who were also incapacitated from fending for themselves or having a business because of the work of the Temple and so qualified as those who NEEDED assistance.Deut 14:28-29

Abraham didn't tithe to the poor.He tithed to the king of that area because it was customary to give a tenth of spoils of war etc to the sovereign.it

frosbel: It was also never money and absolutely not on a monthly basis.

God does not eat, drink , wear our clothes , ride in a limousine or fly in a JET.

God wants us to take care of the needs of his children this is the resounding theme throughout the bible

, not building more temples, there was only one in the bible, or funding pet projects, paying fat salaries for pastors who do not work etc.

The apostles John, Peter , Paul etc never ONCE mentioned tithes,

where the focus was on meeting ALL the needs of the brethren not funding the vision of MEN.

frosbel: In the bible the tithe was not a spiritual principle, it was a LAW that had to be obeyed and when it was collected in it's various forms, was used for the priests, poor, alien and widows.

Segeggs: if the holy spirit really wanted us to tithe,it would have been stated in d NT as a direction to d early church,but such is missing. So which spirit are u talking about? The one dat brainwashes?

frosbel: If you want to pay 'tithe' for a cause which impacts directly the needy in society that is fine . . ..

Snowwy: @
. . .However it was prophesied before (Isaiah 9:6)

chinedum45: I have observed so much emphasis about payment of tithe and little or nothing said about being charitable (giving to others). I ask which helps our salvation, TITHE OR CHARITY?
Mathew25:31-46 tells us how we shall be jugded. To the charitable @ the right he shall say go into the kingdom and the non charitable @ the left he shall say go to everlasting fire. FOR WHATSOEVER U DO TO THE LEAST OF MY BROTHERS U DID TO ME.
please prove to me that we are not misled by having emphasis on tithe and nothing on charity.
IF U PAY TITHE HAVE U SETTLED GOD? OR SHOULD U STILL GIVE ALMS? WHAT PERCENT SHOULD ALMS BE?
CAN I USE THE 10% FOR BOTH ALMS AND TITHE?

zoelife: @Frosbel: its the other way round Bro. They make me rich. It is more blessed to give than to receive.

Zikkyy: @joagbaje, i see you have been reading strange books. what you wrote above is not from the bible.

I don't know where you get tithe as a spiritual principle in God's kingdom from. Even Christ in mathew 23:23 referred to tithe as a matter of the law! he did not call it a spiritual principle. if Jesus and the apostles did not teach tithe as a spiritual principle, i wonder where you got this teaching from.

I did not at anytime state that you should do away with giving a tenth of your income to your 'church'/pastor (afterall na your money), my position is that you cannot preach the giving of specific amounts as a must because by doing so, you 'legalize' the giving. i.e.

Abraham gave not because it was God's law to give. Jacob made a promise to give a tenth of his blessings; a freewill giving not driven by any law.

Thank you sir. the teaching of tithe changes motive. why teach a person who would ordinarily give 30% to give 10%? at this point he is giving not because that's what he wants to give, but because it is what you taught/coerced him to give.

Ephesians 6:2-3
Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.

Zikkyy: Since i don't understand what you meant by 'spiritual principles',

i think it's safe for me to say my giving is not based on spiritual principles you have in mind. such givings (offerings & alms) have be annulled along with tithe.

Nobody is saying don't give. the discussion is about motivation for our giving.

A-town:
Why is it that these spirits are only peculiar to Africa? Do we serve a different God? Why is it that the "Oyinbos" that actually "BROUGHT" religion to us never have these spiritual husbands/wives.
People lets wake up and stop deceiving ourselves. If you're having symptoms, please go see a DOCTOR. You may have a previously undetected illness. There is no such thing as spiritual spouse. Chikena.

Snowwy: @OP,
Whether you believe it or not, experienced it or not, they exist as familiar spirits/demons.

For Christians romancing with sin especially sin of fornication and adultery or those whose parents have had a convenant with these evil ones or initiate them to these evil ones, people who mix with bad friends or visit some very shady places for solutions sometimes unknowingly yoke themselves with demons who come in such 'spirit' husband or wife apparitions.

For those who say Christians cannot experience this, should think again. We have to constantly resist the devil.
There was a day I kept wondering how Christians still experience curses or such demonic attacks or inhabitations even after the work of Christ and then I got a revelation.

When these things curses, convenants etc are broken by accepting Christ into our lives, these things usually hover around looking for a crack to come back in and if the person still goes back to sin thinking since he is saved, he is immune and does not work out his salvation with fear and trembling and uphold God's laws, it is an avenue for the accuser of the brethren to have opportunity to come back in. Matthew 12:43-45. The devil is on a constant prowl looking for who to devour so do not make yourself vulnerable to his attacks.

We need to continually remain under the shadow of God's wings by doing His will continually with the help of the Holy Spirit and shun evil works.


In addition, 'Oyinbo' people experience same thing, they only give it medical names. Schizophrenia is one of them. It is a demonic attack given scientific name.

striktlymi: Good afternoon joagbaje,

Yes you are right but I believe that is quite different from being a husband or wife to a spirit.

striktlymi: Good morning Bag,

I do not subscribe to the notion of 'spiritual husbands'. In order for one to be married to another, some factors must come in to play. Marriage is not between a man and a spirit or a spirit and a lady. For marriage to be binding it has to be between two human beings amongst some other things.

brilapluz: am sorry 2 say dis but i tink u sud have undastood his statements witout making mockery of his xplanations..lets try 2 learn 4rm each oda..dats d only way we can get better..and wat if he insulted u initially?..two wrongs dont make a right..my just candid opinion,so dont feel offended...

christemmbassey: . As long as you pay tithe, to you, Christ has not died, you are still in ur sin. Fortunately, this @ the core of what i have to share shortly.

Zikkyy: You deliberately refused to listen so you can continue to argue here do you give alms & offering because its a requirement in the mosaic law? If you do then you are in bondage. Besides, some OT offerings were for atonement. Is that why you give offering today.

frosbel: Go and get a JOB , stop living off the poor people and those who work like donkeys to feed their families and make two ends meet.