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@OP
They actually exist . I have dealt with many cases. They hinder progress and afflict their victims with numerous hindrances such as poverty ,struggle setback , marital crisis ,sicknes infertility and many more. Many women who experience miscariages will tell you someone had sex with them in the dream and the following day they experience miscariages .

It's through knowledge you deal with them. The first step in dealing with devils is identifying them , then use the authority of the name of Jesus to command them out of your life or body as the case may be. Meditate on you rights in christ. If you command with authority and believe . It. Will leave you . You may experience coughing ,shaking ,vomit and sometime you may not . But if you experience certain manifestation on the course of expelling it and the feeling goes on for more than a day like spittle coming from you etc . Get an experienced minister to help you . It very simple.

1John 4:17
Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world

The Lord Jesus Christ is described as the image of the invisible God

Colossians 1:15
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

The Greek word for image is "eikon," from which is derived the English word "icon." So, Jesus Christ is the icon of God. In the same vein, as a new creation in Christ, you’re His ambassador; the representative and representation of Christ. That means you’re His icon. Jesus said in John 14:9,

"…he that hath seen me hath seen the Father...."

Then, Colossians 2:9 tells us that:

"…in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily."

He was the icon of God to the world. God was embodied in Him.This same glory has been conferred on us in Christ.The Bible says,

"…as he is so are we in this world" (1John 4:17).

We’re His exact image; we’re not going to be like Him, we’re like Him. We mirror Him as "He is"; not as "He was." The One whose icon we are, and whose semblance we share, is the risen and glorified Christ.We bear the image of the Second and Last Adam—Jesus Christ, the Lord from heaven (1 Corinthians15:47).

We’re the effulgence of His glory; the expressimage of His person. We’re sharers of His life and comrades of the God-kind. As He (Jesus) is the icon of God, so are we the icon of the risen, victorious Christ. Think about it, like when you operate a computer and you click on an icon, whatever that icon represents manifests. Likewise, as the icon of Christ, you manifest the personality of our Lord Jesus! Just by touching you, all the blessings in Christ manifest. You’re a bundle of blessings to the world.

mba emeka: I just read where a 'fellow christian' claimed that another is 'hiding under the veil of scriptures'. This is indeed exasperating. What should be his defence? His emotions or logic?

There has always been an order of doing things in the house of God-devoid of self aggrandizment and furtherance of personal tenets. I understand that two well meaning christians having a dispute on a biblical issue can exchange emails or phone numbers so that the issue can be treated away from 'unbelievers' and so that the right order would be adhered to. All this hypocrisy in the name of cleaning the house of God has to stop. Did God tell you to clean his house for him? Certainly not!

I can imagine the message that frosbel and goshen360 have passed across to logicboy and co. The impetus to even pat yourselves on the back whilst the atheists egg you on is even more mind boggling. Remember that any decision (no matter how worthy it appears) that is detrimental to the body of christ or that sways an unbeliever further would be held more accountable to the executer! Let those who have ears, hear.

Thank you brother. I rest my case.

Segeggs: @joagbaje
give up and stop beign stiffnecked.the tithe lie has been exposed

This is not about tithe . But what makes tithe a lie?

Goshen360: Joagbaje, where do you want us to exclusively air the truth?

What is the truth? How much do you know to judge the other man? Have you found the premise on which he stand . But to answer your question, truth should be aired with a purpose and target. We can discuss doctrines here scholastically . But name calling ,insults and abuses before sinners don't glorify christ. He will only tell you "who sent you" teaching and correction has a bible way to be communicated . And everyone has right to his belief and convictition. It's the holyghost who opens a mans understanding. There are different levels of truth. Lesser truths and greater truths. The man with lesser light has lesser truth. You can't blame him ,that's all he knows. We intercede for the Holy Spirit to open understanding of people . That's his work. We can do it by dirty fight .

You forget this is pubic forum and audience are mixed.

We should use everything thing God has given us to reach sinners , not to tear the body .

Even if it were to be Christian forum exclusively, how do you expect the whole internet audience to be Christians only.This is not church gathering and even in church gatherings, you dont expect all to be Christians without one single unbeliever

Sinners won't go surfing christian doctrines sites .

. Also, when a preacher is talk to television audience, you can't say the whole audience must be Christians even if such preacher rebukes or corrects Christians in his preaching

Preaching truth in love is different from criticism and tearing each other apart. Has anyone been able to convert the other?.

You are simply hiding under the veil of scriptures to avoid open exposure of falsehood within the body of Christ. Our house needs clean up sir.

It is not you who does the cleaning . It's the work of the Holy Spirit. Teaching truth is not judgementslism . How much of truth do you know to judge another. Oyaks says mastubation is not a sin, Goshen says premarital sex is not a sin, kuns says tithing is obsolete. You can present your point scripturally and leave it there . But attacking another for his conviction based on the light he has is unscriptural. I may not agree with your doctrine . But it shouldn't be personal. The name callings and insults to other Christians in the name of Jesus is . Fleshly and carnal. Truth is spoken in love if it's from the holygjost. Because as much as you may be right you may sill be the one in error.

debosky: There is no court case here - neither has anyone called an unbeliever to judge between brethren. This is Christians standing for what they believe is right and pointing out that which is wrong.

The court case is not the issue . The principle is thie same for every dispute either doctrinal or civil. It's dealt with in house . The issue is not who wins . But sinners watching saints tear each other apart for self righteous glory. Early church had doctrinal issue. And they respected each others conviction. I may not agree with you . Whatever you're preaching I may not agree with you but don't bring it to my door step. That's Paul's idea. He had obvious issues with other apostles . But truth is communicated in love . So long as there is a chance you might be wrong,humble yourself .

Romans 14:5-6
One man esteemeth one day above another:another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

Fighting to the death is not of God . Especially if the person you're contending with has scriptural backing for what he believes.

debosky: You want to 'hide' what is already evident to everyone - a couple quarrelling are showing they are human beings, not some saints walking on clouds. It's a different issue altogether.

This is about what Christians stand for - and this is truth.

So what I'm I hiding and what is the truth?

Goshen360: Joagbaje had been trying over the years to use emotions mixed with scriptures to shut the mouth of those who expose falsehood within the body of Christ, forgetting it's more dangerous to peddle with heresy within the body than outside the body. Our household needs clean up and God is raising the new breed of Berean church to challenge and carefully examine whatever the religious leaders had erroneously passed down to the church of God.

That's another mistake you're making. One of the reasons I avoid threads like this sometimes is the fact that some of you deliberately twist my concerns into a cover up. Very absurd. Nothing personal here . I have scriptural foundation on issues I raise.

Secondly before you go open in ridiculing your brother ,how sure are you that he is wrong and you are right. Supposing you are wrong . Besides truth is communicated in love.

Lastly have you ever wondered why Jesus said if you have issue with your brother. Go to him ALONE. Church matters either disputes or doctrine are settled in the church . Few need to discern the body of christ.

Since there tendency you may be wrong. Think twice . Paul didnt fight doctrinal matters with James at the hill of mars or agora market.

Matthew 13:29-30
But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest:and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them:but gather the wheat into my barn.

debosky: @ Joeagbaje

So you should not speak the truth in front of sinners? How do you expect to 'convert' someone if you are reluctant to criticise wrongdoing in your backyard? That is called hypocrisy and people can smell that from miles away.

Our focus should be on preaching the gospel, but that also includes exposing those that are twisting the gospel for fraudulent gain. When unbelievers see you fighting for the truth and not supporting fraud simply because someone claims to be a Christian, you have a far better chance of getting through to that person.

Hypocrisy and insincerity are the quickest ways to turn people off the gospel message.

[/quote]That's not the point. What do you say about christian couple quarreling before Neighbours who are not saved. No matter the point each is trying to communicate . I don't know if you get my point. Attacking the body of christ before sinners is wrong . You're simply destroying what you think you're building. If this were a christian forum lets fight it out if there need be. God even detest the idea of Christians selltlimg dispute before sinners. The body of christ is too honorable for this criticizing and attacking


1 Corinthians 6:5-6
I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren? But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.

Logicboy03: Hardened. This guy is a hardened fraud. Gaddem tithe hustler

Upon all the threads against your tithing ministry, you dont even shake. You spout your prosperity gospel with no remorse.

Hardcore stuff

You are in no place to discuss christian matters . Christian discuss christian doctrines dear.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:for they are foolishness unto him:neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Goshen360: Joagbaje had been trying over the years to use emotions mixed with scriptures to shut the mouth of those who expose falsehood within the body of Christ, forgetting it's more dangerous to peddle with heresy within the body than outside the body. Our household needs clean up and God is raising the new breed of Berean church to challenge and carefully examine whatever the religious leaders had erroneously passed down to the church of God.

You're making a big mistake bro. Let me just leave you guys alone . I can see you're doing good job getting logicboy saved . As you ridicule the church before sinners . Just remember christ will hold you responsible for every sinner that get harden through you. If this Were a christian forum . I won't blink an eye. But before sinners . It's a shame

Preach the gospel brother,that's what sinners need to hear. that's what glorify christ. Not judging people you know little or nothing about. Ridiculing christ body openly for sinners to be more harden against christ. Leave men to be judge by their master.

1 Peter 4:15
But let none of you suffer as a. . .busybody in other men's matters.

christemmbassey: . As long as you pay tithe, to you, Christ has not died, you are still in ur sin. Fortunately, this @ the core of what i have to share shortly.

What of offerings or alms giving if I do these things which were also commanded under the law I'm I still in sin

obadiah777: BUT YOU DO ERR OGA JO. YOU LEFT THIS OUT >>> nor print any marks upon you

It's dealing with funeral ritual not decoration.

Living bible
Leviticus 19:28
You shall not cut yourselves nor put tattoo marks upon yourselves in connection with funeral rites; I am The Lord

So YOU ERR.

Mind you I'm not an advocate for tattoo. I hate it.

Zikkyy: Another false gospel from our man joagbaje.

Where in the bible do you find this information indicating tithes and offerings as the major source of money in the house of God? ehn joagbaje?

The commandment was for the Israelite to share give their tithe to the Levites and also share with the poor & needy. It was not even meant for the store house. The first time tithe was taken to the storehouse was during the reign of King Hezekiah. It was the King Hezekiah that gave the instruction for building a storehouse in the temple for the purpose of tithe and it was due to surplus contributions.

2 Chronicles 31:9-12 (KJV)
"Then Hezekiah questioned with the priests and the Levites concerning the heaps.
And Azariah the chief priest of the house of Zadok answered him, and said, Since the people began to bring the offerings into the house of the LORD, we have had enough to eat, and have left plenty: for the LORD hath blessed his people; and that which is left is this great store.
Then Hezekiah commanded to prepare chambers in the house of the LORD; and they prepared them,
And brought in the offerings and the tithes and the dedicated things faithfully......"

You will observe the chief priest telling the King that they had so much to eat with plenty left. there was no mention of money. In the book of Nehemiah, it was clearly stated that tithe taken to the store were agricultural produce:

Nehemiah 10:36-39 (NIV)
36 “As it is also written in the Law, we will bring the firstborn of our sons and of our cattle, of our herds and of our flocks to the house of our God, to the priests ministering there.
37 “Moreover, we will bring to the storerooms of the house of our God, to the priests, the first of our ground meal, of our grain offerings, of the fruit of all our trees and of our new wine and olive oil. And we will bring a tithe of our crops to the Levites, for it is the Levites who collect the tithes in all the towns where we work. 38 A priest descended from Aaron is to accompany the Levites when they receive the tithes, and the Levites are to bring a tenth of the tithes up to the house of our God, to the storerooms of the treasury. 39 The people of Israel, including the Levites, are to bring their contributions of grain, new wine and olive oil to the storerooms, where the articles for the sanctuary and for the ministering priests, the gatekeepers and the musicians are also kept.
“We will not neglect the house of our God.”

Tithe was state as food in the Malachi verse you love to quote

Malachi 3:10 (NIV)
10 Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,” says the LORD Almighty, “and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it.

So mr. joagabje, where is it written that tithe is a major source of money into the house of God?

That is not to say there was no monetary contribution for the temple maintenance; it came in the form of tax. Jews aged 20years and above are required to make annual contribution to the maintenance of the temple, and the money was not even material.

Exodus 30:11-13 (KJV)
11 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
12 When thou takest the sum of the children of Israel after their number, then shall they give every man a ransom for his soul unto the LORD, when thou numberest them; that there be no plague among them, when thou numberest them.
13 This they shall give, every one that passeth among them that are numbered, half a shekel after the shekel of the sanctuary: (a shekel is twenty gerahs an half shekel shall be the offering of the LORD.

Nehemiah 10:32 (KJV)
32 Also we made ordinances for us, to charge ourselves yearly with the third part of a shekel for the service of the house of our God;

@Joagabe, i want to believe you are now better informed, so going forward i don't expect to see you posting false info around here

You don't need this long epistle to pass a simple message. My point was that tithes and offerings were sources of welfare for the priests. So for Paul to liken it to the preaching of the gospel. So the question is not about money or material. They gave both for tithes and offerings. So Wasn't wrong

obadiah777: BUT YOU DO ERR OGA JO.
LEVITICUS 19 VS 28 You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks upon you: I am the LORD

No you Err sir. God is not against tattoo . He is against doing it ritualistic for the "DEAD"

Leviticus 19:28
Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead , nor print any marks upon you:I am the Lord.

aurenflani: These are Paul's words. Jesus said keep the commandments.

Can you quote the passage where he said so

Goshen360: That's to show how they corrupt the word of God. Every where tithe was commanded, the word 'tithe' ALWAYS occur - both in the Old and New Testament. If the Apostle is talking specifically on tithe, it's no big deal for Apostle to mention it. These group of Ola, Bidam, Image123 and Joagbaje are all trying hard to key the word 'tithe' into those verses being guilty of adding to God's word.

The major source of money into the house of God was in tithes and offerings. And paul gave the comparison .

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

He said The Lord ordained it to be so. You can ask The Lord in heaven when he ordained this. It's contradictory when someone says he only believes in offerings but not tithing when the two are based on same principles before the law came .

OLAADEGBU: It is high time you began to seek the face of the Lord for the answers to your question and learn from the scripture what became of Judas Iscariot and his fake sympathy to the poor just as you have been campaigning since all these years.

Great description. .

A sinner ,has no sin to confess .

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: . ..

So confession of sins is not pre requisite to salvation. Salvation is by faith in the saving power of the name of Jesus. The basic steps to salvation is simple. Firstly for the man to realize that he inherited sin through Adam transgression. And only through faith in christ can he be saved . And the next step after that is to confess the lordship of Jesus over his life.

Romans 10:10
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Ukochi,
Great thread , God bless

Heatblast: Err... Passing by
Has anyone ever encounted a black angel??.. How come this so called angels are always somehow similar to the white man(blonde in this case). Could they be racist >:
Oh... Lemmi guess, a black angel is considered as a demon

White angels appear l white people, black angels appears to black people . Sometimes it may be so sometimes not. The angels takes the appearance that appeals to the mind of those who they are dealing with.

I remember my first handshake with her. And those precious words she spoke. This is a virtuous woman indeed.

Great couple . Nairaland has tried to divorce them since .
Happy birthday thanks for blessing the world

Tattooing is a very painful thing to undergo. It's crazy. Well so long as he doesn't attach any spiritual significance to it. It's his body and he has right to decorate it any way he choses .

dare2think: You are very despicable for writing the above. You and your ilk are the very people destroying religion and leading frustrated people to be more disenchanted with their faith.

When did Christianity become a wealth showcasing contest? were you so deprived in your formative years that materialism rules supreme in your little world?

Money, money, money. Is all your ilk are concerned about, Yet little enlightenment to show for it.

There are people with little money but command far greater respect and honour than all your wealthy charlatans put together.

I didn't boast of wealth . You and your elder brother did. I only rebuked your chidishness of empty boasting. Money is secindaty to me. Its only a tool to touch lives.
Its not what we have that counts but whst we give out.

Luk 12:15
.. . .a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.
(KJV)

ooman: MULTIMEDIA instruments works perfectly when automated except there is temper with it.

Nature never works perfectly, it is full of mistakes that causes diseases and death.

Human make mistakes . Not God

Whats the proof

ooman: See why I said you are a biblical spciopath, u use the holy word to course people, the bible is not so holy again then.

Only the wicked say "there is a god "

Im not cursing you. I only quoted what the binke says about atheism. Atheism is a result of lack of gratitude towards the God who created you.

Every atheist knows there is a God.

Rom 1:19-22
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
(KJV)

ooman: all am telling you is that you need to forget all dogma and become an atheist

Theres God snd you know it. You're only denying his existence so why should I become a fool.

[b]Psa
1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.

nedu2000: who then has authority/access to this 'church money'?

There is admin structure in a church . Just as in any institution. Take the bank for example. Does thebbank manager own the bank money? The only money that belong to a pastor are the ones that is given to him. Tv money goes to tv. Radio money goes to radio. From what a pastor recieve as gift or honorarium, he himself has to give for tv give for radio , give tithes and offering like a Christian that he is