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musKeeto: And I'm guessing you got this info from the Bible?

Yes , from every passage in the bible where you where you find pressing in the night

dominion247: I have experienced this for uncountable number of times. each time, i try to move to no avail, i also try to say jesus! but i end up sayin je je je je and unable to complete it. since last year april, i neva experienced it and then, it happened yesterday night immediately i fell asleep. i even felt a presence behind me and the person held my hand. it got me thinking today. Could this be something to worry about?

It's a demonic oppression or witchcraft . Don't take it lightly. When you wake from such sleep rebuke it or get to a minister who is anointed for such to minister to you

Bobbysworld28: @joagbaje
Do u think it's possible for someone 2 b full of d Holy Spirit & hv demons at d same time?

Yes it's possible . But firstly what do you mean by being full of the holyghost

I do not deny dt some christians can allow themselves to be possessed but such ppl r babies & probably r nt aware of their rights in christ.

A christian can't be possessed by demon. POSESSION takes place in the spirit . The spirit of a christian is I dwelt by God. A demon can only dwell in the body. A christian can be oppressed by a demon, or obsessed by a demon. But a christian can't be possessed.

D Bible says as He is so r we in this world. This means we r like God himself here on earth. Evn d devil couldn't possess u if dis revelation gets into ur spirit.

Why are christiens sick? To be Demonised could be external or internal. Many sickneses are demonic. You need to cast the demon out for healing to take place

A proper teaching on d life of christ in u lifts u above base things like deliverance

Are you saying a Christian can't fall sick or be attacked by the enemy? Because of th life christ?

Bobbysworld28: @Joagbaje I didn't c him talking abt terminology. D very concept of deliverance for the christian is a misnomer. D Holy spirit dt has been deposited in our spirit is d one who made Jesus the Christ. Whn d deliverer is being delivered then their is no hope for the world. The christian CANNOT be demonized if he has received d precious spirit of God.
ANYONE teaching deliverance to/for christians is a baby & nt fit to lead God's ppl. I'm almost tempted to call such a fraud bt I knw dt ignorance is their main issue.

Im not talking about deliverance. But there's uch thing as casting out devils. Hope you get my point.

Bobbysworld28: @Joagbaje I didn't c him talking abt terminology. D very concept of deliverance for the christian is a misnomer. D Holy spirit dt has been deposited in our spirit is d one who made Jesus the Christ. Whn d deliverer is being delivered then their is no hope for the world. The christian CANNOT be demonized if he has received d precious spirit of God.
ANYONE teaching deliverance to/for christians is a baby & nt fit to lead God's ppl. I'm almost tempted to call such a fraud bt I knw dt ignorance is their main issue.

No one is talking about deliverance. But there's uch thing as casting out devils. Hope you get my point.

MostHigh: jOAGBAJE iF YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE 1000YR KINGDOM IS JUST SAY SO THEN WE CAN MOVE FOWARD

Pls tell us your understanding of the millennial reign. With scriptural reference , and lets move foreward.

MostHigh: 1. ''Jesus was born under the law. Certain things were customary and part of the life they lived . But he was not under obligation to the law . He rather came with a higher law.''

If this is true then how come he is teaching the multitudes pure LAW on the mount? joabgaje reason this critically o!

Are you saying he is constant reference to the LAW on the mount was only a guise

He wasnt teaching the law.he was teaching the principles of the kingdom. You will notice . Jesus always emphasize " the kingdom is like"

2. ''The law of the sabbath was not binding on him. He spoke for himself.''

JOAGBAJE what is the LAWLESS man LAWLESS about 2 thess 2?? pls educate us.

The passage talks about the anti christ .

Can you please educate us on what laws if any were binding on Yashua son of joseph?

Point of correction. Jesus was not son of Joseph

Joagbaje There is no law without sin and vice versa

Are you saying in the time of yashua or even now there is no sin in the world?

There is sin in the world from the fall of Adam until the millennium reign

Is it not from the same LAW you disregard that we are to get insrtuctions in rightousness and obtain reproof?

Righteousness come by faith not from the law

I have asked before now are you saying yashua is the LAWLESS man of 2 thess 2?

Youre theone saying so . The lawless man is going to be the antichrist.

Looks like you have forgotten the instructions of the most high and are following the doctines of MEN

What is the doctrine of men and what is the instruction of the most high

JOAGBAJE WHAT IS THE (CONSTITUTION) OF THE 1000YR KINGDOM OF CHRIST??

Jesus will reign over the earth for 1,000 yrs. with his saints . but What is the point of your question?
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Wonderfully, pls I need 30 mins to be back

Bobbysworld28: @joagbaje
Dt scripture u quoted, u r using it wrongly. Firstly, sowing of seeds does nt always mean giving of money. In d parable of seeds (Mark 4) Jesus shows dt d word of God is a seed. It is our primary seed in d New Testament. The folks who hv converted seed sowing to Money are operating in fallacy. Other seeds r ur behaviou & actions.
Now concerning ur scripture quoted. It simply means anyone performing any action (behaving, giving money or even working the word) without motivation by d spirit or even for eye service r being wasteful because it is nt approved to God. Even Jesus had to offer his sacrifice through the Eternal spirit for it to be acceptable to God. So stop misleading ppl with ur fallacious interpretation of d scripture

Avoid reading your personal religious mind into simple scripture pls. Can you read galation 6 again to know the context of paul. He was talking about giving to ministers as seed.not sowing of character as seed.

What are the facts that shows where such information came from ?

Can I really know your point. And what you are really driving at.

frosbel: The word church never meant a building. "Church" is wherever two or more are gathered and assembled in His name I believe. Our bodies are now the temple, so we do not need one built with hands - Youtube user

Nobody says the church is a building . The church is where the saints meet together. The church is not the gathering of 2 or 3. Family gathering doesn't constitute a church.

MostHigh: We give thanks for all participation.

Joagbaje I can see that you have finally come to a halt, it was good reasoning with you.

Peace love and joy!!!

I'm waiting for your response

frosbel: "I did not shrink from declaring to you anything that was profitable, and teaching you publicly and from house to house" Acts 20:20

"Aquila and Prisca greet you heartily in the Lord, with the church that is in their house ." 1 Cor. 16:19

15 Please give my greetings to our Christian brothers and sisters* at Laodicea, and to Nympha and those who meet in her house .- Colossians 4:15

and to our sister Apphia and to Archippus, a fellow soldier of the cross. I am also writing to the church that meets in your house - Philemon 2

40 Paul and Silas then returned to the home of Lydia, where they met with the believers and encouraged them once more before leaving town - Acts 16:40

5 Please give my greetings to the church that meets in their home. Greet my dear friend Epenetus. He was the very first person to become a Christian in the province of Asia - Romans 16:5

Appears Paul disagrees with you Ola

Paul is not in disagreement at all. Paul had pastors under him who run churches in private homes and public places. Thatt is a local assembly . Aquila and Priscilla were example of such . They were pastors over the church which meets in their house . That doesn't mean they were family members . It's however is against your idea of "where 2 or 3 gather" there's pastoral ministry and leadership structure in the church . 2 or 3 can fellowship but its not a substitute for the church organization. Christian who work in an office can meet at lunch hour . That's fellowship but not a church substitute.

There is leadership in the church and offices which a man can not assume except he is called into it. The pastoral office is an anointed office.

Hebrews 13:17
Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves:for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief:for that is unprofitable for you.

striktlymi: What good is there? What’s the use?
What good is there? What’s the point?.If I can give a million bucks as tithe but can’t afford to give a sachet of pure water to the poor guy on the streets who probably might die of dehydration the very next day?
Thank you!

You should not criticize one good deed to at the expense of the other . We must do all. Helping others is fundamental part of Christianity . It should not be done at the expense of what we give to God or what we give to parents etc.

try69: C'mon Oga, don't do this to yourself. I will not come to a public forum and pass judgement on a church I will not mention. I was shocked by the sermon especially when she said giving to your siblings who would only tell you thank you does not carry heavenly blessings .

Giving to members of the family is not sowing . It's family responsibility . If I pay my child's school fees . Is that a seed? But giving to parents is honor and responsibility but it is not a seed .

[b]1 Timothy 5:8
But anyone who won't care for his own relatives when they need help, especially those living in his own family, has no right to say he is a Christian. Such a person is worse than the heathen.

So it's responsibility and not a seed . But paul was talking about seed sowing . In Galatians 6.

We should understand the pastor perspective from the passage

Galatians 6:6-8
Let him that is taught in the word communicate unto him that teacheth in all good things.
Be not deceived; God is not mocked:for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Goshen360: @ Joagbaje, Is this not the same thing I've been teaching and you sometimes disagree with me? The word of God is forever settled and we can't amend the truth. Well, pastor Chris is 100% right!

It's the terminology "Deliverance" that he is against. He is not denying the fact that a christian can be demonized . I won't call it deliverance ,I will call it " casting out devil"

frosbel: "I did not shrink from declaring to you anything that was profitable, and teaching you publicly and from house to house" Acts 20:20

"Aquila and Prisca greet you heartily in the Lord, with the church that is in their house ." 1 Cor. 16:19

15 Please give my greetings to our Christian brothers and sisters* at Laodicea, and to Nympha and those who meet in her house .- Colossians 4:15

and to our sister Apphia and to Archippus, a fellow soldier of the cross. I am also writing to the church that meets in your house - Philemon 2

40 Paul and Silas then returned to the home of Lydia, where they met with the believers and encouraged them once more before leaving town - Acts 16:40

5 Please give my greetings to the church that meets in their home. Greet my dear friend Epenetus. He was the very first person to become a Christian in the province of Asia - Romans 16:5

Appears Paul disagrees with you Ola

I don't see contradictions. People had church services in their houses as venues . Acuila and Priscilla were both pastors who had a church in their house . That's a local assembly. People had services in different places. In the church globally and locally there is structure of spiritual leadership . The pastoral office feed ,corrects and disciplines. But your idea of 2 or 3 friends coming together defeat s the church structure of discipline and leadership and submission to authority.

It's not a bad news . He will commit more crime there legally by evangelizing the prisoners

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MostHigh: Joagbaje pls

1. Can I have your commentry on math 5:17 it is way overdue

2. Also you have not answerd my VERY DIRECT question. WHAT IS THE SYSTEM OF GOVERNANCE OF THE 1000YR KINGDOM OF CHRIS

Peace love and joy!!!

Matthew 5:17
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets:I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.


His purpose was not the eliminating the law . But rather he is the fulfillment of what the law foreshadow . That means when the real comes the shadow automatically goes. You may enjoy the aroma of a food but when the food finally comes ,you don't need the aroma again. The food didnt come to kill the aroma . The food just takes its rightful place . And by that the aroma is layer aside.
Ephesians 2:15
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace

Rom 10:3
. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness

MostHigh: Joagbaje you say christ broke the law, but I say he was blameless and obeyed the law to the very end this is expressly confirmed by scripture (all of yashua's actions)

Not only are you ignoring his obviouse actions you are also PRESUMING to know why he is acting the way he is (a dangerouse stance)

The law of the sabbath was not binding on him. He spoke for himself.

The people followed him everywhere, remember the sermon on the mount? so if he wanted he could have set up his own synagouge to enable him evangelise more quickly and broadly. abi how you see am?. I dont think so, as we can see by his actions that he chose to obey the set down establishement

Jesus was born under the law. Certain things were customary and part of the life they lived . But he was not under obligation to the law . He rather came with a higher law.

Joagbaje so

1. If a man Harvests food to eat from his garden on the sabbath he has sinned?

2. A doctor heals a sick person on the sabbath he has sinned?

YES

3.being lord of the sabbath means to disregards the sabbath?

Read it in other translations .

Matthew 12:8
For I, the Messiah, am master even of the Sabbath. "

Matthew 12:8
The Son of Man is no lackey to the Sabbath; he's in charge. "
Before you answer remember these were the interpretations the pharasees used in thier korban judgments

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gprincess1: lolzzzz....I fink doz are 1 of d churches wif d secret aim of MAKING PROFIT.....Personally i dnt fink givin 2 ur parents is sowin 2 d flesh coz ur parents nid 2 "eat d fruit of deir labour" I also fink its very gud 2 gv 2 d needy(motherless kids nd orphans) dan 2 gv 2 pastors who are so glaring 2 be business motived lolzzzz....I fink doz are 1 of d churches wif d secret aim of MAKING PROFIT.....Personally i dnt fink givin 2 ur parents is sowin 2 d flesh coz ur parents nid 2 "eat d fruit of deir labour" I also fink its very gud 2 gv 2 d needy(motherless kids nd orphans) dan 2 gv 2 pastors who are so glaring 2 be business motived

I think I understand his point of view. There is difference between responsibility and sowing of seed . Jesus teaches that we help those who can't pay back. Giving to parents or siblings is family obligation and responsibility . That's not sowing of seed . If your idea of sowing of seed is around family members then you're sowing to the flesh or to your flesh. Bit when your giving goes beyond you to others , that's sowing to the spirit .


Galatians 6:8-10
For he who sows to his own flesh (lower nature, sensuality) will from the flesh reap decay and ruin and destruction, but he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.
And let us not lose heart and grow weary and faint in acting nobly and doing right, for in due time and at the appointed season we shall reap, if we do not loosen and relax our courage and faint.
So then, as occasion and opportunity open up to us, let us do good [ morally] to all people [not only being useful or profitable to them, but also doing what is for their spiritual good and advantage]. Be mindful to be a blessing, especially to those of the household of faith [those who belong to God’s family with you, the believers].

It's a job like any other job .nothing is wrong with it except your heart doesn't agree with it.

drnoel: it is till he kills people while driving that u will know the driver is fulfiling nothing

Killing people? Because he preached. What about those who discus and argue foot ball or politics . It's normal abi? It's rather the preaching that's a disturbance and dangerous

Zamizoni: BROS JUST LISTEN TO YOURSELF.....
YOU ARE NOT IN SUPPORT DIRECTLY TO PAY HIM LIKE YOU SAID AND YOU ARE INDIRECTLY GIVING ADVICE ON HOW TO PAY A TOKEN.

I'm talking about appreciation. Not pay. The question really is . Is the man really needed? . If I invite Reinhard bonke to my house for prayer ,It's simple ommonse for me .to pay his bill and appreciate him with extra .

But the issue of demand upfront is unscriptural by default. But I can't judge from one mans report . Until I hear the other side

Zamizoni: YOU HAVE JUST USED THE BIBLE VERSES TO AUTHENTICATE THE PASTORS DEMAND. WELL THE TRUTH IS WILL GOD ANSWER THE PASTORS PRAYER TO DELIVER THIS MANS HOUSE IF HE COLLECTS THIS FEE??

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I said earlier I don't agree to the demand . On the MOG part . It's between him and God. I only said the man inviting him should plan for his welfare and sow seed .of what he can afford . And nothing is wrong with that. If its 10,000 o or 20,000 or 5,000 .

[quote author=Goshen360]First, I believe you understand too well this is a public forum and there's a way or there should be a way we address issues like this. I won't have questioned you if your comment had stopped at this level below,

But the moment you begin to distort your words with the things I edited from the above quote; you're presenting the Gospel in the way Christ never did.

Christ teaching? If you talk like this i wonder How much of christ teaching you know then. Jesus told his desciple not to carry money,that the people they minister to should take care of them.

Matthew 10:9-14
Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves:for the workman is worthy of his meat. And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence. And when ye come into an house, salute it. And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it:but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you. And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

Matthew 10:41
He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.

My post was simple . The summary is. "Leave it or take it." Must you invite the man? Then if you must , bear the cost.

What kind of EXTRA are you talking about to a family that cannot even afford #100,000 in the first place? If you're getting this training of every man of God MUST be given something IN APPRECIATION to spiritual gifts in ministry, I think (from scriptures) you're spreading a Gospel MOTIVATED

I didn't say they should add extra to the 100,000 rather if they can't afford it, they should at least bear cost of transportation with extra as a seed or appreciation. He said transport Is 1,000 so calculate how much for each person etc.

It's a spiritual thing to give to ministers support . It's common sense. Even ministers who pass by are to be taken care of, not to talk about the one you personally invite to come. Anything contrary to this is simply poverty mentality. You can afford medical bill but send away a minister who came to your house away empty. It's greed and poverty mind set dear. It's not what the bible teaches .

Even folks under the Old Testament knew better .

1 Samuel 9:6-8
And he said unto him, Behold now, there is in this city a man of God, and he is an honourable man; all that he saith cometh surely to pass:now let us go thither; peradventure he can shew us our way that we should go. Then said Saul to his servant, But, behold, if we go, what shall we bring the man? for the bread is spent in our vessels, and there is not a present to bring to the man of God:what have we? And the servant answered Saul again, and said, Behold, I have here at hand the fourth part of a shekel of silver:that will I give to the man of God, to tell us our way.

Matthew 10:9-10
"Don't take any money with you; don't even carry a duffle bag with extra clothes and shoes, or even a walking stick; for those you help should feed and care for you.

As I said earlier . I don't agree with the man demanding money. But who knows if he had been left stranded before by people who reason like "this". And he tried to secure himself. I don't agree to it . But it's a common sense to give to those who minister to you. The anointing you don't honor may not honor you. It's common sense.

Just simply tell the man I cant foot the bill for all of you . Come alone sir ,I will take care of you . Finish , o pari.

John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her…go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God

Living a victorious and successful life in Christ depends on your understanding of the relationship we have with the Lord today in the New Testament. We’re much more than "believers," followers, servants, friends, or ambassadors of Christ; the big thing about our relationship with the Lord is our oneness with Him! We’re members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones (Ephesians 5:30); it’s an inseparable oneness.

Jesus described this awesome oneness and new level of relationship when He said, "I am the vine, ye are the branches…" (John 15:5). This means we have the same life with Jesus, since life comes through the vine into the branches. No wonder the Word says, "know ye not that your bodies are members of Christ?..." 1 Corinthians 6:15
. . and "ye are the body of Christ and members in particular..." (1 Corinthians 12:27).

The death, burial, and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ paved way for a new relationship with the Father. Today, anyone who receives salvation is automatically awakened to the fatherhood of God, having in him the life and nature of God. Awesome reality!

Being the servant or friend of God is wonderful, but if you’re born again, you’re more than a servant and more than a friend. You’re the very offspring of Divinity; an heir of the Sovereign, and a joint heir with Christ (Romans 8:17). Through the Spirit, you’ve been baptized into the body of Christ:

"For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body…" (1 Corinthians 12:13);

it’s an inseparable union. You’ve been brought into a relationship of peace, harmony, safety and security with the Father. You’ve come home to Him; you’re now at rest in Him. You now know and relate with God as your Father.

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If you think my counsel, is wrong lets here yours .

The driver should be commended by you all for taking daring steps to preach in a very odd way. I like his gut . I may not agree with the content of his message . He should preach Jesus and not condemnation. The question you should rather ask yourself is . "When will I fulfill the great commission"?. The driver is fulfilling his own commission the way he think best,

Philippians 1:18
. . .notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.

frosbel: ^^

Trust a cult member to defend his cult.

The video in no way discourages fellowshipping in larger congregations, it simply defines exactly what church means and reinforces the truth that Christians do not have to meet in large groups.

Summary : We can meet in 2s or 3s or in smaller groups, in the home, work place or even market square

"For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them." - Matthew 18:20

The church has structure. Spiritually and in leadership. Two or three people gathering does not constitute a local assembly. Family prayer is still christian fellowship, colleague meeting at lunch hour in the office is still christian fellowship but it doesn't constitute a local church.