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There is a reason why I quoted your first line. Any serious entrepreneur (regardless of where they come from) who is considering embarking on a said biz venture knows well to do their due diligence and get as much knowledge as possible before deciding on whether to dive in or not. It's not in your position to set standards on who should go first.

TheGoodJoe:
No one said it is turn by turn or they can not take the lead. The fact is that you are turning your eyes from the motivational aspect.

These guys can not be motivated to do something they do not know about. They need the familiarity. If they want to, by all means, they are welcomed.

No one has said they should not come.

I am just saying those who know what is on ground, been part of the system and have an idea of the prospects should lead the way. Touch shining a light for the others to find their way in.

Nothing antagonistic about it.

Go ask many successful businessmen today they will tell you stories of their many losses. Investment should be open to all who can. The prudent ones with the thickest skin will make heads way anyway, many will be unsuccessful You want to regulate who should invest based on how successful you think they will be or whether they are homegrown or not.. una matter tire me. we have a long way to go.

TheGoodJoe:
There is what is called risk management and solutions around it. Heck, we have private folks running clubs in Nigeria and to an extent doing well.

To even go back a bit, I remember Bright Stars Football Club, a club that focused a lot on young players. It was like an academy but got chances to play some big clubs.

I remember their under 17 team ripping the then U17 National team, 4-0 at Calabar and raised some quality players like Akpan Brassey and Kelechi Osunwa.

If our local players have the zeal, they will find a way. Private investments are not much sabotaged as compared to those with public attachments.

We need local players looking into the possibility of using seeing the local scene as an investment opportunity.

Oruma lost two billion naira in a ghost oil deal. Imagine if he invested some into setting up a footie club, it would have gone a long way to benefit him.

So if they want to come tomorrow, you say wait first let our homegrown do it first? I don't get the logic. It's not a question of who can do it better now, or who understands the situation better. It is the turn by turn method you are trying to employ.

TheGoodJoe:
You want people that do not know their way around a place to set the pace?

Like you want Adarabioyo, Billing to come to Nigeria and start investing in Football?

The homegrowns have a bigger chance of doing this due to their affinity. For instance, Finidi George who is a Sharks Boy, a fan of Sharks when he was young, grew up to play for the club understands why we must correct the idea of dismantling such a footballing household name.

Finidi could invest in reviving the club and boosting it. It is only after that you can garner the interest of the foreigners.

@bolded. in other words, 'homegrown' should set the pace first?

TheGoodJoe:
A success in such a scheme can also open the way for the foreign borns who want to contribute one way or the other.

I always believed football has the power to transform Nigeria. Glad Balotelli is looking at it as an African team.

From education, early orientation, employment and economic growth. A fast rising local football can achieve this.

I didn't take offense oh. I just made an observation. I know 'we' will open our arms wide all over again if the whites planned to 'invest' in Nigeria

safarigirl:
I was not arguing anyone's Africanness, I was making jokes, first of all. I apologise if the humor was lost on you, taking offense seems to be a new thing here.


You advised me to stop explaining, so, I won't explain. Take it as you wish.

Interesting. So we are now arguing about the 'Africanness' of who invests in Africa. Okay let our 'homegrown' do it na. The discrimination is real.

safarigirl:
lol. Who should invest? The ones that will tell you:

"I have an African dad, some of my relatives are African, but I feel more European. I don't really know much of Africa outside what I see on the internet, Europe is my home. I appreciate the offer though"

My guy, banish that idea.

I have no time for round and round argument. It depends on what you value. I value World Cup performance above anything else.

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And wait let Rorh win the AFCON first at least.

5inchdick:
And then I decide to define it by points gathered and lost in the FIFA rankings.

Follow the discussion. I have already asked the same question.

do4luv14:
The question is that, can they take a boldstep to call up, these same players, without any string attachedd?

Well If i define better result in terms of the WC and AFCON performances will what you said be a fact as you claim?

5inchdick:
He could also have performed poorly too. Fact is non gave us a better result.

Some Nigerian coaches will give us a better result with this same crop of players going by what they achieved with poor call ups. Stephen keshi for example.

5inchdick:
Which better result? Which Nigerian coach do you know who has given us a "better result"? Have you suddenly forgotten the era of "no minnows in football"? You give Nigerians coaches more credits than is deserved and you term an opposing view "ass-licking whites".

Yes, they are a product of the system/environment. It is indeed a Nigerian problem.

benji93:
This is a good point. But note that some of the bad selections our local coaches have made in the past(probably still on) have been in cahoot with NFF officials. In fact, it could have been a pre-requisite for keeping your job, after all, you are a local coach. We can ruin you. They may have done this with foreign coaches as well. These coaches cannot talk about these if they had been required to sign a non-disclosure prior to getting the job. The NFF usually chooses a local coach temporarily after they have messed up, to save face. Do they even have programs to bolster the know-how of individuals aspiring to become coaches, especially those that have attained some success at the youth level? At this point given the derelict state of our institutions, going elsewhere to get that rigorous, more technical training is just fine. I am sure if they want this for our locals through partnerships with successful footballing associations and probably clubs, they could get this done. No plan, nothing. We could continue depending on the expertise of foreign coaches(the better ones of course) for a while, as we try to get those showing promise some world-class training. It's quite painful. I sometimes want ot avoid deriding our local coaches. For all their faults, it's hard not to think, they may just not be armed enough to do better, courtesy of the system that produces them. A chameleon begets a chameleon.

well said!

AndSunGorilla:
Baba Akogun welcome back, I have actually missed you on this thread. Ever calm, full of knowledge, wisdom and yet so humble and modest. Welcome back again.

I forgot to add that I am impressed with Rorh's player selection/call ups.

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Some Nigerian coaches will give us better results with this same crop. But will they make a good selection?
cc: Curtisaxel7

benji93:
As much as this is a decent result, which probably means he deserves a chance to continue, at least over one yeye Redknapp. , unless they find someone else technically better. I an not quite the Rohr fan, and while his flaws are obvious, the man has refused to notice them and readjust accordingly. If he cannot back that winning rate with an Afcon trophy, and subsequently get us to the knockout stage of the World cup in 2022, especially now that some young talented Nigerians are coming in, he would have underachieved. We have had enough 2nd and third place positions in the past by the same local coaches we labeled mediocre, so I don't know why it's impractical to label him as such. It's quite painful that very few or no Nigerian coach is technically sound enough to get us there. I hope some of these guys will go out there, if they haven's already, to get the training that is required(provided coaching is their forte). As someone else suggested, perhaps the growth of African coaches and their breakout into competitive positions have been stifled by the powers that be.

it's natural to find people forming cliques, sometimes for immediate family sef.

komekn:
very funny and what are you a VIRUS

People have opinions and perceptions there are no groupings here just individual opinions unless you are trying to create a supporters club for your preferred contributor, that would be very infantile thinking .

In his playing days, they put not one man on him, not two, not three... because they knew what he was capable of regardless of what he did eventually. When players over the world give you that kind of respect it says a lot. this is why I respect this guy despite he didn't achieve a lot in the game. Even the greats recognize his talents.

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"Too good they named him twice"

BascoVanVeli:
When Okocha took over Joseph Yobo's testimonial

#OnThisDay four years ago, @IAmOkocha was so good during the testimonial match for Joseph Yobo that Samuel Eto'o asked for him to be substituted 😂🇳🇬

Here he is putting on a show back in 2016 👏 pic.twitter.com/Q4vml7eiCI

— SuperSport 🏆 (@SuperSportTV) May 27, 2020

so you mean 10 years from now those are the records we are going to be talking about?

If Rohr did his homework well we would have beaten Argentina. He didn't.

Curtisaxel7:
Lol. He beat Algeria and the Afcon defending champs Cameroun in WC qualification, don't you think that's something worth lauding?

And at the WC, remember we were only less than 8 minutes away from qualifying from a group that had CROATIA (eventual finalists) as well as the Messi-led Argentina. It definitely took more than man management and "getting players to switch" to achieve this.

Very true.. I got fooled until after the first game at the WC.

But I disagree that he built the team from scratch. I won't give him any credits besides his man management and getting some good players to switch.

Curtisaxel7:
Chai. Gernot Rohr really deal with us that year with his plethora of excuses and "mind games". Before every game Baba must first hype our opponents and warn us to reduce our expectations . At a point we started to believe that the "my team is young" talk na just a ploy to get our opponents off guard, we no know say Baba really mean am.

I remember after our disastrous friendly match with England when people believed Rohr was "playing mind games" and "hiding his real WC tactics". .... well we went to the WC and the rest they say is history.

The truth is Rohr inherited a team in shambles and had to build a team virtually from scratch with young inexperienced (some say average ) players. I honestly believe Rohr has over performed with the caliber of players available for him. Sometimes out of patriotic sentiment we tend to overrate our players, but if we take a hard unbiased look at the team Rohr has had at his disposal and the results he has achieved with them, we would respect the tactical genius of the diminutive German wizard.

Gernot Rohr's football may not be pretty, but he sure gets his results. The NFF has made the perfect choice, we can only go up from here.

And what if he bows out again in the first round of the WC? that would be lower than Keshi and Westerhof's achievement after spending over 6 years? that bar low abeg

ChrisKels:
E no low oo, my conditions to keep his are two.

1 - AFCON gold

2 - Convincingly qualifying for the WC

He must meet up with those two, not one out of the two

oh yes. And that's his choice as well.

edi287:
Rohr himself might want a change of scenery especially if he does well.

He has CONVINCINGLY qualified us once for the WC. So nothing new there after spending an additional 2 years or so. Your bar low well well. 6 years to win AFCON only?

ChrisKels:
Failure to deliver a gold at the AFCON, and convincingly qualifying for the world cup, should warrant a boot, he's been here for too long

else I go wonder which kind jazz the whiteman dey use on Nigerians. lol

elyte89:
Definitely.. No more,my team is young and inexperience, dt excuse no b am again

I wonder what Yobo is capable of learning under Rohr? I think 6 years is enough for Rohr to prove himself beyond doubt. By then he would have quality players that have also played together for quite a while. If he does well, I don't mind him staying. I'm not even raising the bar too high. Just do better than any coach has done, because he has been given the most support. Give us at LEAST a QF appearance.

edi287:
You already know say Odegbami fit get stroke if he stays beyond 2022
Besides we all know that's what Yobo is there for.

Gernot Rohr's managerial career ranked by PPM. He is getting there.

--transfermarkt

I got it after I quoted u

safarigirl:
I know, my post was also jocular.

haha. u dey prophesy doom abi u dey judge by NFF antics?

edi287:
I think he'll leave after the world cup.

no wahala. apologies accepted.

safarigirl:
I apologize for the diss on diaspora Nigerians

I went back to check the post and also noticed the generalization, that's why on my last post to komekn, I withdrew the generalization, because I realized it was in bad taste.

Till today, when I think back on that post, I don't feel good about it. I am an overthinker, overworrier and over-explainer, I don't know how to turn it off.

Anyway, I apologize to you and any other Diasporan for that post, it was not my intention to demonize everyone.

He should remain even if we don't win the Nations Cup, but if he no take us to QF at least for WC, bye byee o.
But come to think of it Rohr will already have spent more than 6 years at the job... the longest a coach has stayed at the job since Westerhof I believe.

edi287:
NFF agrees new deal with Rohr. Official.

wasn't it all a joke?

safarigirl:
So, NFF has captured Crouch too?

England could have never seen this switch coming. Rohr is doing such a great job, Super Eagles will be unstoppable.

you are welcome as soon as you make your first post. No need for the introduction but thanks for the humility.

hardytech:
good afternoon house, I have been following this thread since 2017, but I finally want to join the house officially today, really excited, big ups to senior members here keeping the thread active.

Safari too much explaining.. but you know me when I no agree with you we go always fight, just as I do with every moniker on this thread. I fit argue with you today, but dey for your side the next day, because I always focus on the issue at hand not the moniker as I don't know anybody here personally. I decided to ignore this one, because you dissed many of us in diaspora. I chose not to correct you because one day you will not only travel for a visit but after you spend years abroad your perspective will definitely change. trust me.. bookmark this post.

safarigirl:
I would like to thank all the threadmates that licked my asss yesterday, we all know how difficult it is to have asslickers in your life, I mean, you actually have to be known and respected in a circle, to get people within the circle to lick your ass. You can't just appear out of nowhere, or be a lukewarm member of the thread, and you can't just be an infamous rabblerouser.

So, once again, thanks to all of my asslickers, who defend my person on this thread. Seven long years together, no be beans. I appreciate you guys


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This is what I like to see.

elyte89:
TheGoodjoe ..hope dis man will SOAK UP KNOWLEDGE and b ready for Super eagles role in d nearest future