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oga this is exactly the reason why I don't think one way. The club you play or league you play only tells one thing. But it does not mean that you are better than those who didn't get that opportunity. Even at club level, it's still has to do with opportunity to some extent.

Martz101:
compare a john ogu and Aina

There is so many challenges for African footballers, Aina can't even get enyimba job.

my only regret is Ogu is 30 already.

when you look at Ogu you wonder how did bakayoko get to chelsea and ogu is in israel

Exactly !

His loan contract will be over later this month. Let’s see what lies ahead for him.

goldfish80:
He played very well on his debut against Tanzania. Rohr was in awe of his performance on the day. I think it was Rohr's first game in charge.
The kid is very good, forget about the bad contract he signed in Turkey. He had options to transfer to Athletico Madrid but bad advisers derailed that move.

Musa has been a regular in Bulgaria. He has even been fielded at LB as well. if Musa was given that chance Aina got it would have been history o. It seems we have forgotten too early Musa had made his debut for Nigeria before that Atletico match. How did he perform?
Rohr dropped him for a single reason — lack of game time at his club. Now he’s got many minutes under his belt. Leta see if he will make the cut in Istanbul next season.

goldfish80:
With Musa's natural ability, I imagine he would have improved just like Ebuehi did. I recall Ebuehi saying initially in his early days he wasnt good enough yet for international football.
Aina with all the resources invested in him by Nigeria yet, couldn't acquaint himself. Had Musa been given equal opportunities like Aina and Ebuehi, he would have been ready because the ability is undeniable.

That quote from Aina was after he played as a LB in one of Hull’s games. He played 12 matches as LB. That role isn’t entirely new to him.

Yes Ogu did pretty well as CB

Modified
I though he did well. Had to see if his stats was good. Not surprised.

forgiveness:
Etebo played mostly as a CMF in the U23 and he won the player of the tournament and he has gone to play that role in his club.

So, I was not surprised because that was not his first time doing it in La Liga and against England.

Besides, players are different. Not all can play different roles but they florish/florished in the only role they play/plaued throughout their lives and are the best in it especially as a RB or LB. e.g Roberto Carlos, Cafu, Marcelo, etcetera.

Do that make them unprofessional players?

If you think Ogu did very well in the CB position, EOD.

Players don't just say that. You play where you are needed in the team as a true professional. They understand they have to do their best whenever they are called to one of the roles they can play. Ogu did very well as CB in Super Eagles camp which is why I was not surprised when he played there on Saturday. Is he a better CB? it was hard to tell from the England match. Shows he showed up when called to play there. And he needed just one half, and in a big occasion (against England) for that matter to show he was also up to the task.

Besides one fine grounder pass in his debut, Aina hasn't done anything noteworthy in SE colors. Etebo isn't a CM, but he showed up when he was called to play there, even in a big stage against Barca. True professionals know this that's why they say what they say. They may have a preferred role, but they know that they have to show up when called to the other roles. So let's just call a spade a spade. Aina failed in this regard.

forgiveness:
No bi wetin Ogu talk before we see am land for CB?

So, because Ogu talk am mean say he is better a CB than CMF?

Players do that just to play. It doesn't mean they are good enough for another role.

I don't think even Aina would blame Rohr for not fielding him on the right. You people are just making noise out of nothing. Aina will live to fight another day. I wish him the best in his return to SE



Aina:

''It's the same really and I don't see too much of a difference," Aina told hullcitytigers.com.

"I feel comfortable on the left, as I do on the right, and I still look to take the opportunity to get forward when I can.

''It felt like I had a lot of space in that sense on Tuesday night and I enjoyed that."

forgiveness:
Musa Mohammed wey no fit make bench for Turkish league and ordinary Bulgarian league na em dey far more talented?

Somebody wey don dey win MOTM awards in his first full season, na em no get talent?

I can tell you Ebuehi is not better than Ehizibue but na wetin you see you wan see.

QPR?

BascoVanVeli:
Rangers are close to completing a season-long loan deal for Liverpool midfielder Ovie Ejaria. (Source: SkySports)

lol let's say it as it is.
And if the keeper was not made to at least pull a nice save. How many times did we just miss the post by whiskers or at least hit the side netting? There are different goal threatening situations. How many did we have besides the goal we scored? Let's focus on the 2nd half. We've already admitted we were woeful in the first.

elyte89:
Asyde mikel's straight shot and moses own during d 1st half period

D guy was on holiday throughout... Ever since I av been watching football,I av never witnessed a scenario whereby during d 1st 20mins,I wouldn't c d opponent KEEPERS JERSEY,it was DT bad in first half


This can only happen in PlayStation ,but he happen for Wembley yday.

lol let's say it as it is.
And if the keeper was not made to at least pull a nice save. How many times did we hit the side netting or at least just miss the post by whiskers?

elyte89:
Asyde mikel's straight shot and moses own during d 1st half period

D guy was on holiday throughout... Ever since I av been watching football,I av never witnessed a scenario whereby during d 1st 20mins,I wouldn't c d opponent KEEPERS JERSEY,it was DT bad in first half


This can only happen in PlayStation ,but he happen for Wembley yday.

Yes but we seldom threatened still. Did Pickford ever pull a nice save all match long?

Modified
We make it seem like we did to them what they did to us in the first half -- remove goals.. that's what I find appalling. The second half was for the most part even.

Icon4s:
Yes,we were not significantly better but we looked like the team that could get the next goal.

We were not significantly better. You say we were better. Okay then

TheSuperNerd:
Even the news article I posted which you quoted said similar thing. Many more media outlets who followed the game were objective enough to say it also in different terms.... that.. We WERE better than England in that second half. The English did well defending deeply.




And you know what..... yes, I agree... I think you did watch a different game.

Funnily they even had more possession in that second half. How many of our chances were really goal threats? Stats don’t tell you that but a balanced non-biased observation. Understandably I’m a fan. But I want them to even improve on what I saw in the 2nd half. I’m sure Rohr has taken note.

asha80:
hehehe this stats of a thing is important but does not tell a whole story.. same way I saw someone on Twitter saying now that sane's starts at club level this season is better than reus (which is true) and so sane is better qualified than reus to be in this German team

Kai we “bossed possession” and they “matched our dominance”

Maybe Na only me watch different match.

TheSuperNerd:
It is not just about stats. It is about game plays... it is about what we saw on TV or live at the stadium. This was an England team running rings all around us in the first half. We made a tactical switch at half time and began bossing possession and we bossed possession till the end of the game. We sprayed more passes and had more forays forward than the English. We were simply better. The English, even having the home advantage, only adjusted and matched our dominance by applying an approach to limit our dominance from translating into further goals after our first, and eventually, only goal went in. They simply applied a subtle form of damage limitation.
They were not having the upper hand; we were.

All they were doing was doing their damn best to restrict us. We dominated possession... we created more chances than them. We made more forays forward than them. We saw Mikel and Iwobi school these guys in midfield plays for most of the second half... Etebo completed most of his passes. The team was so organised and in control all half in that midfield. That is the game most of us here watched. They brought on Loftus cheek later on because they couldn't take it anymore. He did try to wrestle away control but we still had it in our grasps. The international media (most of them) affirms to this.. and you want me to sell the notion that we did not own the second half. Not happening. Like I said, it is surprising we are discussing this because by both stats and what we saw, Nigeria was clearly the side in control in that half. We were on the ascendancy, England was playing catch up and evasive restrictions. Simple.

Stats may tell you that a team had more chances or shots on target, doesn't mean all those opportunities necessarily posed a threat to the opposing team. I'm being subjective here. An opinion or two based our "superiority" on the number of goals scored in the second half. You have to look at every opinion and see how they arrived at their conclusions. But no point going on. I didn't see Super Eagles as significantly better besides the first 10 minutes or so. If you SAW otherwise, fine then.

TheSuperNerd:
Some agree with you but most agree with me. There is a difference. The stats from the second half also do not agree with you. But I will only treat it as your conservative opinion. It is clear we owned that half. From all observations, even most of the international media agrees that we dominated the game and possession and created even more chances than them in that half alone. We had more shots on target than England in that half alone sef. I really don't know what game you are referring to but I will not take this any further. Can't even believe we are discussing if we dominated the second half in terms of possession and most major parameters.

kai! For our mind, na only for Nigeria many things dey happen

safarigirl:
lol....when you think leaving out Aina is a travesty, only to hear Sane no even enter Germany's squad.

Both of them are young, they will have another World Cup to shine

yea.. there are other aspects of the stats that we did better.. but sentiments aside, watching that 2nd half, Nigeria was not significantly better. One moment of magic in the opening minutes and a pretty open game, with a better midfield.

Modified
It's not like England were not springing passes. The did what they always did, It's just that we stepped up in that department and matched/neutralized them.

elyte89:
Obviously we didn't own d second half now


After we scored d goal,10 mins later,d English team got their bearing,dey came back lively and played us better again,in first half d ball possession shld be 70/30 whyle d second half is 55/45

1000 LIKES!

safarigirl:
Players That Have Been Played Out Of Position In SE and STILL Gave A Good Account Of Themselves:

Alex Iwobi
John Ogu
Shehu Abdullahi
Mikel Obi

I love Aina just as much as anybody else, and honestly, I still feel bad that he's out of the team, but let us stop peddling tales of being played out of position....that means little to nothing. He was brought to unseat Echiejile, he couldn't do that. He had not one bright game and that was what necessitated Idowu's call up. It was Idowu that kicked out Aina.

Now, I would have preferred dropping a Joel Obi, because as far as I concerned, that one is useless to the team, but I'm not Rohr.

And for those saying other foreign born players will not want to play for Nigeria because of an 'Aina' treatment, they need to get their heads out their asses. We are taking Ekong, Balogun, Ebuehi, Idowu, Iwobi to World Cup.....Aina was the only FB who missed out, so, how that translates to a 'poor return' for FBs is beyond me.

There was no poor treatment of Aina, Aina simply failed to step up when he needed to. If you want to go to the World Cup so much, there is no reason why you can't acclimatize yourself to another position. It's not like they turned him into a striker from a defender, so all this talk about out of position blah blah blah is bollocks.

TheSuperNerd.. I've sen enough opinions on this. My opinion is based on my own observations. Some will also agree with me. I'm in no way trying to downplay our improvement in the second half. But I reiterate we did not own the second half. Maybe you want to be specific as to what we owned in that half. But on the whole, we were not significantly better than England in the second half.

TheSuperNerd:
The People’s MOTM, this 22 year-old Gunner is One to Get Fully Behind
(written on June 3rd)


https://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/58/photos/283000/Alex-Iwobi-769283.jpg


It is fair to say that Alex Iwobi has his critics among the Arsenal faithful. He was only six weeks old when England beat the mighty Oranje in 1996 (4-1) and that tells you how young he still is. Yet there really are already more than a handful of Gunners who want him sold! They have seen enough, they tell me. Everybody is entitled to have an opinion, of course, but come on: give the boy a chance!!


https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44343704


Yesterday, Alex was voted Player of the Match by the fans, and quite rightly so (see link above).

The Super Eagles were played off the pitch by the Three Lions in the first half, but Alex was the only one who dealt well with the impressive press that was applied by the home team. He constantly held on to the ball and made space for himself without it and with it. He then found a fellow player in enough space to pass the ball to regularly, and thus start an attack from beating the press. I was less impressed by Iwobi’s fellow midfielders who often lost the ball when the slightest bit of pressure was applied to them, which then left the defenders exposed time and again.

England scored twice and should have scored more goals as they outclassed Nigeria completely during the first half.
However, Gernot Rohr did a fab job in making tactical changes – three at the back and four substitutions – and getting his team re-focused for the second half, whilst England’s boys clearly felt they had done enough in the first half and/or were unable to respond adequately to Nigeria’s changes.
The Super Eagles scored within two minutes and then their wing-tales were up, the away crowd were behind them even more and the midfield was dominated by the visitors till the end of the game. It was Iwobi who set up the deadly attack with a fine ball to Ighalo from the centre of midfield; the former Watford striker hit the post with his precise diagonal strike and he was unlucky not to score; but the ball bounced back towards the ‘D-area’ and there was Alex to calmly steer it past defenders and keeper to score a fine, Ramseyesque goal.

Alex kept making himself available and linked up the midfield with attack constantly. At the end he tired and he may have picked up a small injury, but Rohr was not going to sub his best player – one of only five players who played the whole game.

With 1.4 key passes per game, 5 assists and three goals in
26 PL games last season, our 22 year young brightest attacking star from our youth ranks is one to get fully behind and believe in. And I cannot wait to see more of him at the Oranje-deprived WC in a couple of weeks time.


**By TotalArsenal.


Source: https://bergkampesque.com/2018/06/03/the-peoples-motm-this-22-year-old-gunner-is-one-to-get-fully-behind/




[color=#660000]For the most parts we owned that second half. Many agree with this. Let us not be conservative with the truth. We know we must improve but the truth remains that we indeed owned England in that second half. Enough of the overly conservative talk. We dominated the midfield in that second half for the most parts from beginning to end and the ref even ended the game when we were on the attack with seconds on the clock left before 94 mins. EOD. And Iwobi was definitely our star man at Wembley. Our no.1 top performer on the overall.[/color]

I don’t think so. I think fonts are chosen to match the theme of the kit design

Danielnino00:
@ Tbaba1234, Joebie, Thesupernerd Is there any FIFA rule regarding the type of font to be used for jersey numbering and naming at the world cup like its done at club level(teams use different font in naming their kits in d EPL, UCL and FA cup) ? ..I don't really like the one we used yesterday

Odubajo, Aina, Musa Muhammad, Ebuehi and maybe Abdulahi Nura. The RB competition would be fierce post World Cup. I wouldn’t be surprised if Aina doesn’t end up as first choice.

komekn:
How many minutes has Aina Played in total for the SE not how many games, that's issue.

No where enough to make any kind d of deductions about his ability.

After watching that game at Wembley again, I must admit we didn’t own the second half.
In fact it was pretty even, they prolly created more chances than us. We just did far better than we did in the first half.

Kai are these Jehovah’s Witnesses? Oh my bad it’s just a name of another religion.

Fake fan he is. Instead of him to stay loyal to the Black Stars. Qualifications for Qatar is only 2 years away.

LieDetector:
I must say I'm amazed at your prompt switch of nationality. Whatever happened to being a Ghanaian?

Hahaha. He is just saying the only person he is competing with is himself.

Icon79:
CLASSIC! Oh boy, do I love this forum or what


O pari o

All Joel Obi has going for him is a decent career in Italy. So far it hasn’t translated to anything for us.

ykalhaji:
They are not bad players. They have a contract with a professional club, so they can play at least. So do hundreds of other Nigerian players, but the truth is for the composition of our midfield and defence, Onazi's style of running around like a headless chicken and floating like a bee puts every other midfield player in an indecision place. That was good when he was younger and could recover quickly (The reason we loved him) but now we have an Ndidi and a co-ordinated defense, where positioning and space close out is their foundation (Oyinbo drilling since small pikin) not running around and 7 people defending in the box like we have been used to.
Onazi's runs confuses the players. He is an elder, the younger guys can't shout at him when he bleeps up, but you can see that when Onazi is out, that midfield and defence runs smoother. In other words Onazi did not improve his skills and has lost his recovery speed.

Joel... I have no freaking clue this guys advantage playing for us. Some here said he is the Mikel replacement all I see is an average player that is finding it hard to gel with the players.

Except Rohr wants to use them as practice teams for the main starter team, me I no see their usefulness.

Croatia’s defense has been solid. Good pressing game too.

Brazil is a beauty. True to the art

So far Croatia no be beans o

The ball actually touched his leg

Eleniyan15:
Maybe it was inexperience but it were to top goalkeeper like he would have use his leg i.e David de gea


Or what you think

It would be a blessing in disguise. Trust me.

TheGoodJoe:
So what have they been doing all these while? A lot of work, two weeks to the World Cup.

Dele Alli VS Iwobi

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