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Didn’t Forgiveness read that part when Rohr said they asked themselves what each player can bring to the team before the team was pruned further down?
The question was never who had the best stats. Rohr already had his mind made up on the core team. Any new member would have to complement them based on the qualities they have.

safarigirl:
if it was by club form alone 15 of our eventual 23 would not even make the list

Good one!

TheGoodJoe:
Kelechi Nwakali is an identified special talent and if the coaching crew decides to look in to support him, I doff my heart to them and they earn my respect. When Iwobi made his debut for the Super Eagles, do you think they were no players playing regularly in clubs that would have gotten the nod ahead of Iwobi. However, his blending with the team, securing his allegiance and development with the team was a Priority. He got the nod in a crucial tie.

Maybe you have not heard the saying that football is not mathematics.

We simply don’t know. But I’m not going to recommend a Kayode if my specific immediate assignment is to look for tall players who can give us options as regards scoring headers. And that’s just an example. On club form alone, Kelechi dont even deserve to be on the 50. But keep your mind open

forgiveness:
The question I keep asking myself is, why did he not perform in the Eredivise before he was sent back to the second division?

How do we know those who performed in the top league in Europe wouldn't have done better if given the chance?

There is no one standard that’s for sure. As a coach I would tell my scouts to look for players with certain qualities. After their recommendations I will also ask other questions e.g their stats etc. Stats should be one of the factors but not an absolute. A coach knows how he wants to play. His winning philosophy comes first, although some of us believe you just get the players with the best stats and form a playing system based on their qualities. I think it is a blend of the two approaches. And this is also true especially in national teams that have lots of players.

forgiveness:
Not based on merit again! I thought people claimed that Rohr choosed Simy because his recent stats was in the Seria A?

I am confused.

Probably scouts made recommendations as regards the 50. Don’t forget 50 was initially pruned down to 35.
younger players were also considered, especially those who seem really young. There is no secret about that since Rohr always had the future in view (remember Osimhen) On why Nwakali survived the cut from 50 to 35, I can’t tell. I too have questioned that.

As regards my question, I want to know what you think exactly. I don’t have the answers. When you say facts you can only present
facts and say, factual. The only fact here is Nwakali was in the 35. Maybe Chidiebere as well. Maybe Sadiq and Usman as well. Musa Muhammed must have been in the 50 for sure. Did Rohr and all his backroom staff also put together the 50 man list? Most likely so — understandably. Nepotism is in our
system, even in the church. Even in other countries. It doesn’t still make it right but we have to live with it in football as well just as we experience it in other spheres of Nigerian life.


Having said that, do u have the facts? What exactly are you saying Rohr and co are guilty of?

forgiveness:
I want to know how manage Nwakali made the 35 man list at the detriment of players that performed better than him this season?

I don't know if that your question is the answer. Is it?

No the price is for matching pairs

mank1234:
Is this price for all the kits in the image or for just one?

Now agents must be happy their players at least made the 35 man list that was never released. Will they ask for a refund?

Sir there is a problem, but you are making it bigger than it really is.

Let me not assume the above. I would like to know what you really think happened.

forgiveness:
This is no longer argument. This is broad day light fact.

Rohr and his coaching crew sneaked in players that under performed this season in the Nigerian 35 man list.

What a shame.

Ogu also has goals in him. Tidy tackler. He makes up for his slow pace with intelligent positioning.. supports the CBs pretty well. Agu is probably like the old Onazi. But we still have Onazi. Why is Joel Obi guaranteed a spot though?

tbaba1234:
Oma says Ogu or Agu...

Truth is not every player gets invited based on the same criteria. There is no standard process. Some player get the call based on club performance, others don’t. Either way they all still have to justify their call.
Let’s take Agbo for example who was never tested despite his consistency at the club level. What do you have to say about that? What would u have said it were Kayode?

forgiveness:
Not based on merit again! I thought people claimed that Rohr choosed Simy because his recent stats was in the Seria A?

I am confused.

Ah e don tey I take afternoon nap. Just woke up. Hmmmm I’m hoping for the best. That’s all I can say. They need to play good football o. This boys — the 23 — are not new to themselves at all. I want to see that “unity” on the pitch as well. We can achieve great things I believe. Rohr has no excuses at all. I want to see him remain as coach after Russia. He needs to help his case. Wings of African Pride... leggoooo

Mujtahida:
people dont know what competition is, what national pride can do to turn a herd of sheep into a pride of Lions. let them continue with their naysay. As for me my expectations are very robust. if they fail, i will accept it just as in 1998, 2002, 2010 and 2014. i only just ask that they play good manly football. i dont want to see wimps on the pitch

Na still the surprise matter we dey na lol

asha80:
personally I believe they will do much better that they are expected to do.. not much hype on this team unlike Gerard, lampard, Beckham days... also they have good strikers in vardy and Kane but winning the world cup?? no way... those u17 and u20 triumphs I have to admit was surprising

Trust me, I will watching their matches hoping they crash out early. But that’s how I was disappointed when they lifted both the I17 and U20 trophy

asha80:
they cant..they lack the x factor that teams need to win this tourney..the only team that seems not to have an x factor but goes ahead to win world cups is Germany but Germans have what most teams do not-mental strength..and that is not one of english virtues.

Kai what if England lift the cup?

asha80:
kane on a codeine diet

Simon is an important member of the team. If he were Agbo etc, there will be no need for a second scan sef lol.. He is one of Rohr’s pre-chosen.

krattoss:
dude won't mind playing with injuries if he has to

Sad

krattoss:
Moses Simon's otumokpo must be very strong

Pic from the villa:
Cc kog45

Sorry sir.. I’m babysitting

Kog45:
Joebie pls you guys should updates us more cos right now players are in presidential villa meeting President.Also yesterday they met with Senate President.

It should be fun here now regards our analysis and,25 players remain and two more to go which will be decided after England match.

How are they similar?

Martz101:
you really know what you are talking about, ajagun is very similar to iwobi

I never implied that. What is bad is that those who are also deserving should be giving a chance. I know stats is not everything, but players will ask questions why they are not still getting a call up despite their relatively better performances at the club level. Well hopefully after the World Cup things will change for the better.

Martz101:
how is a youngster being in a 35 man list a bad system or how is your assistant having a say in your selection bad system.

don't you watch football matches, don't you see great managers consulting with there assistant before making change or decisions

do you think Nigeria is paying those assistant to just sit beside him and watch

I haven’t judged the man but I’ve only questioned the process. People will ask questions if some notable names are missing in 23 man list. What makes you think these issues are not also present in other countries?

Saying Rohr game him an answer he wanted to hear is only an assumption.

Martz101:
do you see people asking who is in 35 man list jn Spain or brazil...is senseless

some countries already sent there 23 man list, who told you there coaching crew didn't have a 35 man list before 23.

people read things in news out of context, Rohr answered obviously to a journalist that wanted to know why nwakali was not in the 30 man list since he did well in the athletico match and Rohr gave him an answer which he want to hear.

what is 35 man list, you should judge this man by his 23 man list and so far his been fair, infact most of is can predict his team so where is the nepotism??

K. Nwakali's invitation was a blessing in disguise no doubt. I say that because his stats don't look relatively good. But like I already said in my afterthought, he may have made the cut because they saw some qualities in his play they were looking for. He was tested and he did pretty well.

safarigirl:
why are you bothered about who was on a 35-man list? A list we never got to see, but are now making deductions based on the wailings of a renowned rabblerouser.......

I couldn't be less interested who is on a list I never got to see. You know why? It is IRRELEVANT.

In future, they will call other players, many of whom may not have been part of the five we are making so much unnecessary noise for.

Rohr made a 35-man list, let us assume he had Nwakali there, having seen what he did against Atletico, would you then say he didn't deserve a place on the list? Do you know what Rohr may have seen that you did not see or what the back staff may have seen that you didn't see?

Thank God the Nwakali gave a good account of himself, this same Nwakali is who many on this thread crowned Mike's successor, I was even glad to see him on the list, let us know if he can truly do Mikel's work and he proved he can.


He was invited because we need a Mikel successor and he seemed the best option, irrespective of whatever you think he may or may not have done. Let us all not act like many people did not have Nwakali on their 35-man list on this same thread

You are focused only on the immediate result.. But i'm also looking at the process that brought us here. The process is very important. Good systems is good for the society. But it's not just our way. We want great results all the time, but we never pay attention to detail.

Martz101:
joebie is nwakali in the 25 list now, who is there that dont merit it, i need you to answer

Well on a second thought, Rohr said they had all discussed what the players could bring to the team while pruning down the list. We don't really know how the discussions went.. It's not like anyone imposed any player on him. Players may have made the list based on specific qualities, not just based on stats. At the end of the day let's have the best 23 players.. Hopefully more deserving players will be giving a chance after Russia 2018 regardless of who is the coach then.

Rohr consults with Salusi. Why won't Salusi consult with Rohr especially as regards the foreign players? The 50 man list have always been at their disposal. Or do u think Rohr was not interested in that "holiday game", with a view to future invitations?
I've not even accused him of being unfair.

Farzat:
I think we are reading too much meanings into Rhor's response to d press about Nwakali. This man is very diplomatic in responding to questions and u must be on d same page to understand some of his comments. Firstly Rhor did not invite d team B against A.madrid but Salusi did. All d players that are in Rhor's WC program has been invited at one point and some got dropped along d line including promising players like Chidi Nwakali, Victor Oshimen, Musa Mohamed, Emma Daniel etc. D newest inclusions to d team are d ones that performed extremely well towards d end of d season and Nwakali did not fall into that Category. So l believe that Rhor was trying to claim a vast knowledge of Nigerian players, but having untested and unproven player in his 35man list that should be submitted to Fifa for WC can not be a reality from a conservative coach like Rhor. This man has been fair in selecting our best legs. He has listening ear to recommendations but he knows exactly what he want in a player and does not need many games to identify a player with d quality he needs. Lets support this team

There is nothing wrong with him consulting with them.. But questions need to be asked when there are questionable events. Nigeria has not changed overnight, and I'm not expecting that to happen.. But we still have to say it as it is.

I already asked the question, on the back of what performance was K. Nwakali included in the 35 man list? He is a great player no doubt

Martz101:
what's the essence of having an assistant and others...one of the attribute of a good leader is giving audience to your subordinate but making the final say.

I asked again who is the player there by sentiment??

Rohr has not been taking decisions as regards the list independently. We heard from the horse’ mouth. This is not an accusation on Rohr.

Modified
I wish I could see the 50 man list lol..

Martz101:
what decision was sentimental, who was there that was not suppose to be there?? please answer.

And don't call Agbo and Agu because he has always like them from the start and every coach tends to like some players the fans don't fancy.

Anybody body truly following this team since Rohr took over should know that this team was legit 95% Rohr list.

Nigerians are never satisfied

Let’s leave Kayode out of it. The selection of the 30 was done collectively. Meaning the pruning down was done collectively. K. Nwakali remains a special talent no doubt. But my question is on the back of what performance did he make the 35 man list?

There is also a strong possibility that all 5 players invited for Atletico were part of the 35. Come to think of it. That team was regarded as our team B, with the “best” players in the NPFL. Wouldn’t it be reasonable to also invite the “best” 5 fringe players, those who barely missed out of the 30, to join them?

Mujtahida:
God bless you realpoacher. This is an answer, very factual rebuttal to forgiveness' claims. You did excellently well and I must say this is a benchmark response. Not that when a person has nothing to say he will just engage in ad hominem attacks.


What Rohr said gave forgiveness something to grasp(personally I don't even see any issues with Nwakali being in the 35 man list) and accuse the coach of corruption but I am happy you have answered him very capably.

Yes as an SE fan he should cheer the team regardless.

Mujtahida:
Abi, before forgiveness had no facts. Now he has a fact that can at least buttress his stance yet he's to be shut down without an answer to his claims. Kog45 is saying there's nepotism but let it be. This is Nigeria after all. My issue with forgiveness is that he will not let it rest. He will cry from now till 2022. It's really tiring.

How is that sentiment?

MetalJigsaw:
Is that not sentiment?

Very predictable

tbaba1234:
Official!!!!

Stephen Eze, Dele Ajiboye , Uche Agbo and Junior Lokosa

Dropped

I have already given my opinion on the 23

MetalJigsaw:
OK. Since its very likely Rohr will pick 6 forwards. There's just a spot left. Who do you see filling the gap?

Moses
Musa
Ighalo,
Simy
Iwobi
? ? ?

Lol.. why pick a player just to fulfil all righteousness? You are not getting my point in the argument.

MetalJigsaw:
Are you serious at all? But Ezenwa, Joel, Agu's invitations are necessary right?