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blueto:
Dialogue is about discussion with the intent to understand – not debate with the intent to win. - Jesse Lyn Stoner

"as if their lives depend on it" -- I like that

Humility017:
God bless you my brother....
from all indications I can see the rationale for the call of nwakeme over kayode even kayode handlers confirmed it....

but some peeps here won't reason it...
recently the Europa and ucl qualifiers and we see these lad nwakeme bag in goals....
but kayode hasn't play for a while just recently he got a 10 minutes debut against A Madrid...
if we keep arguing about this...how about Isaac success.....the beast who had over 30 minutes play time during the week and even contributed in his team goal....




sometimes I just can't deduce why some advocate for some players from just a certain part of the country as if their lives depend on it...and even go insult the German coach.....

the underlying rationale for such disposition I still can't deduce....

Which is why I said earlier Rohr has ran the rule over Kayode in the past. Hence if he rated Kayode so highly he would have recalled him - let's read the handwriting on the wall Rohr wants to succeed. He will call up who he thinks can deliver for him from match to match

Kog45:
That's d truth,half fit Keshi was in US 94 squad at d expense of fully fit Isaac Semitoje,half fit Amokachie was in aFrance 98 ditto to Amuneke who made Atlanta 96 despite lack of fitness.In any team we always have special consideration,Olishe came in as half fit against Senegal and turned d game a round.

That's faulty reasoning. You call that an insult Why am I even wasting my time responding to you?

AndreTAyodeji:
Hey,you know you dont have to say that because its an insult but i will turn a blind eye to that because i believe in healthy arguments.However,your statement saying Nwaekeme has proved his mettle on a higher level and Kayode hasn't because you probably prefer Nwaekeme to Kayode is belittling.

Who is better is your own argument. Follow the thread. I don't want to repeat myself.

forgiveness:
Is UEFA league qualification higher than Europa league? Kayode scored 2 goals and gave an assist in the EUROPA league. He also scored 3 goals and gave 2 assists in the Europa league qualification stage. He has moved on to be signed by Manchester City and now playing in the la liga.

Kayode still better. Don't forget that just as Nwakaeme was the 3rd joint highest goal scorer in the Isreali league last season, Kayode was the 3rd joint highest goal scorer in the Isreali league 4 seasons ago before he moved to Austria. Kayode is more experienced than Nwakaeme. That's it.

Nag.. Yes!

Humility017:
he is one of those players that can be replaced for the now...so I don't understand the reason for the nag

Lol oya Kayode faithfuls attack lol

Kog45:
Kayode has not merit such special consideration to be invited half fit but player like Nacho,Mikel,Moses can be invited half fit if they believe they can do it or do u think Rohr w invite half fit Nwakaeme or Awaziem to camp

I concede to your points. But don't get overly emotional by telling me I was rubbishing Kayode because I made that statement. Read over my statements, that's not belittling. How una dey reason sef?

AndreTAyodeji:
Did you know that Kayode played Europa last season and even scored two(2) goals against Roma which has top quality defenders like Rudiger and Manolas?And i am sure you know Roma is a far better opponent than Maribor whom Nwaekeme was playing against in the champions league qualifiers?.So Maribor is the higher stage that Nwaekeme is playing?. You see i wont mind even if Nwaekeme is played ahead of Ighalo against Cameroon because he is a team player in addition to him being physical which will allow Nacho to thrive as an SS or AM but you trying to Belittle or Rubbish Kayode because Nwaekeme is one of your favourites is not acceptable and it is sentimental.

Tammy Abraham has opened his account

Best is subjective. E.g Kingsley Eduwo is the "best" striker in our CHAN team -- but he is not the highest goal scorer in the NPFL. The coach knows what he is looking for. Is he always righ? No. But he cant listen to everyone. That's why he is the coach. He will pick HIS best.

Kog45:
Sorry for misquoting u by using word 'better' am not suspecting any fowl play over Nwakaeme invitation, Rohr ve said it that Kayode lack fitness coz he did not have much game during pre season which I quite agree

All I want is d result irrespective of player invited for d match,have been watching d game for long,so I always watch it with relaxed mind but nevertheless d best should be called to national team.

I'm sure I posted my response more than once.. Take your time to follow discussions. Anyone who thinks otherwise should state facts, and I will concede. We don't win money from winning arguments here.

forgiveness:
hahahhhahhhahha! I no talk am say he will not tell how Nwakaeme has played at the higher stage than Kayode? Na manner em come dey lecture now. Bhahahahahahaha!

Mister man, I am calm and cool but at the same time .....i can treat you the way you approach..... take ya time ooooo.

If he was really impressed with Kayode he would have got a recall. Other players fitness were also in question. I don't think the coach will take much of his time explaining every of his decisions. I believe he just gave quick answers. There are other factors he considered especially for this Cameroon match up. I remember him saying the opponents is also one factor he considers in selection.

tbaba1234:
Kayode was not invited because according to Rohr, he has hardly played in pre season, meaning his fitness was not yet there.

I know say you sabi English o.. I never even use that word "better" since.. no be una they suspect foul play say Nwakaeme was invited, why not Kayode?. I only said Nwakaeme has proved his mettle at a higher stage considering UEFA Champions league qualification. If the stats prove me wrong, I will concede. But let's not forget many factors are also put into consideration in player selection.

I have never said nwakaeme is better, or vice versa. last last, dem go reach camp. It's either Rohr likes what he sees, or he don't.

Kog45:
Nwakaeme better than Kayode?champions league abi,No my man that should not be d yardstick,hope u remember a player called Mike Obiku of feyenord in d 90s,this guy was a bomb but still find it difficult to displace Yekini or even get a call up to displace Siasia or Amokachie,also Richard Owubokiri of Boavista who had it so good in Europe but couldn't make it in d national team,hope u remember Chris Ohenhen.

I'm not saying Kayode is better than Nwakaeme vice versa but basing your argument on champions league play off,I w never accept that

On Awoniyi and Nacho we should not go into that coz they belong to different class, Nacho is on another level that I believe Awoniyi is aspiring to be,so case close.

By domestic league, I meant their performances at their respective domestic league -- Austria and Israel.
But Kayode was invited before now. Did he get invited immediately? No!.. UEFA champions league qualification just happened. I'm sure about Nwakaeme, who just proved his mettle at the UEFA league qualification. He performed. He scored breathtaking goals. That cannot be ignored. I didn't watch Kayode at the Europa league. Can you tell us how he performed.

tbaba1234:
What domestic league? Was Kayode not outstanding in the Europa league? How is UEFA league qualification greater than the Europa league??

The truth is that we are very sentimental in most things. Even when there is no foul play we suspect foul play. We expect that there should be one set standard as to who gets invited e.g ONLY based on the league they play, ONLY based on current form, ONLY who scores the most goals, ONLY who has the most assists. etc
The reality is, some or all of these factors, AND MORE are put into consideration. If it were a national coach running the SE, I will believe he could be tribalistic because in most of our national affairs we throw away logic, we sacrifice success for sentiments. That's just our mindset as Nigerians -- at least most of us.

Rohr is in charge now, let's at least believe he is selecting without sentiments.

Kog45:
My man don't let us turn this thread to political thread where they based their comments on tribal,this is football section and let us talk football,though we have a lot of comments that have tribal traits but only people with third eyes knows that and that should not derail d thread.

It is for the same reason I'm calling for a future call up for Adegbenro -- Europa League. He did not only play at that level, but almost single handedly knocked out Ajax. That's not a feat to be ignored.

take note.. I said proved his mettle at a higher stage than Kayode -- Champions League qualification. He did not just play at a higher stage. but proved his mettle as well. That's an advantage over Kayode. And that is a fact.

Mickael2:
same question I have in mind

UEFA league qualification is a higher stage than the domestic league. Nwakaeme is the best player in Israel just a Kayode was voted the best in Austria. I only made a statement of fact. CAF champions league is a higher stage than the domestic league -- bringing it home.

tbaba1234:
How has Nwakaeme proved himself at a higher stage than Kayode??

UEFA league qualification. Before now he was best in Israel. Who cared, but we started noticing him then. It will be foolhardy to thing match up is never considered during invitation. I think he also got a call up because Cameroon is the opponent and Rohr feel he can add the value he needs.

There is no double standards in selection. There are many factors the coaches consider.

Modified.
Rohr has ran the rule over Kayode. Let's not not forget that.

forgiveness:
Chisos! Nwakeame proved his mettle at a higher stage than Kayode! bhahahahaha! Are you serious?

Oya, explain how, when and where he played at the higer stage.

You guys expect a guy to just get a call up after 4 matches in the Jupiler League, considering he was relatively unknown before now. Na fantasy league we dey play.

forgiveness:
ive me name.
I know Olayinka has been doing well majorly as a RW with 4 assists, and has scored the only goal as a CF and with a assist yet people are talking about past glory. I just intentionally excluded him before then g

Na Naija referee just ref Bou vs Mcity match lol

Na Maine referee just ref Bou vs Mcity match lol

I hope you are being sarcastic again. Nwakaeme has prooved his mettle at a higher stage than Kayode. Iheanacho has always been better than Awoniyi.

forgiveness:
Based on the theory past glory Awoniyi will displace Iheanacho. simple.


Kayode is more experienced and better than Nwakeam

We are saying the same thing. But Russia is the context here. Maybe about 30% of this set up will not make it to Russia, if we qualify.

Icon4s:
Not just some but all eventually.

Modified
Don't expect that when we qualify we would have many new faces. In actuality it rarely happens. Unless we bring back Oningbide.

National team coaches don't change a winning team like that.

My own is the transition should be gradual and must lead to improvements.

Follow my arguments on here. We invite who we think is best. Like I said some of these players will be phased out eventually.

Icon4s:
We invite only the best.

No special considerations for any group of players or leagues. Once the technical crew see you as one who can add value, you get called up.

Oh yes. But my point was we need to also consider players in leagues we consider low, especially in positions we need reinforcement.

Icon4s:
Be sincere, go back to our list of strikers and tell me Awoniyi would have displaced anyone of them. Remember Olanrewaju Kayode and Henry Onyekuru did not even make it.

Does this not translate instead to the fact that our attack is more competitive than that of Cameroon?

Onyekuru could be better. Don't write him off just after a few games in the Jupiler league. A better judgement can be made overtime. It's not like Musa and Moses have an excellent record at their clubs of recent.

forgiveness:
You dey mind dem.

As you rightly said, I am also ok with Onazi and Ndidi but excluding Onazi completely from the league for Mikel Agu who is also in the Turkish league, alongside Ogu and Esiti, is a no no for me'

On Simon and Musa, I think the goal is to bring inOnyekuru whom I think is good but not better than the two. They are just deacieving demselves.

The point is when you perform at a higher stage you bring attention to yourself. You can be hardly ignored. When you perform at a lower stage you also bring attention to yourself. But it may take you longer to get a call up. Nwakaeme was the best player in Israel last season. But he is just getting called because of his exploits in the UEFA champions league qualification, and he is seen as someone who has grit, that gave him the advantage especially as regards Cameroon. Don't forget it also took Ogu long before he got a recall

Players like Kayode, Onyekuru brought some attention to themselves, but don't expect they will displace proven regulars based on recent matches in the national team. What some of you consider past glory is not in the distant past like we want to make it seem. Any player who is not meeting up will be phased out eventually. There are so many players doing quite well, we can only make accurate comparisons overtime. We can't just say one player is better than another player based on the most recent stats.

Modified
I will say players like moses Simon and Musa better watches their backs. Because there are players gearing up to seize their chance with both hands. But don't E xpect that change should happen suddenly. Musa for example earned an assist against Algeria. He has scored in recent friendlies. It will be hard to just dump him. He would be kept in SE fold for now even if it means just making the bench

forgiveness:
Nwakeam scored 13 Goals last season in the Israeli league, the coach and his cronies has quickly included him on the list by excluding Kayode Olanrewaju who had scored the same numbers of goals in the said league 3 or 4 seasons ago (but conspicuously overlooked).

Last season, he was not included in the list despite the fact that he scored goals and assisted in the Europa league but was latter included after public outcry, and when he came, he was not played in some matches and introduced in the second half.

After winning the best player of the year and the highest goal scorer in the Austrian league Manchester City noticed him but our national team coach ignored him due to some advice from na my brother somebody.


My point is Israeli league has suddenly become the alfa and the omega, ba, because of NWAKEAM but when Kayode was there, it was an obscure league.

Who una dey deceive?

NWAKEAM is not better than what is on ground but we know na we we dey at play.

Out of natural positions. Sure!!

Mickael2:
I am sorry, is there anyone of them that I played out of position?

Natural positions again.. Lol

Mickael2:
I did mention that Onazi should be a utility player. I like the guy honestly, he is the kind of guy everybody wants to have in a squad but not the first team. he can be a stopgap solution for a lot of positions although he may not be necessarily fantastic in any of the said positions but takeaway nothing from him, he can act as a pretty good impersonator there, like RB, LB, DMF and CMF but as a starter? based solely on present form, that would be a No No for me, like you said he can pick up his form again.

Moses Simon isn't all that bad but his decision making is bad, he always tends to cut outside instead of cutting inside and his crosses are just so poor, makes you wonder why he can't just reinvent his game as an inverted winger. no need crossing the ball when you know you can't cross, just cut in and try something different, alas he hasn't learnt that yet and he keeps on putting in awful crosses. now we have a pool of young wingers who can cut inside, cut outside and still put in a decent delivery so he needs to go back to the drawing board now, the bench isn't even supposed to be for him.

Ahmed Musa for me is just there. in almost all the big games he has played he has always bottled great chances. at the AFCON final in 2013, dude was clean through but somehow he fell down, I can't forget that scene ever, and Burkina Faso countered but thank God Enyeama was :/ top form and that was how we managed to hold on. against SA dude was missing one on one chances like they were long range shots. it was an eyesore, personally we may want to consider playing the guy as a LWB. just think about.....

Costa-Iheanacho/ Nwakaeme
Pedro-Kayode/ Onyekuru
Hazard-Victor Moses(obviously)
Alonso-Ahmed Musa/Etebo
VicMo-Aina/Ebuehi(include the other RBs here)
Matic-Mikel obviously/Iwobi as deputy or OGU
Kante-Ndidi for me/Onazi/Agu/Azubuike
Cahil-Ekong
Luiz-Ogu
Azpilicueta-Balogun

the problem is that we do not have a tactically astute coach who is willing to play these players in their natural positions

Ok u were being sarcastic

forgiveness:
Hehehehe! You misunderstood me greatly.

Recent national team stats Nko? If we keep changing our team based on players most recent matches at club level, will we have a team?

forgiveness:
Based on past glory theory some players should not be on the list.

Number one on the list is HENRY ONYEKURU. Zero goal, zero assist and *cough*that's it.

Number two on the list is KELECHI IHEANACHO... Zero goal, zero assist and 8 minutes of game time. Chisos!

While Ahmed Musa don score for the only match he played and Moses Simon has done nothing special as Henry though he has more game time than Onyekuru yet some people want them out just because of ONYEKURU.

Can Onyekuru play free kick better than Simon Moses? can Onyekuru play SS, RM, AM, LM & CF better than Moses Simon?

OK, Taiwo Awoniyi has scored 1 goal and assisted twice in 3 matches, why is he not mentioned or called? Is this not present glory?

Based on Rohr claims of lack of game time one player ought not to be in the team..

Kelechi Iheanacho......

Why did Rohr exclude Kayode Olanrewaju? Mafians ruling the national team as a cult. I guess.