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I'm not a bible scholar
but they are easy to answer.

1. Joh 7:8 Go ye up unto this feast: I go not up yet unto this feast; for my time is not yet full come.
Jesus said go to the feast, I will not go yet, He went later, no lie there.

2. Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

And six days later some did see Jesus appear in His Kingdom.

Mat 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
Mat 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
Mat 17:3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

JMAN05:
This does not mean that God inhabit in humans. nope. Jesus stated that he Father dwells in the heavens. he said our father in the HEAVEN, not Father in humans

these scriptures support that conclusion 2kings 8:13, 27

God said He will dwell in believers 2cor 6:16
You said no He wont

Bad for you

Mary the mother of Jesus is a good person
God chose her to be the mother of Jesus
but she is only a person like you or me

Jesus taught us how to pray
He started by saying "Our Father"

we pray to God
not to people or Angels

Yes the catholic mary is not the Mary mother of Jesus

the catholic mary has appeared to people, Fatima, Lourdes etc
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

JMAN05:
God's holy spirit I said. spirit can refer to a person or to a thing.

It is the active force that can move someone to utter such speech of prophesy recorded in God's word. God is not an impersonal force that will do that to more than one individuals.

When God's spirit is operative on someone, it produces those qualities. God is a person who do not dwell in a human.

Read Gen 1:2 in NWT.

2Co_6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.


Jesus +
Father
= 2 persons


mighty god +
almighty god
= 2 gods

Proove That Jesus Is God

Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

WE know Jesus is the Word (John 1:14)
we know that the Word is God (John 1:1)
we know Jesus is God.

1Th 5:17 Pray without ceasing.

I believe it means to pray regularly
like at night before going to sleep

That's a good time for me to pray - talk to God
while in bed and all is quite
not out loud but in my mind.

haidara007:
Plsss can anyone tell me where jesus called/declared himself god in the bible.

Yes Jesus called/declared himself God in the bible

Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Joh 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him...

5. The only begotten son of the almighty has a name,his name was not derived from any analogy but the bible specificaly and directly mentioned what that name is. The almighty himself has a name,his name was not derived from any analogy but the bible specificaly and directly tell us what his name is . Now pls does anyone know the name of the holy spirit, did the bible give holy spirit a name ?. I believe the answer is no cus holy spirit is not a person.

The Holy spirit has a name and is a person

Mat 28:19 Therefore go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

The Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost are one God, one Spirit

The word name "anome" means a literal name, authority, character
the Holy Spirit has a name authority and character along with the Father and the Son

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


Jesus called the Holy Ghost the Comforter, Jesus said He is also our teacher.


Isa 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and His Spirit, hath sent me.

Job 33:4 The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.

Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

We have communion - fellowship with the Holy Ghost
it is God that we commune with

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

It is the Holy spirit who counsell's us.
Jesus can only be called counsellor and Father because the three persons are the One God.




1Co_3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co_3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

2Co_6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

The Holy Spirit lives in believers
God lives in believers
the Holy Spirit is God

1) why is the holyspirit NEVER said to have a throne if its a person ? Psalm 97:2

God and Jesus have a Throne in the Temple in Heaven where they live
and the Holy Spirit lives in the temple - body of believers

CANTICLES:
Let me repeat those 2 questions he asked again

1) why is the holyspirit NEVER said to have a throne if its a person ? Psalm 97:2



2) the spirit of truth was directly compared with spirit of error in 1JOH 4:6, is the SPIRIT OF ERROR a person ?

yes, the spirit of antichrist is in all persons that oppose Christ
the chief antichrist of course is he that is in the world - satan
the spirit of error is the antichrist - satan.

1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
1Jn 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

he that is in the world is satan.

1Jn 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1Jn 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

CANTICLES:
Scripture says the Father alone is NAMED Jehovah (Psalm 83:18)

That scripture say's that the most high God is Jehovah
that is God and the Word
Psa 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.
is not talking about one person of the Godhead but about the one God.

And We Are Told That Is Nature is spiritual

??

God IS Spirit" Joh 4:24

Yes God is the Holy Spirit
perhaps you must think His Spirit is not Holy
1Pe 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
1Pe 1:16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
God said He is Holy
God is Spirit
God is the Holy Spirit

So u deduce from 2cor 3:17 that the Father is the holyspirit , then the TRINITY collapse on this platform since this proves they ar not distinct from each other as the trinity agree.

It would be helpful if you quoted others accurately
Jehovah is a name of God
I deduced that God who is spirit is the Holy Spirit

Blind argument that shoot you in the leg

Stay away from guns.

- Father Jehovah God is the Spirit ! Is this refferin to Father Jehovah as same with holyspirit ? NO! Why ? The verse immediately separates the holyspirit when it said " the SPIRIT OF Jehovah"

Is the Spirit of Jehovah not Holy
or is Jehovah the Holy Spirit
of whom blasphemy against is not forgiven

Jesus (while a man) said you can blaspheme me
but you cannot blaspheme the Holy Spirit and be forgiven
surely the Holy Spirit is Jehovah, who is God, who is Spirit

2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
It's the Holy Spirit that gives us liberty - freedom

2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
It's the Holy spirit that changes us.

Father and the Word are God
Father and the Word are Spirit
The Holy Spirit is God

God is Spirit and yes God is powerful.
The Holy Spirit is God
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit...

It's the Spirit that is God, of course the Holy Spirit is powerful but the Holy Spirit is not a power, He is God.

Blasphemy against the Holt Spirit will never be forgiven,
yet some say He is not God.

If God is Spirit, and He is,
then the Holy Spirit is God, as my neice would say, duh.

We are fortunate, we who don't preach that the Holy spirit is not God,
and we who don't preach that Jesus is not God.
How can they think they are Christians when they believe that a mere man or a mere angel is the Saviour of the world.
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Sectarian fellowships have this in common: they all believe what they are told to believe from men.

cosiocan:
As the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, even so our minds have been corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For the world have preached another Jesus whom the Apostles have not preached, and we have received a different spirit which the Apostles have not received, and a different gospel which the Apostle have not preached—and we have well put up with it! Take heed! For this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. (1 John 5:11-12) And by this we know that the Son of God abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. (1 John 3:24). For God have predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to him. (Ephesians 1:5) And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” (Galatians 4:4-6). And we did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but we received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” (Romans 8:15). Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. (Roman 8:9). But He that is joined unto the Lord Jesus Christ is One Spirit with the Lord (1 Corinthians 6:17). Because the Lord Jesus Christ is that Holy Ghost; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.( 2 Corinthians 3). A man must acknowledge and receive that Jesus Christ is that Holy Ghost to be saved.

I just want to point out one thing:
We are saved through faith in Jesus,
we don't have to know and understand that Jesus is the Holy Ghost to be saved.
The Holy Spirit is God's Spirit,
God is God and the Word (John 1:1)
God gives His Spirit to believers in the name - character or person, of Jesus.

Joh 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

HopeAlive14:
There is no way "Three Persons" can be One Person or language has lost its meaning.

Not unless he is Schizophrenic, but three persons can be in one God.

Yes, I am made up of spirit, soul and body; does that make me three? I am ONE person with these three attributes.

Your spirit soul and body are not attributes, those three make up the one you,
for instance you are not you without your body, and you are a corpse without your spirit.

God is ONE GOD, manifesting HIMSELF as Father, Son and Holy Spirit and not as Three Persons.

Is Jesus not a person?

The Father Son and Holy Spirit exist together at the same time.
For instance, Jesus prayed to the Father (Matthew 11:25)


Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness...

joseph1832:
From the above verses, I don't see any connotation that the Holy Spirit is a person.

We read in the Bible where Jesus was called The Son of Man literally. Kindly show me where in the Bible the Holy Spirit was referred to as a person.

There are many places in the Bible where the Holy Spirit is referred to as "HE".

Also:

2Co 13:14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen.

We can only have fellowship with another fellow - person.

For those who say the Holy Spirit is not a person:

Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

we are saved through faith - belief (verse 8 below)
We don't work to be saved (verse 9)
We work because we are saved (verse 10)

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Those who do not do good works but still live a worldly lifestyle have a dead faith,
a faith without good works.

Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.


Don't be worried that you are not doing much good works,
many of us cannot, but we are willing to,
the main works I do is resisting sin and becoming a better person over time,
hating sin when it occurs and asking God to forgive me,
and I believe it is God who is doing these good works in me,
only God is Good.

olivegirl:
. Yes we are the same

Not when I last looked.

God knew who the saved would be even before creation,
and He determined that they become the image of Jesus.

At some point in their lives He leads them to come to Christ,
and they become justifies by the workings of His Holy Spirit in them.

When Jesus appears they will be glorified and caught up to christ in the clouds in the air, and will evermore be with Him.


Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Rom 8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

CAPTIVATOR:
Thirdly, God is NEVER described as " three in one" in the scriptures

God is exactly described as that.

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

CAPTIVATOR:
First of all we must dispense with I John
5:7 which reads in the King James Version
"For there are three that bear record
In heaven, the Father, the Word, and
The Holy Ghost : and these three are
one."
There is a problem with this verse. The
words that I typed in bold print are not
Scripture. They should NOT be in the
Bible. There are many Bibles that do not
contain these words. Here are a few:

The original Greek text that the King James bible is translated from say's the same thing.
1Jn 5:7 ForG3754 there areG1526 threeG5140 that bear recordG3140 inG1722 heaven,G3772 theG3588 Father,G3962 theG3588 Word,G3056 andG2532 theG3588 HolyG40 Ghost:G4151 andG2532 theseG3778 threeG5140 areG1526 one.G1520

The old Greek manuscript word for Father is pater which in English means Father.
The old Greek manuscript word for Word is logos which means Word or the Word.
The old Greek manuscript words for Holy Ghost is hagios which means Holy and pneuma which means Spirit.

Also they are two verses not the same one.

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1Jn 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

How are we to be Holy?

Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Are you living the same old life?

We are Holy if we put to death our old sinful ways, and live according to God's Word.

Some preach that we don't have to do anything other than believe,
but even the devils believe.

We have to follow the leadings of God's Spirit,
if you are not experincing a conscience against wrong behaviour,
then you do not have the Holy Spirit residing in you,

Sincerely ask God in the quiteness of your mind to forgive you all your sins
and lead you into a life pleasing to Him.

Eternity is forever, how you spend it is very important, prepare now.

olivegirl:
God have two attributes, male and female, he uses any based on messages he wants to pass. Bible said let us create man in our own image. He created ye him male and female. Men he gave supreme and women he gave spiritual stronger and pgysical weak. Ever wonder why kingdom of darkness always demand from their fellowers their mom or wife. Women are spiritual worriors. So whoever said that is 100percent right. That day many will see him in his female attribute. Den shower him insults. Have you wonder why adam was asleep when eve was being created? God is male and female. But more soft when he changes to women.

Probably because God was removing a rib from him.

trustman:
A person is justified for salvation at the point he expresses faith alone in Christ alone - Romans 5:1 "Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."
Notice this verse says 'justified by FAITH'.

Yes I noticed it said justified by faith and not justified by a dead faith.

Always, the basis of man's acceptance before God is NEVER man's works BUT the finished work of Jesus Christ alone.

Well you got that sentence right, but no one here said diffrently.

Again, James' emphasis is on not just being 'hearers' but but on being 'doers' as well ( i.e. Those who apply what they hear or know).

Knowing the word of God and not applying it is useless ( of no benefit) - "Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless?" (James 2:20). Notice that the word used here is 'useless' and in other places 'dead'.

Jas_1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

The devils have faith, but it is without God's works, therefor a dead faith,
your faith without works is the same faith as the devils have,
are the devils saved?
I will answer it, NO,
and neither are you, if God is not working in you.

You are all over the place to try and support your position.
The faith talked about in verse 20 is belief in God, verse 19.
You say it is faith from being a doer and not just a hearer of the word,
you use scripture wrongly to try and make your case,
I won't reply to you again in this thread.

trustman:
To clarify from two other epistle writers - Paul & Jude: 
In 1 Timothy 4:1when Paul writes "Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons," the 'departing from the faith' here refers to abandoning sound biblical truth in exchange for falsehood. Not reference to 'faith' as in 'trust'.

To say that abandoning sound Biblical truth for falsehood is not departing from the faith of Jesus is ridiculous.

satan has appeared in visions to people as a woman named mary.

I believe.

trustman:
To clarify from two other epistle writers - Paul & Jude: 
In 1 Timothy 4:1when Paul writes "Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons," the 'departing from the faith' here refers to abandoning sound biblical truth in exchange for falsehood. Not reference to 'faith' as in 'trust'.

I see, devoting themselves to deceitful spirits doesn't refer to them departing from faith in Jesus.

In Jude 1:3 where he writes "Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints." the 'faith' we are to contend for is biblical truth not 'faith' as in 'trust'. 

Our common salvation is by faith in Jesus Christ,
not by our bibical knowledge.

That is why his reference to Abraham is key because he (Abraham) was already saved before the incident James cited. Therefore the 'justification' for Abraham that James refers to cannot be justification for salvation but that of justification by works for REWARD.

All the saved are foreknown by God,
He considers them righteous when they first come to faith in Christ,
and He then justifies their faith, as in Abraham.
Faith without works is dead.

trustman:
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James' emphasis is not salvation. 
The word 'faith' in James 2:17 (cf. 2:14) is not as in that of trust in Christ for salvation. 
The Greek word for 'faith' does not always mean "trust". It also refers to biblical truth i.e. the information conveyed by God's Word.

Jas 2:17 EvenG2532 soG3779 faith,G4102 ifG1437 it hathG2192 notG3361 works,G2041 isG2076 dead,G3498 being alone.G2596 G1438

faith
G4102

πίστις
pistis
pis'-tis
From G3982; persuasion, that is, credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly constancy in such profession; by extension the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself: - assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.
Total KJV occurrences: 244

I have seen one well known and well followed Bible teacher online say that once we are saved we can do anything, live a life of sin, ignore the Holy Spirit etc. and still remain saved.

To me that is a lot of rot.

trustman:
Again a clear understanding of James 2:17 - "Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. " - is this:
'Faith (i.e. Biblical truth that a person knows or creed/spiritual principles that a person knows), if it has no works (i.e. If it is not applied: Not put into practice), is dead (i.e. Produces no results, remains stagnant, is useless), being by itself'

So you are saying persons can have a useless and dead faith and still be saved.


verse 19 shows that if you have faith without works then your faith - belief is no diffrent to the devils.
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

We are saved by grace through faith, and Works justifies or proves our faith.