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jw's believe Jesus is an Angel.
With Jesus being the exact likeness of Jehovah,
then jw's should believe that Jehovah is an Angel also.

More scriptures, but they are not for non believers, they are for my pleasure

Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.



1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

CAPTIVATOR

- mayb you think Angel reffer to beings that have wings , may i tell you that God Almighty himself is described as having wings .

God is described as having wings on more than one ocassion in the poetic style
Jesus said He would like to gather the people of Jerusalem under His wings as a hen does
but Jesus doesn't have wings and is not a hen.

Many scriptures have been given showing that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh
and I won't keep giving them to non believers
John 1 shows that the Word is God and that the Word became Jesus christ
yet jw's don't believe scriptures that go against their man given beliefs
they say in opposition to scriptures that Jesus Christ is an Angel

U ar a catholic

such accusers

the father of accusers:
Rev_12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

CAPTIVATOR:
YOU NEED SERIOUS BIBLE STUDY

No the diffrence between me and you is that
I don't change the plain meaning of scripture

- Micheal is never called an "angel"

- angel means "messenger " and Micheal is never refferd to as an angel.

- Micheal is called " Arch Angel" which means " CHIEF of the angels" ! He is superior to them.

Arch means chief,
Angel means just that, Angel
Michael is a Chief Angel

G743

ἀρχάγγελος
archaggelos
ar-khang'-el-os
From G757 and G32; a chief angel: - archangel.
Total KJV occurrences:

- Rev 12:7 distinguish Micheal separately from angels " Micheal and his angels"

You mean like a General and his Soldiers
a General is a Soldier too

- mayb you think Angel reffer to beings that have wings , may i tell you that God Almighty himself is described as having wings .

- Jesus VOICE will raise the dead (john 5:28,29), the ARCHANGE'LS VOICE will raise the dead [1 the 4:16] . Reconcile

It is seemingly certain that Michael is the Angel of the Lord
He is given all the authority of God
As in God giving revelation to Jesus, and Jesus sending it with His Angel to John. rev 1
He is the Angel of the Lord
he is not "the" Lord.

1Th_4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

It means just as it says:
the lord descends with a shout, with the voice of the archangel
not with a shout, with the voice of the Lord

U ar a catholic, take the test

Mary is the mother of whom? Jesus OR God

that's a test?
Mary of course is the mother of Jesus, the Word of God in the flesh
and the Word was God

joviegghead:
Pay attention to the JW with an open mind

Like jw's do with others

CAPTIVATOR:
Oh! Tongue twistin man , i thought that scripture said " to which of the Arch angel did he said"

No the Greek name that Angel comes from there is "aggelos" and it means Angel
are you implying that because Michael is an Arch Angel that it does not apply to Him
an arch Angel is an Angel

Just Keep adhering to those heresies u receive from ur RELIGIOUS MOTHER, CATHOLIC CHURCH .

I don't belong to the Roman Catholic Church, I have posted against some of their beliefs.

CAPTIVATOR:
How does this answer the question he asked ? Oh! No wonder someone on another thread said u are just tongue twisting around, i tink i now believe that statement.

OK, it is simple but I will try and explain it further for you

Jesus is the same as the Father because they are both the One God (John 1:1).
The Son is not the Father in worldly terms,
and the Son and the Father are two persons,
and the Son is the Father and vice versa because they are God.


I know you cannot understand that.

Line 1. Jesus the Word and Father God are the same because they are the one-same God (John 1:1)
Line 2. The Son is not the Father in worldly terms because in worldly terms a Son cannot be His Father,
that's not hard to understand
In the beginning was the Word, the Word was with God and the word was God
the Word became Jesus and God is the Father
the Word is God
Jesus is God
Line 3. the Son and the Father are two persons, again easy to understand
Line 4. and the son-the Wor, is the Father-God, and vice versa because they are God,
the Word and God are God, scripture says so.



Line 5. I knew you could not understand that-and I believe you still won't understand it

how can anyone who is taught what to believe, instead of reading the Bible and getting their own understanding,
believe or understand anything that is contrary to what they have been taught to believe.

CAPTIVATOR:
How does this answer the question he asked ?

riko wouldn't answer questions I asked but kept asking questions himself
so I told him I wouldn't reply to him again
although I do at times when I want to

Oh! No wonder someone on another thread said u are just tongue twisting around, i tink i now believe that statement.

of course you will, jw's believe whatever other jw's tell you

they tell you Jesus is an Angel and you believe it

Heb_1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

armageddon is not a battle but a place, a place where God destroys the armies of the world that are coming against Jerusalem (yet future)
Rev 16:16 And he gathered the armies together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

which is the area in Israel known as har meddigo

John the Revelator calls that battle "the battle of that great day of God Almighty" rev 16:14
just two verses before he tells where it takes place

CANTICLES:
But he didnt say I and the Father are ONE GOD ! If u dont understand what he meant by "one" read 1 corinthin 3:7,8 where scripture said " Paul and Apollo are ONE "

Jesus was saying He and God are One God which all the scriptures I have posted support
and which you obviously don't believe

Paul and Apollos are not god
they were one in belief and their work.

U urself said God and the word !

Yes just like scripture does

Remember john 1:1 said the word WAS WITH God , can u be with urself ? No ,

so that's another scripture you don't believe

they are two distinct persons

yes they are two distinct persons

AND JOHN 1:1 NEVER SAID THEY ARE "ONE GOD" .

John 1:1 said they are God, and scripture I have posted show that God is one
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
God=God and the Word=God
God and the Word are two persons and the one True God

Jesus said this bcoz 'he is a representative from the Father' John 7:29

Jesus said that because the Father and Jesus are God
God and the Word are God
I won't post all the scriptures again, just to be disbelieved again

Kindly show us where Jesus said I and the Father are ONE GOD ? Or else stop this heresy

Try being truthful, I said it, I never posted Jesus saying something there
God and the word is God John 1:1
the Word became Jesus Christ verse 14
God and Jesus Christ is God
two persons:
God and Word=One God
two persons:
God and Jesus Christ=One God
Jesus said I and the Father are God
He was talking about He and the Father being the one God
the One True God, obviously

You calling something heresy, that's ripe

So are you implying that Jesus said Humans have seen what the Father looks like are you? Because that would mean Apostle John was lying at John 1:18 "No man has seen GOD at any time...." And Jesus was a bigger Liar when he said "Not that any man hath seen the Father....." To this same disciples at John 6:46.

Is that the kind of God you want to worship?

It's very easy to understand for anyone with an open mind to the scriptures
jw's don't have an open mind, they are told what to believe and even what to say


Jesus said if you see me you see the Father
that is because he and the Father are God
he wasn't saying Me and the Father look the same, duh
remember John 1 and all the other scriptures which I don't keep posting to be again not believed
" he that hath seen me hath seen the Father"
meaning I also am God.

jw's are told what to believe by their orginisation
and they are even given answers, to reply to peoples questions

Their leaders must think:
Heaven forbid they be allowed to believe for themselves, they might come to know the Truth.

The Spirit, and the spirit of God, are the Holy Spirit of God.

the Spirit=the Holy Spirit
Mat_10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

the Spirit of God=the Holy Spirit
Rom_8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.


the Holy Spirit of God=the Holy Spirit
Eph_4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
the Spirit of God=the Holy Spirit=the holy Spirit of God

did you notice the Spirit of God=the Spirit of Christ

CANTICLES

Kindly Show us where Jesus said " I and the Father are ONE GOD" ?

Jesus said I and the Father are One (John 10:30)
John said God and the Word are God (John 1:1)
God and the word, the Father and Jesus, are One God.

Joh 12:45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.

Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

Three "PERSONS" equals THREE GODS who are equal you mean.

You are still yet to explain the dynamics behind Three Persons not being Three Gods!! Because to me, it sounds like you believe in a Three-headed God with a unified body/essence.

The above statement you made just confirm that YOU have 3 True Gods because they are different Persons not One person.

such confusion

1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion...

The True God is One God

but mighty god and Almighty God are two gods

John 1:1 says God and the Word are God
the Word became flesh. verse 14
Jesus said the Father and I are one. John 10:30
The Father and the Son are One God

Persons who leave the Jehovah Witness Orginisation
are called apostates by the remaining jw's

some of them leave because they have discovered that
Jesus is God in the flesh

The jw org. which teach that Jesus is an Angel has only been around about 145 years
Those teaching that Jesus is God in the flesh have been around since Christ was born
2000 years and longer for some prophets

And so it would seem the apostasy is of those who have left the 2000 year old belief that Jesus is God in the flesh to believe the new teaching of Jesus being an Angel and other

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1Ti 4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Although Titus appears to be speaking off the rcc (verse 3) who formed as the Holy Roman Empire
and the time since Christ also being called the end times

There are other religious orginisations formed in these end of the end times
who also don't believe the original teachings which are to be found in the Bible
the jw's have written a bible to fit their beliefs, it should be the other way around
getting your beliefs from the Bible



1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

Now what doctrine could be more of devils than the doctrine
that the Saviour of the World is an Angel

1Ti_2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
2Ti_1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

God is our Saviour
Jesus is our Saviour
God and the Word (Jesus) is God (John 1:1)

Maamin:
Just take a look;

How can they be two persons and yet they are one, the father is not the son and yet they are the same God..

johnw74, is tongue twisting here!

I told you, you couldn't understand it

and it's so simple.

U dont even understand urself .. u said Jesus is the SAME as the Father , YET contradict urself again by sayin the son is not the Father ! Hw can u teach people what u urself dont understand ?

You are far from the truth I tell you.


No..you dont understand what you are saying. Smh!

Ha ha, I wrote it, I understand it.

CANTICLES:
1 cor 11:3 was writen after Christ has been ressurected to heaven, woman is under the authority of a man,But God (The FATHER) is the head of christ wich means Christ is under the authority of the ONLY TRUE GOD.

Paul is not talking about the Glorified Jesus in Heaven
1cor 11:3 is talking about things on Earth, the head of man, the head of woman and the head of Christ

Human tradition ..... There is nothing like three person in the only God .

Not human tradition but God's written word, take a look at all the verses posted on the matter
but more importantly believe them.

Jesus said : Father is the ONLY GOD ( John 17:3)

Yes Father is the only God, God is One, but Jesus said "the only true God, and Jesus Christ"
it is important for Jesus to say God and Jesus Christ (Himself) because God and the Word are God
Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

And this is confirmed just two verses after when Jesus asked the Father to give Him back the Fathers own glory which He had before with Him.
Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Tradition of men .. UNLIKE YOU, Jesus sincerely recognize the Father as the TRUE GOD, ' Father .. You are The True God' John 17:1-3

No need for untruths, I, like Jesus recognize the Father as the TRUE GOD
and I recognize Jesus Christ as the TRUE GOD
and I recognize the Holy Spirit as the TRUE GOD

Three persons, Father, Son, Holy Spirit
One God.

CANTICLES:
Somone is called " the God Of Jesus Christ" in ephesian 1:17 , who is that person ?

that person is Jesus Father, and Jesus calls His Father God because He is God
And Jesus Father calls Jesus God, because Jesus is God
God and the Word are God
Father calls Son God:
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.


Heb 3:4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.
He who built all things is God
the Word Jesus built all things
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Isa 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.

Jehovah is our Lord and Saviour
Jesus is our Lord and Saviour

2Pe_1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
2Pe_2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
2Pe_3:2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
2Pe_3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one.
Joh 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Jesus said He is God and the Jews knew it, verse 33
and so they tried to stone Him

Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

News flash: if Jesus is the same as the father who is God, then how do you reconcile trinity doctrine that says "that the Godhead are three separate enthities or persons?" undecided

Jesus is the same as the Father because they are both the One God (John 1:1).
The Son is not the Father in worldly terms,
and the Son and the Father are two persons,
and the Son is the Father and vice versa because they are God.


I know you cannot understand that.

And I like the name YAHWEH


I do things yahweh

I like the name HAYAH

hayah goin

CANTICLES:
Mr, Satan is called " THE GOD" , Humans are called " GODS" , angels are also called " GOD" . So why do u shout around when Jesus is also called GOD ? Whereas uv forgotten he is still under the authority of someone ( 1 cor 11:3)....

"Mr"
I wouldn't give satan a respected title or a capital "S".

You don't call Jesus God,
be truthful
you call Jesus a god

1Co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

The Word became man-the Son of God
Fathers are head of the Sons
when the Word became the Son He did not cease to be God, impossible.
Which is something sectarian orginisations don't and could not understand

.........

The moment u can answer this question, ur eyes will open .

WHO is " the ONLY GOD" ?

WHO is " the True GOD" ?

The father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are the three persons in the Only God
the three persons are One God.
However your God and a god cannot be One God as the scriptures say,
your gods are two gods.


The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are three persons in the True God
However your God and a god cannot be "the" True God,
because your gods (God and a god) are two gods.

God's name is HAYAH in Hebrew as He said it to Moses, and it is I AM in English
and His name is "YHOVAH" in Hebrew, and as He said it to the Israelies

or JEHOVAH which is popular today, and is an English translation of the German name for "YHOVAH"
which was JEHOVA
It could be spelt and pronounced something else like YAHWEH or YEHOVAH or other still.

IN THE END THERE SHALL BE ONLY ONE BECAUSE A TRUE GOD HAS NO FATHER.

and there, is a jw saying that Jesus is not a true god, as opposed to the true God
and they say He is a god, as opposed to the God
and they say He is mighty god, as opposed to Almighty God

and then they say they are not talking about two gods

confusion stalks the jw's in all areas.

someone say's that Jesus lied, and some others agree with him/her

1. Read John 7:8-10. Jesus lied to his siblings

the scribes and Pharisees said Jesus had a demon
they will never be forgiven, Jesus had the Holy Spirit
not a demon
Mar_3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:

the lake of fire is the final home for many who talk evil of the Lord
who change the plain meaning of scripture etc



Joh_1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Joh_1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Your final destination is up to Jesus
and you say He lies

Joh_18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

johnw74:

Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

jmano5:

the holy spirit dwells in them, so why send them the ghost that is already in them?

the verse says "He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

but jw's appear to change so many scriptures.

a god is a false god
because there is only one true God
He is:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
God and the Word is God

the Word became flesh:
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
the Father (God) and Jesus (the Word) is God

you change John 1:1
and replacing "the Word" with "a god" the verse would read like this:
In the beginning was a god, and a god was with God, and a god was God.
ridiculous

God said: you shall have no other gods before me
yet you have another god with God

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate.. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure

you mean prideful beyond measure.

IN THE END THERE SHALL BE ONLY ONE BECAUSE A TRUE GOD HAS NO FATHER.

God is one now and always has been
it's all through the Bible

Only Jesus human body died
the Word can never die, He is God.

Even with us ordinary mortal humans, our bodys die
but our spirits go back to God who gave them.

OP, You have filled Nairaland with your chants " JW is a Cult"

I agree with him, jw's are a cult
the majority of Christianity believe that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh
jw's believe Jesus is an angel
and a god


I haven't posted much scripture here because I have discovered that Jw's
don't believe many of them
and even post against them giving them other meanings
as is what recently happened to scriptures I posted.

AgricSalt:
@Bingbagbo, the teaching of Trinity is not something we are breaking our heads debating about these days. Even some little girls from you people are asking: "If Jesus is God, who then did he pray to?".

The Word God, while being the flesh Jesus, prayed to the Father God.
You do not believe the scriptures that tell of Jesus-the Word being God
you change John 1:1 to say in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was a god.
there is only one true God and so you have a false god in Heaven with God
you have two gods in Heaven

God the Word became man, lower than the angels
why would not the Word-Jesus prays to the Father-God
they communicate in Heaven why not while the Word was on earth a man
God the Word did not cease to exist, He became weak flesh
so as the world can be saved by believing on Him and His sacrifice for us.

You also say the Word is mighty god, and Jehovah is almighty god
you believe in two gods.

You believe Jesus is an angel, although God said He never called any angel His only begotten son.

Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Liveair:
Please always try reading other translations other than the KJV that you have, they will enlighten you more. Other translations say '...i am not going to the feast...', nothing like YET.

Typical! How can you quote Lk 9:27 to explain Mtt 17:1 , this is very crafty!
Look, use the preceeding verses in Mattew 16:27 to explain Mattew 16:28, thats only logical.

Mattew 16:27-28
For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to hos works.
v28 Verily i say unto you, There be some here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Hope its clear to you now. Does that sound like Transfiguration to you?

Luk_9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

I believe Luke as well as Matthew
I like his wording of that verse better to matthews
but for you I will use Matthew

Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Matthew along with luke say some here wont die until they see the Kingdom of God or until they see the son of man coming in his Kingdom,
and they saw Jesus in His Kingdom, glorified and speaking with Elijah and Moses six days later.
The word Jesus used for coming was "erchomai " which means "appear" as well as other applications, and the event does describe the transfiguration

G2064

ἔρχομαι
erchomai
er'-khom-ahee
Middle voice of a primary verb (used only in the present and imperfect tenses, the others being supplied by a kindred [middle voice] word, ἐλεύθομαι eleuthomai or ἔλθω elthō; which do not otherwise occur); to come or go (in a great variety of applications, literally and figuratively): - accompany, appear, bring, come enter, fall out, go, grow, X light, X next, pass, resort, be set.
Total KJV occurrences: 639


Of course having posted to you a couple of times and you still insist that Jesus is a liar
I wont be posting to you again

As for the rest of your write up, its futile cos you cant use the bible, which itself, is under scrutiny to now defend itself. Hope it makes sense.

You don't.

JMAN05:
Jesus is in your holy ghost, and your holy ghost is in Jesus. Why did that place say "another" comforter? Isnt Jesus that holy ghost comforter?

Yiu believe too that Jesus is the holy ghost, why send a holy ghost that is already there?

Why ask the Father to send, when Jesus is the father?



When Jesus died, God and holy ghost died. right? who then raise Jesus? God is in Jesus, yet Jesus doesn't know when the end will come. impeccable!

the holy spirit dwells in them, so why send them the ghost that is already in them?



Why come to them when he is already in them?



Finally, the over a thousand disciples of Jesus are Jesus, Jehovah and holy ghost.

Oga, you are Jesus, God and holy ghost.

Why was the holy spirit sent to the already Jesuses, Gods, and holy spirits. ie his disciples.

Why does these disciples ask questions when they are God already?



The apostles have the spirit already, why come to make abode. Both Jesus, the Father, your ghost are already living in them.

Jesus is dwelling INSIDE the apostles, yet they are asking Jesus questions. theologians!



the apostles had that spirit in them, Jesus also has that spirit, the father is dwelling in the apostles and in Jesus, and the father will send Jesus,himself and the ghost? Or The Father want to overload them with Jesus, ghost, and the Father?



You are describing a force, or a breeze, not a person.

So his name is comforter, just as Jesus is comforter?

So all disciples of Jesus are equal to God, since God dwells in them?

Jesus had taught them, and now the same Jesus who is in the holy spirit who is in the disciples will come and teach them? churchoid sef!

Joh 14:15, Joh 14:16, Joh 14:17, Joh 14:18, Joh 14:19, Joh 14:20,
Joh 14:21, Joh 14:22, Joh 14:23, Joh 14:24, Joh 14:25, Joh 14:26,

You did not believe one of those 12 verses I posted, but gave rebuttal against every one of them
read your post again and see how ridiculous it is.
And so your very confused arguments against those scriptures are understandable

When the thread is created, we shall talk more there.

I won't be talking with you again
I only post to jw's and persons of other sects a couple of times

unless I forget.

JMAN05:
The bible doesn't stop there, does it? Check different parts of the bible and see how God's word interprets itself. unless you want to believe what will make you feel good. Your call!

Unlike you, when God says "I will dwell in you", I believe Him
and yes that does feel good.

Deut 26:15 shows God dwell in the heavens.

He also dwells in believers:
Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Don't you read the scriptures I post
or don't you believe them

Try reading that verse in ESV. If you like believe the KJV that said God will "walk in" you. You don become become carpet na, wey ur god go walk on. kai, Jman u don hear am!

You don't understand the poetic language of most Bibles.
Even Chrildren would understand this:
2Co_6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Liveair:
1. So moments after his siblings left, his time then came? Besides, some translations do not have the word YET. They simply read, "...I am not going...".

No, Jesus time didn't come moments after His brothers left
he didn't leave with them as He said but wen't later
there is no lie in His statment.

2. You have mixed things up!
Read from Mattew 16:27, he clearly was talking about his second coming. Transfiguration doesn't mean second coming, ok.

I am quoteing the verse which mentions appearing in His Kingdom
you have mixed things up by using words other than Jesus used
it is on what He said that he is to be Judged
not what you say He meant
he did not lie
Luk_9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

Mat 17:1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,
Mat 17:2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
Mat 17:3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

Jesus does not lie
Joh_1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Joh_1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Joh_18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
Joh 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
Joh 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
Joh 14:22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

the Father and the Son dwell in believers
the Holy Spirit is God

Joh 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
Joh 14:25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

There is the Holy Ghosts name, or one of them (the Comforter) it is even with Capital C meaning noun, meaning name or title.
Comforter is certainly a personal attribute.
Jesus said He will teach you all things.