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Pro 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Sarassin:
Not at all. You all really should get over the fact that, the verse you refer to has nothing to do with Jesus. It is simply part of the wisdom texts. And you are just playing with words.

You call quoting and accurately describing scriptures, "playing with words"

Some can see the comparison,
some cannot.

johnw74:
Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Sarassin:
Utter nonsense and charlatanry at it's very worst.

You know absolutely nothing about your religion in general or the Book of Proverbs in particular. If you did, you could not make such a brazenly false assertion. There is not even the merest of a hint of the pre-existence of Jesus in the Book of Proverbs. The central theme of the book is the dramatic personification of wisdom and folly, it is a collection of "Biblical wisdom tradition" and a codex for order. In addition huge swathes of the Book is a re-heating of the Egyptian administrative pamphlet The Instructions of Amenemopet. The verse you have manipulated does not establish the pre-existence of Jesus, it is a narrative of Wisdom.

@red,

Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

"In the beginning the LORD posessed me"
"In the beginning the Word was with God"

More than the merest of a hint.

chukwudi44:
Jealousy go soon kill you!! Did the scriptures mention anything about the Bible?

@red, Yes the scriptures, which we call the Bible, talks about itself:

2Ti 3:15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Psa 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

DeathStroke007:
Its a big shame on the followers of this stupid and fake religion. Alhamdulillah am a muslim

DeathStroke007:
We are all here to learn not to discriminate.. Matured and reasonable comments are expected..

@red
CONTRADICTION, HYPOCRISY

italo:
You're a Protestant because you use the Protestant "bible."

And you and your fellow Protestants can't agree on the truth.

Some of you eat snakes, others don't. Some drink petrol, others don't. Some have statues, others don't. Some say Jesus is God, others say he is man. Some go to Church naked, others don't. Some of your pastors teach your wives/sisters/mothers to such "anointed milk" from their pastors penis, others teach that 'anointing' will come when the pastors penetrate your wives/mothers/sisters vaginas...

...and you want to tell me about "truth."

No, I don't want to tell you anything

as to your description of protestants: even the worst Christian is better than an italo rc

but you go on continuing to pray before the statues of dead people, that's the good little girl.

orunto27:
There was no law and no moral and so no sin actually. It was all divinely planned that Eve would be known by evil and very much later Mary would be visited by Good. Man is a partner of God to make the plan to produce evil and good, death and life, darkness and light and man and God work.

@ bold, will you post verses supporting that, thanks.

italo:
And you Protestants have found the truth that the bible teaches you to eat snakes and drink Petrol in your "churches?"

Meanwhile Anglicans and some other Protestants also have statues in their "churches" like the statues in Joshua 7:6 in their bibles. Are their Bibles (KJV and others) also adulterated by Catholic tradition?

Now that Protestants have "found the truth," why are you all teaching contradictory doctrines (even those of you reading the very same version e.g King James)?

E.g one "church" say eat snakes, the other says don't. One "church" tells his female members to come naked to "church," the other says don't. One "church" says NWT is adulterated, the other says KJV and NIV are adulterated. One

Then like I said go and tell them protestants, I don't believe any of that rubbish you talk about.

So where is this truth that you claim the Catholic Church was hiding?

I gave you one example, are you blind?
go back and read my posts.[/quote]

Some churches can prevent you in experincing God by the things they teach you.
I would forget about speaking in tongues if you don't know what you are saying, and no one else knows either,
and it brings you no joy.

In a quite time, perhaps at night in bed when there are no distractions,
talk to God, not out loud but in your mind, thank Him for all He does for you,
tell Him about your problems, talk to Him like you would your very best friend,
and you should experience His presence.

orisa37:
Sin means disobey. God established it for man to know Him. In Adam, He came through Eve to test man's obedience's factor. Man disobeyed. In Job, He came directly to test Job ignoring the wife. Job regreted Life. He tolerated himself until God rescued him. In Jesus, the Son of man came to spell the way, the truth and the life out clearly for all sons of men to become Sons and Daughters of God. The Vatican hasn't said that He is not ever coming again, but that He has postponed His coming to give us more chances and better opportunities to repent and be more attuned and suitable to going back to Paradise. In other words, Earth/Heaven; Cain/Abel; disobedience/obedience; Selfishness/Righteousness; son of man/Son of God; wrong/right are all parts of thesame coin and the plan of God to make the earth a "New Jerusalem" like His Godsphere. Please remember we are His friends to know everything about Him now and not His servants anymore. Happy Sunday.

@bold, Rev_22:9 but he said to me, "You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God."

Many are not His servants, but those who believe what is written are.

italo:
You say the NWT is adulterated. Your fellow Protestants say NIV, KJV and other versions are adulterated.

So which "truth" have Protestants known that the Catholic Church was preventing you from knowing?

You should ask those protestants, I have said I don't have a problem with those two Bibles you talk about.
I believe the jw bible is adulterated, i don't believe jw's are christians. I haven't read any rcc bible so I cannot comment on that, but by the rcc unbibilical traditions perhaps your bible is adulterated too.

But I will give you one example of what the rcc have tried to prevent people from knowing:
The catholic church have tried to prevent people from knowing the Truth of being able to pray to Almighty God Himself, and they taught people to pray before statues, and to Mary the mother of Jesus instead off to God Himself, i think they still do teach that.

rcc even have statues of Joseph, Jesus's step Father in their churches, and statues of angels and so on.

Exo 20:3 "You shall have no other gods before me.
Exo 20:4 "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
Exo 20:5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me,

catholics kneel down and pray before statues, they even kneel and pray before the statues of popes, dead men.
they obviously don't believe the Bible(above verses)

dhateeboi:
may God Almighty forgive u
so God actually reproduced and begets a being?
when bible said He sent angel Gabriel
'n God begets jesus??
doesn't it sound somehow self?

You are very confused
try and understand the verses I posted
and believe them.

Jesus would have looked like many Jews of the day, as His Mother was Jewish,

Jesus appearance is described in the Bible, He looked average, not good looking:

Isa 53:2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

But in Heaven is a different matter, He looks good there:

Rev 1:13 and in the midst of the lampstands one like a son of man, clothed with a long robe and with a golden sash around his chest.
Rev 1:14 The hairs of his head were white, like white wool, like snow. His eyes were like a flame of fire,
Rev 1:15 his feet were like burnished bronze, refined in a furnace, and his voice was like the roar of many waters.
Rev 1:16 In his right hand he held seven stars, from his mouth came a sharp two-edged sword, and his face was like the sun shining in full strength.

italo:
When the Catholic Church was trying to prevent the adulteration of the Bible, protestants said they were preventing people from knowing the truth.

Now protestants are confessing that they have adulterated their 'bible.' (NIV, KJV).

@bold, I agree with those protestants.

italo:
When the Catholic Church was trying to prevent the adulteration of the Bible, protestants said they were preventing people from knowing the truth.

Now protestants are confessing that they have adulterated their 'bible.' (NIV, KJV).

The New World Translation is the only adulterated bible version that I know off,
and the so called Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christian, no matter what they say.

I for one have no problem with NIV and KJV

dhateeboi:
Luke 4:41 and Luke 9:20-21
Jesus refused son of God all called himself son of man
Either of these two must be wrong
the bible disseminating directly opposite messages, Holy?
To give clarity to the one that is most likely wrong, let me show u something.
Jesus wasn't the only son of God according to the bible
Exodus 4:22, God called all Israel my son
II Samuel 7:13-14 or I Chronicles 22:10
Jeremiah 31:9 Deuteronomy 14:1
Actually from above God has two first born
Ephraim and isreal(jacob)
Jesus wasn't even the first born
Now if bible refer to Israel as the Son of God, likewise Ephraim as the Son of God, why is it that only jesus is referred to as the Son even when he isn't the first born.

God has many sons
Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God:

Joh_1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Joh_1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Joh_3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh_3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Heb_11:17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
1Jn_4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

dhateeboi:
I should believe in Jesus being son of God when he claimed in the Bible to be son of man?

He also said He is the Son of God:

Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Joh 5:19 [color=#000000]Then answered Jesus and said unto them,[/color] Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
Joh 5:20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
Joh 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Joh 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

[color=#000000]The Angel said Jesus shall be called the Son of God:
Luk_1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.[/color]

Many Bibles are translated differently to each other
but I don't have much of a problem with any
except the New World Translation
it should be avoided at all costs

read this short article:
http://biblicalworldviewacademy.org/major-problems-with-the-new-world-translation/

Funny website, how does a fictional Jesus have a real face?



quote website:
British scientists discovered the “real” face of Jesus

READ ALSO: Jesus Christ Is Fictional

God is a Spirit
the Holy Spirit is of course God
God is God and the Word
God is the Holy Spirit
the Word is the Holy Spirit

Joh_14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

OLAADEGBU is Paul Grundy, and Anas09 is Paul Grundy, that's funny,

heck, not even Paul grundy is Paul Grundy

is Christian though.

OLAADEGBU:
Eve was directly created out of Adam while their descendants were procreated.

Yes, God made Eve from Adam(his rib), they are flesh and mortal
diffrent persons but the same spirit - the human spirit

in a similar way before creation, when all there was, was God, God bought forth the Word from Himself,
they are Spirit, and Eternal
diffrent persons but the same spirit, the Holy Spirit of God

Joh_4:24 God is a Spirit: ....

1Co 15:47 The first man(Adam) is of the earth, earthy: the second man(Jesus Christ) is the Lord(kurios-Supreme God) from heaven.

God and the Word is God
the Word is the only begotten of God
God is a Spirit
the begotten Word is God's own Spirit

I'm not sure if salvation can be lost
but I think many wrongly believe they are saved

Just saying Jesus is Lord does not save you
but doing what he say's to do, affirms your faith in Him being your Lord.

Luk_6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?

bingbagbo:
VVery funny

Tell me what is wrong with the picture?

seeing as you don't know
I'm sure you couldn't be told anything

Some people are fooling themselves
someone having the Holy spirit would know that the Father and the Son are two different persons
someone with the Holy spirit would not post this picture:
https://www.nairaland.com/2705492/bin-gbabgos-comedy-bar-enter/3#40513576

bingbagbo:
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

hmmmmmmmm must be your way of denying it,
perhaps you have a better explanation now for Mat 3:16-17
You couldn't give a worse one than you gave.



When I showed you the three persons in God, together at the same time,
these are a couple of things that you said:

bingbagbo: they are not two persons

bingbagbo: Jesus is the Father

The Son is the Father

Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when He had been baptized, went up immediately out of the water. And lo, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and lighting upon Him.
Mat 3:17 And lo, a voice from Heaven, saying, This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.


So the Father said to the Father "Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased"

No He didn't, He even called Him "Son", but you say the Son is the Father.

God is from everlasting to everlasting, meaning He has no beginning and no end:

Psa_90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.

God gave Jesus Christ revelation,
and the Lord Jesus Christ sent it to John by [size=14pt]His[/size] Angel - the Angel of the Lord Jesus Christ:

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by [size=14pt]his[/size] angel unto his servant John:

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent [size=14pt]mine[/size] angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.




The Lord Jesus Christ is the [size=14pt]Lord God[/size] of the Holy Prophets:

Rev_22:6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.





Jehovah and Jesus Christ is God:

The Angel of the Lord(God), is the Angel of the LORD(God) Jehovah, and the Angel of the Lord(God) Jesus Christ.

Zec_1:12 Then the angel of the LORD(Jehovah) answered and said, O LORD of hosts, how long wilt thou not have mercy on Jerusalem and on the cities of Judah, against which thou hast had indignation these threescore and ten years?

Rev_22:6 And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets(the Lord Jesus Christ) sent [size=14pt]his[/size] angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

^^^
The Angel of the Lord is the Angel of Jehovah, and the Angel of the Lord is the Angel of the Lord God of the Holy Prophets(Jesus Christ)

It's common sense that the fallen angels are not son's of God
it's common sense that God's Angels are son's of God

it's common sense that worldly people are not son's of God
it's common sense that Christians are son's of God.

Joh_1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Rom_8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

^^^

[size=14pt]If Jesus Is Called The Son Of God, Do You Think That Makes Him God?[/size]

Yes, like you alluded to:
the offspring of an animal is animal,
the son of a human is human,
the Son of God is God, and there is only one begotten Son of God,
the other son's of God are so called, because they obey Him.

Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

MizJanet:
Rom 8:26

" Likewise the spirit helpeth our infirmities; for we know not what we should pray for as we ought; but the Spirit Itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which can not be uttered"
AUTHORISED VERSION - KJV


Have you seen it ? U dont , look at the bolded color part again . Your bible infact the authorised version said it ! do you now admit that [size=14pt]your god is a thing[/size] ?

MizJanet:
What rubish are u blabbing ?
The christian god the holyspirit is a person , yet your god is denote with " It" , am sure u didnt do english at school , if you do you will know " ITSELF" is used for [size=14pt]a thing[/size] .

MizJanet:
Why are you sooo emotional ? Sorry , thats just one of the verses your pastorpreneur wont show you . [b]At least you now know [size=14pt]the bible prove it that your god the holyspirit is a thing[/size][\b]

It was you MizJanet who many times called the Holy Spirit "a thing", not the Bible

If I was to say "an Angel "itself" couldn't move that stone" that doesn't mean the Angel is "a thing"
we Christians know Angels are Heavenly Beings.

When one Bible version say's "the Spirit "itself" interceeds for us" that doesn't mean the Holy Spirit is a thing,
we Christians understand what is said.

Of course mizjanet doesn't have a good understanding of the English language, and no understanding off the truth, and no understanding off the Bible,
she thinks the Holy Spirit is a thing, is proof of that.

In this verse concerning the Spirit(pneuma), mizjanet say's Spirit is a thing.

Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.



In this verse concerning Father God, mizjanet won't say that Spirit(pneuma) means a thing
see what a big fat liar you are mizjanet.

Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit(pneuma): and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.