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DoctorAlien:
We can only pray the sun doesn't even get 0.01^oC hotter.

actually the sun has seen a slight decrease in temperature over the years and such miniscule difference even on the increasing tilt still is insignificant to life or even the temperature of the solar system.

appearance and disappearance of sunspots are also due to change in temperature at least in the given areas - these are insignificant rise/fall therefore do not matter neither does it affect temperature or activities in the solar system..

Yes, I know about perihelion and aphelion.

so you agree it voids that point of earth getting 1meter near or farther.

But do you realise that year after year, the earth's distance from the sun at aphelion has always been the same? And the same for perihelion?

Due to the elliptical orbit of the planetary bodies - Gravity sir....

DoctorAlien:
Assuming the sun was even 1^oC hotter than it is now, we would all be burned up. And if the sun was colder by the same difference, we would all freeze on earth.

this is untrue sir, if it was 1° hotter that'd be majorly insignificant to the temperature on earth.

Same thing is applicable if the earth was even 1 metre nearer to or further away from the sun.

The earth is not always the same distance from the sun, there are times when it is nearest and farthests from it so again this point is also untrue brother.

At the farthest point of the earth from the sun [we call aphelion], the planet is about 152million km away from the sun.

But at the closest point [Perihelion] the earth is about 47.1million km away..

the average distance of the earth and sun is 150million km.. so the earth not only gets more than 1meter near and farther away but actually millions of meters away and near at different points and time.

DoctorAlien:
I really hope this will be a highly intellectual, friendly, bereft-of-any-abusive-word discussion.

On that note, I would say that Nature was made to suit man. I say this because the earth and the solar system is impeccably suited for life. Scientific research proves that a difference, even of the minutest degree, in the condition of the earth and of the solar system, would make life impossible.

Please highlight on this smallest degrees of difference that'd ve made the solar system unhabitable...

The title of the thread is clear enough, there have been arguments back and forth on this board on the point of view that nature is precise and ordered and on the other side that it is not and a third opinion where i fall into that both order and chaos are equally represented in nature.

The very apex of creation as presented by different theological standpoints [religions] humans have is man, every religion paints a picture of a cosmos that almost seems to be centered towards man.

Now the topic of the discussion here is as the title reads.

Was nature made to accomodate man or is nature not only dangerous but indifferent of everything including man?

If yes give reasons and if No also state reasons, lets discuss on a high intellectual ground with as much friendliness and kindness one can entertain.

[N:B - To person/persons who would take any direction this thread might take personal [whether is pricks your belief or unbelief], there is a certain degree of emotional stability required when engaging in issues of public concern, it's either such a person learn some and not bring up childish personal tantrums into the field or better still ignore the thread]

I'll post my article on this topic after this thread

butterfly88:
indubitably not,he'd be like He was never a christian,,he was never guided by the holy spirit...this here is the peak of hypocrisy

exactly

annunaki2:
All it takes for a good person to renounce Islam is to objectively study the quoran and the sunnah of mohammed.

I'm wondering if you'd say this if the person above deconverted from Christianity, i'm really thinking.

Seriously would you?

Hypocrites.

hahn:
Elaborate.
No epistles please

I will brother but i'm afraid it might be long ....

winner01:
You'll need to open a thread for this cos almost all your brothers think this is the case.

Oh i wonder who else is guilty of shallow stereotyping..

Why are you sympathetic towards religion nowadays anyway
Is there something you're hiding from your brothers?

I'm not being sympathetic towards religion, i say things as i see them... There is no big ish here..

hahn:
Only kids still believe in god.
Or psychos

I completely disagree

sekundosekundo:
god or God?

dog or Dog?

EHMIR:
God really love dis contiri.

Nu hurricane,no tsunami,no earthquake nd all that.

We should be grateful other than lament everyday nd not blame d next person for our shortcomings

And hate other countries these things happen right?

tiri gbosaa for you baba

lordnicklaus please i beg you, ignore the guy above.... i'll get back to your post soon

sonofluc1fer:
Good news. Time to wake up from the Jesus scam.

and go back to our own heritage

lordnicklaus:
What johnydon22 is saying is that you should consider older religions like that of Sumer (Chaldea) and Egypt. So your thread should be titled something like "Which one introduced God - Enuma Elish or Human thought?"

Don't mind these new set of Ignorant atheists who are so eager to lash out o. religion and God from a very naive point of view and are just as many theists hostile to correction.

In their tiny mind they seem to be under the impression that "Religion" is only referring to Abrahamism and "God" is only referring to Yahweh..

lordnicklaus:
One thing to note is that for we to believe in the idea of an eternal bliss in heaven, we would also have to believe in the destruction of the earth which is totally against bible teaching. The earth would only undergo a reformation. So, there are odds of everyone going to a place in the sky, though only a selected few will while the rest would enjoy bliss in earthly paradise.

This is quite similar to Jehovah witness doctrine on this, so you do not also think there is an actual heaven for human souls only a selected few.

144,000 from the tribes of Israel to be precise?

Do you then hold a transcention into earthly paradise by resurrection and not a continious transcension of a spirit from a body?

Copies of biblical text were subject to additions by frauds who see the bible as not agreeing with their doctrine and so, they have to make it so. But with the discovery of older extant manuscripts, we are able to know what was originally not part of the text. For example, the event of the adulteress encountering Jesus was not originally a part of John's gospel but was a later addition to the text and so is Mark 16:9-20.

Just like Mary Magdalene being recognized as a prostitute was also a later addition - Hhmmm curious.

But the fact remains that these texts are found in the bible today, almost half of the epistles attributed to Paul has been found to be pious fraud rather, does this void their authority in the biblical canoon and doctrinal matters?

As a matter of fact most books in the New Testament are anonymous, some even claimed a false authorship like the revelation, does this void their usefulness in the theological foundation of Christianity or does it affect their usage in doctrinal issues?

People have tried to make sure the bible supports their doctrine when it was at odds with them. Now as regards Revelations, the beast is not a person but a confluence of world empires and so being thrown into the lake of fire in presence of the Lamb means total inexistence for as long as the Lamb rules.

Some interpretation of the Beast also recognize it as Emperors which gave credence to the code text the author used in encouraging Christians of that time who were under persecution from Emperor Demitia to be stead fast in their convictions and not fall for the whims of the beast.

The verse i quoted stated in the beginning

" And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man
worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in
his hand."

This spells it out the punishment for the "person" who recieves the mark of the beast not the beast itself.

lordnicklaus:
Exactly what I am totally trying to point out. The portion of Mark you quoted was actually a later addition which was not found in the oldest manuscript of Mark…
The scribe who added it was probably influenced by Greek philosophy.

Even in Revelations in which addition was prohibited, we can also see traces of additions and interpolations by considering different Bible translations.

The catholic church recognize this as Pius fraud, doesn't this make the bible more of a fraudulent book than one containing truth?

Remember, I said Revelations is metaphorical, the beast is therefore symbolic of world powers and being thrown into the lake of fire burning with brimstone is also symbolic of non-existence or death-like inactivity. The torment is not a literal torment but a symbolic one.

The symbolic nature of the apocrypha is almost self explanatory, when ever you see "the lamb" it is talking about Jesus and so it goes.

Then the explanations to these apocryphal language is where i think your generalization emerges, the verses is almost sel explanatory.

and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up forever and ever:

it is highly unlikely that the lamb and his angels will be watching the inexistence of those with the mark of the beast forever - that completely rules out the idea o inexistence in the contex of that verses..

You'll have to severe the verse from it's originl intent if you aim to derive a different symbolical meaning from it's contents.

Even the story of the rich man and Lazarus is a parable and I recall Jesus said in a verse "That which I tell you, I have told you in figurative language". Scribes who adhered to the debasing concept of Tartarus have tried to reconcile Greek culture with Judaic philosophy and thus, you can see a taint of the rather debasing, appaling and horrendous concept of a confine for subjection to infernal punishment for earthly wrongs. And the teachers of the Christian sacred text readily regurgitate such philosophy to get the masses to behave and infact it has proven quite effective than the promise of eternal bliss.

The New Testament was heavily influenced by Greek culture, philosophy and language - in act it was written in Greek, so if the argument is based on Greek influence on the addition of hell that is correct but whether this addition of hell to Yahweic Character is biblical it sorely is.

If you try to void this and maintain hell is allegorical then automatically heaven becomes so too because as we always see both are always used side by side.

If this is so then biblically as you are interpreting "there is no hell neither is there an actual heaven" [this murders the very foundation of Christian theology..]

And if we then take this meaning as you'd employ then hell fire means eternal inexistence while heaven means eternal existence [no matter the condition or place].i doubt if this is the context of these biblical constructs.

Divinerace:
atheist must have a an explanations to evrything, and they are the most confused ppl we have.

Seems you are all just over paranoid about atheist, insecure and obsessed.... MzMyColi just told her story and observation and automatically you have assumed she is an atheist.

How many atheists pray to guidian angels? she is is not an atheist and this shows you are really the confused one.

Atheist are not confused, you are just intimidated by them, you fuck_ing admire their guts - and hate the fact that they shove your ridiculous superstitions back to your face.

akintom:
Before the book genesis was ever written by Moses, human beings have had relationships with God/gods.

Moses was over a thousand years from Adam, Noah and Abraham, is it the mouth to mouth story told Moses about these folks that he wrote as Bible or God dictated the story to him?

Adam, Noah and Abraham related with God via their thoughts (no Bible then). These folks had relationships with God without bible. How come the Bible dictates God and how you relate with God now?

Religious folks, how shall you relate with God now ?

Through your thoughts or Bible.

The prevalent thoughts in the environment of your birth on the existence of God introduced the idea of god to you, you only used the bible to confirm your induced God ideas.

the bible is a young book, if you want to go back to old Gods start from sumer and egypt and hindu gods.

That is where the shows began.. Learn more before rushing off to post.

Abrahamism is not the totality or beginning of religion or God(s)

juicydiceyjoe:
Yeah, sure. Thanks.

I still consider porn immoral.. what it does to the mind.. what is involved in making it up.. forced sex, sex prostitution, the deceit, underage etc.

Watching porn creates a demand and were there is a demand there will always be a supply so if there is demand for young Asian women, more of such women will be trafficked into it.

So my action in my little home may have a ripple effect somewhere in the world and it's not all 'what one does in his bedroom does not affect you'.

Masturbation may just be the lesser of the two evils when it goes hand in hand with porn.

we are not here to help you determine what you find right or wrong - we gave our opinions as asked.

I love it... its time we shared our own culture and traditions with the rest of the world and not always be the waste bin where every culture and religion gets dumped on.

Anas09:
You bet.

Ok now back to earth...

Anas09:
If i die before you, i will make sure to wait for you on the other side.

Alright then i'll see you on the otherside then baby

Anas09:
Enjoy. Its a matter of time. I wish to know you till you die. And when i say this, i mean it.

Just stick around then - it's going to be a long ride babe... Just don't die before me ok?

Anas09:
ClassicB, come and get Johnydon22, he is against your Chicken
The Babe want chop my head off as l laf her cock.

You know me - i'm up to cut down lunas anytime..

Anas09:
You already got his Recharge Card.

i will grab another one if it comes there is no big deal..... I'm good friends with you, we talk on phone and chat often and possibly might see soon..

and i think of you as a good close friend..

does this make me a co-worshipper of Yahweh with you?

Anas09:
Johnydon22 do you secretly worship eturm with this kid?
He is calling out the rebels to help him out. Hahahahahahaha. Apples fall close to Apple trees.

lmao no be small etum, every God(s) is just too vague to deserve my worship, i only worship real things like my parents, siblings and girl friend/wife not some nothingness that humans speak and fight for... both etum and yahweh i hold in the same category, just bunch of human constructs... let both of em come get me some beer...

Goddys:
dirtiest yet Holy Spirit dwells and work wonders in their midst? Can you hear yourself? you need to be delivered.If you know the level of anointing in that apron you called moronic, you would be weeping for forgiveness by now. I decree that you shall have an encounter that shall bring you to Chosen in Jesus Name. CHOSEN IS BLESSED!

Chief in the gathering of mad people, you be correct chairman.. i commot cap for you for real.

eyidaythedon:
No one could be mre precise in showing the illogicalities, stupidity and the building of false hope in people than the Genius Marx and his predecessor Fewerbach. Read the essence of christianity by Ludwig A. Fewerbach for more clarity on the illogicalities of religion.

Fela our very own did a lot of justice to that - I always play this music "Suffering and smiling"

here are the lyrics read and digest..

Africans, please listen to me as Africans
And you non- Africans, listen to me with open mind
Suffer , suffer , suffer , suffer , suffer
Suffer for world
Na your fault be that
Me I say : na your fault be that
I want you all to please take your minds
Out of this musical contraption
And put your minds into any goddamn church
Any goddamn mosque
Any goddamn Celestical
Including Seraphoom and Cheruboom
Now, we are all there now
Our minds are in those places
Here we go

[Chorus ]
Amen !

Suffer , suffer for world
Enjoy for Heaven
Christians go dey yab
" In Spiritum Heavinus "
Muslims go dey call
" Allahu Akbar"
Open you eye everywhere
Archbishop na miliki
Pope na enjoyment
Imam na gbaladun

[Chorus ]

Archbishop dey enjoy
Pope self dey enjoy
Imam self dey enjoy
My brother wetin you say ?
My brother wetin you say ?
My sister wetin you go hear ?
My sister wetin you go hear ?
Archbishop dey for London
Pope dey for Rome
Imam dey for Mecca
Archbishop dey for London
Pope dey for Rome
Imam dey for Mecca

[Chorus ]
Amen !

My people them go dey follow Bishop
Them go follow Pope
Them go follow Imam
Them go go for London
Them go go for Rome
Them go go for Mecca
Them go carry all the money
Them go juba Bishop
Juba Pope
Juba Imam
Then them go start to yab themselves :
[Fela starts chanting in mock- Latin /Arabic]

Goddys:
As I decree on you,so shall it be! That spirit in you must be taken out!

Here goes the psycho... Chai nawa oo ... hahahahahaha ok you win the spirit is out...

As a matter of honesty, it's folks like you that go about the internet making statements like the one above that makes christianity look like mental derangement..

Goddys:
dirtiest yet Holy Spirit dwells and work wonders in their midst? Can you hear yourself? you need to be delivered. CHOSEN IS BLESSED!

Quote me next time and collect the middle finger.... I'm not on your level to talk crap..

i'm simply awe-struck by the imbecility of muslim belief... it's stupendous..

So GOD'S calling now also require license? Oh the business is lit.. Habaaa Christianity SMH