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xendra:
why are atheist bothered what attributes a God they say doesn't exist possess??

This has nothing to do with atheist neither does it have to do with any of them being bothered.

I'm not in the least bothered, just wondering the reason why the Christians that quoted me [their posts above] were disturbed?

So this concerns me cus i just made my comment and they mentioned me to rant - so i'm now asking why they find it disturbing..

Maybe you didn't read the OP, You may try and do so

sekundosekundo:
EVEN IF THERE'S NO GOD, I WILL WORSHIP GOD. I cannot be deceived by any Atheist again.

This is not about whether there are God(s) or not - read the OP to grab the issue at hand.

Why are Christians disturbed by the attributes Yahweh possess?

nawa oo

I made a comment on a front page thread

https://www.nairaland.com/3368022/why-does-god-create-people#49627369

johnydon22:
The jewish tribal deity yahweh loves the smell of burnt flesh, it is pleasing to him - why should it come as a surprise to you that it plans to set up an eternal barbecue of burning flesh for his own lustful insatiable pleasure and need for burnt flesh.

And i got a bombardment of quotes the next time i logged in from Christians who were obviously offended by my post and some even implying that my post was insultive and blasphemous against God [Judeo/Christian]

chysam:
Before you go astray,the Judaism god doesn't believe in hellfire. It is the Christian god that boast of hellfire through the hellinists. Please google the "hellenists" and get educated further.

This particularly interesting one is distancing the Christian yahweh from the original Judaic Yahweh due to obvious reasons of distinct attributes and almost unreconcilable personalities of the deity.


Here are the other replies

Xflint:
mind the way talk before God strikes u down. However, may God have mercy on u

pedmet:
......You just spoke carelessly about your creator,the one that's holds your LIFE..... Where is common sense in you?..... You seriously need deliverance.

yeyeboi:
May GOD forgive u

Worthy mentions

fyneboi79:
I also ask them in laymans english;How many earthly fathers look up to judging theirs childrens sins and casting away some of their children into eternal damnation one day? It doesn't make any sense,Instead,He should keep loving all his children the same. So what kind of father is the Christian God? Partial to sufferings of his people or powerless against the forces of evil?

emmkeffs:
you are on point

Ok now down to the point -

I'm confused on why the post irked some nerves, i'm confused how the comment was an insult to the Christian deity because anybody who knows Christianity, Yahweh or the bible even in a fundamental sense knows the post is just an explicit truth about the Character.

What part of my post was incorrect or insultive.

That the Christian God loves smell of burnt flesh or That it has a hell to burn people for eternity?

Let us check!!

That Judeo/Christian God love the smell of burnt flesh?

This is a biblical truth, it constitutes the very fabrics of the Judeo religious rituals and tradition.

Genesis 8:20
Then Noah built an altar to the LORD and, taking some of all the clean
animals and clean birds, he sacrificed burnt offerings on it. The LORD
smelled the pleasing aroma…

Exodus 29: 22 -25
“Take from this ram the fat, the fat tail, the fat around the inner parts, the
covering of the liver, both kidneys with the fat on them, and the right thigh.
(This is the ram for the ordination.) From the basket of bread made
without yeast, which is before the LORD, take a loaf, and a cake made with
oil, and a wafer. Put all these in the hands of Aaron and his sons and
wave them before the LORD as a wave offering. Then take them from their
hands and burn them on the altar along with the burnt offering for a pleasing
aroma to the LORD, an offering made to the LORD by fire.

Verse 40
to the LORD, an offering made to the LORD by fire.
With the first lamb offer a tenth of an ephah of fine flour mixed with a
quarter of a hin of oil from pressed olives, and a quarter of a hin of wine as a
drink offering. Sacrifice the other lamb at twilight with the same grain
offering and its drink offering as in the morning—a pleasing aroma , an
offering made to the LORD by fire.

There are tons of other biblical references pointing to this fact - The Judeo/Christian Deity Loves the smell of burnt of flesh

So as it has been shown - This was not an insult from my post but a biblical fact. i wonder why people were disturbed by it.

Jumping to the next point of my post

" why should it come as a surprise to you that it plans to set up an eternal barbacue of burning flesh for his own lustful insatiable pleasure and need for burnt flesh."

Eternal Barbecue

It is a gospel truth that the christian God has a hell [Lake of fire for sinners and unbelievers] (The Judaic Yahweh had no mention or reference to that - as the character of Yahweh goes, hell became part of it's scheme immediately after it was Christianized)

here are some verses from the bible

Rev 21:8
But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually
immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they
will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second
death.”

Matt 13:50
and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping
and gnashing of teeth.

To mention but a few and also right here on NL we get countless threads from Christians reminding others of how hell is waiting for them.

Now as i have supported my comment on the Judeo/Christian deity with biblical verses which is exactly the religious book from whence the character is portrayed.

Why then were these Christians disturbed, they read this everyday in the bible, hear it every sunday in church, or on daily basis in the street, buses and even say these things on NL without twitching but if someone makes an exact comment in a very explicit manner they get offended?

Maybe there are things in these attributes that are disturbing, maybe they find these attributes distasteful - there is no more reasonable explanation than this.

How exactly are the attributes of Yahweh as the bible and Christians imply an insult to Yahweh when i say it?

If you get offended when someone mentions the fundamental attributes of your God concept, then maybe there is something wrong with your concept of God..

You either modify these disturbing attributes or live with that bitter truth and continue a gross reverence for complete abhorence.

BodyKiss:
How I wish you guys should stop giving that overgrown baby the attention he so much craves for. He's one of the most deluded people on here. Responding to any of his post, to me is just a big waste of precious time.

I guess they've got a lot of time to spare

I have no interest in empty irrelevant stuffs like this - You guys should stop mentioning me on things like this please..

RobinHez:
Lemme help you.

By logic, DNA, which is a unit of life, was a product consistent gradual evolution/mutation over a long period of time.... this fact holds true until you can prove otherwise.

Now this is more like it.

N.B: I advice any atheist, agnostic to ignore this thread, there isn't much to grab here except childish trolling.

Anybody who now wants attention on NL just need to open a thread with "atheist/atheism" when we start ignoring such nonsense, those who desperately seek our attention to feel relevant will find a better hobby.

urheme:

African traditional religion.

filt......filty

and that is not man's construction as well abi

you want to turn our children to barbarians.

I'm just tired on how you guys understand very simple thing and always arrogantly speak from a naive view.

Have decided to start ignoring quotes like this

lordnicklaus:
Firstly, thank you for joining @ johnydon22.

If the complex universe started as a simple one, then it means complexity is at a continuum and what we see as complex today will become even more complex in the future.

Yes and as we see everything is in continious evolution - the stars of today are entirely different from that of few billion years ago, the universe is taking a consistent step of complexity which may probably lead to it's doom

Random and unbridled events would have to follow a mathematical law on their own to write entirely new laws governing the newly created multiverse.

If there are in fact Multiverses then the laws of physics [Due to the physical involved] almost certainly will be different from what you are used.

Even at a Quatum scale, the laws of macro physics breaks down..

"If this lettuce, carbage, salad, milk has been floating randomly floating eternally in a vast space, could they have been a chance that they would quite by chance meet and salad is made?"

This was a question asked by Johanees Kepler as he relished the plate of Salad his wife made.

"Yes" His wife answered him " but not one as good as mine

This question of Keplers is vital to deduction of cosmological or even biological evolution, there is bound to be a reaction and once there is an effect must follow, a chain of these causalities leads to a patten, observing these patterns we dub them Laws - it doesn't have to be guided, doesn't need to be planned, in fact it's uncharted nature is the key factor to it's manifestion.

99.9% of this entire universe is very hostile to organic compounds necessary for life, that is a very sour salad i doubt kepler's wife would have made except it was on the other side of the coin a product of unguided evolution.

Now here is a Keplerian question - "If Hydrogen atoms has been floating for a very long period of time, is there a chance that they'd jam at a point and Helium atom is made?"

I'm sure you would agree with me that that is a "Yes"

Isn't that a step of complexity?

That is exactly the cosmological evolution as our cosmology reveals it - lets us paint a clearer picture.

A universe of sorely Hydrogen is a very simple universe, the simplest universe of elemental means and if these hydrogen atoms can jam at a point and bond [become more intricate] we call these atoms helium, haven't the universe become more complex?

Because what used to be simply a universe of hydrogen is now a universe of hydrogen and helium, and because Helium atoms are present in this complex but yet simple universe, cant they at random uncharted dance meet and heavier elements are born?

Chain- like causalities leads to a pattern, identical causality creates identical effects - it is in this causalities that we can deduct the behaviourial tendencies of the values involved.

Mathematics is our representation of patterns, it is our binary infusion of numerical patterns in order to predict the behaviourial tendencies or resulting effect of the values.

So Mathematics is a child of pattern and as we have seen Patterns are almost certainly effects of random but consistent causalities and not necessarily a mathematician.

The mathematics we use to quantify our observations of the cosmos is in coincide with the consistency of the values involved.

On a sea shore observing sea waves, you can calculate the intervals of the sea waves and tender a law [Laws are basically our duductions of how certain natural values act] - That this sea waves rise at every 50seconds interval - you have mathematically represented this observed phenomenon, but because you yourself applied mathematics as a tool does not necessarily imply a mathematician behind this phenomenon [I'm not entirely voiding this] but rather that observation only as a matter of certainty confirms the consistency of these chains of causalities.

Here is my problem with the ideas of theism - in terms of cosmological deductions, it tends to only scratch the surface of the question, insert "God, supreme being, divine causer" etc and that is it.

Kepler once remarked after his invocation of a divine Geometer for cosmologica complexity was shattered through observations and empirical datas

" The facts of nature which i rejected, subtly came through the back door to be accepted. Oh what a foolish bird i have been"

Take for example "The mathematician or divine Geometer of Kepler, This mathematician as an entity is it unmathematical?, is it a disordered manifestation? - it is highly ridiculous in this "thought experiment" that this assumed mathematician is a disorderd chalk wielder, that one ability of mathematical incitation makes it cartainly an ordered "value"

So how can this also ordered mathematician not require another mathematician behind it's own manifestation.

This has always been where Theism fails - special pleading, it aims to exempt it's answer from tolling the same line of enquiry.

If this mathematician does not require another mathematician then why are we looking for for a mathematician to explain our deductions of natural patterns?

Just like Kepler said "Geometry existed before creation, it provided God the model for creation, it existed with the mind of God, Geometry is God himself"

If Geometry existed eternally then isn't a geometrical universe prone to the same attributes of Geomtry - Why then invoke a Geometer who also even though agreed to be Geometrical needs to be exempted from another Geometer for it's own causality.

This has always been the "Big fail" of theistic invocation of "God" applying special pleading for it, employing emotions and not honest enquiry for the sake of knowing.

[The universe does not necessarily require something infinite to be caused, there is in fact always a space for +1 in infinity]

You said lordnicklaus The cosmos was caused by something quite incomprehensible

I beg to completely disagree with that notion, that is detrimental to enquiry and leaves room to only assumptions which is the platform of which theistic stance operates on.

Just like you did, first assume the question is unanswerable then any basically rational answer you can assume becomes sufficient.

No my brother, the universe was not caused by something uncomprehensible, we only do not know for sure.

That you do not know something doesn't make it uncomprehensible, that you don't know yet means you do not know yet not that the subject is unknowable - If man continued to think like that, they are many things we know now that we would never have bothered to know since we could simply assert any mystery to be uncomprehensible.

The cosmological causality or chains of causalities may yet be a Mystery to us but do not forget that 'Mysteries are just things waiting to be known.

So let us not cower in the face of the unknown and fill our dark mind with any assumption that comes to mind.

Superstition [is] cowardice in the face of the Divine,’ wrote Theophrastus, who lived during the founding of the Library of Alexandria.

And the divine is merely the awe of mysteries in the causes of the effects man witnesses, we always employ superstition only at that juncture where we loose the thread of our natural explanation, we terminate our research and ascribe it to our Gods.

Every aspect of Nature reveals a deep mystery and touches our sense of wonder and awe. Theophrastus was right. Those afraid of the universe as it really is, those who pretend to nonexistent knowledge and envision a Cosmos centered on human beings will prefer the fleeting comforts of superstition. They avoid rather than confront the world. But those with the courage to explore the weave and structure of the Cosmos, even where it differs i believe possess a better mind tool.

hahn:
Did you read the article?

Nope just saw yours ... Oopps

Nigerian schools should rather teach the "African traditional religions and history" Satan is another Abrahamic construct and i think we have had enough of Abrahamism for a change.

reallest:
So u fan dat useless club?

Not even a football fan

You don't need to join an association to be a humanist - i'm a humanist, do not require an association.

yeyeboi:
May GOD Almighty forgive u

LOL

sonofluc1fer:
Empty retort.

I'm quite sure like **** Kingebukasblog, you know absolutely nothing about the Continent you live on. You know no African philosophy, or Gods, yet you can comfortably recite Jesus ancestors from David's line.

You have an African body but a foreign mind. Your God resides in Israel, likes Mount Horeb and you fervently wait and hope for a new Jerusalem. Are you African in skin or thought? The Bible you believe in wasn't written by yo, for you or to you. If it were, Romans 2:9 would be Igbo 2:9, 1 Corinthians would be 1 Yoruba...

So who is the alien? ****whose only claim to being African is genetic, whose mind has been so polluted he sees the crucifixion of a mere carpenter in the cross as salvation for his own misdemeanors. The one who proudly professes to be a Gentile, who denies his own history and people so he may suck at the bosom of Abraham?.

****

Wow!!!

kowalsky:
Hehe. That fone is totally useless without the screen.

I go manage am like that

yeyeboi:
May GOD forgive u

Wow please what part of my post is wrong and insultive and i will show where it is in the bible and a thousand and one place where you christians say it.. Maybe you guys need to change the attributes of your god concept to a less disturbing so that you lot wont be finding it disturbing when someone says it out loud.

Tell me your god doesn't

-Love burnt flesh?
-or have a hell?

If it does then is it going to forgive me for saying the truth?

fyneboi79:
I also ask them in laymans english;How many earthly fathers look up to judging theirs childrens sins and casting away some of their children into eternal damnation one day? It doesn't make any sense,Instead,He should keep loving all his children the same. So what kind of father is the Christian God? Partial to sufferings of his people or powerless against the forces of evil?

It's simply barbaric - anyone who understands what love is about cannot be a christian neither can that person use "LOVE" and "Christian God" in the same sentence. they are both incompatible in definition and attributes.

pedmet:
......You just spoke carelessly about your creator,the one that's holds your LIFE..... Where is common sense in you?..... You seriously need deliverance.

Seems like saying out the fundamental attributes of the Christian god is an insult to it then surely maybe something is wrong with these fundamental attributes - There is nothing i wrote up there that you Christian and the bible didn't say.

Xflint:
mind the way talk before God strikes u down. However, may God have mercy on u

Lmao... Striker!!!

UrennaNkoli:
We really need zouma back while Alonso is played left and azpilicueta shuffled to the right. Mikel should replace matic henceforth.

As for this game, it will end 3-2 in favour of Chelsea. Nor be arsenal?.

Bro how market ??

Na 3-0 las las oo ayam dead....

felixomor:
Perturbed by the plagiarism with change of topic labelled as "freethinking".
U should be too, honestly

By plagiarism you mean Copy and Paste?

felixomor:
Another one. .......thank u Lord.

You seem really perturbed by this thread

kowalsky:
57k here.
For my gs6. Just kept the phone somewhere. Id rather buy a new gs7 than repair it

Dash me naa i go use am like that . . . Make i abandon tecno for once na

I don't even understand the motive behind this new trend these days

"From atheism to christian" "from Christian to atheism"

And so f__cking what?

How does it concern us if anybody goes from Christian to islam, islam to atheist, atheist to Christian..

Don't really get the big deal in these whole propanganda

Sveen:
god loves you, worship him or be subjected to eternal hell? Do you have any idea of how ridiculous that sounds?

What is a god? A creator that has no creator, whom demands to be worships by some species of he's creation(human), any human who does otherwise will be subjected to hell fire. Such a loving god!

Outright cheap blackmail and abuse

https://www.nairaland.com/3056037/salvation-abusive-blackmail

Abrahamic religions abuse their adherents in every pscychological way possible then mandate them that it is a divine charge and obligation to defend this abuse

shadeyinka:
Sorry bro!
Is this a new religious book?

Nope breaking science for the lay people with a butter of philosophy and ancient myths for maximum entertainment.

The jewish tribal deity yahweh loves the smell of burnt flesh, it is pleasing to him - why should it come as a surprise to you that it plans to set up an eternal barbacue of burning flesh for his own lustful insatiable pleasure and need for burnt flesh.

shadeyinka:
The OP johnydon22

You quoted lordnicklaus so i was a bit confused!!!

360ng:
Repent or you will regret in hell. Jesus loves you, its not too late to come to him. Repent Now or you will regret it in hell. The decision is yours. Revelation 21:8

We thank you for your concern for us not going to hell but now i must ask you, how can you possibly worship a god who has an eternal burning place where be is going burn the people you care about forever, talk more of billions of others simply because of "belief"

It is saddistic, barbaric, disturbing, monstrous, wicked and evil, i cannot bring myself to such animalistic level and revere such evil and it grieves me that you can.

Though i think your continuous stay in the system is because you fear hell- you are worshipping nothing but your own fear.

Even if heaven and hell are real, it is not even an easy choice cus i cannot imagine myself being in paradise while billions burn forever in a giant fire, that itself will be hell for me.

In as much as it is your decision to give an armed robber your money or not, if you refuse he will shoot you.

god is as innocent of throwing you in hell as much as the armed robber is for shooting you - your decision killed you not the armed robber, yes?

shadeyinka:
I am sure you wonder where I have been. OK !
I read your posts..an attempt to mix scientific and philosophical thougths packaged in a proselike scripture like manner.

LOL! I was thinking if this was going to be the official atheist scripture LOL.

Hm, what can I say, you have putba lot of thought behind the writeup even if I don't accept the premise or its conclusion.

Let me still watch the comments of others.

Nice work though, are you publishing this?

Are you referring to lordnicklaus or johnydon22?