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One of the dirtiest and lunatic sect i have seen in Christiandom and oh that Apron is mor0nic, loose it.

Hypocrisy in Christiandom never ceases to amaze me, they'd chastise Catholics for wearing sacramentals, crosses and stuff then turn around and wear green crusade aprons.

@juicydiceyjoe i hope you have digested our opinions you asked over this?

lordnicklaus:
Whatever! Just scram out of my thread for the last time and I promise you in God's name that if you post one more thing again, I will click the report link.

Just ignore and focus on our debate bro..

lordnicklaus:
The said reference to hell in the bible are actually additions by editors for reasons best known to them. While the book of Revelations is filled with weird symbols which are not to be taken literally.

To this i agree, one of the last books to be added to the cannon from an anonymous authour who borrowed the apocryptic style of Daniel to warn the christians of his time of Emperor Demitia he code named 666 [Christians were under heavy persecution from emperor Demitia] and also portray a happy ending after the trial and hedious punishment for the persecutors and those who fall out of faith from their influence.

Metaphorism or poetry is a concrete part of prophecy.

Which makes it vague and ambigious - anyone can actually do it ..

I can in fact borror the argument of Thomas Paine [Age of Reason] and argue that prophecy means exactly a different thing in biblical terms [As songs, poems, music] from how it is used today...

Revelation does not reveal eternal torture but rather a final condemnation or a state of eternal non-existence. The Lake of fire is interpreted by this prophetic text itself as being "the second death". In the text, the only people thrown are those whose names are not found in "the book of life", hence are not worthy of life but will be blotted out of existence by "the second death". In the Greek New Testament, the word translated as "hell" is a word of Semitic origin. The word is "gehenna" which is the Aramaic form of the Hebrew "gehhinnom" and which means "valley of Hinnom". According to the Jews, dead bodies that are thrown into Gehenna are not worthy of resurrection, hence Jesus used "gehenna" to refer to non-existence or total death.
Besides, Yahweh once told Jeremiah,
"They did build the high grounds of Tophet which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to pass their sons and daughters in the fire, something I never commanded neither did it come into my heart" - Jeremiah 7:31.

One mistake Christians make is failing to compare each portions of the Bible. The Jews passed their children in fire and Yahweh never commanded such and so, He is clearly against cremation or eternal punishment by fire.

You see just like i pointed out - in order to take Hell out of Yahweh's character you must first severe NT [Christian] yahweh from OT[Judaic] yahweh but clearly are almost unrecognizable.

Like you rightly pointed out, Christians always ignore the old testament in many doctrinal matters - that is why Christianity ended up creating a totally different deity from the Judaic [old testament] Yahweh.

They hoped to make the deity less primitive and savagery as seen in the old testament but by putting [Hell] in the spice they ended up making a far more disturbing character.

Let me continue to show how [hell fire] of eternal punishment is totally biblical [At least New Testamnt Biblical] - let me take you to the book of Luke..

The parable of Lazarus and the rich man, Jesus painted a picture of a punishment of sins by fire and a reward at Abraham's bossom Luke 16 :19–31

Let us now pay a visit to the book of Relevation

(Revelation 14:9-11).
And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man
worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his
hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out
without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name"

Pay very close attention to the red part, not only are they going to be punished by fire but it will be forever, in fact Jesus and the angels are apparently going to be watching the eternal horror show..

Even the supposedly meek and humanitarian Jesus also often laid out explicit punishment plans for those who loose out of his earthly ministry.

(Mark 9:43-48).
And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life
maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be
quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched .

And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched .

And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched "

You see even here Jesus not only referred to hell as a place of fire, he also affirmed the eternal nature of it's flames and even added some extra twists for maximum horror effect [worms]..

Jesus wasn't so meek, humble and kind after all . . LOL..

Pardon - so brother, it is still very clear that place of eternal torture is like a butter in the very bread of not only Christianity, it's deity but the bible [New Testament] - therefore my brother with the above points up there, it is safe to say that Hell is Biblical.

lordnicklaus:
I just want to show how the Bible doesn't vouch for eternal cremation or roasting.
The book or Revelation has been taken out of context and so has the Bible teachings as regards the afterlife. Now, other Christians support this erroneous teaching by quoting Mark 7:43-48 which was a later addition to the text of Mark. I will like you to table the verses you see as supporting the abhorrent concept and I would show how it is not.

One thing is certain here and that is "You as a person find the very idea of hell repulsive and disturbing"

But let's be honest here the bible explicitly mentions a place of eternal punishment, you may try to rationalize these potions of the bible with your own interpretations [which is exactly the reason why we have almost 40,000 sects in Christianity]

Men always trying to dilute the very extreme measures of the bible with their own reason and opinion which gives rise to distinct interpretations for one potion of the bible.

Because we know if Christians were not subtle as to dump literal followership of the bible, they'd be more dangerous and extreme than muslims - but to this Saint Augustine once bemoaned.

"Anyman that believes a part of the scripture and reject the others, do not believe the scripture but himself"

The place of burning torment as a punishment for transgressors [Lake of fire, hell fire] is an intricate part of both the bible [NT] and the fundamental Christian doctrine..

You may argue that it never was part of the attributes of Yahweh as a Judaic deity and that'd be correct but as a Christian Deity, hell fire is a very intrinsic parcel of yahweh.

Demigods666:
Stfu if you know nothing. Don't bring your useless African esoteric beliefs to me.

Satan is fictions yet we see him physically, because fiction is now real now ba? Mtchw, gtfo my mention.

Prove it or go fuc_k yourself.... Hyprocrisy is when you chastise christians for serving a fictitious yahweh but yet serve a fictitious satan from the same Judeo source as Yahweh..

Prove your satan - not too much talk..

Morality is a human construct for the human society and thus has human definition - to me a moral action is an action that decreases individual or societal suffering and also improves societal well being, equality, freedom, justice and continuity.

An immoral action to me is one that increases individual or societal suffering and is detrimental to societal well being, equality, freedom, justice or continuity..

So if you tell me how masturbation fits into the definition above then i'll tell you how wrong it is..

Eating is not wrong cus you feel hungry, scratching an itch is not, why then would someone massaging their own D/V when they feel aroused wrong or concerns you?

Demigods666:
Note:
Yahweh is not Satan.

The Jewish fiction god and are two different entity, Satan is real and comes physically to his people, he is the leader of the empire of the top Nordic Gods where as Yahweh is just a useless powerless entity who wants to enslave humanity by having humans worship him like slaves they are not while reaping energy off them, the Jewish torah, copy that.

Baba both satan and yahweh are Abrahamic constructs and are both not only parallel part of the story but equally fictitious ... stop the bullshiit..

Lordnicklaus please open the ground clearly for our discussion - on what premis is our debate based?

lordnicklaus:
Yggdrassil connects the nine worlds including hell, I do not know the Norse version of Hell, so I rather picked Yggdrassil. Also, please do not quote me or I wouldn't hesistate to click the report link cause this thread is meant for only me and johnydon22 to discuss.

Helheimr is the Norse underworld from whence the English word "Hell" is derived..

otemanuduno:
I dare yahweh to disrupt this network so that I won't be able to post again
Goddys if you know that your god is richer than Eartum, post one valid recharge card here and let's see.

MTN : 3850 9484 2937 7028

I've got this one ... Thank yo takwasi nk yo

I'm here lordnicklaus... lets get it on

juicydiceyjoe:
Just curious, given you have an attractive lady who is willing to go down with you; What will stop you from doing it?

I do not see anything wrong in premarital sex between two consenting adults [none is hurting anybody, it is enjoyable to both.]

I have only turned down such advances sorely on the ground that i choose not to do it at that point or with the woman in question.

Nothing stops an atheist from premarital sex except he chooses not to sorely because he does not want to and no other reason.

knightling3:
agnosticism is the view that human reason is still incapable of providing sufficient rational grounds to justify either the belief that God exists or the belief that God does not exist.can you atleast be an agnostic,atheism to me relies on group thinking,so u ridiculing religious beliefs is like the case of a "pot calling the kettle black"

Agnosticism more so is the position that the eventuality of god(s) is unknown either in principle or in fact ..

I'm an agnostic alright but going by that definition it also means that an agnostic do not buy the claims of God(s) abound and that broadly makes agnosticism a diluted atheism.

So i'm a typical agnostic atheist, i only get blunt when faced with arrogant naivete and ignorance

And secondly no idea, i repeat no idea should be exempted from criticism and ridicule not even science begs to be exempted from these.
Religious people propagate beliefs unsupported by any iota of evidence anywhere, in the bus, school, street, home to home, churches and mosque at every corner of the country, tv, radio - virtually everywhere.

Simply because someone uses the small niche provided by the internet to speak against these beliefs, myths and superstition, you aim for them to be silenced?

If i'm to remain silent i'd be guilty of complicity - I do not care what people believe and worship, they can worship a stone that is there business but once you start infringing into my space, telling me how to live so as not to offend your stone, running the government with regards to your stone, throwing it at children in school, smearing it on my face in buses or in the street, bringing it to my home almost every week, disturbiny my sleep every morning then we have a problem.

I will throw that stone back at you.

lordnicklaus:
Ok, please the honour of starting the thread is yours.

I think it makes more sense for the believer to do the ceremony, the honour is yours brother.

I don't understand why everyone thinks God should be Masculine and it is unheard of that it should feminine.

lordnicklaus:
How about we discuss the abhorrent and appalling concept of hell?

i'm open to it

lordnicklaus:
Ok, start it then bro!

Topic?

https://www.nairaland.com/2703924/discussion-thread-johnydon22

hahn:
Even atheists like their head

Y'all honestly need to get out of the hole, atheists attack muhammed with more demeaning insolence than they do Jesus. Go on to twitter or several websites by atheists against Islam.

Christians just have innately that "persecuted mindset" assume they are being attacked, so they'd have something to wail over even when they are the ones at the giving end.

Take NL as a case study, how many muslims open threads for atheists or to insult atheists?

How many muslim have more threads with atheist/atheism than with God?

How many muslims enter into atheist threads to start trolling.?

How many muslims always assume that any thread negating "God" or "religion" is their concern?

Even though the word "God" is used by every religion, how many times have they assumed you are talking about their God when ever you use the word "God" then turn around and complain...

I once opened a thread against Abraham/Ibrahim willingness to sacrifice his son, Muslims didn't bother even though it concens them but christians would assume it is sorely the exclusive concern of their religion.

lets face it christians are way more paranoid, vulnerable and insecure in their faith and equally fanatical than every other religion out there

Christians are just the ones prewired with that idiotic persecuted mindset even when they are the ones persecuting others.

lordnicklaus:
I wonder when someone is gonna start a restricted debate between me and them.

Let's do it - You and i

Ranchhoddas:
Oh Lord.

They just turned you into a topic of their discussion, masturbating over their opinion of you to make themselves feel good, congratulating themselves while at it.

It is really worth the sigh "Oh lord"

hahn:
Seun is a businessman

The more reason why he should let the controversies to thrive - Imagine the amount of traffic "Islam for muslim" section generates, its laughable.

It is the diversity of ideas, conflicts of opinions that generates interest in this board, take that away then the traffic and interest will forever recede.

DoctorAlien:
No. In fact, I beg you to scrutinize my religion all the more objectively.

Perhaps, I pray, in doing so you might find out that it contains the truth.

Oh i did scrutinize it and find it riddled with fables, myths and superstition and a disturbing doctrine someone like me can never respect.

Such idiotic superstitions is an insult to human intellect.

DoctorAlien:
johnydon22,

Nobody will burn forever. The fire of the wrath of GOD will totally destroy Satan and sinners. They will cease to exist.

It is not for me to punish. Vengeance belongs to GOD.

Bro, why overwork yourself over this? You know within your heart that even if GOD came down today just to tell you that He exists, you would dismiss such occurrence as hallucination. Yet GOD did come. About 2000 years ago.

The whole of creation groans under the weight of sin today just because GOD wants to prove to all and sundry that He's not a tyrant, and that loving obedience to Him is in the best interest of His creatures. You know GOD could have quickly destroyed Satan, and sin would not have spread to other creatures. However, it would have made solid Satan's claim that GOD demands worship by force. GOD let creation judge between Him and Satan. This is a mystery.

Overwork? LOL what took some miniscule minutes to type is over work? I could do this with my eyes closed besides i'm not at work at the moment.

well thanks for your concern but next time plead for your religion's exemption from objective scrutiny in a less subtle way.

You have been served, chew over it - take all the time you need.

richard1994:
It was going down on the southeast of Asia were chines go vegetarian this week for their annual Taoist Nine Emperor Gods festival, but some local Phuket are going the extra mile by testing their devotion towards
the religion. see some unbelievable pictures as they pin object through their body
https://roberttimipre..com.ng/2016/10/disturbing-see-chines-people-are-doing.html

Superstition can make people cheerfully do some really dum_b thing ordinarily only mad people would do.

When one person is crazy everyone thinks he/she is made but when many people are share the same doze and mode of crazy, it's religion.

D34lw4p:
Buddha!

There is no such a thing as a perfect human - not those he mentioned or the one you mentioned.

DoctorAlien:
I'm sorry but nobody is tryna blackmail you.

No. GOD loves us so much. We can't fully understand how much He loves us. Some people reject His love anyway. But living in the presence of sin is enough torture for those who love GOD. That is why GOD will delete sin and sinners from existence so that those who love Him will finally live in peace.

You are still repeating the same thing over and over again or do you think saying it in a different format makes it less disturbing, childish and repulsive to any sane human.

God loves you so much but if you reject his love then you'll burn forever... That is nothing near love, still undiluted blackmail and abuse.

I'm typically sure if you are asked to punish your enemies responsible for let's say murder of your whole family, burning them eternally will never be part of your scheme.

I'm pretty sure if a human does that, you'll find it very repulsive and disturbing.

How exactly did the idea of an eternal place of burning people occur to a good entity, no that stuff must come somewhere dark and evil as the concept of evil goes - but in the story, satan is the bad one [Cool tale]

Again i'd like to think that a person who judges people based on whether they have a certain belief is not anywhere sane.

Again how exactly is an infinite punishment a "JUST" punishment for a finite transgression - that is absurd and lacks the simplest iota of love, compassion, justice or goodness.

Tell me again how "God wants you to believe it exists" without empirical evidence or or burns you forevee anything less than gross abhorrence.

My good friend i'd like to think you are human and humane - anybody humane can never revere such remarkably repulsive idea.

Well it's still obvious you are just a victim of that blackmail, unable to escape, stockholm syndrome at it's finest - Your blind faith in the unempirical is just a bet-like leap to make sure you save your skin if the story turns out true.

If we go back to the beginning of human reverence of God(s), its a clear certainty that Ignorance and fear created them.

Human weakness worshipped them, crudelity preserved them. custom, respect and tyranny adorned them.

I think if their are Gods, they'd appreciat reason, logic and inability to be coerced blindly into certain decrees more noble than selfish blind faith..

Think about this - take all the time you need.

DoctorAlien:
We are talking about the Person that Created you here. He created even this earth, and the whole Universe.

Blackmail/Abuse is no less disturbing and nonsensical even if your mother/father plays it.

Doesn't matter who does it Blackmail is still blackmail...

Besides doesn't it seem a bit weird that a whole creator of a vast cosmos relates to almost inexistent humans in such a childish way?

He wants to rid creation of sin and sinners, so that sanity will be restored to creation. Sinners here are those who refuse to repent and obey the One who created them.

Shouldn't an omniscient entity know a less disturbing, monsterous, evil way to do that?

hahn:
Now, who has a dirty mind?

Na you know wetin you deh think ... O.Y.O