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One of the reasons i find it difficult to induldge in such childish shows that is going on on this board lately.

everyone just left the subject of the thread and induldged in some nonsensical infantile trolling war of meaningless memes.

Lol bros you should have watched the video you posted because this one was actually debunking the hoax showing it was a CGI rendering.

The original poster of his CGI animation work was amazed when he found out people were using his video to allege angels were caught on tape.

You guys should have mercy on yourselves for once na

@KingEtienneSky wow such powerful words, beautifully done and so eloquently portrayed.

i will need time to take these in.

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4evergod2:
Must i [size=20]stupidly[/size] argue [size=20]all the time[/size] when like i said, i see no link with the OPs write up and Christianity? My time is precious as unlike many of you young ones here some of us are married with businesses to run.

Enjoy your thread......

*I've got Joy like a river, joy like a river, joy like a river in my heart......

hahahahaha you got it 100% … … You said it yourself sir

4everGod:
Simply because I do not see Christianity being a reflection of any of the points you listed up there I will not engage you on this as its like magnifying the non existent. So for the first time in a long time I will leave this thread to you and muslims to battle it out.

*singing* great is our God, greatly to be praised, greatly to be praised, Father you reign......

Onye dinso nso nso agam aturugi mma mma e mma mma okorobia dimma mma mma eh, Chi onya nji eme onu, mma mma eh ....

Shalom!!!! Wow for some reason I am so full of joy right now...overflowing joy.....

One sentence: You simply have no argument, will soon resort to insults and trolling

kevoh:
hope? kikikiki Do not worry Dalaman vs 9jadeyhia challenge will be the grand finale! Followed by a plethora of excuses like you can not test the christian god, god works in mysterious ways, they didn't support it e.t.c from the usual suspects.

LOL

lordnicklaus:
Oh, I see. Thanks for the info. hey, what about your blog?

I have decided to do it thanks to you. I will contact you once i am ready to go. Have to buy a new laptop.

You have a lot of part to play in it...

winner01:
Did he tell you that himself or do you just want to feel better? Cos he said this;
"I am not an atheist, and I don’t think I can call myself a pantheist."

Got no time for irrelevant squabbles over Einstein's beliefs

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Albert_Einstein

lordnicklaus:
Albert Einstein was practically a deist. He believed in a creator who exerts no control over human affairs and nature.

Nope it's not Deism but pantheism or spinozaism.

Deism/theism are almost the same thing they include belief in a personal God [God(s) that can be referred to as a person- anthropomorphical Gods] - strictly what atheism rejects though. Only that a deist coins an indifferent deity.

Pantheism is still atheism in the basic sense because it rejects belief in personal Gods but rather uses the word "God" for the universe [nature]

winner01:
But Einstein did not deny the obvious like you and your peers do

Einstein was a pantheist oo... Spinoza God calling nature God... hiaaan..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Albert_Einstein

It's just using God as another name for nature... for goodness sake go read and come back.

I have no time for any infantile nonsense this morning.

hopefulLandlord:
Let's continue guys



Promise10 still wants to continue badly

Let us go with your full definition

since you are already tired of the argument, better leave it... Don't continue because you don't want to feel defeated.. there is no prize

promise10:
But, would you mind taking over?

Yes

wirinet:
You are gradually maturing atheistically, because you have come to the realization that atheists - theist arguments are pointless. Just present your views and let theists present theirs and leave it at that.
Theist - atheist arguments are like a man who only understands Yoruba arguing with a man who only understands Chinese about which language is the best. There is simply no means of communication. Even the same words in both languages will have different meanings.

I also passed through the frustrations and fruitlessness of arguing with theists in my university days, so I understand your frustrations

Everyone is at different stages of consciousness, there is a stage you grow into when all you want to do is speak your truth and not try convince people of it.

It is unecessary telling a baby they should be walking when they are at the stage of crawling - convincing them of that truth is irrelevant.

I have told people when ever you are in an argument, avoid needless going in circles, just make your points and be done with it.

You need not necessary win an argument [egoistic position], all you need do is plant just a tiny seed of doubt [with your points] natural curiosity takes over.

I remember when i was still that type of immature jobless atheist arguing like my life depended on it . . . hahahaha it was fun tho

but we keep evolving, so others will evolve and very many new enthusiastic young atheists will take over the endless arguments.

orisa37:
He was insane and actually brainless.

If being sane and brainfull is being like you and having your types of belief then thank you, i'd love to be insane and brainless.

Have fun with your sanity and brain

Spinoza God is Nature.... equating the entirety of nature [matter, thoughts] as God.. thats all.

That's broadly still atheistic

oglalasioux:
Rituals, charms, jazz or whatever exist and they are real. But is there a god or gods controlling these powers? Or did mankind discover the laws of physics and turn them into what we know as charms?

Good thoughts

djdoxxx:
I'm in Osun state....OSU village to be precise....some friends and myself drove down here for some parol......myself and my friends had an argument yesterday about religion and charms(jass existing and working etc) .....Now, in this village that we are in, which happens to be a friend's hometown, they brought up the topic amidst elderly men that I do not believe in the existence of any god or that the supernatural exist.....these men laughed and spoke out their mind.....they offered to show me stuffs tommao....


They said they would sharpen their cutlass and use it on themselves tommao saying I would see the strikes would not cut in ...

.tommao, I await to see in HD whether jazz really exist....
They asked if after proving jazz exist, would I believe in the existence of god?


Let's wait for tommao's action.....I would be recording them with my phone.....I am eager to see this as this is the 2nd time I am visiting such a place but the first time they are willing to show me the powers of the underworlds !!!!



Stay tuned




Hope I don't die overnight?!!!

Tomorrow volunteer to do the cutting yourself, first inspect the cutlas or better still bring yours and sharpen it.

Just a very good blow to the hand, lets see how it goes

Based on which topic?

malvisguy212:
Trash!!! And the eyewitness who were martyr, They purposely choose death ?

through out history people have died for many things willingly, many beliefs has see their own share of matyrdom.

Matyrdom does not make your belief true it only shows how sincerely and strong you hold for it, you dying for a lie doesn't turn it into a truth.

A lie is a lie no matter how many matyrs who have given up their lives to defend it.

dorox:
Could you tell me why you think that having an immortal soul does not rob one of freewill?

Nope this isn't what i meant - i meant "Not having freewill does not negate the possibility of an immortal soul"

in order words.

An immortal soul can exist whether it has freewill or not...

lordnicklaus:
I think what ifenes is trying to say is that for there to be an afterlife, it should be in a dimension in which time is not a necessity and thus "death" which works under "cause and effect" is not functional. This would be "infinitesimal" as aging is a cause of time. So the afterlife which is meant to be a transition from death would therefore exist in a plane in which time is "nothing".

If time is nothing there then it means there is no past or future in such plane therefore existence is basically in a stagnant unchanging, unmoving and unplaying state.

Eternity is a concept of time - time without end not necessarily timeless.

lordnicklaus:
If that is the case, then it means brain signals of people long dead are still wavering around the planet.

Nope your brain dies with you, the idea is to somehow reactivate the brain through mechanical means this time and not biological to recover the functions and firings again.

Being a theist, my view is quite different from other theists as regards the "after-life" but that would be another discussion. So, as regards the after-life, I must admit, it would be impossible for me to give a precise formular to its workings. I have just learnt to accept things the way they are. When I am dead, which is inevitable, then I can deduce the "way of the afterlife" but for now, I remain an ignorant infant.

what if when you die and it means just that - dead

dorox:
One of the reasons why I don't believe that a part of us, that is the immortal soul go on living after we die is because of free will.
Because if you really think about it, you will realise that the ability to choose to continue living or to end ones life irrespective of the condition of the person, be it favourable or unfavourable is the simplest and most fundamental way one can express free will.
Immortality of the soul denies us of that.

Your description of resurrection is basically correct, that is why Jesus likened the process to waking up from sleep.
Only those who are stored in God's memory, or have their name written in the book of life as the bible put it will be resurrected.

I do not think lack of freewill necessarily prohibits the existence of an immortal soul.

onetrack:
Depends on if the negative consequences of believing a lie are greater than the benefits. In any case, life after death cannot be disproven so I don't think that it can be considered necessarily a lie. I would absolutely argue that believing a lie can be better in some cases than dealing with the truth. Someone in a very fragile mental state, for example, might not be told the truth about something because the consequences would be extremely negative for that person.

Oh good points so in this case you recommmend what the Church call Pius fraud

Personally to me our progress should be measured by the sincerity of our questions and the depth of our answers and our willingness to agree with what is true rather than what feels good

malvisguy212:
I will take my chance, I believe in God, and I believe in every word He say, plus thousand of testimonies concerning the afterlife!

Good thing you recognize your belief is a hopeful vague gamble... Thats beautiful.

dorox:
If by afterlife you mean an immaterial part of us that survives our death, then my answer is a resounding no.

I want to know your reasons for this?

But if the prospect of a resurrection is included in your meaning of afterlife, then my answer is yes.

I do not think i included resurrection but this is still a good perspective. . . anyway address the first question above bro..

Let me also add another for this ressurrection theory.

-If we die we die and when we resurrect every part of us becomes replaced and the processes responsible for our consciousness starts again thus birthing that our initial conscious self again?

Whichever view one holds is dependent on whether we believe in God's absolute justice and morality. If we don't, we will just be talking at each other instead of to each other.
This is why I think that it would have been better if the debate was framed in such a way as to assumes that God exist while questioning the morality and justice of creating immortal souls, hellfire, resurrection, reincarnation, etc

Belief in afterlife can be independent of God(s) existing or orchestrating the circle, so from which ever angle you derive your basis for a belief you can discuss from there but it's not a benchmark that defines the totality of such belief.

So we need not assume God in the picture to infer an afterlife that possibly would digress.

But you may also present an argument from any direction or belief.

Reyginus:
I don't want to be misunderstood. I believe when you say 'another life' you simply mean 'a life after a life' and not just the coming into life of a different organism in a specie or any other phylum. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Yes a life after a life.

In that case, I don't see how it's an egoistic upliftment to focus on what makes one. You can show me otherwise considering the above. We can also search for afterlife in any other living matter but our focus here, I believe is humans. Do you agree?

Yes

Reyginus:
You are saying this afterlife is for every life that dies but only humans have the ability to conceive the idea yet. Am I correct?

"Afterlife" is another life, so what ever your idea of who gets it is still is within the confines of 'Afterlife'..

honourhim:
Have you asked yourself this- What if it is in God's eternal nature to create both what he likes and what he hates? Who defines what qualifies God to be God? is it we the created? So what makes you feel that if God is not all loving as you want him to be then he is not God? Since he allowed evil to come into the world then he is not God?

As far as i know everything you know about any God is a human idea - so reading this story and comparing the characters there in - this god character seem more evil prone than his supposed evil counter part.

Apparently you see nothing wrong in god being that evil but you somehow chastise the satan figure.

So from this your post its obvious you hardly could defend that which you defined as a salvation plan - having been shown how bizarre, cruel, egositic, unjust and disturbing such idea is.

it's blackmail and abuse not salvation.

Since every iota of this concept is directly made known through human projection, it seems right to assert God is no more than a human projection.

sobif you are going to derive a concept of a god, at least come up with one that is a little bit better than the disturbing traits that human vulnerability confines them to.

johnydon22:
This sounds more like an unfair, unjust, disturbing and infantile criteria.

"Here is a story, a man born of a virgin woman died on the cross to die for your sins even though you don't exist yet"

then you are expected to either believe it [no matter how ridiculous it sounds] or burn forever..

Believe me i reward you, if you don't you burn - seems like a very severe ego issue.

More like GOD is offering salvation from his very own orchestrated wile?
Is it really salvation or just an example of forcful coercion to derive belief?
If the same person offering you salvation is same person going to hurt you in the first place, it's not salvation but rather abusive blackmail.

Makes one wonder "Did any God make such plan or is this just a genius plot of a few who wants you to believe what they want you to believe"

Reyginus:
No, I think it is the making of the op. To be clear on this, whose or what afterlife are we talking about? I thought we were concentrating on humans?

Every concept of afterlife and as far as i know only humans have such ideas yet.

Strawman:
(@johnydon22 I was late but I booked space earlier)

It is rational to believe in an afterlife.

*Studies have shown that even Quantum Physics proves that our consciousness continues after our physical body dies. A lot of quantum physicists support this.

Hhmmmm really? that sounds curious.

Please mention these studies in quantum physics that is about continious consciousness after death?

*There are even philosophical theories that entail that this universe is some sort of "virtual reality"...all for plausible reasons.

Philosophy is boundless and unlimited and can through mind speculations derive any idea - it is not a determinant of objective reality.

*Consciousness exists outside our body..so far that is fact

This is untrue and this is not a FACT.

No human study have ever being able to severe consciousness from the neurological networks.

For the sake of the discussion lets ask : Please how did you arrive at the conclusion? [possibly i'm sure NDE's - i will address that]

Whichever form that our consciousness continues to exist is obviously a different manifestation of energy (soul) from that of the body, since it is functioning beyond the brain that we attribute it to.

consciousness is a process, so if you take away this human form.

tell me in what form a consciousness manifests, in what way? does it become s a formless needless conscious nothingness?

And whatever realm/dimension is accommodating this our "manifestation of energy" to exist is clearly metaphysical because it is beyond physics as we know it; being able to work independent from the body.

There have not being any established study that says consciousness is independent of the body - As long as the brain is still getting even a little oxygen any illusionary projection is possible.

And the thought of a different dimension/realm/universe existing within ours that works different from our laws of physics is not too far-fetched. We have theories of multiverses, theories of events from alternate universes affecting our own in one way or another, research/studies (fact) that prove our consciousness is beyond our physical body etc.

It doesn't, theories of parallel and multiverses even though mathematical speculatons can only be proof of themselves if confirmed not an afterlife

so let's stretch this again: Please how does a multiverse theory support an afterlife?

[b]Before anyone turns my statements to another argument entirely, I am just addressing the question of the belief in an afterlife being rational or not.

They are curious audacious and brilliant thoughts but seem more so like incorrect affiliations.

"Like multiverse proves afterlife" even though a multiverse has not been proven yet, i wonder how it can prove something else when the hypothesis itself is unproven.

if a multiverse is confirmed it can only proof of itself which in fact is a physical value [not metaphysical as you implied thoughts would exist solo]

nice statements they are but mostly naive affiliations - i have asked for expatiation on this statements, let me hope you can clarify them.

As long as something is backed up with reasoning, is logically sound and not totally absurd, then it is rational. And my reason for pointing out my aforementioned points is that they were backed up with logic, facts, research and reasoning. Therefore the belief in an afterlife is rational[/b]

Nice direction this conclusion is derived.

We live in a world where strange and unexplainable things have happened throughout the course of history. Many people have reported very specific ghost sightings, miracles and other paranormal activities. Now there are about 7 billion people in this world, lemme even be generous to the skeptics and say only about half of the world's population (about 3,500,000,000 people) have claimed to have witnessed something supernatural of some sort, it would be very absurd to believe that ALL 3,500,000,000 people were lying or hallucinating.

All 3,500,000,000 may not necessarily be lying but all can be mistaken, just because everyone believes something does not make it true.

Rathe mysteries are just things waiting to be known - why not vy to find out these mysteries and not explain them with a dose of superstition...