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Aiholi:
Bros is dt a gospel song?
Its like sayin Fada Fada by phyno is a gospel hit...

I don't know what you call it o but it's been ranked as a Gospel song in Google and i doubt if that's same for Phyno Fada Fada.

they are hardly same thing.

what about Darey and the Soweto Gospel choir... i'm addicted to their song "Pray for me"

Jeankrab:
I posted this on my Facebook page but didn't get the response I wanted until a friend told me of a forum with so many members. I admit am posting this out of frustration but I don't have any choice after investing my time and savings to get a degree but no job after nysc. I have made up my mind to be successful in life even if it's for a year and I know only the devil can give instant success with a price which am ready to pay. Am here to ask people that have direct access to the devil or whatever they believe in that can guarantee instant success to introduce me. E-mail: desireworld@easy.com

there is no such a thing as Lucifer neither is there a magic recipe to success, if you want to move a cup, get off your ass and move the cup nothing can do it for you at least not vague fictitious ideas like lucifer or anything.

Timothy 2:11-15


A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not
permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she
must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam
was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and
became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing—if
they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.


1st Corinthians 14:34

Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak,
but must be in submission, as the law says.

Cc. lalasticlala

An2elect2:
Matthew 5:22; But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, You fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

If only you have understanding, you will know what to say and when to say.

If you know nothing about Law and grace i am not sure you would make any sense from cherry-picking scriptures.

Pauline Christians believe Paul more than they believe Jesus..

An odd melancholy has lingered on through my mind tonight, an untold sadness that strikes the very cords of my lowest points, Fela's ringing voice keeps resounding in my mind "they leave Sorrow, tears and blood, their regular trade mark"

This is about the Nigerian army and the intimidation the ordinary citizens suffer in the hands on these bullies in camouflage uniform.

On my way back home from work tonight, a scenerio that i believe is a common sight through out Nigeria played out right before me.

The bustling busy roads of Abakpa in Enugu state was ever active as it usually is as of the time of the night i am putting this down, commuter buses litering every angle with the conductors searching for potential passengers.

There was a slight traffic jam at the bus stop due to these activities then a toyota jeep with the driver barking authoratively at the bus drivers to get out of the way for him to pass came into the scene.

After a little delay the driver taxied his bus to the side of the road unknown to all, the jeep's occupants were Soldiers who already were angry the driver did not move out as fast as wanted - the jeep drove hastily to the front, parked and 3 soldiers in uniform came down making angrily towards the bus driver who on seeing them got really paranoid.

In seconds they were already holding him by the waist barking and throwing slaps on his face while he was pleading for mercy, they dragged him towards the jeep and yelled amidst the slaps for him to get into the trunk while one of them retrieved the bus driver's car key from the ignition and left the bus with the engine still humming while the also scared and disappointed passengers already were out of the bus looking on helplessly as the bus driver was slapped into the jeep trunk and off they went.

There were sighs from every angle, sad faces more so from the fact that while everyone knew that this was wrong, all were helpless to the sad event, their faces were dimmed with fear but they all had to shrug and get on with what ever it was everybody was doing - after all this already is a tradition and Nigerians are used to it.

It is a thing of sadness and of utmost disappointment that the ordinary citizen of the country are being used as specimen's for power craze men in uniform to exercise their power, it is something that portrays the depth of ethical decay in the Nigerian system.

Uniformed men somehow see the masses as their inferiors who can be trampled upon, abused and mistreated at will, somehow these uniformed men are God who are never supposed to be provoked even in the slightest sense or it comes with a very unnecessary and barbaric dire consequence.

It is a remarkable irony that in the Nigerian system, the military that is supposed to protect us are the ones killing us without any dust being raised about it.

It is an irony but in this case a very sad one, the ones that are meant to protect our rights are the ones abusing, intimidating and disregarding our basic rights as humans and citizens of the sovereign state of Nigeria.

the police that are supposed to protect our properties and money are the ones extorting us more than any criminal ever did.

Hustling transport workers are made to pay a certain amount at every police check point, illegal extortion of the masses off their hard earned money.

The police when ever they want can go into any poor part of the states, pick up random innocent youths in the street for no reason what so ever, detain them without cause and charge certain amounts for bail.

That is a criminal act, the uniformed men of Nigeria do more than the ones they are supposed to protect the citizens against.

Isn't it a ramarkable thing that we feel scared and insecure when we are in the presence of the police or military even when in actuality we are meant to feel secure and safe because they 'supposedly' are here to help, protect and serve the interest of the masses.

I thought governments are made for the people but in this case we the people are made for the government and the government is using us, abusing us, killing us, intimidating us, denying us of our rights at the same time extorting us.

This blatant abuse and infringment of our basic rights and the treatment or should i say the view by certain groups of individuals that there are Gods over the ordinary men - who are seen as opportunities to be tapped, helpless entities that can be abused at will and a means of cruel extortion for their own selfish gains.

This is a sinister play out, wronger than wrong and i believe can be stopped if the government of the high places want to.

The new mantra cum propaganda of the federal government Change begins with me should be corrected to.

- Change begins with the federal government - [stop making vague promises]
-Change begins with Nass - [You are there for the good of the people not enrich your greedy pot bellies with the national funds]
-Change begins with Army - [You are here to protect us not abuse us]
-Change begins with the police - [You are here to protect our property not steal from us]

If these basic problems the masses face are not addressed in the Nigerian system, then nothing has changed and nothing can change.

The power of the military and police over the masses should be put under the radar - the purpose behind these forces is for the collective protection of the sovereign boarder of the nation, lives and properties of the masses.

But the reality of things remain their trade mark in dealing with the masses are intimidation, abuse, sorrow, tears and blood.

Leaving broken spirits with their trails...

KingEbukasBlog:
Every religion including atheism is a scam .

Isn't it remarkable that the word 'Religion' is now being used by the religious as an insult to Atheism.. lol

oaroloye:
SHALOM!



SATAN is the Serpent from The Garden of Eden.

Earth is a place beneath God's Scrutiny- unless His Law is invoked.

God did not care what the Devils did on Earth, because they have no Power over those who keep His Commandments fully.

Abeg free me with this crap

Long over due

Vick4rill:
jonnydon, i have read ur post and i must commend, that u are one of the most reasonable atheist on this forum. i want u to use this illustrations and decify wat i am saying: if a teacher in a class tells the class that 2+2= 5 and a student in that class decided to object and give so much reasons why that answer is not correct, bt failed to present a correct answer. wat will u do as a member of that class? atheist dispute the existance of gods bt failed to explains the existance of the universe. just as any reasonable students in that class will nt accept "nothing" as an answer so also will theist. accepting the boy refusal with out an answer will not help the student on the correct answer to write on exam day.

I’d rather say "I don't know" than hold on to an incorrect answer.... it is not a "Must" that you should have an answer rather what matters is the correctness.

Our progress should be judged by the depth of our question and the sincerity of our answers and in our tendency to agree with what is true rather than what feels good or what we want so bad to be true

On a second note : The existence of the universe is not limited to the 'god' explanation, it is a primitive superstition, unconfirmed and unproven, postulated by men of little means.

If one assert that for something to exist it must require a god then god cannot exist without another god and so we go into an infinite regress of god causalities.

Vick4rill:
i am writing this basically, for the christains who maybe out of life frustrations and failures, has decided to debunk the existance of any God and become an atheist.

This will be a wrong reason for anybody to become an atheist - i think it should based on critical and honest evaluation of the facts and evidences, scrutinizing the concept in order to take that Journey of faithlessness in deities.

Because to me superstition is cowardice in the face of the divine and the divine are mere projection of human ignorance when faced with the mysteries of causalities for the effects he witness.

something that needs faith is most likely untrue because one only employ faith when there is no evidence for a claim - so faith is a dishonest position and for something as critical as Gods to rely on something as vague as Faith for basis makes it feeble.

believe me! there must be a designer of this universe.

"Must" here is nonsensical because you are making an absolute remark on an area you know so little about.

There must be or just that you want so bad that there should be?

We should take your words for it? Naaaaaah this is a classical example of trying to subtitute your emotion as fact.

But let me hear your reasons for asserting there must be

forget all this bull crap of atheist and scientiest telling u that the universe was form out of nothing.

Science is the poetry of reality and for you to attack science please make sure you know at least a bit of it.

The universe can well come from nothing or from something. That something might be a singlarity, dark energy, a race of gods if you will or anything - but for that something to be a humanoid with a golden mansion somewhere outside space/time, comes to an almost inexistent planet in the universe, loves the jews and helps man kill each other - it's a bit too much for any rational mind to swallow.

you are wiser than that! now the issue here is , even if yahweh did not create this world as potrayed by atheist. wouldnt it be very unwise to dispute every other god and stick with the "delusion, that this world came out of nothing? dont take that stupid risk. 1% is far greater than 0%.

So your argument is - if there is indeed a creator for the universe then such a god must have a fiery torture chamber where it will burn everything that refuses to exercise a blind belief over it's elusive existence?

Such disturbing traits makes such god not only barbaric but sadistic and egoistic with a humongous dose of childishness.

what exactly is something big and powerful enough to create the entire universe doing with your belief?

what exactly is it doing with your worship?

How does something supposedly that big and powerful enough to create a universe so insecure, childish and egoistic that it requires you believe it or it burns you?

Such a feeble vulnerable concept is too small for the cosmos, your god obviously is too small for the cosmos.

So forget this your gamble of 1% and 0% pascal wager - what if the creator if there be one values honest rationality over blind faith?

And for the record - as the definitions and concepts go, a creator is not necessarily a God and a God is not necessarily a creator.

hahn:
I do not understand why theists, despite claiming that their god is all loving, do not find this disturbing

Like Lex said in Batman vs Superman "If God is all powerful it cannot be all good, and if it's all good it cannot be all powerful"

It implies.

If there is a God and it is all powerful, it means such a god is fully capable of solving every anomaly and the dangerous values of the cosmos but since obviously the cosmos is a pretty dangerous place then if there is an all powerful god preciding over it - it means such god does not want to help therefore not all good.

But if there is an all good god, it means it woulf be willing to help but since the cosmos isn't really any better it means that such all good deity has no sufficient power to help.

Like i highlighted here https://www.nairaland.com/3200618/epicurean-argument-evil-god

An all Good, all powerful and all knowing deity preciding over such a dangerous cosmos is paradoxical and cannot exist.

soberdrunk:
I always wonder how righteous/born again people have fun, as a 'sinner' i cannot do without my beer and sticks and sometimes i wonder 'if' or 'when' i find religion, what i will do for fun. It seems religion is against all the things a 'lively' man like me likes to do in my spare time, so i want to hear from religious people what you all do for "FUN" in your free time....................?

Alcohol and sticks arent really much fun to most people - i am atheistic but i have never taken one stick and i take alcohol very moderately.

There are many ways to live and seating down in a bar and downing bottles and sticks of alcohol is not one of them for me - N.B: I do not think there are bad though.

There are worth while things like

-Adventures
-Travelling to see the world
-Alone times at night gazing at the stars
-Going to cheap food stores with friends
-Reading and writing
-Camping
-Crazy things
-Hiking
-Alone time with bae
-intellectual discussions

Mnay of them

Ken4Christ:
This is a welcome development.

I really have my worries if that can solve the problem at hand.. The North needs education honestly that will help a lot

lordnicklaus:
Very true. Believe me when I say as a Christian, I have seen Christians worst than barbarians.

Exactly did you see my email address on the other thread bro? i will be waiting for your mail

lordnicklaus:
Yes. Respect is the key to imbuing a good relationship. If both parties respect each other, gender equality wouldn't be an issue. Both spouses should have intimate love and would overlook minor mistakes. But I feel surpressing a woman is wrong. Women have delicate emotions and should be respected. And the bible admonishes men to love their wives and respect them.

Excellent - Belief is a trivial issue to me when it comes to a relationship.

ireneony:
the most important thing is if he's good man and he respect.
there are good and bad atheist.

Ur aim should be the good one not the bad

Thank you for this sister - there are good people and bad people whether they have a belief or not.

Our belief or non belief do not make us good or bad, it is our actions towards others.

2dugged:
you misunderstood me on that anti-women statement, I said religion, and besides I even forgot to add some traditions too

Yes it is many times a cultural thing in fact i do think the religious position on women are always the effect of a cultural cause.

Example : the biblical view on women is as a result of the position of Women as given by then Jewish culture.

Humans should be respected but Beliefs and Cultures when they go contrary to your own ethical stand point i do not think cannot be excused from criticism.

malvisguy212:
are you a fraud ? Why are you picking word that suit your argument ? Paste the thread and let the viewers read. You want to use cheating and cunning way to win argument like satan ?

Oh by all means i will https://www.nairaland.com/2557475/delusions-forgiveness-christian-morality

I'm not here win arguments, thats for children.

lordnicklaus:
Well go ahead sister, it's your choice. Don't let anyone decide for you or discourage you. Btw, I think gender equality is now a raging debate......

Exactly my brother - but it is still wrong for 2dugged to equate atheism with women equality though.

While most atheists are champions of women equality because most adopt a secular view of the world and ethics, i also think it is not just a religious issue but also a cultural thing so an atheist can still hold that "Masculine dominating" mindset.

As well as a religious person can also see women as equals - it's an intricate ground.

dadabashua1:
brother no offense pls forgive me if am rude.. but will appreciate if you stop quoting me and focus on how to convince her with your points which is the main thing here.. thanks for your understanding

Hahahahaha i was not trying to convince her, the reality is very glaring Believer or atheist, a relationship works due to the individuals not what they believe

I was only making you account for your assertions - oh well its been a blast.. have fun.

dadabashua1:
OP...pls I want you to shed more light on how Christianity makes a woman inferior

The verse i provided should have been your number one reference - Timothy 2:11-15.

Why don't we ever get women Popes?

Christianity as an institution is very flexible and is open to modifications and change and that is why it has undergone many changes due to encroachment of secularism in the society but if we go by the Biblical fundamentals - its no better than Islam when it comes to women.

dadabashua1:
i personal think she needed the opinion not you.. so tell me y do u think its you I have to convinced?

You see this is not about me, this is a public forum and you gave out an opinion in a public platform of course people will come around challenge the accuracy of such assertions.

So there would stretch it and see if you can defend and add weight to the credibility of your remarks.

So what good is the opinion when it is so feeble that it fails to withstand just a tiny pinch of scrutiny?

ireneony:
can you couple when he tells you not to go to church on Sunday?

And how on earth do you know he'd do that, most atheist have no problem if their wives go to church.

Everyone has freedom of belief and religion - Nobody has a right to impose on others their belief or non belief.

I for one do go to church with a girl i like if she wants and i do enjoy some Catholic ceremonies while at it - its not that much of a big deal.

I don't believe it means i don't, whether i go to church or not doesn't really mean anything.

I know of many atheists who even go to church with their spouse, it is no big deal... Not believing in God doesn't mean you have an unnecessary animosity towards Religious gatherings.

More than 10% of religious leaders [Pastors, priests, cardinals and so] are in fact atheists.

dadabashua1:
like I have told you, am not here for debate... am only trying to encourage someone that says she believe in God's existence... if she can boldly claim she no longer believe in Gods existence believe me, u won't find my comment here... just like I don't condemn people that choose not to believe in God, I also deserve the right not to be condemn for believing in God... mind u am not a religious person

My brother i am not condemning you for your right to believe in God by all means do, in fact i will fight for you to uphold that right.

2dugged brought out a very delicate issue, you trying to encourage to maintain the faith by also marrying a man in the faith is very commendable.

where i came in is that i wanted you to state your reasons why a believer is better in a relationship than an unbeliever, something you have not done yet.

dadabashua1:
can you give me the scientific prove behind love...how does it come to existence pls....? I want evidence not natural slogan,

This is a writing platform, i can only explain the neurological attribute of affection and care we call "love" in a written form, if that's what you want to be taught then let me know.

I will be glad to explain the neurological chemistry of these basic intuitive projections of the Limbic system

mind you am have no interest in debating with you..

Frankly brother i'm not sure you can, lets just have a good objective friendly discussion with an open mind on the topic the OP presented.

am only trying to encourage someone that says she believe in God existance

That is good my good friend by all means do that but don't presume to down play others while at it simply because they don't share the same belief with you.

So far you still have not shown how a believer is better than a non believer which is exactly 2dugged points.

dadabashua1:
and who told you people of the era of BC don't believe in God...

Jesus!!! where on earth did i say the BC era do not believe in God, brother please do not add "Impaired comprehension" to the list.

For all we know "God(s)" are products of the BC era, read my post again its obvious you don't understand it.

see I will join you the day scientist give me the profs that God truly don't exist... something they have failed to answer till this day

Nobody is trying to tell you to Join them, do not Digress from the topic at hand because i'm sure my discussion with you is based on how being a believer in a deity makes you any better than a non believer when it comes to a relationship.

Beside you are asking people to provide proof that negates your 'beliefs' that shows you on your part have no proof for them - doesn't this bother you?

dadabashua1:
your lack of belief in God will never allow u to understand believe me... u don't believe in God but you believe in love, respect etc.. wow what an irony

LOL Love is a trait exhibited by most organisms with a basic limbic system, even a dog loves.

So there is no co-relationship between Love and belief in any deity and so goes for respect.

Remember this is a public forum and people are reading so i'll advice you think deeply about your assertions because ones like this one makes you look really naive to basic reality.

dadabashua1:
a Muslim treats his wife in accordance with his teachings same with a Christian.. I mean the real ones not the fake ones,

You mean teachings like these

Surah 4:34
"Men are in charge of women by [right of] what Allah has given
one over the other and what they spend [for maintenance] from
their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding
in [the husband's] absence what Allah would have them guard.
But those [wives] from whom you fear arrogance - [first] advise
them; [then if they persist], forsake them in bed; and [finally],
strike them. But if they obey you [once more], seek no means
against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand."

and this


Timothy 2 :11 -15
" A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not
permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she
must be quiet. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam
was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and
became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing—if
they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety."

These books are your models on how to treat women? then i'll say you have no idea how to treat women because the obvious misogyny emanating from these makes women no less than a property.

No wonder Pastor Chris likened husband and wife to Master and servant position...

Considering women inferior creatures is that good for the world?

so tell me on what beliefs will someone that don't believe in For existence treat his wife?

So you need to believe in a certain entity's existence before you can figure out you should

-Love
-Respect
-worship
-cherish

Your wife?

That is the saddest life on can think of, since you cannot figure out on your own from your independent reason how to treat others in a relationship but rely on old archaic outdated books written in an era that you are way ahead of both intellectually and technologywise.

This is 2016 not BC's brother.

You do not need a book to tell you how to treat your wife, if you cannot figure out how to treat a woman in your life on your own without a book written by men with numerous wives telling you - then i believe you need help.

If the books with the verses up there are your models for how to treat women then i am 100% sure you do not know how to treat women.

A relationship is a mutual ground that require mutual love and respect, compromises, trust, loyalty and reverence for each other

I don't need any God to tell me that because frankly the God(s) in those books up there got it all wrong.

dadabashua1:
i get your point.. prayer is the key pray for God to give u his destined husband for you... perhaps you have meet him already or better still will soon meet him... but going for someone that don't believe in God's existence is not the best option to me..

Tell me how? does non belief in the existence of a god make any man less likely to treat his woman right even if she is religious?

Does having a belief make you any better or will it make your marriage more likely to succeed?

Lets hear your reasons

Geofavor:
took you a while to reply. (Well, I'm guilty of this myself).

I have found the answer: a black string.

A black string? Hhmmm can i ask for a little expatiation on this model?