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blueAgent:No my brother i am not here to prove you wrong, i am here to learn from you. i thought i told you here now that you know more science than i do. So please just answer my curious question, you mentioned the north of the universe so please tell me and every other person here who are eager as i am to learn from this your deep knowledge of seeming biblical astronomy. where is the north of the universe? |
blueAgent:No bro you know more than i do The Bible a primitive book that stated confidently that the world was hanged on nothing in Space. thousands of years ago, before your Science could put man in Space.I only asked you to tell us exactly where the North of the universe is? .. You mentioned it here and now i asked a simple question you are talking about something else. i'm sure you are a scientific genius so where is the north of the universe ? |
blueAgent:exactly |
tempem:Could almost pass for an observation, assume to know things about the next person which you don't. You only search for areas to criticize, and that's reasonable, but the unreasonable part is when you don't let yourself be corrected... .The unreasonable part is trying to reinterpret ancient texts to mean what you mean. Job 9:6 the earth has a pillar that can be shaken 1st samuel 2:8 also speaks of Pillars for the earth... Now it gets more interesting. Isaiah 40:22 (Bible said that the earth's round)Now lets reveal more blunders, here it says circle of the earth not round. [usual misrepresentation to derive a deceptive connotation of what you want. Let me read out the verse for all to see Isaiah 40:22 it is he that sits upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are like grasshoppers. that stretches out the heaven like a curtain and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in. Something can be circle but no round, there are circle plates it doesn't make them round. further more to show the naive biblical view of a flat earth it goes further to assert the earth has edges and things can be shaken off the edges. Isaiah 41:5 also attributes edges to the earth Job 26:11 thinks the sky is supported by pillars . Lol gets more interesting lets dismantle the flat earth view more moving to revelations: the author thought all eyes on earth would see the second coming, that's impossible except on a flat plain. the earth has no edges and things cannot be shaken off it because it's a freaking sphere and spheres can never have edges or pillars. Circular does not mean spherical, circular as the passages show imply a flat circular plain with the sky as a tent held up by mountains and pillars underneath bolding up the surface. that's the biblical cosmogony, its chiefly naive So, please show me what researchers said on this..The Greeks had a view of spherical earth much too long ago, ancient works are done by humans and are bound to be full or errors, naive postulations and wrong speculations. These naive myths are a testimony of human audacity in probing the cosmos and they deserve respect like every other. the problem arrives when lots like you aim at applying cheap cherrypicking deception and misinterpretation aimed at shooting up wrong assertions into underserved correctness. Or think that elementary knowledge found in your religious books are works of a deity - when there are older texts with far more correct and impressive science works. such deity is sadly ignorant.. And please your pillar Earth get me the reference..Served hot |
davien:Lol brother they are not loonies, without conflicting ideas the world would be boring. |
If the story of Noah was not in the bible Christians would laugh at anyone who believed it. If Alice in wonderland was in the bible,Christians would believe it and chastise you for not doing so. |
I've got one more thought to chip in. Isn't it remarkable in an era when humans were fully capable of building ships and boats, a flood came and only one man out of all humans had a boat then. Seriously no one else owned a boat on earth? |
Richirich713:Jesus!!! I intend to open a blog soon for my own writings well SonOfLucifer we need to talk about that. |
tempem:it's not a miracle that the genesis story paints a picture where it was normal that snakes talk, its simply a jewish folklore that you lot took serious. and there can never be such a thing as Day/night before or without the sun. the sun doesn't orbit earth and there can't be a sudden halt of this celestial orbital dance of earth around the sun [because nobody need worry about Joshua and his soldiers, if the earth stopped rotating the world was literally over as you know it] Circular doesn't imply spherical, there are other ancient civilizations that portrayed a spherical earth not even a circular projection. Sumerians measured accurately the orbit of Jupiter long before the jews ever emerged. Eratosthenes measured the size of the planet much long ago... these are not miraculous, these are born out of human study. there were humans and they studied science [astrology] though they were ancient and limited I'm sure if it was the jews that achieved something like measuring the orbit of another planet or size of earth in the bible you would have thought it was only a deity could tell them. That is wrong, the bible is riddled with many scientific blunders even ones that many older texts knew otherwise. When people said a lot about where the earth stands on, the Bible had already said that the earth hangs on nothing. Scientists agrees on this too.The bible also mentions "Pillars" for the earth, only a flat plain needs pillars a sphere has no pillars. These are ancient attempts at explaining what is, very Daring but its naive and limited. So do not think there is anything special about the bible, it lacks greatly in scientific feats than most other ancient works. But they are all limited and full of errors considering the naivete of the primitive humans involved. |
Ranchhoddas:North of the universe? hahahahaha this what you get when the bible [A primitive book written by naive goat herding jews] is your source on astronomy. Science has been murdered literally here... I have never laughed as much as i did in months. |
blueAgent:Bro you are the only person i have seen mention "North of the universe" why should now ask NASA. It's obvious your astronomical knowledge is outstanding so please educate us where exactly is the North of the universe. You are clearly a brilliant scientist so i'm sure you can defend what you said.. |
Richirich713:Thanks brother... I most times enjoy read conspiracy theories, serious jokes.. |
GrizzlyBear:Yes he doesn't condone murder but he reveres and almost worships a book that not only does but charges infanticide, genocide, smashing babies on rocks, ripping pregnant women open. But don't watch action movies... The bible is horror/action movie enough The surface thinking and hypocrisy of Christians is always their undoing.. |
cokoduck:I have done that many times... nothing happened and that you don't see Quran critics doesn't make the bible accurate. From where exactly do you guys derive this type of jaw dropping logic? |
tempem:Yeap it is very scientifically accurate to think Day and night came before the sun -that snakes biologically used to talk -the sun orbited the earth, came to a sudden halt to allow people continue killing each other -thinks snows and hails has a store room That's your science brother, clearly i recommend real science books to you |
Ok let me try a bit... In relativity light is a universal constant, the reason for dilation is for an equilibrium to be achieved so the constant be maintained. It goes thus we live in a universe of 3spartial velocities plus time equalling the constant [speed of light] Spatial velocities X , Y , Z + T (TIME) = C [speed of light] the faster you go in the spatial velocities the more time adjusts to balance the equation to total the constant. about gravity and light, its more of a prison than a greater speed... Blackholes gravity not necessarily produce a speed faster than light but rather creates an infinite gravitationally closed confinement thus once light is pulled in, there is no leaving the prison. If we live in a closed universe it means light cannot escape the confines of the universe then this universe is likely a blackhole itself.. mentioned this on my thread 'Songs of the world' (LIGHT) |
uncjay:Nope one can be a christian, muslim, hindu and be good for goodness sake, i am sure there lots who do. the point addresses the majority who cannot unwed their view of morality from their ultimate desired fantasy and dreaded threat of torture. |
sonofthunder:Uuuuhm there was this film "50 shades of grey" then later they got "50 shades of black" same story line but funnier. give me a rational co-relation here.. |
sonofthunder:Yeap sure that's the one brother... The older tale is the lie the younger similar work is the truth. Classic! ...LOL |
Reyginus:Science thrives on the back of observations to formulate a theory based on consistent logic. Observations of the quantum world teaches man the things man know about the Quantum world, this is just man saying the things he is observing wondering how they are so upside down from the one he is used to |
HardMirror:Blaze on ... #Grabs seat and watch... Anticipating a war soon though |
Teempakguy:It's high time we developed a very soothing way of portraying scientific findings, the usual raw all sciency language makes it a very turn off to most people because it makes it harder than it should be. I'm singing a song here, literary mastery i hope to achieve, to paint pictures with words instead of smearing calculus on minds who wish to just see in a clear water which is like shaking the water instead of allowing it to be settled and calm for them to see clearly. Just like Einstein said "Judge a fish by it's ability to climb a tree, it will live it's life believing it's a failure". Make the language of a science more simple and refreshing, make it more philosophical, profound and 'religious' and let's see if everyone is not a GENIUS. That's the aim of the 'Songs of the Worlds'.. Mr Jega welcome tire!!! |
Reyginus:It's a subjective connotation because the macro state and quantum state are distinct though intrinsic collectively. it may be wrong to say "every theory is wrong" here since we are dealing with different level of nature here, it's like putting a fanta inside a coke bottle and saying "that is wrong" of course it is wrong but that doesn't mean "fanta" is wrong, just put it back into it's fanta container it becomes right. That is the relationship between classical laws of physics and the quantum state, teempakguy is a mischievous young mad science nerd always yanking chains. The Quantum state [Subatomic realm] is literally too different from your classical every day reality which classical physics explains. E.G: Subatomic particles has been observed to speed up without interference from any external force which shatters the first law of motion of the macro state, Cause and effect doesn't hold sway here. while this macro state is defined by limitations and physical laws the quantum world seem more or less lawless, i have discussed this with JackBizzle sometime ago, i told him maybe the reason why humans can't postulate a law guarding the manifestations of quantum state is because there are no law. We are used to limitations and boundaries that we look for it everywhere, maybe the only law there is there are no laws Remarkably the macro is built from the micro [quantum bits] which means the lawless behaviours of the quantum particles define the detailed restricted behaviour of the macro state. and why do you think the theory is practically useless there?Because it fails at explaining the behaviours and manifestations of nature at the quantum scale. Just like it is useless to tender a law based on 'Cause and effect' on a state where particles act without Cause. |
HardMirror:Rain powerful enough to achieve this in 40 days would at least be gushing at every point with the power of not less than 8 fire water hose of incredible pressure in every drop. such pressure is enough to melt any stone structure ever built like wax talk more of a wooden boat. That is a remarkable pointer to the naivete of the primitive minds involved in the drafting of these myths. Though it's a very colourful, entertaining, eloquent and finely done work of literature. |
lytech1:Some of us humans [remarkably of the 21st century] rather think, believe more so that the bible is flawless, unmistaken, all knowing, perfect, divinely done and holds all the answers. Never mind the timeline, limits, ignorance, fallibility and scientific naivete of the era and humans involved... It is indeed remarkable how only religious books [Bible, koran, veda etc] induce such irrational reverence and blindness to it's inconsistencies by those who are adherents of these faiths and books. Indeed the wiles of faith is evily genius |
This will be interesting, i'll just seat and watch the war that will follow soon... i.e: the flood story found in the Jewish torah is a young version by a younger civilization [Jews] There were more older semitic myths portraying a flood like the Sumerian Gilgamesh epic [Predates the Torah by almost 10 centuries] and is scholarly recognized as the source from whence the Torah Noah tale was copied... though it is speculated they may even be older sources than the Gilgamesh epic **Surely since according to the Jews their founding Father Abraham was from Sumer, there was a lot of cultural and even theological borrow from sumer and other older semitic civilizations..** I am anticipating a very long mesmerizing war of words and from the looks of comments already seen it would be more of angry vulnerable irrational emotional banters riddled with insults and hurt feelings than an intellectual discourse aimed at arriving at a rational common ground or at least disagree in a kind way. |
Teempakguy:I see the universe both as flower and as a field to mine and use but in this position i always recommend moderation. One problem with humans is our inability to know when to stop, in our evolutionary Journey man's intelligence was the key to his survival and domination until man invented nuclear weapons his intelligence became the direct number one threat to his survival. Toying with the universe is allowed alright since man is also part of nature so fairly put can be said its a reaction of natural agents but i fear that leap might walk hand in hand with our doom. BTW, a level 3 civilization can effortlessly play around with the planets in this system like they were ping pong balls. I highly suspect that they're going to launch Jupiter and Saturn into the sun for fuel. and when they do, I will be the one to claim the glory for suggesting it first.And then they loose their number 1 cover from meteor bombardment. Saturn and Jupiter are enormously huge and massive with humongous gravitational effect, they like shielding bodies from meteor and asteroid bombardment for the inner solar system Jupiter more so. Take away Jupiter and saturn, earth becomes more vulnerable to these factors, You see one of the reasons why i say lack moderation may make our intelligence a direct cause of our bane? In all our advancement walks hand in hand with our doom |
Teempakguy:Make people no use slap reset your destiny one of these days. ![]() ^^You left out the microwave part of the spectrum, whether this is by design or otherwise, I don't know, but I think it will be important to mention as it is the cosmic background of the universe and one of the top evidence for big bang theory.Yeah remnants of a bang, like showers of fire rains after fireworks. Also, I just hatched a wicked Idea to make Jupiter into a star.Like play like play you don deh mad That's a classical example of a terrible idea.. ![]() Neptune is more massive than the earth, who is gonna launch who, we earthlings must first move the earth first what? we're not using them for anything anyway.And who told you it's there because of you? ![]() |
Reyginus:Surely theories are limited, they explain based on known facts more discoveries might either enhance, modify or improve the quality of it's truths. Like teempakguy mentioned: In the Quantum world the theory of relativity breaks down but not just that, almost every known law of classical physics breaks down in the quantum realm even Cause and effect. |
Reyginus:You may educate us more on these problems bro lets try and discuss them further.. |
LIGHT If we had no eyes we would be unaware of the existence of colour. What if we are missing an entire aspect of everything simply because we have no organ to detect it?. Anonymous Do you know the dwelling of light? Book of Job [Jewish myth] Light is part of our everyday life, light is probably inseparable from our survival and even evolution, almost certainly without light life wouldn't have emerged or evolved on earth so we as living organisms are inseparable from the encompassing confine of light. There is more to light than we can see, the parts of light that play more roles in our existence, evolution in general is the part we are rarely able to detect so almost blind to it's existence. Simply defined Light is an electromagnetic radiation a weird piece of natural mastery. We are used to light, we see light in our everyday life, light bulbs, torch light, televisions, the sun, the reflected sunlight on the moon as a matter of fact that we see at all is because of light but our perception of light is so lacking that we almost are oblivious to the full complete manifestations of light. -That you were able to search and open this on your internet browser is not separable from the wonder made possible by light. -the radio signals blaring on your radios, mobile phones, televisions. -the penetrating x-ray photos that has saved millions of what would have been unknown causality of untold disaster. Our eyes - the organ responsible for our ocular perceptibility is sadly limited, it is a machine made possible by light but can only perceive a miniscule aspect of light. Our vision is based on light photons hitting the object and reflect back to our retina to form an image but the percentage of light we see is only but a very small part of all that light is. We are blinded to those part that we are unable to perceive even though there are all around us. A simple experiment that could be done in every classroom or home, i can remember doing it in Physics class as a young indifferent boy bored to hell at the mention of the name Physics. Our young but yet patient teacher tried his best to explain the refraction of light in a triangular prism giving rise to different spectrums of light. What a foolish bird i have been. With the aid of a little triangular prism [glass] when a beam of light is passed through the prism it disperses into different spectrums of distinct wavelengths, to us more like a rainbow sandwich. The light is broken down into many rainbow like colours from the shortest wavelength: Violet, Blue, green, yellow, orange, red... This is what we call the visible spectrum of light but we are sadly but yet beautifully limited. Light goes far more than that - starting from shortest wavelength of; [Gamma rays ] . . . . [X-rays] . . . . [Ultraviolet] Then in between Ultra-violet and subsequent wavelength of infrared, a tiny spectrum is carved which is called [the visible spectrum **where colours fall in**] Beyond that we continue to the: [infrared] . . . [Radio waves] - holds the longest wavelength. what if there are more spectrums of light beyond the radio waves and gammar rays completely elusive to us? The small spectrum visible to us we named the "visible spectrum", the bumble bee would disagree with us on this, the bumble bees easily perceive the Ultraviolet, rattlesnakes and a curious eight eyed specie of spiders in infrared. Colours as we perceive them would be blind to bumble bees and rattlesnake but in return their ocular perception would be something we would dub magical. The bumble bees would see in likely transparent and grey mode, the rattle snake would see in a more miraculous cake of intrinsic heat pattern - they could easily peer through walls, tell distinct temperatures of objects by mere looking at them. Though we can re-create these ocular perceptibility technologically like we have infra-red telescopes, x-rays but these abilities can only be a subject of our fantasy biologically. Which then begs the question. Since light directly affect the perception of reality, how then exactly is reality? To the rattle snake the remarkable firework-like mesh of heat signature vision is the reality of things, if we had that ability to perceive in infra-red then you wouldn't have been able to make out the luscious flesh of animals or humans, flashy colour of gold, the ominous blue of the ocean depth - everything would appear in signature according to their temperature. This leaves a remarkable pointer - Light not only is a universal constant but also a determinant of reality in the sense that your perception of reality is directly as a result of the spectrum of light you can perceive. We may be chauvinistic and claim our perception of reality is the best but this only will be us exercising an expected chauvinism towards our own perceptibility, the bumble bee would still maintain ultra-violet is the best while rattle snakes would stick to infrared if they all could communicate their mind. No spectrum of light is realer than the rest, they are all real part of bits of light therefore the varying perception of reality as perceived by distinct optical mirrors in reaction to varying light spectrums are all real, none realer than the other. Understanding light may help us understand more about the universe we live in. Light exhibit a dual nature, light propagate as tiny droplets called photons and these have shown to propagate both as a particle and wave. A completely spooky reality that beats the human imaginations, referred to as wave-particle duality. This finite but boundless nature light makes light one of the things most familiar to us, most abundant to us, most intrinsic with both our existence and evolution but yet most strange to us. In a small remote corner of the then 19th century Germany, a young boy was chastised by his class teacher for being very poor in school works and grades, sentenced to a cruel destroying judgement was allegedly told by this class teacher he would amount to nothing. Later failed an entrance exam to a reputable tertiary institution though all the while was exceptional in mathematics and physics but generally had poor grades. Was awarded a Nobel prize in Physics in 1927. Young handsome amiable young man, dreamy with funny hair cut rather outre beards. An impeachable giant in the 20th century physics arena, developed the theory of general relativity and special relativity, known for what is regarded by some as the most popular equation. E=MC2 Which later lead to the invention of nuclear weapons which he blatantly opposed. A child thought to be failure became one of the greatest success in 20th century scientific world, his theory of relativity and the quantum theory [not his but he also contributed] are the two pillars of modern physics as we know it. He was Albert Einstein. Remarking on his academic struggles and failures he bemoaned an unfair system of education "If you judge a fish by it's ability to climb a tree, it will live all it's life believing it is a failure" Albert Einstein was a lover of Light and this love and curiosity about light fueled his profound game changing discoveries of physics that painted a rather subtle but interesting picture of the universe. He showed that the Speed of light approximately 3,000,000km/s is the universal limit, it is almost certainly unbeatable in the macro universe. In a universe with 3spartial dimensions plus time all equaled the constant [speed of light] His theories predicted the existence of Blackholes, detected to be littered through out the cosmos - one of these dark monstrous dark may lurk close by unseen and unsong. The nature of light we saw played a very loud string instrument in the nature of the universe. In a universe of random beats and songs there is one that is in constant harmony and pitch and that is light, a leader in the cosmic orchestra. In understanding the cosmos more "light" lends a hand of illumination, we must first understand the true configuration of our universe and it's relation with time. Are we in an open universe, boundless and limitless or a close universe? If there is a limited number of matter in the universe then we are in an open universe with a slightly curved nature like a horse saddle boundless and limitless leaping towards Infiniti But if there are more matter then we are in a closed universe, trapped within itself, condemned by fate to contract and light in this scenario is bound to the confines of the expanse. if this model of the universe [closed universe] holds true, it means light cannot escape the universe therefore our universe is most likely a blackhole since blackholes are gravitational wells that even light cannot escape, and also invokes the eternal cycle of cosmic causality - a universe of death and rebirth, end and new beginning thriving in the deep of forever. then mind bogglingly we are thriving in a blackhole that exist probably in a distinct dimension of space. That turns a curious mind to the blackholes that litter our cosmic arena, curious prospect photocopies of our self, prisons for light and matter alike. Light is gunning us towards cosmic realization yet still mapping out the limits and boundaries of our reach. Continued... |
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That's a classical example of a terrible idea..