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deeoh:
let say I believe your friend philosophical assertion then what? would that give me a better life... at times religion is the only way most people in here deal with their emotional prob. how many u think can afford a shrink. we all do some creative stuff in order to have a better 'stay' on this earth, one of it, to many, is the idea of God. so beat it!

Religious or irreligious anybody can live a very good and fruitful life, that is an independent path.

Of course you are right, mostly people tend to derive emotional succor from religious beliefs, its just like a drug - people would rather take the fantasy that makes you all cozy and warm instead of the hard cold truth.

I'd say the truth should be placed above what feels good and it even makes you stronger.

But it's not the intent of this thread to rid people of their religiosity, it's just a scrutinization of a human idea which i do believe is healthy.

every idea should be open to discussion, scrutiny and criticism.

Cc. Seun, teempakguy, SonOfLucifer

Empero1:
I have the exclusive right to defined my worldview, no apologies. Once more, I say I am a theistic humanist not a deist as you ascribed to me. Meanwhile, an occurrence like earthquake can never nullify the perfect posture of the creator, because such an occurrence always have an undertone direct or indirect human hands in them... example, in Japan where earthquake occurs regularly, should learn how not to occupy that particular enclaves where that happens... remember it does not happen in the whole on Japan, because if otherwise they would all be wiped out of the source of earth by now.

In summary, I maintain my stance that there is a sole creator and that there is not such deity as a devil, instead bad and good are creations of human beings since there is a gift of freewill for all. In the other hand, I say that the creator is just, so this explains while He does not need our praises or prayers, as such cannot be hold accountable for any bad occurrence. It is time we human beings start to look after one another and also start to take charge of our lives and of course assumes responsibility of our actions and inaction.

Earth quakes are as a result of tectonic plate movement and in no way the fault of the Japanese, volcanic eruptions are no fault of the victims of it's mayhem.

Blaming victims for the incompetence in perfection of a supposed all good loving and powerful creator who orchestrated an imperfect occurrence is the lowest of lows i can think of.

If there is such a deity in charge of nature then it is either malevolent, incompetent, unwilling to make a perfect world or unable.

Empero1:
@OP

Valid points you have. Foremost, I am a humanist theist - I believe in the existence of a sole creator who is "just." However, he neither need human's praises nor prayers, having given us everything we need to exist and excel independent of Him - a gift of freewill in particular can never put quantified.

Good and bad are the outcomes of our actions/inaction/decisions since we already have freedom. Therefore, bad in particular (evil/devil) is a result of our bad choice or action, this simply nullifies any thought of devil been a deity in existence independently.

The creator that goes by whatever name one may choose to call Him is one and I believe that we human beings are imperfect manifestation of a perfect Him.

The so called holy books, thou great books to some extent and written by some great medieval men, but He never inspired any of the books and non is His standard. ... I mean, a Christian faith proponent cannot tell me that the same biblical god that is assumed to be unchangeable inspired a supposed holy book that has new and old testaments with different standards.

Yes, someone like Jesus, Mohamed and their ilks, which different religious faith proponents reveres should be respected - at least for the sole reason that it is not a easily for someone either living or dead to have enormous followers as they do. But they are no gods.

Left for me, I would say they world should put an end to organized religion. I wish every other person there can uphold the philosophical principle of altruism.

This is more so deism not theism, and 'evil' as the argument presented takes the tilt of natural ills.

Humans attribute things that are of negative effect on our survival as evil and so this is a universe that is particularly hostile to life.

Earth quakes - are regarded natural evil, and for one to assert a deity who is responsible for everything in nature then how can such evil as earth quake be as a direct design from a deity defined to be omnipotent, omniscient and benevolent?

Deism always presents an argument with this particular 'evil' argument to assert an indifferent and uninterested deity.

Thus goes the deistic argument

'Is God in control of the cosmos, if by definition God is all good and all powerful then there cannot be hostility and imperfection in the cosmos since there are variance with the definition of God.

Is God then in control of some part then it begs the question why then is he caring for this and not this- speaks partiality also variance with the definition.

For so far there is imperfection and evil in the cosmos therefore there cannot be an all good, all loving, all powerful and all knowing God in charge of the cosmos or controlling it.

For there to be, then such a God cannot be all loving and all good since it is paradoxical to the nature of things therefore to retain the characteristics of God - God then must not be interfering or controlling any part of nature"

That is the sole argument why there is Deism [a belief in God that does not interfere with nature or human dealings]

Blaqsmith:
Unfortunately Johnny, people won't see reason with all the above sincere submissions.

They would rather die of their beliefs which have no modicum of reason and a pinch of evidence.

I tried making some religious explanations to some dudes in my hostel today and they were about to become hostile with me. They said I am affecting their beliefs and faith and I should be cautioned. I bled inside seeing how much humanity has suffered. Inside of me, I cursed the day the white missionary came to sell to us what we have no knowledge of, but then, I had to take a walk from them to prevent a situation where one will need a lawyer and another a doctor.

Like seriously, why would you hurt anyone because of your belief which has failed all scientific test to be considered true?
Shouldn't we respect humanity more than we respect beliefs?
#Sigh

It takes emotions to clutch on to subjective ideas. religion is one that thrives on deep emotions on the part of the poor masses, that is why it also induces a kinda of Stockholm syndrome on them -they would be abused by religious ideas but still will cling and defend it.

Such hostilities are expected as you have tickled one of the most emotional part of them, i advice you be more subtle in dealing with that.

I once had a discussion with one of colleagues at the office, i didn't outrightly dismiss his beliefs but the discussion so quaked his faith that he still complains bitterly about it till this day.

Is there an omnibenevolent, omniscient and omnipotent God - should they then be evil?

Is God willing to take away evil but unable to ; then he is not omnipotent then the above mentioned attributes does not hold sway and such a God doesn't exist.

Is God able to take away evil but unwilling; then he is not benevolent

Is God both unable and unwilling; then he is neither benevolent or omnipotent

Is God both able and willing to take away evil? from whence then comes evil?

An Omnibenevolent God would want to take away evil, an omniscient God would know every possible way evil can enter into the cosmos, an omnipotent God is fully capable of solving these possible ways; therefore since there is such a thing considered as 'evil' such a God that is Omnibenevolent, Omniscient and Omnipotent cannot exist.

Since the existence of evil is variance with the existence of such a God

If there is a perfect God, able and willing to create a perfect world and wants you to be in it, you should have been there already, there wouldn't be any need for a gross cruel test result which supposedly already known.

Assuming prayers worked, why exactly would you need to plead with a benevolent God to convince him to help you?

Why would you need to remind an omniscient God to help you?

Is God both omnibenevolent , omniscient and omnipotent, then Prayer is irrelevant, is prayer relevant then such a God is neither omnibenevolent, omniscient and omnipotent.

An omnibenevolent, omniscient and omnipotent God who still require prayer to function is paradoxical and cannot exist.

That is the paradox of All Good, all willing, all powerful, all loving deity presiding over an imperfect dangerous cosmos.

UyiIredia:
It isn't. Just because you say so doesn't make it true.

Just like you coining out a limit for the brain is blatantly ridiculous

There are common themes though which goes to cement the actuality of such experiences.

It breaks the experience to shambles, every religion in this world is similar in their themes of life after death and for the fact the experiences of the subject is always in coincide with their own convictions rubbishes such a story.

One cannot see a woman God today, another sees a man God the next day and another sees thousands of Gods and heavens.

these have shown to be fundamentally based on their own convictions therefore not independent of the brain.

Again NDE is almost certainly mainly prevalent in heart attack patients which study has shown at such situation there is a bombardment of information to the heart from the brain in a desperate attempt to salvage the situation.

Try all you possibly can, one truth stands out you cannot chiefly severe the relationship of the neurological system with every illusionary and even realistic experience.

Give it a shot

UyiIredia:
But you know that the brain is incapable of contriving such experiences.

says who? you are the one that determines limits for the brain, this is outrightly absurd.

the brain is fully capable and in fact is doing it.

The closest thing would be some drugs even then they of lack the depth of detail as NDEs. Besides there is some degree of consistency in experiences across board. Stories of seeing a bright light, experiencing a life review etc are common.

Stories always going in coincide with their religious background or experiences, an illusionary projection that cannot be detached from the confines of the neurological anomalies.

UyiIredia:
People's brain are deprived of oxygen and they go unconscious and experience exactly nothing. You won't say their brain was misfiring. Someone comes back and tells you he/she experienced something and you suddenly blanket all such experiences as misfiring neurons. It's disingenuous, isn't it.

It is a total misfire, any experience outside the brain cannot be recalled by the brain.

If you had an experience independent of the neurological system, there is no way same system will remember of such experience cus it was never part of it.

Such a person telling you of experiences outside the brain that somehow need the brain for recurrence is outrightly nonsensical.

A memory card can never play a music that never was downloaded or copied into it.

The brain cannot recall experiences it never had [only imagine]... so for someone to recall an unconscious experience, they need the brain and that is proof that such experiences are not independent from the brain.

They are all illusionary projections just like hallucinations, imaginations, dreams; these are all neurological imageries.

lordnicklaus:
I would like you to address the ignominies and opprobrius acts commited in the name of God. This thread needs your calibre of people, I mean smart thinkers.

God(s) has never been able to strike or kill anyone outside story books, it has always been humans who talk, defend, fight and kill for God.

If i happen to believe in an "all powerful" God, i'd be ashamed to speak for a God who cannot do that for himself, fight and kill for a God who can't do it for himself.

If God wants to kill someone let him go ahead if he can, if he frowns at sex let him tell the people involved not be confined to words written in a book that is sorely ideas of fellow humans.

Only a man made God would need man to make himself/herself/itself known to man.

The evil acts done in the name of God are acts of human selfishness finding an excuse and reason in a divine authority, that rids them of the guilt of their actions.

that is one disturbing thing about such beliefs and religion, Glorification of the absurd and justification of gross abhorrence.

Like up to 4 billion glorify and justify a man who was retarded enough to attempt murdering his son, in fact 3 religions was built around him [Abrahamism is simply a disturbing glorification of stupendous abhorrence]

blackjack21:
Bro, there's something greater than us, look at the universe and observe.
these things couldn't have happened by themselves, there's something behind them, whatever we choose to call it, god or not, there's something there, though he's not the nonsense they told us he's.

if I'm wrong, and he's what they said then I'm proudly a REBEL.

This begs the question "Is there something else greater than that thing?" because if you think there must be 'something' behind every existence then that 'something' must also need another 'something'

Yes?

Not an argument just want to stretch your personal cosmogony a bit..

Pdizzle:
[color=#770077]Finally, someone in my shoes. Ignorance is really bliss,

surely ignorance is, but knowledge is power and power comes with many thorns.

knowledge bring so many unanswerable questions up. Sometimes i just pray for a validation, anything, but the bad thing is you can't get out of this phase till you find answers.

That is the nature of all things, the more you know the more you find out you don't know and the more things needing to know becomes clearer

Agnosticism unlike atheism is not a religious standpoint, rather a knowledge standpoint, it's not even like you're sitting on the fence either, you just want these things to validate itself, It is well brother.

Agnosticism is broadly atheism because for one to agree the existence of God(s) is unknown or cannot be know, it is evidently clear that such a person do not believe the existence of God(s) already tendered from different cultures and theologies.

that is surely the atheist position...

lordnicklaus:
I am almost done with religion. I feel like I have been robbed or possibly duped of my freedom.
My sense of reasoning is beginning to tingle, even the thought of the so-called hell fire doesn't scare me. I have considered some things that are impossible in the nature of things and which betray the thinking power of a rational mind.
I have also considered the possibility that God allows sufferings just to prove Himself. Even the design of certain creatures shows that things including suffering and chaos were planned from the onset (speaking with the probability that God exists). Seriously, if you wanted a peaceful world, why would you give the scorpion a sting or give the eagle a claw? This actually proves that God knew that peace wasn't gonna last and that one day, the scorpion would need its sting to defend itself. If God exists, He should reveal Himself through easily grasped means and not revealing Himself to a set and leaving the others in doubt. I am not in the position to disprove God's existence neither am I sure of His existence. Theists would jump in now and say I do not have a relationship with the creator. A creator who plays deaf to prayers or blind to sufferings is not worth having a relationship with.

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I would like to know what you want me to address here brother, you have laid out your situation but i do not know whether i am to address it or listen.

I have privately went through this same journey [conflict of faith and reason] with many people right here from nairaland who reach out to me out of confusion and frustration that comes with loosing faith and i can rightly say "it's not easy".

We all at some point went through such lonely desperate trek, it takes great pain to rid one's self of what you have held as truth all your life.

So if you have anything you'd want me to address, ask i will tender my opinion.

Seun:
Those are probably just hallucinations. When the brain is deprived of oxygen, it starts misfiring. We know the experiences are not real because they are not consistent with each other. People's afterlife experiences tend to match the religions they have been exposed to, and we know that the religions can't all be true.

It is a neurological misfire surely, the brain in a desperate attempt to salvage the situation...

Dawdy:
Is it my fault if I refuse to accept bullshit? The only proof you have to support heliocentric model is gravity. Then I challenged you to prove gravity. You couldn't. Electromagnetism and other forces can be proven and practicalized. How come gravity can't be? Besides, let us be realistic, do you know how these things work? Have you done researched yourself? Can you observe them yourself? You don't own a telescope! Do you? Or you rely on people's speculations and theories to judge realities?

How can you be so sure that cartoon photos and videos you have been shown are the reality happens out there? With the so called thousands of satellite orbiting the earth, there is no time lapse video to prove it. Just Nasa cartoons have been shown all this while. How can any in his right sense
think we live on a spinning ball shooting through the universe at 490,000 miles an hour where the Milky Way galaxy moves with us and the sun? yet it doesn't tear apart, neither do we feel anything.

Prove big Bang theory. Tell us how something came from nothing. IF energy and mass can't be created or destroyed, then how/where did the Big Bang get its start?

I can but i just know when i'd be wasting my time so there absolutely is no need for me to.

THE ONENESS



Na Arean sat alone in space as a cloud that floats in nothingness. He slept not, for there was no sleep; he hungered not, for as yet there was no hunger. So he remained for a great while, until a thought came to his mind. He said to himself, ‘I will make a thing.’ -
A myth from Maiana,

Before heaven and earth had taken form all was vague and amorphous . . . That which was clear and light drifted up to become heaven, while that which was heavy and turbid solidified to become earth. It was very easy for the pure, fine material to come together, but extremely difficult for the heavy, turbid material to solidify. Therefore heaven was completed first and earth assumed shape after. When heaven and earth were joined in emptiness and all was unwrought simplicity, then without having been created things came into being. This was the Great Oneness. All things issued from this Oneness but all became different . . .
-Huai-nan Tzu, China [ first century B.C.]

"And all was unwrought simplicity" an echoing ancient voice of audacious profound realization, human myths and legends are giant leaps for mankind in an era marked by very limited technological advancement to probe nature but these pay homage to the versatile and what deep speculations a simple mind can deduct on it's own.

We live in a universe of remarkable complexity, outstanding diversity, randomness and chaos in full accord leading to evolving patterns.

But can it all be traced to a fundamental oneness?

A fundamental simplicity, a basic universality of all diversity evolving into differing bits.

Atom was first argued by Democritus, a Greek from the province Abdera.

when you are cutting through objects, it is possible because you are cutting through space between atoms, without this space objects would be uncuttable as the Atom was uncuttable - which literally is the meaning of atom [uncuttable]

He argued that the more you cut the object down to size more and more you'll come to the size of atoms which then will make the object impossible to cut.

He, Democritus whose name would crop up in subsequent chapters yet again believed everything was fundamentally made of uncuttable bits, that matter is the sole material of universal manifestation.

For example, He argued contrary to Plato's view that Mind was as a result of Gods putting spirit in man rather that Mind- thought, will are all defined by the mechanics of matter. that matter in a highly intrinsic finely derived arrangement is source of thoughts.

Atom are fundamental particles that gives distinct elements their characteristics and manifestations, the atomic configuration of an element determines it's behavioral tendencies - the shiny yellow glow of gold, the fibre feel of wood, the smooth feel of your phone while you read this.

Recent studies have revealed the astonishing world of the atom, the fundamental arrangements that makes everything. The atom is made up of Neutron, proton and electron the discovery of these subatomic particles reduced the nature of the elemental compositions to a humbling simplicity.

The differing arrangements of these subatomic particles makes almost everything.

The atomic world relies on a remarkable need for electrical equilibrium.

The neutrons, as their name suggests, carry no electrical charge. The protons have a positive charge and the electrons an equal negative charge.

The attraction between the unlike charges of electrons and protons is what holds the atom together. Since each atom is electrically neutral, the number of protons in the nucleus must exactly equal the number of electrons in the electron cloud to cancel the opposing value and derive an electrical neutral nature.

So in the configuration of the atomic chemistry

-An atom with 1 proton [which equals the number of electron] is Hydrogen.

-An atom with 2 protons is Helium

-3 protons is Lithium

-4 protons is beryllium

-5 protons is boron

-6 protons is carbon

-7 protons is Nitrogen

- 8 is oxygen

way up to the greedy accumulation of 92 which is Uranium.

In this emerging atomic song, a oneness can be noticed, a unity of all, a fundamental oneness in a magnanimous diversity.

It's almost certainly that a Helium is a hydrogen atom that gained additional proton [likewise neutrons] and thus goes for all the elementary manifestation known to man.

there is a unifying oneness derived in the intrinsic song of the atomic lot.

Two protons and two neutrons are the nucleus of a helium atom, which turns out to be very stable. Three helium nuclei make a carbon nucleus; four, oxygen; five, neon; six, magnesium; seven, silicon; eight, sulfur; and so on.

Every time we add one or more protons and enough neutrons to keep the nucleus together, we make a new chemical element. If we subtract one proton and three neutrons from mercury, gold is born.

The universe, almost all of it - 99% of the universe is basically hydrogen and Helium.

Are other elements somehow direct products or modification of the atomic configuration in these two universal fundamental elements or do they [other elements] somehow are derived from an independent origin.

To derive an equilibrium in the nucleus, a neutral charge must be achieved to balance the electrical repulsion, pieces of nuclear matter would have to be brought very close together so that the short-range nuclear forces are engaged.

This can happen only at very high temperatures where the particles are moving so fast that the repulsive force does not have time to act - temperatures of tens of millions of degrees.

because of this outstanding discovery of atomic reconfiguration only possible in very high temperature and pressure, our eyes turn only to one type of entity in the universe;

The stars.

Fundamentally huge bombarding balls of hydrogen with intense temperature and a self sustaining ability derived from the thermonuclear fusion that thrives in the core - where hydrogen atoms are being jammed violently to form helium atoms.

This gives an insight to the elemental births, stars are the nursing wombs of universal elemental soup.

The glows of the stars are due to their stupendous temperature - matter burning while singing the chaotic cosmic song that will determine the evolving complexity of the universe.

Except for hydrogen every element now manifesting universal are in a way chiefly products of stars, the poorer atomic elements born from starry nuclear fusion scattered into the waiting cosmos in the sad violent death of these stars [supernovae], heavier elements like gold, uranium are born in that violent explosions [supernovae] that produces so much energy as that of a starry life time in one sudden outstanding burst.

The more common an element is goes in coincide with it's simplicity in the atomic signature.

Hydrogen and helium are the most abundant with very simple atomic configuration.

Carbon, oxygen, nitrogen stable and steady configurations and thus it goes up.

I however speculate the universal elemental composition does not end in the earth manifesting elements that reaches an apex at Uranium or the man made unholding toxic plutonium but spans much higher though at a very small scale as the abundance of elements diminishes with the complexity of their atomic derivation.

You could imagine the primordial universe would be fundamentally simple with only hydrogen and probably helium [the simplest elements] present.

Then through gravitational interference these elements condensed and collapsed sparking up thermonuclear fusion and stars came to the new infant universe, lighting up the darkness of the deep.

Inside this burning monstrous lot, a universal kitchen or lab thrived where untold chaos birthed more elements - after a star's hydrogen supply runs out it begins to burn helium atom and heavier elements -oxygen, carbon, nitrogen etc are born.

Once the star comes to a sudden and violent end, it's elementary soup is scattered into the waiting deep, what was once a very simple universe of basic hydrogen and helium took a further step of complexity as it had gained more elements that would play more cosmic role in the evolving cosmic drama.

Because oxygen was born, the reaction leading to water was made possible, the more options of colliding causalities became more versatile birthing more complexity from a defying simplicity, an intricate diversity from a fundamental oneness

The atoms of these elements manifesting every corner of the universe are basically star born, the carbon in your food, oxygen in the water, nitrogen in the atmosphere, gold, silicon, carbon that are the building blocks of the biological chemistry that defines you, calcium in your bones, iron in your blood are direct products of a violent starry lab, a magnanimous offer made possible by their deaths.

We are, all of us - made of stars.

this will be like a toy as the robotic field [android] enhances and develops but it's a stepping stone to the future

I can give the church my monthly salary cheerfully

if the church gives me their collection of the month's offering....

Jesus of Nazareth must have been a man who strongly believed the world was at the brink of ending in his generation and believed he was the one chosen to usher in that new world.

I doubt if that was the statement of a drunk but a theological stand point of a man who had immense faith in his own personal convictions

Anas09:
Why call up Johnnydon? Is it because you can't defend yourself? You come up here lying expecting Johnnydon to help you out.
Well, Johnnydon, your disciple is in distress, come on up and deliver him. He is stock even with the super brain he acquired automatically as he became an atheist.

LOL.. You lot won't kill me abeg... Every atheist on this board is my friend not my disciple, i'm nobody's teacher. I am in fact the disciple here learning from all.

There really isn't any need for me to step in seeing the argument is something i wouldn't like to dabble into, mature discussions get my attention now not emotional infantile banters.

shame on Satan and his broods.

Amen oo shame on satan and his broods if any of them exist...

realmindz:
Don't mind those demon possessed people on nl, the kingdom of hell are already on NL, trying all they could to take down souls with them to hell, because souls are sweeter than jollof rice in hell. These guys are planning a big barbecue in hell. Christians should watch and pray because the end time is near as the bible said, even though the earth has been in existence several billions of years ago, the end time is really now and Jesus will soon come down riding horses from the sky without using space ship.



Jst watch how the whole world will see Jesus at the same time coming from the sky....(don't bother thinking how it will apen, it will jst apen)...

Then those who fall for the antics of these NL demons will be left one earth and stars will crash on them (yes stars bigger than our sun will fall down on earth, don't question the physics of how it will apen, u wan burn for hell? who be ur father?)


Christians! watch and pray

hahahahahaha Amen brother!!!

Chinexbagar:
That is why some things are mystery,but when you live your life and die and see god you should ask him the question

Mysteries are just things waiting to be known, most of the things we know now were once mysteries ...

ValentineMary:
From our knowledge of pre-biotic chemistry, we can actually get cell from a lightening. Why do I say so? if we are to take hydrogen, ammonia, methane, CO ₂ and energy and heat them up under high temperature, we would get amino acid. Pls not that amino acid is the building block of protein. Different protein is as a result of different amino acid sequence. So lightening can act as the enegy source. And also pls remember that our atmosphere 4 billion years ago was filled with hydrogen, methan, ammonia and carbon (IV) oxide. Also we can get organic matter like urea from the combustion of inorganic matter like ammoniun and CO ₂ ·

Certain prokaryotes like hyper thermophiles can.withstand such heat. Now can't these organic matter be attracted by electrostatic attraction (observing that cellular component are electrically neutral)?

Waste of time bro, waste of time... this is someone who still cling to medieval astrology : flat earth, aether, geocentric universe, static earth.

Complete waste of time, dont bother

Anas09:
Hahahahahahahaha intelligent, but not so intelligent when it comes to godliness.
Little humans, with their little brains, trying to fathom the Most High.

It is hilariously ironic that it's always the same people who say the most high cannot be fathomed comes back to tell you what the most high thinks, wants and likes..

Lilbrown007:
otemanuduno I Trust Na U Must Get Explaination To The Stuff But One Thing I Wanna Bring Out Is That The Guy Was A Player And He Even Laughed After The Girl Gave Him That Statement Cause He Also Don't Believe In Supernatural Stuff So M Not Sure What Actually Kicked In The Illness

Read in between the line of Otems explanation, he made a lot of hidden sense...

His first statement was gold

" There is this thing about witchcraft and the brain that I am trying to keep
secret, but now I will have to reveal it. There is a way our body and mind
reacts to what we have heard and then soon we will start seeing them coming
to pass."

It's called Placebo..

have you ever had an experience where you fear something perhaps sickness or anything has been passed to you and you start feeling the symptoms?

A thing of the mind, if your brain becomes convinced something is happening to you, it materializes.

It is also used in Faith healing, high level Buddhist monks also use it to heal themselves.

Now after reading the story, your uncle shouldn't have narrated to the herbalist about his dealings with the girl lets see if he would have gotten it right.

literally gave the con man a kola to chew

Ambjosh:
Yes..but if evolution is true, why don't we seem to be currently evolving? Why don't any other species seem to be evolving?

Because a baby does not grow up into an old woman in 3seconds, you have to stick around 70years to watch that.

evolution takes a very large scale of years, millions so how do you possibly hope to witness macro-evolution with a life time that is no more than a blink?

cokoduck:
you mean copy and paste

I don't open threads with copy and paste, far better than that

Ronpet777:
Dt was not d initial design by God.He made animals and humans perfect until d devil introduced his own plan.

This makes God a complete weak vulnerable planner here, anybody can just walk in and thwart the plan of a God that is supposedly 'all powerful' and these two still make any sense to you?

that makes the 'devil' more powerful than God, since he can just disrupt any plan of God, totally able to destroy God's plan and will..

what does that tell you?

After d sin of man,and Adam and Eve were sent packing,Evil found it's way in2 d world.Hence d evil people and animals we hv today!

There is nothing like an initial design of perfection, in fact an animal being harmless does not make it more perfect than the other..

This is a naturalistic web of causalities and events, a lion never at any point as a lion ate grass or was a breatherian [survived only on water] neither have any other organism on earth being like that, there is always a process, a chain of events complexly derived into a web-like pattern of colliding events.

Carnivores eat preys for survival, herbivores eat plants for survival and plants even compete for nutrient that leads to the annihilation of another.

It is a survival of the fittest, natural selection. Organisms able to survive the habitat thrives if you can't you go extinct.

That is nature.

there is no plan made specially for anyone in the web, we are all caught in that mindless collision of fate.

The goal is to survive and this is the number innate drive of every organism, do what you must to survive.

A mosquito will host on you to survive uncaring what becomes of you afterwards the same way you feed on the gentle chickens and goats to survive.

a scorpion or snake fearing for it's own life will take on the offensive and attack you, these are all distinct species caught in a web of shattering collision with everyone gasping to survive in a field filled with competitors.

I don't know why you guys need to conjure up absurd fantasies even when the reality is staring you in the face.

KingEtienneSky:
Smiles.... I can remember once telling you that your words are the type that should be written on marble. I stiill maintain that position, and I believe pretty much every sane person here will agree with me.

I admire your kind of personality and sense of judgement.... A mind so rich in wisdom, knowledge and understanding.

I'm fascinated by your life philosophy... and I believe I've got a lot to learn from you.

I hope to meet you soon.

Our paths may yet cross some day, i have met some people from NL directly and it was always a pleasant experience.

There is always something we can learn from each other, nobody is too big to learn or too little to teach.

Hop on to the 'Songs of the world' we are composing an orchestra ... Check my profile.

blueAgent:
Ingnorance is Blissful for you.

Scientist are unable to know the exact dimension of the Universe does not mean it does not exist. God knows the dimension of the Universe.

The same way the Scientist were ingnorant of the Shape of the Earth and how it is placed in Space.something the Bible declared thousands of years back.

I know you don't know ,about the three possible Shapes of the Universe proposed by scientists.

hahahahaha i never knew i was this ignorant.

Wow i am indeed very ignorant, a pupil hoping to learn from you brother... So after all said and done.

where is the north of the universe?

blueAgent:
Clown. If God can make Man to talk ,i don't see why it is impossible for the snake in the gardern of Eden to be able to talk.
with God all things are possible.

Bro you are being aggressively defensive for no reason, more like fighting with your own self.

I thought all i did was agree with you that the wisdom of man is foolishness unto God..

Hhmmm unless you are uncertain in own stance

A humble advice: Try reducing your usage of the word 'Clown' its very cliche and it will help you sound more serious and people would pay more attention to your assertions.

By the way i'm still waiting for North of the universe

KingEtienneSky:
No truer word spoken! If everyone were to have that kinda mindset, it would go a long way to solve MANY of our social problems.... You have quite the golden life philosophy (the kind of personality any sane person would wish nature had endowned him with), the very charisma that makes you so loved by many on this forum (I'm yet to see that one who HATES John Williams, and I wonder what sane excuse he'll have for doing so)... But you see, such beautiful, pleasant, approach to life is what many cannever manage, no matter how much they try.

That's a scenario very much reminiscent of Tantalus, the Lydian King who was a son of Zeus and a nymph. He committed unpardonable crimes against the gods by revealing secrets entrusted to him by Zeus, and by stealing ambrosia - the food and drink reserved exclusively for the divinities.

As punishment, he was condemned to stand up to his chin in water of a dark river of Hades, with the delicious fruit of a riverbank tree hanging from branches directly over his head. Everytime he tried to drink, the water receded from him just enough to thwart him, and no matter how he stretched and strained, he could never quite reach the fruit. Thus his eternal torment was to be permanently thirsty while surrounded by water, and permanently hungry while mere centimetres from the glorious fruit. All the time, he imagined that with a bit more effort he could attain the goals he craved, but his anticipation always went unfulfilled, thus multiplying his suffering.

It is from this tale that we get the word [size=16]TANTALIZE[/size] - to excite a hope but not satisfy it. I'm tantalized by what life seems to offer, espousing such philosophy as yours, but I can never quite reach out and grab that glittering and shining crystal of idealism because there're just some ideas people spew that I really can't stand!.... NATURALLY....

You are great with words and versatile in your thoughts, remarkable traits that is. Up till today i have never known the origin of the word tantalize, thank you for the lesson, I believe it will come in handy.

for your last words i must say i have seen you in action on a thread about 'Bible and science and age of earth' hard aggressive invectives flowing out like rap music.

I agree most times there conflicting ideas that are way out of line and triggers our deepest sense of contempt for ignorance, in as much as the ones harbouring such ideas are also known to be arrogant in their ignorance there is always an impulse to go hard and blunt, a tendency to condescend and belittle.

But i do not chiefly always blame them and i do believe we should always temper our criticism with kind words, none of us comes fully prepared or all knowing..

But we are imperfect in our dealings, we evolve and grow but at intervals we also slip.

blueAgent:
Your wisdom aswell as Human wisdom is foolishness before God.

I'm sure it is thats why we all know it is wisdom to think snakes used to talk and foolishness to think otherwise.

You are correct my bro