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lepasharon:
I'm craving stone soup

Pretty simple.. Work after working and getting paid, thank God(the magic stone) for the pay

Good this is good, straight from the horse's mouth. . . Islam is consonant with Igbo.

People are leaving religions in their millions converting to Islam is like hitting a brick in broad day light..

HardMirror:
Fear of death is not a human thing, it is a living things problem.
Even an ant will run away from death. But oddly all living things embrace death when they have something to protect (except cowards of cos) an ant will stand to defend their queen even to the point of death.

Life is really just a big circle. We live to die. Reason why we should not take things too seriously. At the end the earth will perish, life will start all over again. Maybe the most intelligent life forms that would evolve out of the new earth will look more like present day cockroaches than present day man. Who knows?

But one thing is sure, this present life -earth is on a path to destruction. One day in some billions of years to come, our sun will die out and that would be the end of this life as we know it.

It's all a circle.

Johnydon22 what you say

I'd say exactly same thing i said on frank317's thread, there is nothing to fear in death, there is nothing to fear in inexistence.

We have been dead for countless number of years back, we are alive now which is like a blind in a cosmic event, we'll be dead again after this little blink of life…

So there is nothing to fear about these chain reaction of uncaring cosmic play.

It's both ego and greed that compels men to clamor for more life when they have not yet finished living the one they have..

..Humanity is so vulnerable that we leave that which is in front of us to chase after that which we do not have or know but a figment of our imaginations, thoughts and wishes.

the above quote of mine holds true for our perception of death.

Haven't you noticed how the word "Death" gives rise to different philosophies of hopeful realities to many.

-On one hand some speculate we do not really die but transcends and then gets reborn and live again and so it goes in a circle.

-Another suggests we do not get reborn but some thinking formless needless part of us continues somewhere else.

-Plato suggests the body is a prison for the soul.

Where as all these philosophies are profound and hopeful, i also call it greed, selfishness and a product of an unmatched ego wielded only by the human mind.

Humans have that egoistic tendency of deluding themselves to be the most important part of the universe..

That is why in this deluding ego they see themselves as deserving to live again but not every other animal or living thing in this earth that also live as they live and feel as they do.


-Just how important are we in this universe?

More important than the stars? Without the stars we won't be here but without us they were, are and will be.

More important than the plants ? without them we won't be here but without us they were, are and will be.

So how exactly are we more important, why do we prize ourselves the most important part of the cosmos when we are so deplorable and expandable that the cosmos won't even notice our disappearance.

So many stories have littered the course of human philosophy on the eventuality of death.

So many wishful hopeful fantasies has been conceived to give hope and comfort to the human mind when faced with the inevitability of death.

-We shall see again in paradise
-we shall be reborn again
-we shall make merry in Valhalla

amongst thousands of such tales.. I do not know how enticing these stories are but i know the greed of a human mind makes them comforting as nobody would like to imagine the absoluteness of the end of our being.

That to me comes from a short memory cus just a little journey backwards whene we were not here, imagining inexistence won't be far fetched.

We have been dead for an infinite time backwards, now we are here and we will soon be dead how then can we not imagine our the state we were before coming to this?.

I really understand the reasons why all these stories crop up in the human mind, why all these philosophies and emotional clutch to a comforting tale defines a huge part of our belief

It is because of the vulnerability of our being.

Being that almost certainly we are probably the only species amongst all in this planet that know at a very young age that we would die one day.

This knowledge of our inevitable end is somewhat like a burden to us .

I doubt that other species Chimpanzee, dogs , elephants even though alive as we are are fretting over an afterlife or performing rituals to earn a place in paradise or somewhere else outside the cosmos.

No they just live in the moment.

With all these stories filling the gap left by fear, vulnerability of our mind, we yet have no evidence to support these fantasies.

I do not claim to have knowledge of what happens in death but if anybody, person or book claims to know, they are both lying and fraudulent.

Because they do not know.

We are so concerned by what we want to be, by what we wish for that we forget and pay little mind to what we have which is NOW

So isn't it better and more noble we forget all these stories and focus on what we have and where we are which is Now and Here

Here and Now are the most important, certain aspect of it all, make them count and don't waste them chasing after a vague shadow of an uncertain wishful fantasy.

SirWere:
The Devil must always be at hand....


For how else will one explain deaths, evil events, accidents, natural disasters...

Not Autospies, not by studying events related to it, not by examining the roads and the cars, not by looking at the weather patterns.....

No, it must be the "evil ones", those who "do not want you to suceed".

No, it must be the devil......


Humans; we always place blame on things other than ourselves...

Never accepting responsibility; always shirking it to God(s)....

The day we start accepting our faults, we start moving forward.

These are thoughts though consonants with reality has been preserved in the philosophy of man from the earliest stage of man's rational enquiry into his world.

As i highlighted in 'the songs of the world

So in the course of this overly uncaring and uncharted cosmic events man
kept seeing weird manifestations.

-A lightening could have zapped down one and instantly kills or injures him.
If there are these powerful beings that affects us and give us good things then
how possible was it that they now harm us?

The other rational and logical way around that should and must be to these
early humans; there are two types of these powerful beings that affects us.
Some of them are good that they give us good things like fire for our warmth,
rain our drinking pleasure and plants, fruits for our betterment, a friendly
sunshine, a bright day and good breezes to cool our body.

But what about much more aggressive events that seem more likely aiming at
killing us, what about that angry fast flash from the skies that would almost
certainly kill you,

or the quaking of the earth that doesn't know what is dear and what is not?

what about that strange illness that just happens and kills one of us?

what about great floods that render us homeless and floods our caves?

they couldn't have just happened for no reason at all.

No. it was very unlikely that these events be related or from one source, they
cannot be from the same beings.

They must be then evil powerful beings that would harm us just like they are
good ones that wants to help us.

Cc. lalasticlala mynd44

Jadonjack:
Johnny, so you stay in that area?! I stay very close to the place as well

I live in Enugu, most certainly differs from the one you are referring to

"it was the devil's handiwork"

I find this one of the most irresponsible, sick, idiotic excuse ever given in human history, a very dangerous line of reason.

Last weekend a man of almost 40 raped a 13year old in our area, he was caught and as the police kept him in cuffs for all to see both him and the little innocent traumatized girl he just defiled.

He kept ranting "Please it was the devil's handiwork"

It got to the point holding back was almost impossible, i had to say out loud for everyone to hear

The only devil whose handiwork i see here is you and walked away both saddened and ashamed.

Ashamed for the animalistic level of human irresponsibility, knowing fully well that this was the most common excuse for perpetrators of despicable acts in our society especially one as starkly religious and superstitious as Nigeria.

such show of irresponsibility is a shame to the human reason, a blatant idiocy employed by a deceptive culpable to rid himself of both the blame, responsibilities of his actions while heaping them on an escape goat almost certainly an 'inexistent devil'.

It is even an equally wicked act as the one committed in the first place.

It is a sad reality, one that is heard almost on a daily basis from every corner of our society.

Never for one moment trust such a person who would blame something or someone else for his own actions such a person can kill you and blame it on something else

It was not the devil's handiwork, it was your action.

-If you act stupi_d, it wasn't the fault of a vague 'devil' no where to be found, it is because you are too stupi_d to stop yourself from doing stupi_d things.

I have looked at the human world, i have seen how man affects both himself and others around him and i can say:

The only angel there is or can be to other humans or species in this planet, the only angels capable of healing this planet is Us, humans.

The only devil threatening to rip this planet apart, the only devil to others and himself is us, humans.

Our actions are a direct result of our own wits and volition, not a grand puppet work by a devil.

Blaming the devil for your action is both wicked, shameful, irresponsible and disturbing.

It is always easy to notice the 'blame' chess in human play.

Most times blaming the victims for the actions of the perpetrator and most infantile blaming a vague abstract concept for the actions of a well sane human.

That is most absurd

- the devil did not build nuclear weapons, humans did

-the devil did not rape that girl neither is her dress the cause, Rape is the fault and responsibility of the rapist.

-The woman killed by Islamist was not because she insulted islam [that gives nobody the right to murder another]. The killers are sorely 100% responsible.

I have looked around and found a society in dire need of saving, a society gasping for breathe, a world where danger and disaster lurks and breezes.

the only threat to this planet is not Zombies, vampires, Devils, God(s) rapturing or destroying the earth or any other tales of Apocalypse you may assume.

The Only threat to this planet are humans who also deludes himself with the victim mindset of his preconceived fantasies and foes .

Man is a victim to no one but himself.

Only man can be either an angel or a devil to himself while at it remember what any line of action you choose to trail is neither the work of a God or the fault of a devil.

there are actions of your own making and a responsibility of none other but You

dorox:
Let me clarify what I meant to say in my previous post. Every theist including myself believe that everything was created by God.

I bolded the word Believe to clarify the weight of that opinion, you believe you do not know.

So it is still the same method of filling a gap left by ignorance with 'belief'.. that is a mark of uncertainty because belief in that context is an affirmation of uncertainty but yet the will to accept I don't know is lacking.

That to me is a mark of ego, unable to agree ignorance when it is surely there.

Where some of us differ from other theist is our belief that God did not accomplish his creative work through magic but by logically expressing his power. So when someone says God did it, to me it is as useless as saying an engineer made the Airbus A380, I would like to know how it works, the principles behind its enormous jet engines, the materials used to construct its extra-long pair of gigantic wings that does not buckle under its weight, etc.

For an engineer to assemble the Airbus A380 the materials needed were already existing, most even older than the engineer.

the engineer did not materialize the materials out of nothing by talking to it, he rather configured the already pre-existing natural materials to meet his own desired end.

'knowledge' further more always has a foundation, an inspiration. You just cannot know something when there is 'nothing'

so there cannot be design when there is 'nothing' and again no such a thing as 'all knowing' when there is nothing to know in the first place or any pre-existing inspiration.

e.g: to get inspiration behind the design of aeroplane, it is the natural manifestation of 'bird'

so if you assert 'God' a designer of the universe then the materials must have been pre-existing before then and again an inspiration already in place.

To assert a deity that materializes the universe by 'speaking or vomit' connotes magic not design..

Further more here you are trying to explain nature because of it's intrinsic manifestation with an even more intrinsic value that somehow needs to be specially exempted from causality and the design allegedly complexity suggest.

I believe that God did everything and that with the passage of time we will continue to unravel more of the mysteries of the universe. And it is also my belief that the mystery of the very birth of the universe will forever remain unknown to us due to the fact that we are a product of the universe.
For the most part our difference is of a philosophical nature rather than scientific I think.

'belief' if we rowed on such a boat of uncertainty, imagine if science worked like that.

'I believe the sun is silicon' instead of probing to eventually 'know'

'i believe the earth is flat'

No my good sir such blind leap of faith is dangerous to our intellectual evolution, does not even answer the question rather but makes one feel good with assumption, substitutes 'gut feelings' for what is true.

and more severely prevents one from probing to actually ascertain the truth of the subject since 'belief' already filled that void.

This has always been the story of human intellectual development, the sad strive of science always dispelling 'belief' tried to be pulled out as truth, deductions based purely on 'gut feelings' than empirical grounds.

Like Heinrich i quoted above does he, in fact, do any thing more than substitute for the darkness of his own mind, a sound to which he has been accustomed to listen with reverential awe? "

this was the sad truth of great minds of the past like Ptolemy, Aristotle, plato, Newton limited by their employment of superstition at the limit of their knowledge.

Ptolemy could not understand the planetary motions he invoked God (zeus) to fill that gap of ignorance and that terminated his curiosity since he already thinks he got the answer.

Newton came along and answered the question, developed calculus, theory of gravity and motions and explained so well the natural mechanics behind the motions of the celestial objects.

then he came to the problem of solar system stability, he got to his wits end instead of simply agree and accept ignorance therefore leave the door open to further his probe and find out.

He invoked God tolling the same line Ptolemy did, placing 'God' at a place shielded by a curtain of human ignorance.

showing God(s) as a projection of human ignorance.

Leplace came along, solve the problem of solar stability and when asked where God fit in simply answered 'sir i have no need of that hypothesis' because he had figured out the natural forces and interactions responsible and there was no 'god' needed or any necessary.

The answers newton got canceled the 'god' of ptolemy, Leplace canceled the 'god' of newton.

Now we are faced with the problem of 'universal causality' a place of scientific blindness yet and we are already hearing 'already conceived answers' based on 'gut feelings and beliefs'

god did it

Again placing god at a place of scientific ignorance, if that is the only place God can be invoked in order to be relevant then like Neil Digress tyson said "God will always be an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance" getting smaller and smaller and irrelevant with more discoveries.

I rather suggest my good sir "we agree and accept ignorance at places that we lack knowledge [mark of intellectual humility and honesty] and in that throw open the window of discovery.

Let us throw away the whole notion of 'belief' and try to find things out and derive certainty

urahara:
Has anyone ever wonder why we know quite much on the progression from ardipithecus to the homo sapiens but no information is known on the evolutionary history of chimpanzees for 6 million years

donffdd and cloudgoddess may help us here

HardMirror:
Beautiful.
Makes one imagine the beginnings, how men perceived life when there were no tools or scientific parameters to understand life. All we could do was muse and use our imagination. It was the beginning of a higher enlightenment beyond survival on food and toils, Man seeking meaning to his existence.

Correct brother

Ifeann:
cry me a river

LOL... Alright thank you

geoworldedu:
This one gidi gan o.

On earth we are using COMPUTER to store trillions of information without even needing to touch some of them. Sometimes we speak to our computers and things are being done. Guys do you know that in heaven where god is sitting on his throne, where Muafrika2, Kingebukasblog and Joagbaje will be judged, they still don't know how to invent hi-tech machines. I can't imagine when I bought an exercise book to be writing things inside sef, where my tab dry with me?

But see the heavenly city where Joagbaje will be judged. Imagine what they are still using to store information:

Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, [size=16pt] and books were opened. Another book was opened,[/size] which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.

See the mumu god sef, instead of coming to the earth to buy just one I-pad, the guy still dey make use of books, IMAGINE, THE BOOKS WERE OPENED. The guy had to write inside many books instead of using only a single IPAD of ordinary 1 megabyte internal memory. No need of external memory sef.

since it's only letters they're writing, it won't take much memory.



Hardmirror, Johnydon22, Hahn, Otemanuduno, Keandre, Ranchoddas, Kingebukasblog, Malvisguy, Ebiagtales, Philfearon, come o, food Don set

The truth is Gods are always what humans say they are and every human society differs in technology and value expectations.

As man developed his Gods became increasingly more human and tend to be a perfect reflection of man.

Examples
-Man has a lustful need and admiration towards gold, gold is no more precious than every other element out there but the mind of man derives value and arranges things in order of how he loves or needs them.

Automatically since man loves gold and finds it the most precious of all, Gods too loved gold.
Don't you see heaven is a city made of gold and precious stones? Man's idea of precious metal is at an apex in gold so obviously he couldn't think of any other metals the gods could use more precious and beautiful than gold.
The bible is always talking about golden crowns, sashes and harps, its strikingly remarkable that the gods are also limited to the lust and value of that which man lusts and values.

- the era when these books were written was starkly primitive compared to now, there isn't any means of data storage better than the scrolls.
it was the peak of their information technology, so how can one from such era imagine a computer?

Of course the Gods must have been using paper.
One apologetic on this thread as usual wanted to re-imagine it this time to mean e-book therefore a computer necessary.

he forgot one thing

-The writer of the revelation also ate one scroll an angel gave him, you just can't eat an e-book believe me i have tried..lol.

- he is now re-assuming it from the technological stand point of his time, soon it will still change. future technology and information technology will be more advanced and better than ours.
then it will have to be reinterpreted again.

Humans say what and how the Gods behave which always reflects their own society and views.

-in the bible heaven was still using horses, swords and chariots.

this was because it was written in the era this technology ruled, it was fabricated by a mind only familiar with those crude techs.

if anyone comes out now and say the heavens are now using cars, planes and guns then sadly the heavens are dependent on man to develop and shows man and the gods are always developing together.

man is always modifying his Gods to suit his time...

Xenophanes (6th century BCE) famously
said that if cows and horses had hands, "then horses would draw the forms of
gods like horses, and cows like cows".

Anas09:
O yes. Am sorry goes a long way to solve whole lot of problems. But some people can't say it. Why?
Am sorry flows out of my mouth like tap water. If that's what will solve the problem, ok. Am sorry you hear? Biko.

That is cus of pride, they become too ashamed to apologize...

Pride and shame are not opposites, people do think pride negates shame so they tend to replace shame with pride.

But truly pride is the source of shame, true humility is the only antidote to shame/pride.

Scholar8200:
These three words - I am sorry- would prevent a lot of calamities.

A gentle answer deflects anger,
but harsh words make tempers flare.
Proverbs 15:1

Very correct and also mean it when you say it... true talk brother

Ifeann:
islamist

This is wrong, you all take this Islam/Christian thing to a whole new infantile level.. its absurd.

I am absolutely sure posting someone's pictures violets nairaland rule number 10

10. Don't violate the privacy of any people e.g. by posting their private pics,
info, or chats without permission.

Lalasticlala mynd44 this stuff is way out of line

Dawdy:
God is the creator of the universe (if there is anything of such) and you weather you believe or not? It will be clear to you when you die if you don't believe now. Even Quantum Theory Proves That Consciousness (soul) doesn't die.

Alright thank you very much, i appreciate

dorox:
I am as adversed to invoking God as a place holder for knowledge gaps as anyone else, I think it is borne out of intellectual laziness. So while it is true that our capacity to learn and to discover new things is as limitless as the universe is limitless both in size and the mysteries it contains, I also think that because we are a product of the universe our understanding of it will never exceed it as long as we are confined to it. That is the reason why I think the laws of physics breaks down the closer we get to the moment of the big bang. So the only time I invoke God is when the discussion is on or just before the birth of the universe.

Yet still you are still invoking God as the placeholder for ignorance, that same thing you are accusing others of.

We may propose a "intelligent being (God) hypothesis" but it must remain within the confines of a hypothesis and also we cannot employ special pleading like exempting this 'God' also from causality and need for design cus that outrightly means we can then not consider pulling of such a hypothesis in the first place.

You say you only invoke 'God' at the place for the 'birth of the universe' this is still the same act of 'God of the gap' argument.

You or i or anyone else do not know what or how the universe was birthed and so now that we have reached a climaxing point of our knowledge when our mind is being disturbed by this humongous uncomfortable ignorance.

You choose to invoke 'God' to fill the answer instead of simply just saying I do not know.

I think that is intellectual dishonesty my brother and such invocation of an uncertain assumption to fill a gap of knowledge is consonant with science.

In science you must be comfortable with admitting ignorance, you must be humble enough to agree i don't know rather than trail that same line of intellectual laziness i'd also say intellectual egoism like you rightly pointed out at the start of your post.

Paul Heinrich Dietrich, Baron von Holbach [1770] once remarked:

" If a faithful account was rendered of Man’s ideas upon Divinity, he would be
obliged to acknowledge, that for the most part the word ‘gods’ has been used
to express the concealed, remote, unknown causes of the effects he witnessed;
that he applies this term when the spring of the natural, the source of known
causes, ceases to be visible: as soon as he loses the thread of these causes, or
as soon as his mind can no longer follow the chain, he solves the difficulty,
terminates his research, by ascribing it to his gods . . . When, therefore, he
ascribes to his gods the production of some phenomenon . . . does he, in fact,
do any thing more than substitute for the darkness of his own mind, a sound to
which he has been accustomed to listen with reverential awe? "

This is exactly what you are doing here bro

HardMirror:
Well it is possible life has no purpose, by the way I am not interested in the purpose of man. I am more interested in if life has any high purpose. Even the life of an amoeba

I'll be arriving at this on my thread 'Songs of the world' sooner or later..

Muafrika2:
You should have joined your brother yesterday for that game. You'd be sharing in the curse too, since you are too attached to him that you fight his battles.

I am not in the business of proving myself to shadowy people online. Seriously, turn away from me. You are an annoying young man.

If online squabbles affects you like this.. Then seriously brother you are on a long thing... na im be say na die deh hungry you

otemanuduno:
but I have pasted d cards later na... I saw the MTN and pasted them. OK no p. Monday.

No i no mean make you post my own for here, thats a luck game and i'm always busy ... Just send me my own share personally to my email address directly naaa ... Johnydon22@yahoo.com..

1kjobs:
It is God's will. It is her wish that she went through all that pain and agony just so his name can be exalted.

Jehovah is the greatest. Bless his name

RIP to the girl

If i am Jehovah now i'd use slap and reset your destiny

otemanuduno:
There isn't anywhere I cursed you. But you cursed me and my generation but instead of the curse materialising, I am just getting blessed front and back. Favour from nature is just locating me right, left, front and back.

Come bros you never send me the thing for my email naa

mii4u:
atleast Rihanna exist , dats wat I mean

i noticed you didn't reference thor too... The laws of nature exists and that's what imaginarily you lot anthropomorphically regard a god just as i imaginary describe rihanna my wife

rawgame:
The sin of the people of Jericho was the same as all the inhabitants of Canaan – they worshipped idols, we're immoral and did evil in the sight of God. Canaan was defiled by its inhabitants(Read Exodus. 23:23). Some of the evils that they did are listed in Leviticus 18:3-27.

God brings punishment upon nations for the evil that they do. Because Israel did not obey God but turned to idolatry and did the same abominations in the sight of God as the Canaanites, the nation was dispersed from the land. This is described in Psalm 106. That the punishment was national and not individual is shown in the saving of Rahab and her house(Hebrew. 11:31).

A Canaanite was one of the twelve apostles.(Matt. 10:4)

hence it was ok to kill them? wipe out an entire race just because they don't worship same thing you do?

Honestly i cannot understand how your minds work, this is disturbing

Is this not the same crime a muslim would accuse you of before murdering your asss in a Jihad and you'd be the person to shout foul.

How are you lot any difference from the Muslim jihadists when you all support violence and murder for the same reason

I thought everyone had the right to worship any god they wanted? so God is now as petty as commanding people to kill others for not worshipping him?

what then is the difference between the bible God and biblical revelation beast that resort to forceful coercion to derive conformity?

China do not worship the same god as israeli, lets test the power of the bible god outside the bible, israeli should attack china.

mii4u:
but u can't imagine Wat doesn't or have never existed ? The power of imagination must have a source

That means i'm married to Rihanna then and i have the powers of Thor

otemanuduno:
so E Don turn one day now abi? me think say na instant judgement him dey give people ni o

@Johnydon22, all d mtn wey I buy, just now I just discover say den Don disappear na Glo, Etisala and airtel remain for now. maybe tomorrow sha, I go go buy the MTN again...

Just send me the one weh you like give me directly to my email Johnydon22@yahoo.com.. make eagles and hawks no descend on am here abeg

otemanuduno:
Johnydon22 I dey come na.

see eeehn i no deh use etisalat na MTN i deh use.. and my own go be private make another person no wash hand chop my kernel..

He is powerless long ago, but his words still lives in people. That word of his is the god(satan) disturbing d life of people wey dey serve am. From one deliverance service to anoda till they die. Saw his word losing grip in ppls life all over the world, so that word(bible) is now dead.

up to 2billion still believe in the bible, how so is it dead ?

GROWING MAN continued.. (Politics and religion)


Politics and religion are all offshoots of the ever growing society, there is need for order in a system of distinct individuals coming together as one societal lump, different individuals of different migratory origins must live together and the societal order must be maintained for the continuity of the society and the well being of the units found within.

The Mesopotamian Gilgamesh epic narrates a passage in the second tablet of the epic, a profound poem that captures eloquently the developing morphing society of the new human world.
Captures though in some sense as most ancient myths, epics and legends go even though with a pinch of unresolved historicity the evolutionary transformation of a political era.

Enkidu was bred and born in the wild, grown amongst the beast of the wilds, ate and behaved like these wild beasts who were like close kin to him.

shamhat a woman captured in the epic with the representation of a seductress, introduced through her whim the beast-like Enkidu to human food, to new humans of herding men from whence Enkidu got his first taste of human interaction, civilization and tuned in a little the human part of his nature.

He was informed of the hard ruling strong king of Uruk [Gilgamesh was the strongest man in Uruk and so naturally lead the entire city]
Enkidu was infuriated by the stories of Gilgamesh's dealings with the women and girls of the city and ventures to the city resolved firmly to be the liberator of the people from the strong gilgamesh…

Having engaged Gilgamesh in an epic fight of smattering magnanimous like, he finally gave in and accepted the superior power and strength of Gilgamesh who maintained his right to rule but strangely out of respect to his opponent's strength and will [toughest he ever saw] sparked up an amber of friendship between the two men"

Epic of Gilgamesh

This story captures the early stages of human politics in a literal sense, power to rule rested sorely on strength and ability to subdue and subject others to your leadership but most times also are acts of collective conformity from these people who in a basic sense would find a shield in a leader stronger than anyone else so projects strength and protection for such a community.

More still the story can be given an allegorical meaning [of books] Enkidu this time given the representation of early man who evolved and grew among other beasts of the fields in the wilds as close kin and neighbours.

Seduced through the skimming wiles of curiosity into a more detached being from his kins [beasts of the field] became civilized and evolved to what may be represented civilized man.

More look at other ancient societies could also throw a light on the development of politics as it evolved from basic enforcement and paddling strokes of a society to a more intrinsic and deceptive tool it is today.

Example of such a world can be found in the ancient igbo society…
A world where your achievements speaks for you, your deeds raises your dusts, places you amongst the ruling class and elites.

no wonder an Igbo adage says Nwata kwocha aka osoro okenye rie nri [ a child who washes his hands well dines with the elders]

Affirms that even though old age was held in high esteem in the society, your personal achievements can place you in that elite level even before you age.

Age without achievements was scorned in the society and male youthfulness without strength and brave deeds was compared to that of a kitchen bound female folk.

the young men took delight in taking great risks and venturing into daring tasks, like getting a human head during a war-time with a neighbouring clan, bringing down great beasts of the wilds like elephants, lions, tigers.

You'd then earn your place amongst the law makers, decision makers and respected figures of the society.

This to me is a basic example of how the very birth of human politics would look like, the society looking towards the strong for protection which could have started from all male folks then a distinction slowly emerges as some male folks would out weight others in strength and achievements then slowly as man advanced the great elites of ruling class are intimidated, subdued or willfully coerced into subordination to the strongest of the class as vividly captured in the mesopotamian tale of strong and mighty Gilgamesh esteemed ruler of early Uruk.

_ In the same sense religion had a rather more philosophical, natural, emotional essence but all packed into an intrinsic order by the society.

As we have seen in the early chapters, superstition was a child of human enquiry, a profound emotional projection of uncomfortable ignorance leading to an almost eloquent rationalization of the natural world distanced from the confines of nature.

The Gods were anthropomorphical representations of weird natural manifestations that bore a mark of ignorance in the minds of the curious and troubled man.

Every nature occurrence got an anthropomorphical projected being behind starting from the

-stars
-moon and sun
-fire
-lightening
-rain
-thunder
-land
-waters
-earth herself

Almost every bore a severe cruel whip of a question (?) thus in that very itchy state of unmerciful ignorance man sorted out answers for nature and so arose superstition which would accumulatively through the course of it's development in the collective hand of a societal order evolve into religions

So to say in essence Religion is in essence a child of superstition but derived and constructed by the shivering hands of an order-ridden society.

Art developed way older than man's society as early men has been found to have decorated his cave dwellings with highly amiable art works from few scratches to a beautifully intrinsic drawing ranging from plants, to wilds beasts and ultimately human figures.

Art also became incorporated into the fabrics of man's piety as it became a sacred practise, triggers a religious feel and the new developing man was ushered into an era of intuitive thinking after in a surface scratch touching the analytic mode later in the course of history he'll still go back to.

Religion and politics are twins birthed by the society, derived from different inspirations but ultimately gunned towards same goal.

Politics enforced a human authority to subdue and draw the members of the society into line while religion thrive on 'divine' authority.

A method of supernatural policing chaired by the Gods themselves and professed by the ever growing industry of the priestly class.

The human Gods left the basic sense of causalities behind natural manifestations and rather became more of an authority concerned and interacting the with the happenings of everyday order of the society.

-Piety was needed
-rituals developed to become more extravagant out of simple reverence for nature

The Gods became more political themselves as man himself developed himself into a political being.

The Gods vied for mundane kingdoms and possessions of their own ever readily professed from the ringing unnatural tone of the mystic priestly class.

" TIAMAT, their MOTHER Became troubled by her Children The GODS.
Her Still Depths became agitated By all their Actions.
APSU could not calm the GODS, TIAMAT became angry.
Her Children, The GODS Had become overbearing.
She could not stand Their clamor.

At this, APSU, Father of All the GODS, Summoned MUMMU His Servant.

Together they further Plotted Against the GODS. But The GODS Overheard their Plans And began to lament their Fate". Enuma Elish

Coincidentally or rather remarkable a chance it was the Gods became increasingly political as man's political endeavour and enterprise increased.

they also engaged in war-fare as later portrayed being a culminating outcome of the event highlighted above in the enuma elish, also remarkably just as man had evolved to engage in war-fare.

What thought at first was a projection of higher entities behind our everyday fate became more human than humans themselves.

Monotheism also evolved from deep within this bold table of uncharted Gods and higher entities though chiefly monotheism even though a child of polytheism was simple a work of a society finding a better compatible half in a god above all his/her other counterparts.

The Enuma Elish as ancient as it is has a scholarly consensus that it was not sorely a work of man's projection of divine attribution, an original theme bore a sorely natural swim that later developed into anthropomorphical representations and finally after the totality of the world the God Marduk was elevated to the chief position amongst hundreds others, giving it now rather a more theological standpoint than a naturalistic leap at explaining the cosmos.

It would later influence younger tales from younger emerging cultures like the first poem of the genesis creation account found in the Hebrew Torah.

Here in lies the evolution of the society in deriving both order and piety associated with intuitive edification and man's leap to tap into the an emotional grasp of the cosmos.

Man and his God's evolved together, little wonder Paul Heinrich Dietrich, Baron von Holbach [1770] remarked:

" If a faithful account was rendered of Man’s ideas upon Divinity, he would be obliged to acknowledge, that for the most part the word ‘gods’ has been used to express the concealed, remote, unknown causes of the effects he witnessed; that he applies this term when the spring of the natural, the source of known causes, ceases to be visible: as soon as he loses the thread of these causes, or as soon as his mind can no longer follow the chain, he solves the difficulty, terminates his research, by ascribing it to his gods . . . When, therefore, he ascribes to his gods the production of some phenomenon . . . does he, in fact, do any thing more than substitute for the darkness of his own mind, a sound to which he has been accustomed to listen with reverential awe? "

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And you just had to mention me before the card? For peace to reign just give me own oo i'm not joking!!!

Anyway very weighty announcement you've just made, tell me what exactly killed the God in question?

you did?

Eddygourdo:
many million years ago, the meteorites that brought the seas , plus the mega volcanic eruption that caused the world to freeze up , killed all life forms existent then. Yet we have humans today and other animals. This haappened because lifeforms adapted at microbial level. And lived throughout in the ice, just as we would discover on mars very soon. When the earth began to unfreeze. The microbial lifeforms true to natural laws of natural selection and genetic mutation started to evolve from these differnet microbial lifeforms existent in those areas to suit the environment. The microbes evovled over millions of years into the diverse animals and plant life you see today. Everytime the world faced a catstrophe like the type which wiped off the dinosaurs, life will return to adaptive microbial forms in a dormant state till conditions improve to allow regeneration again. Current human life and animals will all be wiped off in any catstrophe as that has happened more than 100times since the existence of our solar system.

Anymorre questions sire ?

So why do you think such life forms survived during such catastrophic event and how do you think they derive their food?

And how exactly are you comparing such miniscule catastrophe to the removal of the sun from the equation.?

oglalasioux:
The sun is the core of a larger star that exploded 4.5 billion years ago. The debris of that star is what formed our solar system. The weight of the sun on the fabric of space is what governs the motions of the planets and therefore life itself. The nuclear fusion going on inside the sun will continue for another 9 billion years. So don't worry. The sun ain't going nowhere yet. In 9 billion years, mankind will find a way. Never worry.

It's just a mind juggling "what if" he's not really asking because he's worried just wanted to find out the possible events or turn out if it happened...