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Teempakguy:
wow . . .

man, you should be a philosopher.


However, I have a few questions about jupiter being a failed star.


how much more mass should it have accumulated before it became a star? and if it did, what class of stars would it be in?

I knew this boy must juggle me with questions welcome brother

Anyway twice it's current size with sufficient mass, it could have passed for a brown dwarf.

With 4times or more the present size, sufficient mass it could be a low mass star, massive enough to sustain a fusion of Hydrogen atoms.

Proffdada:
nice
some stupid atheists will find it difficult to understand

Honestly, these are some kind of things only those as wise as you are can understand and believe.

You are very wise brother, keep it up!!!

UncleSnr:
Ehe... I can now take chill pill.

Hahaha episode 12 coming in soon too

nicedas:
It will be an atmospher filled with joy if any christian can prove to me the reason why they are christian and why they pray the way they pray. First of all i am a muslim seeking for more understanding in the opposition religion which is christianity. As muslims our forms and manners of prayer are done anonymously attributed with the way prophet muhammad and other prophets did which is prescribed in the holy quran. Lastly and more importantly can any professor in christianity quote a verse where jesus or even any other prophet prayed closing their eyes singing or even dancing. Thanks.

If religions be opposition to each other then if there be God or God(s) could we then make him/her/it or them opposition of themselves or each other too?

The planet earth has shared mosques, churches and temples for years, can't the God(s) figure that our humanity is religion enough for us.

If there demand more piety in us than being just humans and sort after uncanny piety and separations in the name of religions then in my opinion The God(s) or God has asked more than we can give or should give..

KingEbukaNaija:
Atheists have the tendency to be oblivious to facts that dispel their delusions . According to various researches , Islam by 2050 will be the dominant religion in the world . Atheism will obviously die out because atheists tend to keep small families or are contended without procreating .

Does this make sense to you ?

That's good news then don't you think, there is absolutely nothing to worry about. Let's simply wait for atheism to die out soon...

We'll drink beer to that... lol

Calculus25:
The earth will never stop spinning

Almost certainly untrue, given enough time the earth will in response to some factors loose momentum and slows down more and more that it could even get tidally locked.

just as the sun will never go off because it's designed that way for a purpose

Another wrong assertion: Yes the sun will eventually go off, its a star and stars die.

The sun shines due to thermonuclear fusion it's core [hydrogen atoms fusing to form helium in a powerful nuclear explosion contained in the core] eventually the hydrogen supply will run out and the sun will burn helium to form heavier elements and thus gets larger [becomes a red giant] by then mecury, venus and possibly earth will be encompassed [even if earth is not it will be a charred glowing ball]..

slowly the sun will die as it's shells shed off the core will collapse into a small white dwarf.

. You think it happened by chance? No . It's designed that way. If you were travelling on a deserted county road and saw a lone abandoned house, Would you think that it appeared there by chance ? or did someone design and deliberately built it there?

You may want to visit the drawing board again

Being religious is not synonymous to being moral, morality is about "actions" not about beliefs.

It's a human institute birthed by societal expectations and should be fueled by Love, compassion, pity, sympathy, family, concern for others other than selfish religious reasons.

Religions idea of morality is basically a form of coercion, employment of a threat and reward system, if you are good because you want to make heaven, it's not goodness in essence since your intent is for the reward and not because you care - that is selfishness.

If you are good because you fear and want to avoid hell, still not goodness since the reason why you are doing it is because you just want to save your own skin and avoid punishment - that is selfishness not goodness.

be good for goodness sake, it makes the world less an assshole.

it is hardly goodness if human ethics are roped around such greedy coercive religious concepts - though i agree some humans needs to be on a leash to be ethical.

But if we humans cannot find reasons to be good to others [like Love, compassion, concern] but need to be coerced and threatened by hell and heaven into being good then humanity is a sorry lot indeed.

Morality is neither muslim, Christian or Hindu, Morality is human. it belongs to no ism and neither is it dependent on any book, creed or supernatural for foundation, it has a human foundation.

wirinet:
Johnny, i am not just impressed with your scientific knowledge, i am even more impressed by your creative writing. You remind me of Issac Asimov. I read a lot of him in my younger days. You also have the writing style of James A. Michener. Have you read The Source by James A. Michener. It is very similar to this your write up.

Thank you boss, have not read "The Source" or any work from James Michener but i'm going to do so ASAP...

I have noticed threads with "atheist/atheism" are now more frequent than ones with "god/religion" on this board.

that's encouraging...

Episode 11

Smattering tune of drums buttered in the whistling blares of a mastered flute cooked to make a fine meal of melodious music, the noisy clatters of little cymbals, bangs from drunk merry goers oozing from the creaky tired tables as they banged their clenched fist on it complimenting the tune of the music while their feet and head danced away feverishly and the sparkling foam of malt-bear gleaming at them.

Girls with long satill skirts dancing, their long legs vaguely visible on transparent materials they wore, tiny fabrics of cotton finely done from the very heart of sumer, materials of green braided in gold threads covering their breasts as their drove the men wild with their twists and turns.

The air smelled strongly of ale and tobacco, waiters ran busy with orders from every corner delivering huge pints of ale, mugs of beer to the ever impatient customers.

It was a week rest day and as it usually goes every tavern in Edom sold to their very last brew of beer and ale, people sort relieve after a week of struggles.

In the boarder heart of Derul out on the western land of edom the tavern of Jerkenbel thrived live with activities, shouts could be heard from every corner and men with filthy beards drank with reckless abandon spilling beer anywhere they could spare.

The music kept many on their toes, some feminine figures lingering in the shadow with long lashes darkened by the dark juice of a edel flower, long gold earings jingling with their steps, flimsy materials covering their mouths as they sort after eager men with good pay for the night.

the week rest day was always a busy one for the country harlots, they made double the money they'd make all week in that single day.

"Excuse me lovely lady do you have time to spare?" a man - huge and swollen from alcohol would ask in an uncaring baritone croak.

"Only if you have gold to give" they'd reply the prospect customer

In the corner of the tavern two men sat talking with mugs of beer littering the rusty looking wooden table, they were whispering peering their eyes through the stuffy room that stank of both alcohol and sweat riddled in fine tobacco.

Sorting the maze of random figures of dancers another man, tall with dark hairs and well groomed beards wriggled his way out of the mesh of uncaring dancers lifting his huge pint of ale to save it from spilling.

Joining the two men on the table he dropped his pint with a bang and dumping his weight on the wooden chair which gave out a complimenting creak.

"It's being long fellas?" he greeted beaming down a broad grin.

"Welcome Bildad, yeah we have missed your company" The stout one with blond hairs replied.

"Thank you Zophar" Bildad said.

"How was your trip to Nineveh?" the other one asked.

"it was fun all the way Eliphaz, Nineveh is a city you all should and must visit soon" Bildad clapped out in excitement.

"I always heard that city was lit" Eliphaz said almost immediately.

"Surely it is, i almost forgot my purpose of going once the sparkles of the city life got hold of me" Bildad said laughing.

they all laughed and clanged their alcohol containers in a merry cheers, these were the three friends of Job.

Eliphaz- short and fat with a gluttony problem, Bildad -tall and well groomed with an always smiling face, Zophar - small and stout with weird blond hairs.

they have been friends with Job as children, they'd take their father's sheep to the hill country to graze, Job's father had the least number of sheep and they made fun of Job when they came to the hill country.

While they counted their sheep in hundreds Job came with his father's 96sheep always praying the pregnant ewe would deliver soon so their counts of sheep may at least get up to a hundred.

Their were good friends none the less, scouted the country side together for greener pastures, played dodge on adolescent girls of their age in the city, hunted for little games to eat for fun and were close door neighbours.

Job always was the least noisy and outgoing of the 4 band of troubles, there was this one time he got caught by Old man Ren while they were stealing his apple in his small dirty yard, Zophar, bildad and eliphaz had sneaked away before he could take one step and old men Ren's hawk precise eye caught him instead.

"Take a look at that woman standing there" Eliphaz addressed his two friends, bildad quickly removed the pint of Ale from his gulping mouth.

"which one?" he asked.

"that one standing near the window" Eliphaz replied gesturing forward with his face. On a shadowy corner of the stuffed room, a tall overly fair harlot lingered with her lower face covered..

"you are referring to the harlot?" Zophar came in

"Yes that one"

"what about her?" Zophar asked curiously peering into his friend's face.

Eliphaz paused a bit took a large gulp of beer and then stared back "that's marul" he said.

"which Marul?" Bildad asked.

"Job's wife Marul, how many Maruls do you know?" he replied impatiently.

"what the.....!!!" came a surprised Bildad.

"I always thought that harlot looked somehow familiar" Zophae chipped in.

"What's Marul doing here as a harlot?" Bildad asked seeming lost.

"So you didn't hear about Job's ordeal?"

"I did, caught a whisper of the news in Nineveh"

"ehee, after Job's strange and sudden ill fate, Marul couldn't bear it any longer, she left him and came out to the western province where she now lives as a harlot, you know Marul loves money more than life" Eliphaz whispered.

"By Baal's balls!!!" Bildad yelled with his hands flying to his head mouth wide open.

zophar rather wore a grin of mischief.

"I think we should pay Job a visit, he was our friend remember. we should go and see him" He suggested.

"You are right" Zophar said.

"I heard also" Eliphaz who always was the gossip came again " i heard Job's ordeal was a punishment from God, rumour says amidst all that pretence of being a righteous pious man Job must have done something terrible to deserve such horrifying fate"

"they might be some truth there" Bildad nodded.

Zophar got up immediately after taking a sip of his beer, straightened his creased robe and made to go off.

"where are you going? Bildad questioned

"to get my share of Marul's honey of course" he smirked mischievously.

"What?, by baal's balls she's our friend's wife" bildad said in disbelief.

"She was, now she's a harlot. I have always dreamt about that woman now here she is delivered in a platter just for a few gold coins" Zophar said and strode stylishly towards the window corner.

..Continued in next episode..

Cc. UncleSnr seelurd

Story of Job continues.... Sorry for the break guys, Nigerian nepa has been hell and 'Songs of the worlds' has been taking a lot from my little spare time these days.

It's a hypernova, think supernova but bigger

Lilbrown007:
For Someone To Be An Atheist They Must First Think Critically To First Find Out That The Religion Stuff Is Bullsh*t

This isn't always true... not all atheists are critical thinkers and not all became atheistic by critical thinking..

otemanuduno:
johnydon22(have you seen the stuff?), l

No sir just checked my email, sure you sent it to Johnydon22@yahoo.com ?

UncleSnr:
Another abandoned project

Nope i'm gonna continue sorry to disappoint you its not abandoned...

THE SHORES OF ETERNITY

And God said "Let there be light" and there was light
Genesis account, Jewish creation myth

First there was the great cosmic egg. Inside the egg was chaos, and floating in chaos was Pan Ku, the Undeveloped, the divine Embryo. And Pan Ku burst out of the egg, four times larger than any man today, with a hammer and chisel in his hand with which he fashioned the world.
-The P’an Ku Myths, China ( third century)

When Rev Father Georges Henri Joseph Edouard Lemaitre, a catholic priest and huge natural philosopher with special fields in cosmology and astrophysics -when he proposed what is now known as the Big Bang theory, he first called it hypothesis of the cosmic egg or the hypothesis of the primeval atom.

Sir Isaac Newton regarded by many in the scientific world as one of the most brilliant mind to grace this earth, the formulator of the famous calculus, theory of gravity believed in a static universe, eternal and unmoving.

Albert Einstein -who formulated the theory of relativity shared this Newtonian view of a static and eternal universe though mathematical calculations has shown that the theory of relativity falls apart in a static universe.

Fr Lemaitre who had a view of an expanding universe reasoned "If everything was expanding then there must have been a time when all this started to expand, if you rewind the event back in time you'd get to a point when everything was packed into a very small point"

The cosmic egg, a hatch of universal causality.

The Big Bang hypothesis was first faulted by some in the scientific field with the ridiculous excuse that it sounded too religious, forgetting what the discipline of science is in so doing.

Versatile and encompassing, giving an accommodating chance to every idea in it's quest to discover what is.

Forgetting that religious myths and explanations were built on the prevalent scientific knowledge of that primordial era of human intellectual evolution.

as Carl Sagan rightly put it These myths are tributes to human audacity. The chief difference between them and our modern scientific myth of the Big Bang is that science is self-questioning, and that we can perform experiments and observations to test our ideas. But those other creation stories are worthy of our deep respect.

More over there is nothing i can think of that triggers more the deepest emotion, intuitive, poetic part of man more than the cosmos, an awe striking reality, nothing pricks the religiosity and spiritual sense of man more than peering into the world he is part of and in.

The cosmic egg hypothesis was one of the most important cosmological leap of man in understanding the universe and it's origin though it is still far from answering the mountain of questions still bugging the mind of curious man.

The hypothesis postulated predictions based on the mathematical calculations.

- First the basis of the hypothesis was based on universal expansion, the universe was on a jolly ride within itself, everything is racing away from each other therefore if that event is to be taken back in time it proposed that there must have been a point when all was in an infinite state of immense energy which burst like the name implies 'a cosmic egg' that has gotten enough of uneventful incubation.

..In 1929 a young Astronomer Edwin hubble with the aid of the mount Wilson's telescope calculated the red shift of distant nebulae and concluded that there were drifting further away us.

This doesn't imply that the earth is the center and everything is moving away from it, means that every galaxy is moving away from one another with the more distant galaxies moving faster than the nearer ones, if we were in another galaxy somewhere in the virgo cluster, we'd still observe other galaxies as if they were running away from us.

To explain what redshifts are in a simplified sense, light travel in an electromagnetic spectrum, the wavelike travel of photons are responsible for the different variation of light manifestations.

Now the redshift is a measurement of the visible spectrum of light [colours] when two objects are near, the light travelling from one object to the other will have shorter wavelengths therefore will appear blue but the farther these objects get from each other the more stretched the wave becomes and the spectrum leaves blue and become red and redder the farther there are.

so the spectral wavelength of these distant galaxies are measured to determine their redshift. [to be discussed further in the coming chapters]

The foundation bases of the big bang was confirmed, an expanding universe.

-Another prediction of the big bang was the background radiation - since the universe as we know it, was started by a rapid outburst of energy that lead to rapid inflation and expansion of space can almost be likened to an explosion but basically distinct.

It is expected that such violent burst of energy must leave traces, remnants of the burst like the colourful showers of light after fireworks..

there ought to be remnants of these deep dark cosmic firework, a radiation that should be left behind everywhere.

The Cosmic microwave background radiation was discovered in the 1960's lending more weight to the Cosmic egg [big bang] cosmological model.

If you run the model back to the point it all began, there was a point when there were no matter - at least not as we know it now.

the universe was a very small point of intense density and temperature called a singularity which then burst open in a very violent inflation that triggered an expansion.

If one had observed the bang there wouldn't have been anything to see or hear since light was not created at the big bang neither does sound propagate in space.

it would be like standing in the shores of forever seeing nothing and hearing silence.

the temperature cooled as the expansion progressed allowing the formation of subatomic particles from whence the simplest form of element in the cosmos formed hydrogen which is the building block of universal elemental composition.

Gravitational effects on this abundant supply of hydrogen formed the first stars, the universe was lit, matter now burned and light was created.

These Adam stars were so large and rather care-free in their usage of the hydrogen supply which wasn't infinite but had to run out along the line.

_stars shine by a process known as thermonuclear fusion, a process where hydrogen atoms are fused to form helium in the core of a star, this fusion produces immenwe energy and heat that it is almost frightening.

Every second in a star up to a million or a billion nuclear explosions happen contained in the star core [the seat of both light and energy in every star]

stars are basically extra-large, extra hot nuclear bombs.

and with more gravitational song played the universe became more intrinsic, galaxies formed.

Now the Big bang theory having tendered answers in explanation of the observed facts of nature does not still sate the undying curiosity of the cosmos like

-what was before the universe?

-what triggered the universe?

-what exactly is the universe?

-was this big bang the only there is or was?

-what is the fate of the expanding universe?

These questions are as critical to us as knowing ourselves since they bring the knowledge of ourselves closer to us, the more we understand the universe, the more we understand ourselves since we are no more different from the universe.

We barely understand 'what exactly the universe is' there are many places to which our enquiry is yet to poke hard enough.

The theology of the Hinduism religion is one that always has a cosmological tilt, a mesh of superstition buttered in clear thought out, profound cosmogony.

The Hindus propose a cycle of existence, reincarnation, death and rebirth.

From animals to humans to the universe and to the God(s) themselves, the most impressive part of it all is that when most theologies and myths talked in thousands of years Hinduism talked in cycles spanning billions of years.

To them this universe has undergone series of rebirths in coincide with the divine dream duration, these very ancient ideas though old are awe matching and pays tribute to the utmost alacrity of man's curiosity.

The consequences of the universal expansion is one that is poked with an eye of uncertainty considering the variables to be considered.

_in the first instance the universe may expand forever if there is a critical amount of matter in the totality of it's composition thereby meeting a cold fate, a state where everything is so far apart gravitational grip is severed, the stars cannot form at this stage and the universe will grow dark and cold.
A cruel fate of cold and dark deep, seeming nothingness of something in an oblivion of darkness.

_But supposing there are more matter in the universe then gravitational grip will eventually prevail slowing down the expansion and eventually stopping it then sets the universe on a reverse course.
everything will crunch back together .
If this be the case then almost certainly the big bang was not the start of the cosmos neither was it the only but the cosmos rather can be reconciled with the Hindu idea of death and rebirth.

The big bang would not have been the start of the cosmos but only a rebirth, a reincarnation of a dead universe.
The cosmos then is a cycle of unending existence..

we then must be seating on the shores of eternity

To be continued...

Truthman83:
I can safely say I am an ex christian now. It's not been easy but I am convinced inside of me. @ifenes How does the matrix work? @Johnnydon22,If God is everything,who is the christian God and what does Satan represent. @Immorttal,how does black magic work and what exactly is it? Thanks

God is everything is a spinoza concept of God, equating nature as God.

As per the Christian God, it's a masculine deity from the bronze age pagan isreali society, its a personal God [ a god that is represented in form of a person basically humanoid]

Such deities i disbelieve, though mostly attributed with the creation of the cosmos by their believers but such God(s) are too small for the cosmos

Satan from the Christian terminology is a deity but a counterpart of God, a personal force of evil and adversary.

onetrack:
I am an atheist, but I have no argument against pantheism or panentheism. They are philosophically acceptable positions, in my opinion.

Pantheism is still watered down atheism that has found better more awe striking use of the word God.

its just a way of coining the word God as another name for the universe [everything], equating nature herself with divinity.

which is in fact still broadly atheism...

GrizzlyBear:
Please I would appreciate your contributions.

Cc
Neocortex, loj, Johnydon22, SidL, Cloudgoddess, platteon

every other person here has said it all, what can i say to make better sense brothwr

God is all that is everything, God is the universe: That's the idea of Spinoza God... God that constitutes everything from the tiniest strings to the biggest galaxy clusters.

God is nature [i very much agree here if we represent God in the spinoza sense]

God becomes a nurturing womb for everything, our cause and our doom and us since we still are not inseparable from God [nature] which is in fact us and everything.

It's still a watered down atheism that found a better use for the word [God] that needs to become more than just a nebulous authority of divine anger, wrath and judgement if it will continue into the future.

God is everything and everything is God, we are part of God.. A Oneness of all and a difference in this Oneness..

lordnicklaus:
I must admit, the bolded has also disturbed me for a long time that I have also begin to ask questions. I see myself asking questions I have been afraid to ask for a long time and my peers would be like hey dude that's blasphemy or they give me the you can't question God hypothesis which I kind of loathe cos I know I got a lot of questions on my mind. I even go ahead to cite scriptural instances of people questioning God and receiving an answer immediately cos I need to calm the raging storm of questions that has ravaged the shore of my seeming unshakeable faith...... But I still continue to hope that there is someone I can depend on out there and He is willing to listen to me when I pray......... But taking sides with one person over another is a seeming fabrication by the people who claim to have been chosen by Him.

Our progress should be judged by the depth of our questions and the sincerity of our answers and our willingness to accept what is true and not what feels good..


Theology when answering questions do not tender answers to satisfy the question but rather give answers to satisfy the questioner, so philosophy is more about what feels good and not what is objectively true.

Like you said above " you'd continue to hope there is someone you can depend on out there and all..."

yeah that's a touching and profound hope but to me the truth makes you stronger and more independent, and also more willing to accept you own abilities.

One look at this universe and planet earth, it's objectively impossible to think an all loving, all benevolent entity is in charge of these things unless i've got the definition of "all loving and benevolent" wrong…

it is impossible to miss the glaring truth that God(s) are always what the people worshipping them want, people always say what and how these God(s) are.

Never trust a person or book that claims to be the words of God(s) or knows the will f God(s), it is always in coincide with the ideas of the person or author

lordnicklaus the scriptures are relics of a distant past, relics of a curious past when science could be said to be at an embryonic stage.

these were all works of human enquiry, the ancient sumerians accurately calculated the orbit of Jupiter thousands of years before any book of the bible was drafted [imagine if such awe striking scientific fit is in the bible, people would have thought that's evidence a deity told them these things] but it's untrue, these were all humans, with the same brain and curiosity as us, they studied nature around them like us, only lacks in means, limited in their reach.

What we know is built on the foundations of theirs.

I admire these ancient works, i recognize them as noble works of human enquiry and i use them often [Check my thread Songs of the world - you'd see i use these ancient codecs Enuma Elish, bible Pan ku etc] i recognize them as piece of human ingenuity that also deserves as much respect as every other human idea.

but i also recognize the limits of these men, their simple, eloquent, poetic, rational but mostly naive world view.

it is rational for these people to think pillars held the earth [ like the bible thinks] it is rational but also naive, overcoming naive impressions to find out what is true is the ultimate objective of science and what it should be

lordnicklaus:
Have I ever told you of how much I admire your philosophy? You are the brainiest atheist I have ever come across on Nairaland. I know a little about Physics though but I love the knowledge you have on the subject. More grease to your elbow brother..... Well, as you know, we theists search for scientific principles in our religious texts just to justify the infallibility of the self acclaimed sacred texts and to give proof of the omniscience of our supreme Deity who inspired such texts. The only time a scientific principle could be coined from our sacred texts is to consider them in their original languages, and with this some have come to realise that translators faulted in some areas and have not accurately transmitted such texts and as a result, doubts have arisen........
Also, the men who wrote this scriptures were primitive. Joshua, for example thought the sun stood still not knowing that the earth's rotation was responsible for the seeming movement of the sun. If this miracle truly occured, I believe God just stopped the earth from rotating but those who witnessed it thought the sun stood still. Miracles as such do not occur in our time but superstitious people usually attribute scientific or natural phenomenons to the cause of a Deity. Like the tetrad lunar eclipses which occured around 2014/2015, people believed signalled the end of days because of a prophecy in the bible.

While I might not be superstitious, to say that there is no ultimate cause of all things is just too extreme.....

Oh there is a cause for everything as we know it but the question is what is it?

the truth remains we simply do not know YET..

that it is a conscious humanoid who loves the smell of burnt flesh, gets angry at humans and helps humans kill each other is ridiculously outrageous.

Have you ever wondered just how big the cosmos is? the milky way alone holds billions of stars and planet, a galaxy so huge that the sun and earth are no more than dusts on it.

and there are billions of galaxies most larger than the milky way all floating in the cosmic dance.

there are more stars and planets than we can quantify

and people would think the creator of these whole universe, comes to a remote corner of the universe to an almost irrelevant star and almost non existent planet and start helping microbial organisms on the planet to find their keys, gets pissed off when they masturbate and drags glory with them, takes part in their wars and loves some desertic goat herders than others.

That's a little bit more than any rational mind can swallow, these God(s) are simply too small for the cosmos.

davien:
[b] With over a billion nerve cells in the brain all interacting together at once and responding differently it's just not possible.. .. it would be the equivalent of asking you to explain 100% accurately all the molecules in the air and their individual interaction with the earth to produce the weather..

A feat which in real life makes weather forecast constrained over longer periods of time.

So as the example, perception and things like ideas are the far-side that we know neurones produce but find it tasking to point the exact process.

Even without knowing every neurones part in perception it's been determined the regions of the brain where things like fears, conscience and many more come from, something the ancient Jewish theologians believed comes from the heart... yes the heart that pumps blood.

So the lack of understanding of this is not sufficient for a plea to the supernatural or anything else but our own ignorance.

The million bucks is just a red herring, irrelevant to the question entirely.. . merely a bait for fans(like the op) who follow his line of thinking to chatter on about the wager. [/b]

It's not really about explaining something to someone, it's whether such person would still agree after you have explained.

or they still won't agree since they already have a preconceived answer they want to hear..

so there wasn't really any need for you to have bothered, it's a total waste of time....

they asked for an explanation, now watch an argument start..

hturb:
hahah whatevr u claim evn if it can be brken down into subatoms as I've clearly seen,that doesn't prove the point that its nothing...

Alright brother it's obvious you just want to argue [even it means arguing with the wrong information and ignorance] you just want to protect your beliefs, i am not on an attack against beliefs here.

so i cannot help you, i suggest you humbly seek to learn first before vying to discuss, mind you i said discuss not argue.

But as it stands now i cannot help you

rawgame:
Main Entry: dimension
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: measure
Synonyms: aspect, bulk, capacity, element, extent,
height, importance, length, magnitude, mass,
proportion, quality, range, scope, size, thickness, time,
volume
More synonyms

And i was right, you basically argue on premises you have no idea of, you think Dimension as defined by English language dictionary is the same context such word is used in Physics..

what were you thinking my brother using an English dictionary to define a physics value, i suggest you take it down


dimension of space in physics is the minimum number of coordinates needed to specify any point within it.

Please it beats me why you all need to argue from ignorance instead of first trying to know instead of rushing into arguments.

sometimes it is better to keep quiet than to talk, when you talk you say only what you know but when you listen you learn things you don't know.

hturb:
seriusly I think u read to much ...Lemme address all what uve just said because u claim we thiest are always speculating...u claim if the universe is in a state of nothingness with no cause or effect,thermodynamics,or force of gravity..I'm wondering if I'm confused,hw can u claim a universe has nothing then particles pop in and out of existence of nothin,pls where are the particles coming frm because they hav to cum frm sumwhere ryt, [size=20]last time I checkd atom is the smallest unit of matter[/size],so of course since its a unit its alife and not "nothin" ,I also wonder when the universe will actualise d certain critical amount of matter cos I'm still waiting for another bigbang..aint all dese also speculations?

When like 200 years ago? You really need to check again my brother cus the atom has been split so many times that it is now common to do so.

Like i said it's obvious i cannot help you here since you don't even know atom is not the smallest unit of matter but yet derives a stance of argument on things you don't know.

I have nothing to add.

thehomer:
Right on all counts.

I just have some spare time and have decided to poke these religious folks a bit. It used to be the case that they would accuse non-believers of just dumping quotes from scientists. Now we have religious people who just dump articles and when pressed, find themselves unable to defend the article.

Its mostly sad when you don't really understand the scientific thesis you used...

there is another thing i noticed that is laughable, theists open threads trying hard to reconcile scientific facts with their religious texts.

you see threads like 'Science agrees with the bible' where they try hard to reinterpret religious texts to mean what they want.

when you open such a thread you'll still see a situation when evolution comes up, the same person who opened the thread will be the same to say science is nonsensical and irrational propelled by the devil..

outrightly deny and talk down on the same science you are begging to agree with your religious texts.

it's hilarious

most of these arguments are based on emotions and gut feelings rather than intellectual curiosity and honesty

i disagree with some things you said, there shouldn't be any president and vice here both are equal members of the homo sapiens species.

some feminisms has gone way extreme that it is completely irrational, i once saw a documentary on a feminist group that think 'men are everything wrong with the planet'

i totally support women rights and equality

but we must all bear in mind, true equality is not the superiority of the female folks and subjugation of the men, but equal status of both men and women.

urahara:
Lol. .

Johnny is not gnostic o. He is also agnostic.


Johnny and hardmirror , come and see o.

Dejideji1:
Oops! alright you are welcome

I find the position of Gnostic Atheism and Gnostic theism irrational and emotional.

There are no empirical substantiation for the existence of God(s) and sadly such vague character is almost certainly cannot be scrutinized in the empirical sense.

so you simply do not know or can never know if such a thing exists or not just like you cannot vouch if there is no house of clear cut diamond somewhere in the universe.

You just have no idea and never can.

to assert such unproven hypothesis to be absolute truth is not only irrational but nonsensical to also assert to be absolutely certain that there is not such thing is likewise nonsensical.

those are positions of EMOTION than intellectual probe.

urahara:
Why ? wot nonsense

No vex, i am quite enjoying this too

urahara:
Johnny , why have u stopped writing in italics , just curious

One mod like that chop me ban on top that bold italics matter