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joseph1013:
Some have argued that since everything else is subject to quantum mechanics hence gravity should also be the same otherwise many inconsistencies will develop. I am just wondering how we can go about quantizing it.

Quantum gravity is a hard 'theory' in modern theoretical physics, While classical view on gravity is based on Einsteins works the theory of quantum gravity is directly a child of General relativity and the quantum fields of the curvature of space time.

This two theories theoretical physicists anticipate points towards the actualization of a Quantum gravity..

Basically the quantum characteristics of gravitational fields.

Can you elaborate on specific use to which we have been able to put this information into use?

The true nature of Dark matter is still yet elusive to us, we barely know up to 0.5% of what Dark matter really is.

We only detect it's gravitational effects and it's distortion of light pathways.

With calculations leading that it reaches up to more than 28% of the entire universe while ordinary matter (every type of matter we know of) is barely 4.8%.

Since we cannot yet understand or know what dark matter really is (hence the name 'Dark' which implies 'unknown')

We cannot categorically give instances on what we can achieve with it technology-wise.. We may speculate like

-A better source of energy if we can harness them.
-Prospect propulsion system for faster space/travel **Sci-fi speculation though**
many things if we let ourselves jolicate in the euphoria of dreamy speculations and expecting assumptions.

But in a broader sense every discovery reveals the universe more to us, sharpens our senses more to the reality of what is and leans humanity towards quenching the very thirst that has bugged it through it's history ' the history, origin and true nature of our reality'.

ValentineMary:
Hy guys I have been thinking what if the universe is just like an atom compared to some other organism out there

This is a brain quaking philosophical/scientific speculative question. Come to think of it.

-Everything actually is a universe of it's own.

From the very tiny atom which we thought indivisible earning it the 'indivisible' nomenclature of the greek nomencleture has been split so many times that it has revealed such a large underneath, a universe swirling with activities and weird manifestations.

Leeuwenhoek invented the microscope and opened our eyes to the swirling ecosystem that lurked deep in a water invisible to us.
He looked at a drop of water through his crude microscope and a large universe swirling and teaming with life looked back at him.

he called these living microbial forms Animalcules, today the telescope has evolved so much that it has revealed that the number of these invisible life forms thriving unseen in things we consider incredibly too small is more than us in numbers even.

A cell, A leaf hanging on a tree, a drop of water, of clay or handful of sand, a small stone. . . Magnifiy them through the telescope and penetrate deep beyond what you see and an extra-large universe of it's own comes in sight.

So might our own universe be just a tiny cell, or small drop of algae, a little pinch of unnoticed and irrelevant dust in a reality that would deem our entire universe too tiny to see? (Microbial)

It quakes the brain and stretches the imagination to mull over these speculations, it broadens a wild imagination and it in builds a sense of humility.

But within the "what if's" the bounds of uncertainty grips us, if indeed the universe is a dot or a cell in another reality can we ever know?

It is better left to the pleasures of brain poking, philosophical storming and scientific hypothesis.

Anger is a serious foe both to ourselves and our society that we beam a reflection of who we are.

Anger is like holding a live coal in your palm with the intention of throwing it at another, you only end up burning your palm and embittering your mind.

It's not something worth entertaining since it's bitterness stings like a scorpion and robs you of you Peace of Mind...

Peace of mind is so precious to be lost over something as useless as anger

ValentineMary:
Nice one Donffd. I wonder why people call it an intelligent design yet nothing is intelligent about it.

Neil Degress Tyson calls it, The Stupi_d design Hypothesis....

It's a hypothesis one which i find noble but starkly biased in it's defence, i find it a noble line of thought conceived by the ancients who used superstition to make sense of their world.

But in essence its simply Naive.

I'll open a thread soon in the science section giving a scientific perspective to most of these wriggles of man's philosophical, theological, scientific approach to the world.

Meanwhile you can Join our 'Cosmological and Philosophical forum' in the science section. I'm sure this question of universal design will soon crop up to be discussed.

PastorAIO:
What are you 'good one'-ing about? Did you understand what he was saying? What did you understand? Does what he said tally with anything you said?

Good one ko, Good one ni!

I can swear by my balls he didn't read it, its very typical.... He only saw bible quotations and then 'good one bro' popped in.

PastorAIO:
It is good like that. My purpose in interacting with them is to encourage them to spew out the full nonsensically of their reasoning.

Hahahaha true i have said it many times, they seem to do the most damage with what they say when you debate them

Let the irresponsible deluded parents of the unfortunate innocent baby (who is a sad victim of the insanity of faith and sheepish belief) Pray themselves out of Jail with a tank of Oil

joseph1013:
Good to be here. Cosmology could be mystifying, and fascinating at the same time.

Let me ask: How do we quantize gravity?

elaborate brother. . . break it down

Also, what exactly is Dark Matter

we have no idea yet still that's why it's called 'Dark matter'

a kind of matter that is still elusive to our understanding mainly for the fact that we can't even see it.

and in what ways can humans use this information?

Many ways... every scientific information can be utilized for our tech

dorox:
The empty set {} I talked about is the absolute zero which is very different from the relative zero you gave in your example that can be thought of as an arbitrary center chosen to represent lower or more negative value to the left of it and higher or more positive value to the right of it. One good example of the contrast between a relative zero (0) and an absolute zero is the Celsius and the Kelvin which are units for measuring temperature. 0°C which is a measure of the energy state of atoms at the freezing point of water does not imply that a lower energy state cannot be reached, so it makes sense to have -ve°C whenever the energy state falls below the freezing point of water.But for 0 kelvin which is the absute zero state of a body with no energy there is no sense in talking about -ve kelvin.

And so it remains that even an absolute 0 of a kelvin is still equivalent to −273.15 °C or −459.67 °F..

so was it really a state of absolute nothingness or just a state of extremely inactive thermodynamics.

And again to further stretch the mischievous idea i was trying to portray {V,T,E,M} = are existential values. with {} ---> being the limitless nothingness on which they exist upon.

if V T E M ceases to exist we are still left with {} even though the values of VTEM are at a zero...

This I think is just an unnecessary over complication of the fact that when something has absolutely nothing, we call it nothing.

It is not an over complication, it only shows that 'nothing' in essence is still 'something' regardless of us calling it 'nothing'. As a virtue of it's existentiality it nullifies it's own self.

Nothingness (inexistence) but then exists this contradicts it's own self.

Some interesting stuff here that I'm in broad agreement with though from a religious point of view.
Nice thread by the way, I have always been fascinated by science.

we might also get to hear that

Pdizzle:
I know these forces exists and they govern everything. But what about forces that actually take note of your morality here on earth, are you saying there are none?
I've been having deep thoughts about religion lately, i remember asking my friend who's a muslim why you have to learn the Quran in the Arabic language and even throw a party when you've fully mastered it.
He told me that's the language of God, i was like you mean God created us equally, and he chose one language over another? He was getting emotional and i had to drop the argument but it got me thinking.

Haba! i'm just tired. . . Sometimes i think it's better i don't say anything at all people should believe and swallow what they will.

I am tired of explaining even the most basic aspect of a human society and order.

LOL the irony..

A muslim also made the same warning this time directed to Christians, atheists and all non muslims.

https://www.nairaland.com/352030/christians-satanist-atheist-pity

Religions is more or less a show of deluded clowns throwing threats everywhere cus a book told them

PastorAIO:
I get it. And seen it is the same greek word that is translated into trial and temptation though they are different depending on whether God is involved or not it therefore follows that the bible has been mistranslated in calling the incident the temptations of Christ.

- A christian do not need a dictionary, only his wits and the bible and he can coin words to mean exactly what he wants...

I doubt if you have ever seen a definition of TRIAL that is "test from God" and a definition of temptation that is "test from satan".

but in the christian mind coining up anything no matter how absurd is okay as long as you are trying to wriggle your way out in your own self induced labyrinth of biblical interpretations.

so today we have been dragged to a whole set of English class by a classical show of unreserved Christian apologetic .

It should be called the Trials of Christ.

Yes sure since the whole saga was all orchestrated by God

Vick4rill:
jonnydon hw sure are u that this ur facts are right? i as a theist also will like u to evaluate this facts and convince me that they are correct... lets assume that everytin we experience nw is as a result of nature. what then is nature,? hw does it come into been? what is behind it and hw can we be sure that nature is realy wat it present it self to be?

If then that is the question i say you are asking a question you have already given the answer too..

You said let's assume everything we experience is a result of nature" first not just your experience because reality is not limited to your perception, in fact subjective perceptions can be deceptive..

And then you ask "what then is nature?"

to which i'll give one answer.

"Everything"

Anas09:
Johnnydon knows. Don't worry yourself. He is living in denial.

Please i tender this a plea 'Never again presume to assume and impose your own ideas to be in full coincide with mine or lay unfounded claims that assumes you know me and what i am thinking'

I am trying my best to keep my interactions here sane and sound please stop dragging others down your mess or make to assume you know people and what they think.

it's totally uncool and i don't appreciate it. . . Please do not mention me if that is what you intend doing next time.

Geofavor:

we await your questions and submissions

PastorAIO:
So it was temptation and trial all at the same time. Because they were attacking weak spots and strong spots at the same time. God doesn't tempt but people but he tries people. So while Satan was attack Jesus on one side with temptation, God was attacking the other side with trials.

Please continue. I'm learning.

It simply means God set Jesus up to be messed with to test his resolve (God's temptation is called trial so this is Trial)

then as a chief prosecutor of God's whims and tests Satan carried out the test called temptation.

So that's the relationship.

It was all God's will and plan, satan followed the almighty instruction and carried out the temptation but all in all it's all God's trial.

analice107:
Yea. Let's enjoy this time to laugh, for there's time for everything under the sun. A time to laugh and a time to cry.
A time to be born and a time to die. Then when die, there'll be no more time for anything.
Enjoy yourself while it last. Life on earth is about 70 to a 120years if you are fortunate. But how can that be compared to eternity?
You don't believe this shit, I know, you don't need to. But your unbelief of it doesn't change a thing. Just know that.

LOL OK

Geofavor:
Err,,,, *prostrates for the bosses* can I come in?

The door is wider than infiniti + 1

Vick4rill:
u atheist dnt get it. ur criticism are nt constructive bt destructive, the questions u ask was neva with any intention of learning, it was aim at ridiculing religion. my question is hw can u learn when u ve made up ur mind nt to accept any explanation. u re nt approaching religion with open mindedness as u guys claims?

Most times mild approach or silence to a destroying idea becomes a mark of complicity.

Beliefs has been evaluated over a thousand times, most atheists weren't born atheists they had beliefs just like you but after critical evaluation has found in such dishonest exercise a marring value.

So there is no pampering required, no respect intended and no face to be looked up the truth must be told whether it feels good to you or not.

And anything that can be destroyed by scrutiny, debate, criticism and ridicule deserves to be destroyed.

Any enterprise championed on faith yet claims universal truth is both fraudulent and destroying and is a detriment to our intellectual development and as such deserve no respect or reservation.

Gone are the days when emotions and gut feelings are respected rather than objective deductions.

Beliefs has always being on the path of self induced divine right to champion and propagate their ideas where ever they are unbound and unrestricted but fight tooth and nail to silence the consistent whisper of reason, scrutiny and scepticism.

well the world has evolved past the era religions ruled, the whisper is becoming louder.

Efewestern:
Lolz, burst into laughter, av not yet started You already saying that.. I luv the way you reason and the way you knock out those religious Fanatics , I hardly comment on this forum but i always follow all your thread you are indeed brilliant.

Well since you said You Believe in supernatural powers, Then am 1 step ahead.

I believe you read wrong in the bolded..

I said "No i don't " check my post again.

I rather stretched the independency of belief in supernatural and God(s) further stressing that anything within the confines of nature and manifests within the graphs of nature no matter how weird it is or unascertained is still NATURE.

so to me the word "supernatural" is irrational and paradoxical.

Should i continue?.. most of my facts am a witnessed , And my mom told me some

I knew it would arrive to this . . . Well shoot

dorox:
My view is that if any points in the universe can be described by the set of coordinates {V,T,E,M} where V, T, E and M represents space, time, energy and mass, then one could say that just before the big bang happened the set U = {} which is a null or empty set describes the nothingness of the universe since V, T, E, and M are zero.

You see here is where the problem is, is the (0) really nothing? (Though is this case i am forgoing the ability of energy to be an uncreated value)

If V,T,E,M= 0 in this mathematical calories 0 is still greater than -1 -2 ...... till -infiniti therefore 0 remains something.

This is what I think nothing is, and why I also think that you cannot achieve the state of nothingness in a universe that is already something. Doing so would mean finding a location that has all four elements of the set as zero. Such a set, if it exist would be a disjoint set, which means it can only exist outside of the universe.

The matter remains that on the virtue of it's existentiality it becomes a 'something'... so for 'nothing' to exist then 'nothing' must become something ... the sheer presumption for the existence of 'nothing' nullifies nothing in itself.

As to the bold, do you mean at a point in time or a point in space? The former presumes that the notion of time before the birth of the universe has any meaning and the later fails to understand that space is meaningless outside the universe.

In that case i was painting a broader picture and even more larger boundless containment for not just "a universe" but rather "universes"..... A multiverse.

Space/time for our universe began at a given point and even there was no time before then for one to ask for a time before our universe would be like asking for the edge of the earth which is improbable since the earth is spherical therefore cannot have an edge.

So if time began at a certain point of instance in our universe then there cannot be such a thing as "time before the universe" since there was no time at all.

To reconcile this i'd then have to assume as a universal dimension TIME becomes subjective to distinct universes limited within their containment with yet then a timeless inter-universal infinite void between them

Efewestern:
Can you share your experience, @ JohnyDon22 look at the bolded, He was once an Atheist.. Hehehe .. Was surprised you just ended the convoc with "K", was thinking you will probe further

You must understand one thing about me, i am very choosy on what is worth a reply and what is not.

"I was once like you until i jam"

I mean what does it mean 'Just like me' does she know what i am like, the basis of my positions and all.

When a poster takes upon a position deluding themselves with the presumption even though unfounded of knowing the other, they loose credibility and are not worth my troubles.

By the way i have seen the same line more 10,000 times and i am tired of the same unfounded stories being parceled over and over again without 1 single substantiation.

So pardon me but i am not the type to engage any Jack and Harry who can mention me these days..

Efewestern:
Okay before i start Any Argument with you, just answer this one question.

As an Africa Man, do you believe Spirituality don't exist?
.. i have facts to backup my Claim

No i don't

Here is one of my replies here

" Atheism doesn't mean disbelief in supernatural, someone can believe in
supernatural and still disbelieve God(s).

Both are independent though i find it irrational... There is no supernatural, any
manifestation that occurs within the confines of nature however strange it may
seem or how ever elusive it may be to our understanding is still Nature …"

Anyway let's hear the said facts and hope it's still not the same stories of i saw and my mum saw a man shoot himself and didn't die type of stories.

asadike:
na im i tell u, my brother, u never jam and u no ready to jam. I once was like u,not believing in miracles and supernatural power but the day i jam powers na dat day i bow before baba God. Atheism should stop lying to themselves and to others.

LOL

Pdizzle you are also invited to join us

Pdizzle:
You're too intellectually wordy not to have a blog.

This religion thing got me thinking lately, but I'm damn sure there are forces that control this world.

Of course there are forces controlling the universe itself and they are.

- Electromagnetism
-Weak Nuclear force
-Strong nuclear force
-Gravitation

You may none the less explain your own forces if there are different from the basic ones i listed and then tell us in what way they control this world and remarkably out of countless planets only this world.

shollarey:
okay

The thread is still open to any question about anything concerning the cosmos or a philosophy you may wish to share or discuss.

shollarey:
Yea really crazy.... Actually, i didn't really understand it, so i cant contribute but i can learn with 'physics idea'. Well that's d basic. If i may ask, what did you study in school?

I am self taught but aspires to study Astrophysics

analice107:
You will know how serious and complicated this issue is when you stop breathing God's air. The sun rises and sets everyday, yea, but a day will come when it will no longer rise and set on you, then you will know the seriousness of what I am getting worked about.

LOL

Very good facts!!!

shollarey:
Hmm.... Interesting. Nothing is something

Sounds crazy right?

Vick4rill:
even if the bible did nt say so.."common sense should tell u dat... the truth is that if devil exist then there is God.

Both your Devil and your God still is no more than a mirage, both are one and the same since they do not exist only in the mind of the believer.

These concepts barely are human anthropomorphic personification of the concepts of 'Good and evil' though in the process of reeling out these personification it becomes even hard to tell which is really evil and which good.

it is very foolish to concludes that there are no supernatural powers in this world.

Atheism doesn't mean disbelief in supernatural, someone can believe in supernatural and still disbelieve God(s).

Both are independent though i find it irrational... There is no supernatural, any manifestation that occurs within the confines of nature however strange it may seem or how ever elusive it may be to our understanding is still Nature…

i ve seen raw and live magic by magician.

The day you'll understand magic are just professional tricks performed in a way that you see only what they want you to see, you will grow a little bit more.

i ve seen people used sharp blades to cut themselves bt were unharmed,

why didn't you carry out a first hand test, get your own sharp blade and seek their permission to strike.

i ve seen a.k 47 been shoot at people bt by the use of magic they were unharmed. bt when we bring all this facts to u. u ppl claim that it is a trick.

Get your own damn Gun and do the shooting.

devil use magic while God uses miralce, if the magic can be so physical why doubt miracles?

what's the difference from both claims? nothing just you giving them different names to distinguish you ideas of their source.

Both can be called Magic and both are plain ridiculous and nonsensical... Grow up there is no sancta claus.