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Eddygourdo:
Life will survive, but human life won't survive because we are the least adaptive in nature

Please what sort of life would survive and thrive without the sun and how?

IRserveMyComent:
As far as no one is being FORCED OR COMPELLED to pay it i dont think it should be any body's head ache. Mr corper if you wont pay keep mute and worship your God. Befor you quote me am not an RCCG member, but i dont see any reason this should be a case for any one.

Religion is the ultimate robbery, the only robbery i know of that will have the victim come out and defend the robbers after being robbed.

Tell people that this wall is wet they will go and touch it to confirm but tell them that they have special mansions, gold sashes and harps with an unending existence waiting for them after they are dead…

They will believe it, give you their money and never ask for a refund even when none is sure of the service.

I wonder how there should a legal or ethical weight level on having an opinion about a long dead medieval arab man

dorox:
We are really trying to split hairs here but I understand that this is a subject where a slight shift in perspective can make a whole lot of difference of opinion.
I did say without God the universe is nothing, which implies that the nothing I was referring to is restricted to the universe.

Yet still we are still faced with a problem of something and nothing, God is something and so it yet leans back down to how there is something and not nothing.

You see i first left the inability of Energy to be an uncreated value in order to allow total annihilation of the subject, now God a fully functional personal and consciousness entity is being used to fill a gap of nothingness/something problem not only is that irrational in my opinion but a very severe leap of many wholes.

To your other question about God, yes I am referring to a conscious and intelligent being, and not some nebulous impersonal force.

Transcendant and personhood are paradoxical attributes that can only annihilate the subject.

-If a God (personal God) is and is transcendent

-If something is transcendent it cannot perform actions within time or exist within time

-But a person or personal being must exist and perform actions within time

-therefore something transcendent cannot be a person

so if there is such a thing as a transcendent personal entity, it is paradoxical and cannot be.

dorox:
Sorry for taking so long to reply, I have been busy with work and exam.
It appears to me that you argument in a nut shell is that if anything including an idea is something, then nothing must be something since it is alo an idea.
This view of nothing that is something does not contradict my view of nothing as an empty set. The empty set becomes a container of a sort devoid of any property that can be used to describe the universe i.e energy, space, time and quantum flictuations whatever that is.
Going by the way you defined 0 kelvin, nothing becomes -ve everything which gives you an empty set.
The idea that energy which we know cannot be created being zero in that empty set makes sense if you view God as external to the universe and the source of the energy contained in it. Which would mean that without God the universe would be nothing.

Too tired to draft a reply that would be as long as i would have loved but yet still.

God is something therefore if there was God before the universe still there wasn't nothing.. (depends on what you call God though)

And yet still since the problem is between nothing and something and God still within the confines of something, it is still how is there something (of which God is still part of ) and not nothing..

So you see God (the conventional view) does not answer that question......

Let's broaden this a bit, when referring to God here are you referring to a Personal conscious entity?

GROWING MAN

Man had conquered fire, man had peeked directly into the sky, wondered the flickering amber and his thoughts had raged on and all he saw was divine.

The Gods were born and the mind of man became intrinsically attached to them.

The discovery of fire also would more importantly redefine the method of man's diet which was then no more than the raw ingestion of flesh like every other wild beast does.

This probably might be accidental or experimental though i will in this work stress on the experimental aspect.

-It must have been another evening of rest after a hard day of hunting and gathering, i can vividly imagine a man sitting in front of the burning cracking fire eating away the little twigs and woods he had set for it, he himself also having a go at his simple meal of raw meat and fruits.

he could ask "the fire eats the dry twigs and woods while i eat the fleshy meat and fruits, what if i feed my meal to the fire could it also eat them?"

in that curious question he'd embark on a simple experiment having basically in abundance the necessarily tools and specimen.

He would place one of his vegetables in the fire and it would burn in no time, charred and ashed like just any fuel in the fire, he then with growing excitement of having shared one of his meals with the fire could then try feeding the flesh to the fire.

It would not burn as fast as the vegetable did, the flesh as he looked would become more and more different, he'd first hand and for the first time watch a transition of flesh from the reddish raw look to the brownish oily look buttered in small grey areas of charred black.

He would curiously poke it with a stick observing the tenderness, retrieve it from the fire and observed it even more closely again, the freshly roasted meat would burn his finger when he first touched it but he would try again with time as the soothing sway of the cool breeze or cold atmosphere slowly diminished the hotness.

Then in one bite of curiosity he could tell outrightly the difference between his normal raw meal and this one he just retrieved before the fire ate it all.

The former surely tasted bloody had a hard fiber-like texture and always was cold, this was much more tender -having being eaten first by the fire he'd think, this was easier to eat and was warm inducing a warm feel in his uncaring cold environment.

A remarkable choice on how to take his meals have emerged, there is no need telling which he chose

A new phase of man's evolution would then commence, a revolution of man's way of living, culture was about to emerge and languages would develop.

It must have started from two or more packs (families) caught in a drift-like grasp of migratory consequence, bound by fate to meet, carried in the wind of unexpected chance but on an occasion that could have been no less surprising two packs of little societies (families) would meet.

This would trigger a humbling thought

-We are not in the world the only ones that are..

The world for man would become larger, he would realize that it was large enough to contain much more of his kind.

This contact of distinct families slowly assimilating into a more complex societal order must then be the birth of language, societal norms, farming, politics, organized religion, improved art and finances.

there will be need to communicate, the human language would move from the basic gesture of the limbs and other body movements to become rather more intrinsically dependent on sounds from whence the vocal cord plays a vital role.

It must have been from a very simple sound, what we could now describe as a one vowel sound noise, clicking from whence this evolution of language would commence.

A little idea of how this would look can be derived in a little sense by studying the bushmen of the Kalahari, one of the few societies on earth we could still describe as starkly primitive.

the bushmen society is one marked with unparalleled simplicity, innocence and the water free-like mind of the early men, shielded for too long from the encroaching hands of civilization that thrives all around it - in Botswana , south Africa.

Even though the eyes of the world has been opened to their existence and civilization is slowly dripping into their society, it would still take decades if not up to a century to be fully incorporated into the very fabrics of their culture.

By studying these bushmen, their language in this case. it is mostly comprised of clicking sounds.
Derived by sticking the tip of the tongue against the roof of the mouth. this highly strange method of speech and communication boasts of a wide range of vocabularies and expressions.

_The early languages developing from this simple audible expressions would start off from simple basic audio expressions replacing equivalent gestures and body languages.

The more the society grew in number and the societal interactions became more complex the more language evolved into more wider vocabularies and intense expressions.

These simple folks who would mark what in the timeline of human history what we now know as the Neolithic revolution can be said redefined the human society and placed it on the track we find it today.

From a simple life of hunting in the wilds and gathering wild edible plants for consumption.
The society ever growing larger from reproduction this time would ever up the demand for food and the ventures for hunts and grub gatherings would become harder and would take longer ventures into the wilds.

near foods and games to hunt would diminish as more hunts and gatherings are being carried out by the now more complex societal bud.

The harder the venture for food and games became the more man had to think of a way out, if he kept going farther and farther away as the foods within his reach diminished he'd sooner or later need to pack up migrate and head to some place with more food and the whole process would repeat itself again and there will yet again arise a need to move.

"But what if we get these games alive and not kill them then keep them locked close to our dwellings so there could be available to us when we need food?"

It must have been a better option, rather than go to the wilds, kill the games and bring back food which soon finishes and the need to go back to the wilds arises, it sounded better to go to the wilds grab as much of these beasts as we can, bring them back to the settlement and keep them locked in, taking them one after the other when we need food.

and thus domestication of animals was born in essence Farming had begun.

I speculate domestication of plants would have followed similar line of reason and solution ideas, instead of having to walk 10miles to pick a wild vine why not uproot the whole vine and put it back into the ground near our home.

Or yet still this might most likely also be accidental, throwing out an already eaten fruit or rotten piece of grub only to find out sometimes later that it was germinating and growing into a distinct plant of it's own.

This domestication have come long enough that it has also contributed immensely to the evolution of these plants, in a severe weather that was unfavourable for some plants to thrive the plants under human care would artificially be provided conducive environment to thrive when others withered.

And thus when the cruel hands of devastating natural effects made the rest perish, the domesticated plants would continue -Artificial selection.

All the domesticated plants you have today are drastically so different from the original wild bunch that you cannot reconcile both.

Wild bananas are much smaller, harder and had lots of seeds, apples would be less tastier and smaller.

the domestication of plants and animals, the birth of human farming had tremendous effect on the new growing society, the songs were getting broader and the instruments better and man's society more complex yet ever accommodating to new things.

Man controlled the animals within his reach he paved a door way to other values that would prove important to his life hewn directly from the animals he herded.

-hides and skins
-manure for soil conditioning
-wool
-milk
-traction

Are now forever within his grasp, his clothing would become more extravagant, would now include more materials and his meals would now involve more options, food slowly evolving from the basic use of survival to a more intrinsic use of both survival and entertainment.

Continued....

Hello guys i'm sorry i have not been able to update for 2 days now, work and nepa combined is a recipe for a phoneless existence..

Anyway i will certainly update today

calliope:
No dear, not yet... Working on it tho

alright

okeke00:
Bible hero and the wisest man ever lived is Solomon. Richer than coca cola, Walmart and apple product. Non of Solomon product is on sales and he create no job. He is wise because he lived with over 1000 women? Bible should be ashamed because Solomon has nothing to teach and generation today don't have anything to learn from a pedophile like him. Scholars need to come up with a new stories and rewrite fairly tell.

Wisest man on earth not one single invention, not one single scientific contribution, the best method he could think of was attempting to cut the baby in half.

Well when you look at the people who think such a man the wisest ever then you wouldn't be surprised.

God made a beautiful and perfect Earth and Universe Billions of years
ago.that Earth was destoryed when Satan and his angels who rebelled against
God .were thrown out of heaven to earth. the creation account in Genesis 1. is
were God restored the earth.

God made a beautiful earth then struggled with satan in heaven (Heavenly politics and coup) and then out of all the billions of a trillion planet in this universe remarkable only earth was caught in between the tuff war.

Only earth remarkably a chance it is did God choose to send satan to out of countless other planets.

And then earth had to be restored.. Hahahaha cool story..

calliope:
Are you alright?

You and the other guy not been in enugu yet?

LOL HardMirror na so e do you reach? hahahaha.. well goodluck in your search, any luck yet?

HardMirror:
You are very right. I have a lot of intellectually engaging topics (like the history of religion, the chronology) which is well researched, but I think with the lack of intelligent people on this section, I will rather keep splattering mud with them. They are out to destroy all sensible discussion with childish squabbles. No wahala 2 can play the game

I have had my fun days and i am done with that now, there are certain things i believe within myself that i'm well above now.

I have grown past that.

I keep saying that people are at different levels of both consciousness and intellect, there is a certain stage you reach when all you want is Say your truth and not convince anyone of it.

You begin to realize everyone has their own path and their different pace at learning.

In order words you cannot convince a baby that he should be walking when he's at that stage of crawling, to convince him of that truth is irrelevant.

I have been able to break so many minds from religious bonds through out my stay here, many i know of many more i don't.

But i doubt if one of those my down moments when i degraded myself to the level of obliging people in such infantile personal emotional yarns and invective have i ever being able to help the readers help from such childish posts.

such posts to me now is meaningless and i am well above that now

You are right bro, if you or anyone tracked my activities here on nairaland that person should notice that i stopped engaging in many arguments because debates here has taken a very childish tilt.

Invectives, personal attacks, emotional talks and all round childish squabbles and infantile trolling is the other of the day in the religion section.

That is one of the reasons i stopped engaging in such demeaning squabbles cus it insults the very essence of debates and discussion.

The only theist i enjoy discussing with is dorox, we discuss so well and we teach each other a lot of things without insults or going personal at all, just a good discussion.

If you read my debates or discussion with dorox you won't see two persons (a theist and an atheist ) arguing rather you'll see two individuals hungry for knowledge trying to figure out what is true rather than arguing on who is right.

That is the only type of discussion i can engage in now.

If you read my personal text it says: I am evolving in humility, humanity and intellect but pardon me yet still i am not perfect.

-Humility to let invective posts aimed at me to slide without degrading my intellect to that infantile level.

-humanity to understand we are all humans before any other label and even though i might not respect "personal beliefs" i'll respect and love humans.

-And in intellect in my willingness to listen and learn rather than argue to maintain correctness.

I strongly agree with you my brother, Scepticism is important very important for our intellectual evolution collectively as a specie.

But in a way scepticism is applied in matters of public concern there is tendency to belittle, condescend, to ignore the fact that deluded or not- supporters of superstition and pseudoscience are still humans with feelings who like us are trying to also figure out how the world works and our role in it.

Their ideas mostly are consonants with science but our cultures having not given us all that is needed to drive an objective motive they sorely should not be blamed.
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Let us always then try to temper our criticism with kind words because none of us comes fully prepared.

But honest i do not one bit understand what all this fuse is about, whether Hitler was Christian or atheist what does that even mean or how does that affect anyone..?

Teempakguy:
yeah, I was suffering from depression.

WTF!!! what caused it?

dblackninja dorox JackBizzle ... You all are welcome to the concert for the 'songs of the world'

wow this is an eye opener.. The letter sounded more like she was struggling to believe in God but deep within her she reason they actually might not be.


she was caught in dire conflict of Faith vs reason and doubt all her life, that is really a huge burden to bear.

I have always and always will be a fan of mother Theresa, have watched films about her and i enjoy her humble and peaceful philosophies.

- Her humanitarian works and compassion.

I only object her philosophy of adopting poverty, i think acquiring wealth will open a broader and better window for one who wants to help the poor.

She's a rare gem though, much respect!

reallest:
Nah change era we dey now

Surely madam i'm speechless of the reality now... Well 'the untold story of Job' aint dead yet.

We'll surely continue!!!

wiegraf:
https://media.mnn.com/assets/images/2011/04/robotoverhorizon.jpg.560x0_q80_crop-smart.jpg

The sun from space

Not really relevant per say, not even important actually, but just want to point out it appears yellow to us on the rock because of effects it has on the atmosphere due to its proximity.From space, right from outside our atmosphere, it's just a great ball of white like all the other stars in the night sky

Reason I highlight this? To bring home the fact that it's just another star. Nothing special. People seem to forget that, or it doesn't really register with them.

All the phenomena you describe here, from the formation of plantets to that of asteroid belts and more, will be occuring (plus or minus other phenomena) on most of those little little lights you see at night, plus some

Plus trillions more, actually

But no, some would like to suggest that ours is the special star. The only one capable various little things. And all the others were created just so we could marvel at how great god is, and just how special we are


Man, I dey see double...may come back and edit/clearify when sober.....

Welcome on board my boss wiagraf.

It is expected for us to see Earth and the sun as special in my opinion, Value is subjective to distinct minds.

To a chimpanzee a banana is more special than gold but to a human a gold is far more special.

Value is subjective to the mind that conceives it which is always directly related to the role or effect of the 'subject of value' to the individual perceiving it.

We are earthlings, the sun is our source of life, these two has an effect on us no other celestial object has so surely they must be special to us…

So i find it expected people trail such line of thought, being chauvinistic about our host star and parent planet.

But in a general Natural scale the truth remains whether you hold something more special than the other - There is no V.I.P seat in nature

reallest:
How on earth do I miss dis?

You are welcome on board ma'am

yes millions though most stay under the closet for fear of death just like most Nigerian atheist also stay under the closet for fear of discrimination, harm or at worst death too

Animals in craze men skin

Yaaaay!!! my thread is back finally!!!, i specially thank the moderators for bringing my thread back from oblivion.

Takes the drivers seat : "lets continue our journey ladies and gentlemen"

continued..


I can imagine their excitement feeling the heat and warmth of fire on their bodies like a mini sun shinning in the night, they would mop at it in awe for hours -looking directly at the amber that defined their next step.

They'd see it eats things on their part, grasses, twigs, woods and the more it fed the more it grew and the more it burns and dances and this would incite an idea.

They could gather these foods that the burning amber eats and it could then burn for them, i can vividly see their terrified yet excited face as their take a burning twig or two home and drop it among their own gathered twigs and grasses and alas it burned.

Man had tamed fire, what was in the hearth of the Gods now brought to live the hearth of man.

The whole family would seat around the fire looking at it with so much enthusiasm that it would constitute a better part of their dreams, technological advancement was now at the tip of man's fingers.

-He now tamed fire and so the irons will now be subjected to his dictates.

-Clays will do his bidding and became hard as stone

-his tools of stones and wood were coming to an end taking a bow for ones of bronze, copper, lead, gold, aluminium and finally iron.

The ambers that lit the hearth of man raised a whole lot of disturbing questions, the awe stricken but curious man would ponder what this must be just like the small dots of light he observed in the sky only that this was near him, this was his.

-maybe the twinkling lights in the sky are fires in the hearths of some other powerful living entities living far far away.

-maybe these beings (Later Gods) are more powerful than us, looks at us.

Man's questions must be answered, man is never comfortable with ignorance.


Here is one trait of human nature that is sorely based on ego, this ego is still prevalent to this day in modern humans.

Man would rather make up an answer than agree that he doesn't know

This was the situation of the primordial humans, they were ignorant to the answers of their questions but very uncomfortable in their ignorance so any answer that their heads could wrap around seemed rational therefore relevant and satisfying.

This is the difference in approach that modern science has derived, to practise or indulge in modern science you must first be comfortable with admitting ignorance .

Admitting ignorance leaves room for a question mark and diminishes the hastiness to reach an answer.

Science now is a humbling enterprise correcting the mistakes of the early humans who in the uncomfortable feeling of their ignorance derived a hasty answer of their limited rational grasp devoid of empirical spice thus birthing what we now know as superstition …

I would not necessarily maintain this to be a mistake rather my position is that it was a necessary leap for mankind, a foundation that defined our pathway to science.

it is expected that such mistakes be made, they had no already known example so they were the first 'trial and error' era, our own deductions today didn't just get better magically, No. it was rather built by contrasting the mistakes of the past and avoid making the same mistakes again.

So science today was directly as a result of that One giant step of mankind, that small battle against ignorance, the first mistakes of mankind.

_Questions were asked in these primeval era and answers were given in a rational sense.

To the mind of a man Nature is a very questionable thing, things manifest in every angle, in every way and in any sense, uncaring and unrestricted.

Superstition was born out of sorely naturalistic probes though disconnected from the naturalistic confines.

-Fire was first thought unnatural by the amazed minds of these early men, it was unusual so how could it be just an everyday 'nature'?

It must have been unnatural, maybe these beings living far away from us in the campsites that appear to be points of lights in the sky took pity on us and the cold nights we have and sent us a little of their fire to keep us warm.

These are the good beings, they are kind to us for sending us something that betters our situation.

it is sorely not possible for this beautiful warm amber to just appear to us by chance someone must have been behind it and sent it down to us.

This must have been the rational conclusions given to the manifestation of fire which we now recognize as heat, fuel and oxygen in one accord.

We looked more than our expectations and broke down the little forces behind that over amazing manifestation 'fire'. what to the ancients seemed unearthly and supernatural because it exceeded their expectations and triggered their amazement has for us become sorely natural since we have now derived a very basic fundamental understanding of what it was.

What was initially only possible for higher unearthly beings given to us as an act of pity or later in developing stories an act of heroic sacrifice became sorely recognized to us an act of nature.

_Nature as we sure know is uncaring and fundamentally uncharted, nature is neither good or bad these value are a child of the human mind placing himself in the center of natural activities that raged on around him.

So to humans Nature became either good or bad which is a projection of how a particular natural manifestation affects him but in the real sense there is no such thing in nature, it just happens.

So in the course of this overly uncaring and uncharted cosmic events man kept seeing weird manifestations.

-A lightening could have zapped down one and instantly kills or injures him.

If there are these powerful beings that affects us and give us good things then how possible was it that they now harm us?

The other rational and logical way around that should and must be to these early humans; there are two types of these powerful beings that affects us.

Some of them are good that they give us good things like fire for our warmth, rain our drinking pleasure and plants, fruits for our betterment, a friendly sunshine, a bright day and good breezes to cool our body.

But what about much more aggressive events that seem more likely aiming at killing us, what about that angry fast flash from the skies that would almost certainly kill you,

or the quaking of the earth that doesn't know what is dear and what is not?

what about that strange illness that just happens and kills one of us?

what about great floods that render us homeless and floods our caves?

they couldn't have just happened for no reason at all.

No it was very unlikely that these events be related or from one source, they cannot be from the same beings.

They must be then evil powerful beings that would harm us just like they are good ones that wants to help us.

superstition had provided an answer one i find rational and expected thus Gods had entered the playing field.

Man reasons then it is right for us to make allegiance with the good ones, thank them and seek their protection from the viles of the bad ones who man must have grown to fear.

Thus beget the religious nature and behaviour of man...

Enquiry birthed superstition which culminated into man's religious behaviour and enthusiastic piety.

The songs became more intrinsic, man is growing and so is his intellect and actions.

IRserveMyComent:
. Keep ur unbelief to itself my dear. I do not need ur long epistle. My own bible which is the word of the living God in INFALLIBLE. I AM A LIVING SOUL.

He should keep his unbelief to himself but you are allowed to throw your belief in public?

why do you hope to deny others the right to criticize openly the very idea you pour out openly?

Rick9:
I am a Catholic but I do received the JW warmly like am receiving Christ, I am not dogmatic I tolerate and respect other people's beliefs and religious practices, even if a Muslim, or a Hinduist or a Buddhist come to preach to me, I would gladly listen . I can decide which of the teachings I want to agree with. #Peace

This is beautiful

ayoku777:
The one I don't even understand is why the Nairaland autotext bot brings the name of Jesus back to small letter everytime you put it in captial letters.

I notice that. Whenener I want to explain something and I put the name of Jesus in capitals for emphasis, the autotext bot brings it back to small letter.

And it does it only for the name of Jesus.

MUHAMMED
BUDDHA
JESUS
VISHNU
KRISHNA
ZEUS

Not that this any major big deal for me, because this doesn't take away the power in the name of Jesus; but I just wana know the rational behind refusing the name of Jesus from being put in caps. Why does the autotext bot always bring it back to small letter when you put it in capitals?

Shalom

Try (A.L.L.A.H) in all caps like this ALLAH.. it still goes back small letters just like JESUS..

Also try typing 'jesus' with a small letter beginning it still modifies and starts with a capital letter J.

so don't pick out a beans that is not there muslims are not complaining Allah also is taken to small case letters with a capital letter beginning even when typed in all caps.

FIRE OF THE GODS (advent of man's intellectual evolution)

"And for the little bushmen of the Kalahari, the rumble of a thunder is because the Gods has eaten too much and their stomachs are rumbling"
Narrator Gods must be crazy

A very rational conclusion for the bushmen of the Kalahari, it was a rational explanation born out of curiosity given to a strange and also curious phenomenon.

But to say rationalization is directly proportional to advancement, the level of rationality can be said to be improved when there is an advancement in study and empirical reliance - this factor however differs alongside historical timeline and civilizations.

Let us travel through time and back into when it all began, let our songs take us back to the birth of our enquiry, back through time to when man first queried his mind about himself, activities around him and the stars twinkling in the skies.

In our journey through this time, we head to a time when societies where not born yet - Primeval humans lived more in packs of close relations, a time when there were no pyramids or temples, when man's architecture could not boast better than that of a bird, the era without cities and politics, warfare or dynasties, the era when caves were a luxury and trees provided basic shades.

the time when humans were not better than the wild beasts that feed on raw flesh, when no fire flickered in the camp side, when clothing fundamentally was just for temperature regulation made simple from the sad providence of death plagued on other species.

We rewind back to when it was all young and simple.

Primordial humans were simple folks, they had same brain as us but lacked our tools and advancement but while we boast of these tools and advancement let us not quick in that ego deny the fact that our advancement was built on a fundamental bedrock that started with their enquiry, our advancement now is basically an intrinsic accumulation of all simple human enquiry starting from this primordial era.

-I would argue that our advancement is not really "Ours" as in referring modern humans of this age but Ours as a reference to ALL humans who ever lived, now live and will live …

These simple human folks lived no more than what we would attribute to wild beasts of the field, they had no houses but sort under the caves or a simple manipulation of trees and bushes for shelter.

Food was raw as no fire then was known to these folks even though surely there must be fires in places around the globe from natural sources like Volcanoes, lightening etc but they were yet to encounter one.

They had no large societies therefore politics never existed, everyman only had an allegiance to himself and those directly bound to him from the most basic fundamental ties that can hold humans - family.

They lived and died in these small family packs oblivious that there were others just like them thriving some where else , i doubt if having not explored through the stretching arms of migration many of them had thought there was more to earth than the expanse of the horizons visible to them.

They hunted and ate with simple preservative methods being spreading out food in the sun - A genius method that even till today we still use.
utilized basic tools for hunting and defence against other animals that shared the given habitat with them such as Hyenas, lions, tigers all caught in the cruelty of a close food web.

Man's encounter with fire is something almost certainly was accidental as most discoveries and even inventions were, it has been caught in the later developed myth of man like the sad story of Prometheus.

A remarkable eloquent and sad tragedy as told by the ancient Greeks to explain man's first encounter with fire.

To them fire was something that could not have existed naturally, Fire just had to be supernatural in fact was taken directly from the hearth of the divine so fire as the ancient greeks explained was an unnatural jewel born out of the divine.

As the story goes -

Prometheus was a young outre young Titan, was born of the Titan lepetus.

Known never to have been a measly subordinate of Zeus, in fact Prometheus was sometimes a challenger of the Father of the Gods' power.

In his most legendary dealing with the most powerful Zeus, Prometheus outdid himself in his epic trick of mecone .

The gods and mortal man had arranged a meeting at Mecone where the matter of division of sacrifice between gods and men was to be settled.

Prometheus slew a large ox, and divided it into two piles.

In one pile he put all the meat and most of the fat, skillfully covering it with the ox's grotesque stomach, while in the other pile, he dressed up the bones artfully with shining fat.

Prometheus then invited Zeus to choose; Zeus chose the pile of bones.

As an act of revenge, Zeus hid fire from mankind, leaving them cold and shivering at night.

Prometheus , however, out of pity stole it for them shortly after, incurring the further wrath of Zeus. Prometheus's punishment was to be chained to a rock and have an eagle pick out
his liver every day for eons.

the Liver would grow back after being picked out by the eagle who would then come back the next day and resume his unusual meal to the agony of his unwilling host.

It was a story of a selfless sacrifice, a pointer to how valuable fire was to man that in this story it was worth such a heinous retribution.

The greeks in the sandwich of human cultures coming up with explanations of fire were not the only to assume or portray 'fire' a divine projection.

worthy of note are few others like

-in the Hindu mythology, Mātariśvan also recovered fire which was taken out of human reach

-In the book of Enoch (Hebrew mythology) the fallen angels taught humanity technology and fire.

-Americas had the ideas that an animal did probably a dog.

and very many other cultures that showed fire as first being elusive to humanity until from an act of unparalleled heroism someone goes and retrieves it for the good of humanity directly from the restriction and disapproving gesture of the divine

It is fascinating, the ancients recognized fire to be a very important thing that it takes a divine value.

Fire is indeed so important, probably the greatest discovery man ever made because it affected man's development and well being so much that even as of today we boast of a very high technological advancement -take away fire from us - everything will ground to a halt, both technology and even science, we almost certainly will become extinct faster than one can imagine.

Fire was directly responsible for the technological advancement of humanity thus fire was the amber on which technology was illuminated.

When man controlled fire, he controlled Iron harder than the stones and sticks he usually used as tools thus a technological leap was made.

We have seen how rationally the ancients had seen fire more of a supernatural value manifesting naturally only because it was wrenched directly from the protection of reluctant Gods, a remarkable pointer to how 'Superstition' was the center player in the answers to the questions of the ancients who held philosophy in high esteem.

I have however in concord with modern scientific and historical speculation have the idea of man's encounter with fire being much accidental like very many of our discoveries.

I had imagined it to be something like a volcano erupting nearby both startling the naive curious man with it's loud rumbling and dark smokes rising up towards the heavens and also most certainly a nearby bush setting ablaze by the hot molten lava that flowed down the slope.

Or a near miss of a lightening bolt sparking up fire some where very near for 'someone to see it'

I can imagine his awe, surprise and fear as he sees the yellow amber dancing and eating away the fuel it burns dancing steadily with the gentle wind.

He must have ran away as fast as his legs could carry him at the strange thing but also when his safety seems guaranteed and his curiosity pricks him he'd go back to have a second look.

Imagine the excitement of the pack (family) when he reports his findings and they all run towards the strange 'thing' with held breathe to see for themselves what one of them had so remarkably painted to be out of the world.

Thus man must have met his next phase of evolution only this time 'Intellectual evolution' through an accidental encounter and discovery.

Continued....

urahara:
U and this your domino

This is how belief becomes firmly rooted and evolves to become 'reality' in the mind of the believers of every doctrine, belief or myth.

Just keep repeating it and stoicly maintain it to be true and it will along the line be etched in your mind as an unquestionable truth and reality.

prettythicksme:
cool pics,buh y una come dey jump jump wen u r not kids.

So becoming an adult suddenly makes one loose the ability to jump?....

Some of the best moments in life come when one be just like a kid, unleash your inner child and have fun.

Unwind babe

annunaki2:
If I was unfortunate enough to have been born a muslim, I would like millions of other muslims have renounced it by now.

Rilwayne001:
I agree! However I would have change my view.

johnydon22:
LOL i was expecting this, how funny you didn't disappoint bro, i am also expecting annunaki2 to also make such far from reality comment, we all know it's a big fat lie

hahahaha i scored a bullseye...Rilywayne001 what did i tell you... LOL... Nice one brothers!!!

I know this because even as a christian, I have critically examined my faith and I even reject a lot of popular church doctrines that I find faulty. I am not blind when it comes to religious thinking, infact I consider myself to be far more rational than the average atheist…

I'm sure you are..