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crusadistic:
What stops you from pleading,begging,crying and shouting for help to your creator?

Only ego would make someone leave you to beg and grovel before he can decide to help you, only wickedness would make someone leave you to cry and fast before he can decide to help you.
Only something forgetful would warrant you repeating the same thing for years to remind him to help you

If your supposed God operates within these confines then he is not "All good" , not all knowing.

Rather shows a very petty character that is ruled by an unparalleled ego problem, wickedness and chronic forgetfulness

ValentineMary:
That guy (Kingebukasblog) always spills nonsense. After I made a nonsense of his other thread, he started calling all atheist ignorant.

Hahahahahahaha anyway do not start boasting out how you made nonsense of someone on a thread of course that person would never agree you did, let the people who read these debates decide who's gat the salient points and who's not..

I find stuffs like this infantile, do not say it let your posts do the talking for you that's how it goes.

these beliefs are very vulnerable most times when debating atheists theists tend to do the most damage themselves..

people don't realize it even though they feel they have made a good point it always does the most damage to the readers faith when they keep contrasting it with the conflicting points.

E.G Logicbwoys thread where we talked about omnipotence paradox..

Be an intellectual giant but that should always come with humility because you should debate to teach and learn not to massage your ego and start to drag who's got the better argument, the readers know it when they read it.

I like the biblical book of Sirach (A deutroncanonical book) you won't find it in most bibles (pentecostals) its mostly used by catholics and Orthodox. there is a quote there that goes.

"The higher you become, the more humble you should be"

urahara:
For ur mind u don form hard mirror be dat

Abeg oooo bros na time i no get oo

tk4rd:
You know, at times, I wonder if there could be other forms of life out there in the galaxy that are not carbon-based..
I mean, aliens that might not need water and oxygen in their atmosphere to survive. These beings might be surviving on metabolic processes that involve other elements other than C, H, and O..
They can even survive in space, where there is no atmosphere..
The processes within their body systems might not even be the usual chemical processes we know, but nuclear processes.
You can never tell..
And if that is the case, then, these beings are supposed to be highly advanced, as a result of the high energy they generate within them. Their speed of operation would be very high too.
Their body shapes would be totally different from ours., they might be mostly spherical rocky beings that can change into any shape they want when necessary..
They can even be made of some other elements.. (dark matter even)..
What I am saying is that, scientists might be looking for aliens similar to us in almost everything, but it happens that the existing beings might be something totally different from what they seek.
You can never tell.

You are absolutely correct because nature is so diverse that there is no established "one way" things are supposed to happen.

we judge life from the only life we know of which is the ones on earth so of course there may be life forms not dependent of the elements that are the bedrocks of ours.

even Jupiter may be teaming with life, something hypothetically called floaters by carl sagan.

he explained it thus; Since life can evolve anywhere it is not impossible that in the huge gas jupiter that has no surface life may also be teaming.

elements that can lead to life exists and if somehow life emerges in such an environment, in the cause of their evolution the heavy organisms will be pulled towards the planet's core and die off, the lighter ones with maneuvering mechanisms to float in the atmosphere will thrive. So natural selection suggests floaters can only exist if life is in JUPITER.

Talk2bryant:
Little do you know how you've indoctrinated me into the world of cosmology and astrophysics, I now exhaust my data on watching youtube videos on theory of relativity and related things about the universe, I even have one app that shows all the constellation of the stars based on your location, it's so cool. I owe this to you man

hahaha i only beamed a light of illumination and sparked your interest. . Astronomy/cosmology is a humbling discipline and a philosophical rich study.

Even though prayers don't work let's assume it does. "Tell me why you'd need to plead, beg, cry, shout, grovel to a benevolent (Allegedly all good) God before he can decide to help you?"

Tell me why you'd need to remind an All knowing God to help you?

And tell me why you'd need to pray for the things you want if God already has a plan unless you think yours is better.

Theism is just collective insanity of billions so makes everyone think it's fine

CltrAltDelicious:
Johny johny johny how many time I call You better come and complete dis tin oooo

Of course na.. I go complete am na

Talk2bryant:
Going by the global warming, I have my doubt if mankind can survive that long but given the possibility, it's going to be beautiful going by the colorful night sky depicted in the picture, new constellations and perhaps we would have new species (aliens) roaming our streets. Hope they won't colonise us

Hahahahahaha we can't even find an alien yet in all the vastness of the milky way

donnffd:
FACT shouldnt be the word, highly probable maybe but not fact... it is possible we spread out of the solar system, colonize the galaxy in about two million years, many settlements would evolve in different ways, some might not, but they would all regard themselves as humans or prodigies of humans. They create a federation of planets and explore to other nearby galaxies(if the technology is possible), they might live in a true utopia and prolong their lives to thousands if not millions of years.

It is also possible we wipe our selves out in the next few thousands of years and the only trace of us would be our ruined structures.

Noone knows the future so i would be careful to call it a Fact

You are correct boss

UyiIredia:
1) Order in the physical universe
2) Design in living things
3) Consciousness in humans.

You still going over this? Lol..

Naijaboy007:
And how exactly do they show the existence of a god
And which of the gods

No be today we don treat these thing over and over and over again yet they keep pointing at it..

Like saying "I believe a tree fairy made a tree" when asked for evidence you point at a tree..

I am tired of typing over the same crap again na live debate i wan this time around ..how i wish someone can arrange that

otemanuduno:
Jesus Christ has been dying and redying for the sins of humanity. He has been born again and again for humanity to save them from sin.

Here are the examples of his comings.

1. Dionysus- Jesus came into the world as Dionysus about 1500BC as the son of Zeus in Greece, the only god who was born of a virgin called Semele. Who has control over the vine, and makes wine from water. He was represented as the Tiger of the tribe of Tibeth. His mother Virgin Semele named him Zeusus. His flesh and blood was eaten by the people who hated him.

2. Krish-Jesus came again into the world as Krish. He taught many people to behave like little children and himself was represented with the figure of a little child. He came to also end our sins, born of a virgin in India. His followers were called Krishtans and his lifestyle was called Krishtanite. He died for the sins of the whole world.


Time would fail me to also tell you of how Jesus has been coming into the world to end sins in not less than ten times.

3. Lastly, Jesus came again in the power of Zeusus and Krishna and he was named Zeusus Krish, which is being interpreted Jesus Christ. He also did all the things he did before because god doesn't change.

Zeusus Krish = Jesus Christ.

He died for our sins 2016AD, yet atheists still didn't want to believe him? Well... I have said my own. Zeusus Krish is for real because he has come to the world more than ten times. When he would come again, it could be worst, only that all the while he has been coming, he has only been coming to punish those who believes in him, having eaten his flesh and drunken his blood.

He was the Tiger of the tribe of Tibeth 4,000 years ago, but 2,000 years ago he was the Lion of the tribe of Judah. You know how dangerous lions and tigers could be. Well... Zeusus Krish has promised to return quickly to pour out his wrath upon the churches.

All Christians should remain steadfast in Zeusus Krish. Now Atheists can see that Zeusus Krish is very real.

Read more in the DOCTRINE OF THE UFOS given to me by EARTUM.

Hahahahaha i have now repented and have given my life to Dionysus Jesus, Krish-Jesus, Zeusus-krish.

How many of them do we have?

Nice one bro...

spacyzuma:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

what's funny na?

ValentineMary:
Oh and here comes d smart theist.

You still at this bro, pheeeeew you get time shaaa...

Talk2bryant:
@Johnydon22 please what will happen to man when milkdromeda happens? Are we going to feel the impact? Or we are just going to see new stars fill our sky?

The first fact is that humanity won't survive that long but assuming it happens now, the gravitational surge will throw the solar system a little further away but the planets will still be alright maybe a little perturbation but it will survive...

Even though our constellations do change with our position in the galaxy, with the eventuality of milkromeda Our constellation will change drastically and a bright huge visible light will perpetually paint our night sky.

girl4rmspace:
lol thanks but this aint fiction, am not an earthling you know

I am sure you are not

LastMumu:
No one should thank any _fucking god for her live, if the god has any power has claimed by you folks, he should have prevented the accident from happening in the first place or try save the lives of the 18 other Christians that perished in the bus.

The real unsung heroes here are the medical staff that have sacrificed hours and efforts to ensure Joy comes out of coma. The hero who deserves our praise is the emergency team that speedily ensured Joy got the needed medical attention before we lost her to the hands of death. Those are the ones who deserve our praise, not some powerless non-existent and useless god you folks fool yourself with.

It is very disturbing brother, i am actually wowed how people can be this insensitive and moroni_c..

1/18 oh thank God what a miracle.. like WTF do these guys smoke

Can't people simply understand that there is nothing in charge of these stuffs it was an accident and someone survive by chance probably due to her position in the bus and the severity of the impact of her exact position.

If there is anybody capable of saving the whole 18 passengers and decides to save one at the moment of impact then that's a huge imbecilic show of incompetency..

This is the problem with religious beliefs, encourages such disturbing ego no wonder christians thinks they deserve for the alleged creator of the universe to find their keys and help them win games and not save dying starving Children.

I shudder at such disturbing mindset. . . I treated it here on one of my topics.

johnydon22:
Being in a religiously saturated society i couldn't help but notice the selfishness exhibited by people...

A man once had an accident and was rushed to the hospital, a woman rushed to the scene and seeing the car had a striking resemblance to her husband's car was tensed and afraid until she saw the man involved and realized it wasn't her husband.

She was beside me, she sighed and said "Oh thank God it's not my husband, accident is not our potion"

The question that came to my mind and i asked her was "Whose potion is it and is accident the potion of that man? Will his family also thank God for it and is your husband worth saving than him"

She gave me a glaring look and walked away. Imagine the selfishness, she doesn't care someone had an accident she is happy its not someone that concerns her. And this we see in everyday people.

This uncanny selfishness and inability to relate to the suffering of others i find to be a disturbing trait instilled into people by some religious doctrines. It is as wicked as it is disturbing for one to rejoice and give thanks to their God for the misfortunes of others.

This i saw in one thread opened in the religion section where someone emphasized that by logging into nairaland and seeing the number of victims of tragedies and bad circumstances you should be happy and give thanks to God

https://www.nairaland.com/2657619/why-u-should-thank-god

. . . https://www.nairaland.com/2770877/sad-watch-video-tell-me

for what?

Leaving them experience tragedy and not you?

you are more deserving than others?

Such ideas are not only disturbing, it is extremely selfish, wicked, evil and a detriment to fully exhibiting human compassion in the face of other people's misfortunes because you will be busy thanking God that it is not you..

Thanking God for saving you from misfortunes shows you think God determines who misfortunes befall or not, so you are more deserving to be saved and not the countless million others out there ..


I ask is it right to bank on the tragedies of others to celebrate our own good
fortunes?

Is it right to rejoice over the misfortunes of others because it led to us being promoted; like a testimony i listened to where a man said he got promoted in his office to his dream post when another of his colleagues got fired without cause, it was a happy turn of event for him and so he was rejoicing and so was the church with him.

and they all forgot someone was really crying for loosing his source of
livelihood.

Have watched many Christians pray for the wealth of others to be given to them, yet in the delusional superstition of unnecessary fear they will accuse others of hoarding their wealth in the spirit therefore branding some unsuspecting fellow a devil.

who among you two is the devil here...?


Isn't it enough to agree that in the wonderful random world of ours that evil and good keeps the balance. that misfortune and tragedies befall both good and bad persons alike, that none of us is more deserving than others.

By this we would be open to relate to the sufferings of others, to the pains of others, to the cries of others thereby letting our sense of human compassion reach out to those in these tragedies.

Why should people encourage others to swim in such delusive disturbing and overly selfish mindset as Thanking their respective God in the face of other people's misfortunes because it was not them

www.nairaland.com./2770915/disturbing-religious-selfishness-eroding-compassion

nynbrada:
Hehehe,,......yeye guy, na you go tire.

I neva finish with you and your ilks, when i dey through with una, na you go literally dey beg me make i stop.

On a lighter note,,,....how far na??

Lol

ValentineMary:
As I said earlier, for a guy who thinks pillars hold d clouds, u can't obviously understand cell biology. Not that bullshit u did in sec school. As Johnny said engaging u is an obvious waste of time. Have a nice day

Everyone is at different stages of consciousness, there is a certain stage you attain when all you want is to speak your truth and not try convince people of it.

You begin to realize we all have our own path, so to say; You cannot convince a baby that he/she should be walking when he/she is at the stage of crawling.

to convince the baby of that truth is irrelevant.

Just like the Plato's allegory of caves, people in the dark fixed onto an illusionary reflection in the dark cage would be aggressive to any new idea because it's shatters their illusion of reality at the same time exposes them to the light that will hurt their eyes since they are used to the darkness.

so their aggression, frustration, anger and continuous use of invectives while defending their preciously held beliefs and ideas being threatened by the illumination of a contradicting idea is understandable

Seelurd:
Oga johnydon or johny just come. Its 5 days now have been coming to check for update and get disappointed. Or you wan make i grow old in waiting for it or you wan turn am to second coming of jesus christ? You better come do the needful before i...................................

I am sorry boss abeg no do wetin deh your mind oo. lol.. it's just that i am rarely chanced these days but i promise you will get the next episode As soon i can draft it..

micodon:
You lot have succeeded in derailing this thread. Congratulations.

the most important thing is that some have learnt from it the information intended to pass with it.

those making it "a god exist or not" is simply a show of insanity

ValentineMary:
Humans contain over 200 bones. Can u say humans are bones humans contain over 10 ¹² cells. Are humans cell ?

And who told u scientist don't understand d complexity of d cell? Oga if u are ignorant about something just shut up and say I don't know. From a guy who thinks protein is a cell, I don't expect much though.

Waste of time bro give it a rest ... People are reading the discussions and people knows an angry frustrated over aggressive individual when they see one

girl4rmspace:
well there are lots of galaxies i havent explored so finding a new home would be easy.

As for the black holes, i travel in a cosmic bubble shield, and this shield is an anti blackhole means of transportation, so black holes wouldnt be a problem as i can navigate through space anyhow i see fit. That's how i got here.

As for whether or not the place would be more civilized than earth? Well i dont know yet. I guess i would have to find out when i eventually leave

You can be a master writer of Science Fiction.. I love your imaginative creative abilities

Anas09:
Maybe you should start by defining Faith. When definding Faith, two words Stands out. SUBSTANCE AND EVIDENCE.
Get off talking about matters that are beyond you dear, you are an Atheist.

Maybe you should first start by reading the article again if you even did at first.

nynbrada:
Yeah! But when you were getting the "good", "very correct" at the beginning, it sure sounded like someone you weren't gonna get sensible discussion with.

Prof, go siddon joor.

All i see here is an overated local champion hemorrhaging badly intellectually.

Hahahahaha more insults and frustrated rants... I love this, seems like i really hit where it hurts..



Get ready bro, more articles like this are coming.. You go throw insults tire

NairaCityBlog:
with all due respect, what is the use of putting up a story online if not for people to read ?? besides, my readers send me numerous stories into my email and thats why even not knowing the writer, i always put a DISCLAIMER because at NairaCityablog will never take credit for someone else piece!

There is always a policy everywhere to seek someone's approval before using their property, i also put up a disclaimer on my story that before you repost any part of it you must have a direct authorization from me.

Nairaland also encourages that (seun lalasticlala mynd44) this you copy and post of my work is in direct violation of my rights as the owner going by my disclaimer of which surely you know i can take your blog down for.

So next time before you use someone's story first seek their permission.
you do may do well to remove all my stories here now cus i gave no such permissions for you to use them here or anywhere.

Mynd44 lalasticlala please look into this now

ValentineMary:
O boy go sleep u no get anything to say. Engaging u would be a waste of time.

You see someone venting the word "trash trash trash" like its rap music and you expect to have a good sensible discussion with such a person?

Lmao bad idea.

That'd be a total waste of precious time and intellectual morsels.

nynbrada:
[s]

Gargantuan heap of trash.

Root cause:

Definist Fallacy.

Solution:

- The lot of you Atheist here should go and give you life to Christ and stop deceiving yourselves.

Next,,.......

Hahaha i always like how my posts makes you guys feel, really mad and i love it

that was the plan..

NairaCityBlog:
Before u make accusations, look up and see the Disclaimer and tell me when i claimed being the writer ??

Please i never said you claimed being the writer .. I only asked why you are posting my stories without permission sir?

malvisguy212:
I am very busy, I will quote this post later.you do realize that your love ones belive in God, don't insult people who believe in God. This is what you complain about in your first post.

The truth doesn't lean to satisfy our feelings and our ego, that would mean we twist the truth to become untruth.

the truth is like an arrow, it will hurt some people when shot but must be shot none the less.

here is what i find lunatic

William Harwood defined Insanity as the ability to hold on to a conviction
incompatible with evidence and in the same sense defines faith to be the ability
to hold a conviction incompatible with evidence.

In order words shows Faith to be reconcilable with willful or unwillful insanity.
I'd like to disagree with him and say that even though faith means the ability
to hold on to a conclusion incompatible with evidence it only becomes a show
of insanity when one propagates an idea held on to by faith to be true…

so first you never read the article, if you did you would have seen the post above.. I don't care what you believe by Faith but once you knowing fully well that it is an act of faith pushes for your belief to be taught as truth, it is a fraud, lie and an act of lunacy.

I was not insulting the people who believe in God(s) not at all. . what i find lunatic is equating an act of faith to be an absolute truth.

Pyrrho:
Johnydon,

All the testimonies christians present these days all have the same self-deceiving features?

"I'm alive. God have been protecting me and my family. Everything is rosy and smooth... I haven't fell sick in 2 months... He has been providing for my family..."

Like all others on earth are suffering and already dead.

Express lunacy of professed faith.
E.G one that is very ill and is in the hospital placed on life support.

Doctor: how are you feeling today?
Patient: I am good God's grace is keeping me alive.
Doctor: oh really then there is no need for the life support then let me remove it.
Patient: Nooooooo you want to kill me?
Doctor: but i thought God's grace is the one keeping you alive not the life support.
Patient: Uuuhm it's a metaphor

malvisguy212:
secret cult discourage its member from asking question, many religious book does so. But the bible challenge every christian to search for the truth.

what do you think a religion is? A religion is a cult that has gone public

In john 5:39 the bible say search the scripture, and in the book of isaiah God is calling mankind to come let us reason together.

Now let me provide for you where the bible discourages doubt, scepticism expressly to uphold blind faith.

James 1:6
But he must ask in faith without any doubting, for the one who
doubts is like the surf of the sea, driven and tossed by the wind.

1 Timothy 6:20-21 O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you,
avoiding worldly and empty chatter and the opposing arguments of what is
falsely called "knowledge "-- which some have professed and thus gone
astray from the faith. Grace be with you.

"Blessed are those who do not seen but believe

I can provide countless verses where the bible discourages arguments, doubts, scepticism to protect "Uncertainty" (faith) which is the worse form of intellectual dishonesty and quagmire.

malvisguy212:
sooo many things, I cannot named it. God has been Good to me. I would've been dead long time ago, by His Grace am alive.

LOL this is Faith speaking not evidence and faith is willful lunacy there are some that also think "A stone" they worship keeps them alive.

Lets have a demonstration 'One bullet in the head' lets see what's keeping you alive..