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malvisguy212:
liar,skepticism a threat to christian faith ? Then why does the bible encourage christians to ASK questions ? John the baptist doubt at some point, did jesus condemn him ? Jeremiah doubt at some point, did God condemn him ? See, christians don't fight those who question their faith, ask an unbias atheist, they will tell you its true. Its is islam that does that.

If skepticism is not encouraging to christians faith, why does the bible encourage it ? Narrow is the way that lead to eternal life, FEW will go in their says the BIBLE, what does it imply ? God don't want large congregation, God want men with GENUINE FAITH, you speak like this because your faith is POOR, why does the bible say Faith ALONE cannot save ? Because God don't want us to ignorantly believe everything we hear without proof. The bible even encourage us to test every spirit. So All what you type in the op does NOT make sense.

It is remarkably ironic the same person who believes the bible by "Faith" is using the bible as a hallmark to determine biblical sceptic positions.

If you lot ever employed scepticism independently outside your faith none of you would still hold such simpleton-like ridiculous beliefs.

I am sure you have learnt a vital lesson here: there is nothing as Evidential faith. Such a thing doesn't exist.

Richirich713:
The entity trinitarians call God comprises three persons, it's not three persons equal one person rather it's three Persons equal one Being.

This doesn't make sense as "Being" is the state of "living" "consciousness" "existence"

so three persons cannot be one being since they are separately conscious and supposedly separate existence.

Let me help you with a more understandable approach.

Trinitarian doctrine can be explained thus, GOD is an essence and within this essence there are three persons, co-equal, co-eternal.

even though three distinct persons there are none the less ONE in their essence and unity as GOD

herald9:
You might soon run mad

Honestly i was laughing while reading his posts .. God is three persons but 1 being.. serious "being" is the position of person hood so still same thing as person.

My bro was not really making sense though no wonder catholics always employ the good ol saint augustine's allegory tactics to evade answering the trinity inconsistency.

I have lived in Enugu since i was born still lives there, the life style in Enugu made me a complete opposite of life style in lagos.

I stayed in Lagos for two months and knew the peaceful calm and orderly Enugu environment i was used to made me unable to cope with the fast going, rugged and uncaring environment lagos had to offer..

I and my uncle entered the lagos shuttle city bus for 170 from V.I. i told my uncle that in Enugu, the city shuttle bus is #30 no matter where it is you are going...

he laughed and said "chai enugu, thats like free bus na" lol..

I stayed in a bus for 4 hours from going to ikeja, i nearly died and the very air was toxic from all the car emissions..

I think Enugu is really very good to live in if you like peace of mind and body and relatively low cost of living..

I'd say ENUGU
UYO
IBADAN

SirWere:
Faith No please; spare me the horror and provide evidence.





One funny thing though is that Faith in a sense is responsible for placebo effects in the human body.



But when one tells you to take something on Faith in the light of glaring blatant evidence that it is in the contrary; well, then,


Dump faith in the loo

Correct!

SirWere:
Hahahaha; Jesus go vex for im papa oooo
He might then even decide to side with lucifer and lead Spiritual Rebellion

Well since the Son has been sent and killed, didn't work, the spirit has come but doesn't work maybe we'd be sending the father soon to come and die this time.

I wonder who is going to carry the child (God ) and give birth to him.. Oh i know .

Rihanna!!!

SirWere:
Was told from a highly placed source that the horse is allegorical, he's actually coming in a Rolls Royce made of diamonds

Hahahahaha you better stop picking on Jesus, he's dad might no get the Joke and decide to kill him again

NairaCityBlog:
lol dropping shortly!!

Please i do not remember giving you permissions to publish my story on Nairaland..

I am John Agbaeze (Johnysky) the writer of this story originally posted it by my self on coolval22.com

http://www.coolval22.com/Vforum/topic/my-fathers-wife/

and also the second part

http://www.coolval22.com/Vforum/topic/my-fathers-wife-2-wrath-of-lust-by-johnysky/

Please i'd like to know why you are using someone's intellectual property without permission.

Let's start from there.

CltrAltDelicious:
Heard he drives an accord

Last i heard was a donkey but Jehovah witnesses say he'd be coming back riding a white horse...

malvisguy212:
CHRISTIANS ARE CALLED TO EXAMINE THEIR
BELIEF>>>>1 Thessalonians
5:19-21 Do not quench the Spirit; do not
despise prophetic utterances. But EXAMINE
everything carefully; hold fast to that which
is good… God wants us to know what we believe and why we believe it. We’re not called to numbly trust everything that might be
taught in our world today.Skepticism is important to the Christian faith; skepticism causes us to examine what we believe and search for the evidence that confirms our beliefs

But yet they are no objective evidences for your beliefs that is why you all still need faith.

You lot do not look for evidences to confirm your beliefs because the so called "evidences" are also upside down claims held unto by "faith". You only look for things to twist and lay even more claims of faith and say they are evidences.

You lot do not examine your beliefs cus if you did you wouldn't even hold them, scepticism is seen as a threat in Christianity if you lot had your ways you'd do anything to silence the mouths of sceptics and freethinkers of which i am one of..

I cannot begin to lay out the many angry mails i have received and still receive from angry christians who see my scepticism as a threat to their beliefs, the frustrated insults we get here on NL.

Scepticism is not encouraged in Christianity please stop the lies, that is why Children are discouraged from questioning their beliefs, bible or alleged words of God or they risk hell.

I asked a bus preacher a question yesterday and got "God works in mysterious ways" how does that encourage scepticism?

In fact you lot can do anything to do away with scepticism which is a flogging rod that has kept the Christian faith in moderation and is the gallow on which Faith is being murdered in this millennium of fast dwindling faith(s).

Richirich713:
Let’s put this together in a different form: one person, God the Father, plus one person, God the Son, plus one person, God the Holy Ghost, equals one person

That's not the trinity, it's not 3 persons equal 1 person.

Correct observation that's not trinity doctrine rather Unitarian

taurus25:
yeah.....after the long sermon he went on to say christain FAITH was EVIDENTIAL faith .....soo....

Asin eeeehn e tire me which one is evidential faith again... i wonder if these guy understands English at all.

Just jam two words that are blatantly incompatible and opposite into one without twitching.

How can something be evidential Faith..?

Since there is evidence then there is absolutely no need for faith since there is faith that means there is no evidence.

I can bet my phone the guy cannot explain the meaning of "evidential faith" because there is nothing like that just some bro having a cognitive trouble.

Yeah i think Jesus' car broke down on his way here

malvisguy212:
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IN CONCLUSION;
Christians can be "case makers" precisely because the Christian faith is an evidential faith. The Christian faith is an evidential faith.
https://www.nairaland.com/2148108/christian-faith-based-upon-evidence

It baffles me how you guys manage to jam two opposite words into one and still do so with a straight face.

I am wowed at how someone can jam "Faith" and "evidence" into one with a straight face, that is totally ridiculous like saying a water is both extremely hot and icy-cold at the same time.

either this is a severe case of ignorance on what is "Faith and evidence" are or plain ol cognitive dissonance and laziness or as usual intellectual dishonesty.

Faith and evidence are incompatible.

where there is Evidence there is no faith and none needed cus there is certainty..

Faith is only needed when there is no evidence.

the two never mixes and cannot mix cus they are blatantly opposites. .

Faith is a very popular word used everyday in our society, there are many context by which this word is injected but the most popular being the Religious context …

The English Dictionary defines Faith as A feeling or conviction that something is true without having any empirical evidence for it

Which literally means you only need conviction to the subject not evidence of it's actuality.

In the religious sense : Professed faith is the basis of every religion, belief system or belief class.

Is this profession of Faith a Virtue or Lunacy?

There is a difference between "Knowing" (certainty) and "belief" (faith"

When something is proven directly in the empirical sense it leaves the realm of opinion, it becomes a FACT and you have no need to believe it rather you are certain of it.

But when something is unproven in the empirical sense there is need for "Faith" to be exercised to believe such proposal.

In a way Faith deals with emotion which drives the conviction to be stuck to whether it is true or not.

Is Faith a trustable means of deduction?

This is a "NO"

Because faith is directly an admittance of uncertainty, an admittance of empirical blindness.

Imagine if scientific study worked with Faith: I cannot determine what causes these hurricanes but i believe it is the sea getting angry, i believe it by faith and i believe it's true"

Imagine what a world of unparalleled ignorance ours would be if we relied on Faith for our study and deductions of things that are.

We would only be swimming in total ignorance, a blind conformity to speculations and emotional convictions.

When there is evidence of a given idea nobody needs faith to believe, you and i do not believe there is a star shinning 8light minutes beside us, No we do not believe that we need not employ faith to believe it rather We know of it

So faith as a concept only is employed when someone is not sure but none the less maintains the subject of believe to be true.

which in essence is both dishonest and blind and cannot be a trusted means of deduction since it blinds certainty and directly or indirectly upholds dishonesty.

Virtue or Lunacy

William Harwood defined Insanity as the ability to hold on to a conviction incompatible with evidence and in the same sense defines faith to be the ability to hold a conviction incompatible with evidence.

In order words shows Faith to be reconcilable with willful or unwillful insanity.

I'd like to disagree with him and say that even though faith means the ability to hold on to a conclusion incompatible with evidence it only becomes a show of insanity when when propagates an idea held on to by faith to be true

If we relied on faith then everything actually can be.

-You can believe in God(s) by faith
-You can believe in Unicorns by faith
-You can believe in a diamond dog pig by faith
-Or a talking donkey
-flying horse or anything at all your mind can conceive but here is the plain truth.

Having a faith that something is does not make it true, your faith no matter how strong cannot, does not and will never make something true, not even probably true, it only shows you hold on to the conviction whether it is true or not

Such positions is not a virtue but rather a mark of dishonesty.

And such concepts as having a stoic conviction in the absence of evidence should not be celebrated in a 21st century marked in history by outstanding rate of scientific breakthroughs and information.

It is an enemy to the intellectual evolution of our species therefore can be regarded a dangerous factor.

How can one study to empirically ascertain the cause of thunder when he already believes by Faith that sango causes it?

He absolutely cannot since he already thinks he has an answer, even though uncertain his profession of faith in his answer makes him feel that there is certainty in that uncertainty therefore a probe to the actual eventuality is irrelevant and unneeded.

So Faith employed in our deductions will mar our ability to ascertain what is true whilst keeping us in a sheepish agreement to what we feel or want to be true

Faith and God(s)

The idea of God(s) and Faith has always being like a man and wife, every belief system in this world professes a conviction in a certain God or Gods by an act of Faith.

As uncertain as it is Faith becomes a virtue, i find that absolutely absurd.

We do not need faith to agree to what we are sure of or empirically have deducted but somehow something as dire as God(s) is very vulnerable and vague that it can only be believe as an act of Faith.

We need to conform to a blindness and dishonesty of conviction to possess such a belief.

I absolutely need something more than Faith to believe something as critical as God(s) (the conventional definition) exists.
Faith is the opposite of certainty and to hold on to such a position will be a mark of dishonesty and naivete on my path.

Having a rational and imaginative outreach is totally fine, healthy and relevant to our intellectual deductions but we must while at it also remember to bear in mind that while rationality can take us to boundless possibilities without empiricism it is blind and uncertain therefore cannot be trusted.

The Black Cat analogy

Here is a small analogy of how deductions by Faith works, i will use the black cat analogy to explain the Philosophical, Theological (faith) and scientific (study) methods of deductions.

- Philosophy is like being in a Dark room searching for a black cat, contemplating where it might be.

- Science is like being in a dark room searching for a black cat with a torch light (empirical method)

-While theology is like being in a dark room searching for a black cat and shouting "I have found it!" but yet cannot provide it.

Even though (1) philosophy is profound, boundless and eloquent it is yet limited by the absence and herculean need of empiricism.

Even though (2) is painstakingly utilizing the torch of empiricism in order to derive certainty, it is limited by boundaries and slow pace which is as a result of need for confirmation to fuel empirical deductions.

(3) theology though lacking empiricism of science and the boundless nature of philosophy maintains an absolute answer none the less and sticks to it by a profession of faith, that is only a show of dishonesty which in this case can be equated to lunacy.

The employment of Faith

-Faith in moderation is HOPE, it maintains uncertainty but never claims truth is achieved but rather agrees to wish the subject is true.

This position of HOPE is good as long as that which is hoped for is not regarded as absolute truth.

-But hard core faith is maintain something believed by faith must be true even though agreeing from the profession of faith to be on a boat of uncertainty.

That is more like asking you to feel good in your own ignorance.

Faith is corrosive to the human mind, Do you genuinely think it is right to believe something by Faith which removes reason, logic and empiricism.

then it is evident enough such a thought is open and vulnerable to any whim, coercions, dogmas and many very dangerous ideas abound.

If you are honestly convinced that it is acceptable and virtues to develop a belief or maintain a stance based on faith, it was written in an ancient book, a teacher told you you must believ it.

Then you will have no freedom of thought but rather will be trapped by your own FAITH in inconsistencies and untruths because such convictions also maintains one be unable to discard such beliefs held without evidence when evidence against them comes along.

If there really is need to have God(s) then it shouldn't be based on Faith, something that dire should rely on something better. It should rely on certainty and not uncertainty.

-Agreeing faith as a basis for a belief in God(s) reveals an excuse that you believing something because you absolutely have no other tangible feasible reasons to.

To me, i'd rather put my confidence in rational deductions illuminated by empiricism (empirico-rationalism) as our study (science we call it utilizes), i'd rather rely on logic and reason and never on something as vaguely employed as Faith.

Faith is a dishonest value, it entails and insertion of stoic conviction conceived against reason and needs to be defended against reason, if you rely on faith to believe anything then you absolutely have no reason to believe it in the first place.

God(s) and belief systems rely on FAITH which is an agreement of uncertainty, vague and assumptive, That'd would be stark dishonesty to maintain such assumptive idea is true.

Our progress rather should be measured by the depth of our questions and the sincerity of our answers and our ability to agree to what is true (empirically) than believe what we want, feel should be true or what feels good to our ego.

The ideas of FAITH should be annulled in order to propel the intellectual advancement of our species.

Lets throw away the idea of convictions by Faith rather lets try to find things out and in so doing derive certainty.

Faith in this regard becomes a foe and not a virtue.

classicada:
please, how does one avail oneself of a telescope that can be used to view our planets clearly.
Is it available in the market?
please reply

Yes it is available in the Market but i am afraid not in the Nigerian night sky, but you can see good powerful choices on Amazon.

A good friend here promised to get me one when coming to Nigeria, i absolutely can't wait.

HardMirror:
See his mouth. heard 7 bottle and quickly tabled his choice beer.

Hahahaha just 1 or 2

CltrAltDelicious:
Seven bottles of orijin for Johnydon22

The brand is Heineken or Star..

muhamadnur:
please whats that dark space that all the galaxies,planets,stars are in ?

its just space... a Void

All the people quoting me on a religious context i am sorry but you are all on a long thing i won't condescend that low as to reply such posts.

I am here for science.

I do not argue religions and beliefs here, if you want an arguement on that you all know exactly which section to mention me.

I won't degrade this thread to that level.

Toyolad:
@JohnyDon22, pls I have a somewhat funny question but that has been bothering me since I read about inter-stellar stuff..

Why do stars(Planets, galaxies) seem to twinkle when viewed from earth?

Distortion of light by the earth's atmosphere, the light from these sources travel light years to get here and are distorted by our atmosphere, like looking at a piece of stone on a clear flowing river.

Planets don't twinkle though, that is the way you can distinguish planets from stars in our night sky. they don't twinkle and look a bit fuzzy.

and eerm, if the universe is infinitely spacious, how did we come about knowing about the black hole at the CENTRE...there shouldn't be any centre right?

The galaxy has a blackhole in the center not the entire universe.

ever811:
make I hold my bible close to my chest b/4 on oyibo nonsense theory wey no dey for bible go come confuse me..na only see them they see the galaxy? make them try reach there na!! when there telescope no know wetin to do again d thing go dey confuse come the misbehave,them them go come write am down carry one name give am say make I believe nooooonnnnnssssensssse..

so anything not written in the bible is nonsense to you?

This exactly when religious beliefs becomes dangerous, it diminishes our youths and mars our intellectual evolution keeping Africa in sheepish ignorance that even the whites who brought these religions here have abandoned it.

well i don't see "Phone" in the bible why are you using one, drop the ancient book and pick up educating books this is the 21st century not a bronze age period.

#Sighs . . . I weak

https://cdn-7.normalbreathing.com/images-2011/man-sighs.jpg

Ayam tired of this snake trend useless as they are, ayam more so to the fact the mods seem really wedded to anything about snakes which has made any Johnbull and rosekate go about opening snake threads cus they know "snakes" earns you a first class ticket to the front page

What's all this for crying out.

One of the reasons most Nigerian youths always swim in intellectual mediocrity even though educated, most Nigerian internet platforms go about promoting useless topics while ignoring sound enlightening and mind pricking topics.

Anyway i guess they are just giving the youths what they want to see

Kenyans are practically intimidated by the name Nigeria ... they so wish there were as popular and full of potential like us.

though this present administration #sigh i hope they don't drag us back to the dark ages.

We are in the Orions arm

The sun, Earth, and the rest of the solar system are located about 27,000 light-
years away from the Milky Way’s Galactic Center, on the inner edge of a minor
arm of the galaxy, named the Orion Arm

It was a Goddess' breast milk

This is not funny, its true... The ancient greeks after observing the milky way band running through the sky with lights meshed like a spilled milk after wondering what it was or might be they concluded it was a spilled Milk from the Goddess Hera's breast wife of the God zeus.

And that was exactly where it literally got it's name The Milky way

They said it was as a result of thr Goddess Hera removing her breast from the baby Heracles when she realize the baby wasn't hers.

They called it Galakticos which means MILKY.. The word "galaxy" was hewn from that.

https://www.randomhistory.com/photos/2014/origin-milky-way.jpg

DrayZee:
Dark Matter.

Not really, Dark matter are also parts of a galaxy just like normal matter. it is hypothesized there are even dark matter galaxies.

but Space is more like it with strayed intergalactic stars (Stars that not part of any galactic cluster but are just lone orphan strayed stars beaming alone without being part of any galaxy)

chidozy15:
If you replace stars with naira you could be reporting on money stolen by politicians in Nigeria

Hahahahaha

sagacious2016:
Nope. The stars visible to the eyes on a clear night is the beautiful Andromeda galaxy that is very close to us.

the andromeda is 1 out of all the visible lights in our night sky and not even always visible, its only visible that time of the year when the constellation Andromeda comes up.

Andromeda is not really close 2million light years away, it a big galaxy with almost a trillion stars thats why from that distance it is bright enough to be seen as a dot of light from earth.

The stars you see at night are neighbouring suns in their own systems the closest being the alpha centauri

dolphinheart:
@ johnydon22

pls what's the pillar(s)of creation. is it a galaxy, part of a galaxy or just another thing in space.

It's a nebula.. A nebula is a huge interstellar cloud that can be many light years big..

And nebulas are also part of galaxy most times nursery for the births of new stars due to their wealth in hydrogen

AnalyticEngine:
You have a solid point sha. It is also ridiculous for you to conclude prematurely that I am affiliated with religion on the basis of my mentioning 'bible.'

Oh i am only arguing against that position buttressed using the bible

bulldoza:
This is fallacy Stop exaggerating

Humour me... Please tender the correct figure sir