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Jeromejnr:
Good thing you were smart enough to say it was an hypothesis.
So let me try put something in you head. Big crunch as you call it still proves my point.

Collapse is the opposite of expansion isn't it. I said before Space was expanding before there was collapse in gravitational fields that birthed the big bang. You said Big bang is an expansion, science says big bang was as a result of a collapse. Expansion is opposite to collapse.

Look at the definition of the big crunch:
"In physical cosmology, the Big Crunch is one possible scenario for the ultimate fate of the universe, in which the metric expansion of space eventually reverses and the universe recollapses, ultimately ending as a black hole singularity or causing a reformation of the universe starting with another big bang."
So I don't know how you say Big Bang was an expansion.

Am so glad you googled it up..

Big crunch proposes that this universe was as a result of a singularity caused by the collapse of another universe just like a blackhole is caused by the collapse of a star core at an infinite point of gravitational force.

You are not even saying the big bang was an explosion anymore. . . lol..

Jeromejnr:
Lol! You know the funny thing about this Johnydon22 guy is that he accepts he doesn't know about the creation of universe [but still goes on to bring theories that are still speculations and calling them facts.
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Jeromejnr:
You see, If we are to go by your notion, then how do you know the universe is
not in it's perfect state? Is it possible that your definition of perfection is
different from that of the universe? You were taught in school perfection is
when nothing goes wrong but should all be in what we call a happy state. Well
if the mind of humans cannot grasp the whole concept of the universe how is it
we came up with our own theory of what perfection is? What if perfection
according to the "mind" of the universe includes all what you call imperfect
entity? You see you can't sit down with your puny brain in your room and say
what is and what is not for the universe. I am sure this concept will be deep for
you. So you see, at the end of the day you have no claim. Note: I am not even
taking God here. Because what you wrote up there does not even relate with
the biblical God.

For there to be intelligent entities there has to be an intelligent creative force.
Intelligence cannot come out of unintelligence.

Hmm, Primitive. That knew a lot in science before our age
Now this will bring me to a question I will throw to you if interested

Jeromejnr:
Okay so now you are not a big bang theorists.

So your claim is that the tightly packed dense point later expanded which brought the big bang. But science says the density collapsed even further by gravitational force which caused the Big Bang. Which is why Scientists still wonder why the the Universe has not recollapsed ever since.

How is a star formed? Is it not by this same concept? Are they formed by expansion?

Okay my apologies. I regard anyone who doesn't believe in God an atheist. But Yyet you guys love to put up Hawking's memes to spite theists.

Hmm! you were so quick to judge that it blinded you from message passed. Beside you took two unrelated points and meshed them together. Lets see that post in context shall we.

We agree the Big bang created the universe. But here it said when it was 10 exponent -34 seconds old, then it experienced an inflation. Which mean the universe had already in some billions of seconds been created before a force caused the speedy inflation or expansion as you say.

Further showing that the singularity started undergoing a reaction and led to an expansion..

Now will you do so well to agree that you were wrong asserting the Big Bang was an explosion which your own link just proved you wrong..

I never argued with you on this.

Yeah you only argued it was an explosion..

Speculate? I never speculated anything. But instead used your science against you. What you call facts are in fact assumption is science.

The notion that nature was finite was not my notion but a scientists. Have you heard of "Fredkin"?

FOLYKAZE:
Do those things God represent not existing?
You are seeing it gradually.

sonmvayina:
don't close your mind..you will not learn anything with that mentality......continue to search, you will get an answer that makes good sense..this is history, stop looking at it from a religious point of view..the early Christian stole it to control the masses..this is mans' history..either you accept it or you don't, no body is forcing it down your throat...these are beings that that the early people saw, most of those writings where not done by men but the Gods....like the cylinder seal of Marduk, or the Enuma Elish, or the 7 tablets of creation..open your mind, you still have a lot to learn...stop referring to them as myths, they are not....

Alright sir. . . Enuma Elis was written by the Gods. . . Noted

Jeromejnr:
Ah! But I am one step ahead of you.

Refer back to my post.

Infinity can create Finity if it had a mind and will of it's own.

Lmao you see just how unfounded assertions can lead to weak run around.


Since infinity does not have a mind of it's own in the case of a singularity, isn't it then obvious that the result of an infinite point can span both ways ..

Either in a finite or an infinite value of which has been observed.. . . You still have nothing boy..

God has a mind and will so as a result can decide to create finity.

But anyway I wasn't even using the scriptures for you but science against you in which some have said nature is finite.
But scriptures say otherwise. But we talking science now.
Because the matter here will be the concept of the will.

Lmao... which scriptures. . .who exactly was going to reply such primitive crap..

Anyway the issue now is before you bring up more links, read them first..

Jeromejnr:
Wikpedia again
First of all, Big Bang was not an expansion of the bla, bla bla you wrote up there. .

Secondly, The universe came as a result of a dense point which was hot. But what is the meaning of a dense point? A dense point cannot be as a result of an expansion but a contraction. Dense:Tightly Packed. So this alone refutes your thesis.

Even Stephen Hawking a fellow atheists like you said it was as a result of gravitational force somehow collapsing on itself. So how was it a result of an expansion?

You gave me wikipedia, I will give you space.com and also Hawking speech who didn't lay claim to your expansion theory.
http://www.space.com/52-the-expanding-universe-from-the-big-bang-to-today.html

http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-beginning-of-time.html

Haha. So now I can see you base your life on speculations.
You have already determined that nature isn't finite when science says the concept is still yet to be answered.

Am sure you don't even really understand the concept of singularity.
Read this up and stop basing your life on speculations and saying it is a fact.
https://plus.maths.org/content/do-infinities-exist-n

MzNelly:
Lol...
Just take care of yourself for us, bae

I always do sweety...

Jeromejnr:
Firstly Big Bang is not an expansion but was an explosion. The Expansion of the universe came after the the Big Bang.
Which in turn created the known universe as we know. Now this known universe is in space. Universe=Galaxies, stars e.t.c
Now space on it's own is expanding and as a result of this expansion also stretches the known universe in which we live in. So we say the universe is also expanding. Big Bang is not even a cause of the expansion, it is space itself that is the cause. i.e ever before the big bang, space itself was expanding.

Secondly, as for singularity.. I am sure maybe you didn't study physics in school. Singularity represents an infinity. And nature is regarded as finite.

So If the Big Bang started as a result of an Infinity (Singularity), why did it give birth to finite nature? We expect that Infinity will give birth to it's likeness since it does not have a mind of it's own.

Thirdly, Intelligently refute my post.[/b]

Teempakguy:

hahn:
All I can see is a girl climbing a tree

Hahahahahaha e don finish me oo ...bad belle

malvisguy212:
I know you cannot give me the reason, I disagree with you when you say energy is eternal.

Jeromejnr:
Answer my singularity question first and don't dodge.
BTW didn't you just copy and paste the singularity issue from Hawkings claim?

Jeromejnr:
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You said big bang was an expansion and it was an expansion of a singularity.

First of all do you know what singularity is? Let me start with this.

Theories that have not been fully accepted is what you are dishing

Jeromejnr:
Mr man no divert discussion.
I will put up the piece and you must refute to prove you "intelligence".

BTW I reffered to this:
https://www.nairaland.com/2661330/scientist-declares-science-found-biblical

I expect you now to come up as usual with a smart way of making yourself always feel smart.

I spoke with some of your brothers yesterday and I discovered mehn...why do some people say these atheists are smart because from my conversations with them they seem like sheep's without shephards. I mean I couldn't even go far with them in the debate because they kept beating round the bush.

E.g Menesheh that keeps running away waiting for someone to help him out and Ifeness that said that humans created the air we breathe with our minds and the list goes on

So I said well, those guys are unintelligible and I now I have decided that [bltheir king[/b] help me with a piece that will be dedicated to you real soon.

So you guys happily commented here when I never even made an argument.

malvisguy212:
I want to ask you a question. Any reason why matter and its energy cannot be created nor destroyed?

Jeromejnr:
That wasn't even what I was talking about.

But I will be putting up a scientific piece as you say and I expect your comment.

MzNelly:
I thought you were sick...

Hahhahaha people like me don't get dead easily

still sick though but the medicine i took last night made it subside a bit. . I hope it doesn't put me down again as the day gets old though..

But the type of nonsensical threads that goes up here even make sick people wonder how humans could get that dumb..

Just had to romance my phone a bit ...

Jeromejnr:
Why don't you go through the religious section for yourself.

Okay so I have taken note of the atheists that commented here. I am going to be opening another thread. Make sure you guys don't dodge it as usual.

Aminat508:
dis girl look like Adeh39

Hahahahahaha i don't even know what Adeh39 looks like ...

krattoss:
go shout it to their ears, let me see whether u won't join the queue. go shout it to their ears, let me see whether u won't join the queue.

myproperty:
Guess what? I googled "The world's most notorious prophet" and whose name did I see?

Hahahahaha this is so so so ...... . . . I just googled it now and look what i got..

hahn:
Some people are of the notion that atheists are evil, satan's messengers or even a cult that are set to lead "believers" astray.

Their ignorance is only baffling

krattoss:
Every religion at on point in time, persecuted, but some have stopped while some are still persecuting

I wouldn't call what Islam is doing now persecution rather it is just some moro_nic irrational and mindless effect of subscribing to the dictates of some illiterate medieval sun baked arab man..

An average muslim doesn't have a problem with a full grown man marrying a girl of 10 but will call for the head of a person that insults some dead rotten delusional arab man.

An average muslim will laugh at the greek myth of Perseus having a flying horse but will shout and praise God that muhammed rode a flying horse. . is that not just plain imbecilic..

They will say Islam is a religion of peace but will kill to prove it. . is that not some chronic psychosis?


Is this not the action of people lacking basic human brains . . . Islam has turned many people who would have been normal people into crazy, savages of medieval standard in a 21st century of intense civilization..

hahn:
I guess there theists also need to understand that atheism is also not a declaration of belonging to a belief system. I cannot say I'm an atheist but rather I am atheist which only describes my non belief in a god. We don't hold meetings, do evangelism, pray, pay offering, kill people or wish them death/hell for not sharing our beliefs.

We simply don't believe in a supreme entity.

ENIGMA24:
........
This are the kind of girls that should be called "baby"
Lol

I am 6'9ft tall bro, so any girl would look that small with me. . . She is even barely a month younger