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Misogynist2014:
That God knew is the main point, the time frame is inconsequential.

Ok he knew, and he cannot be wrong which means adam and eve cannot choose to do another thing instead because if they did anything else then god fore-knowledge was wrong.. So now tell me where is the choice is this scenario?

Misogynist2014:
I'm a creationist, but I differ on the age of earth, not necessarily up to billions, it can be thousands, but certainly not in the 6 days. As for your question, [size=20]Yes, Johnydon22 [/size]

Hhmmm you modified it.. alright your answer is YES. ok..

Now i take it to mean god already knew adam and eve will eat the fruit billions of years before creating them right?

Misogynist2014:
I'm a creationist, but I differ on the age of earth, not necessarily up to billions, it can be thousands, but certainly not in the 6 days. As for your question, I don't know.

Very good you admit you don't know let me now put the questions to rest..

Now about your creationism, You believe the earth may be up to billions of year not created in 6 days. . do i take it to mean that you disbelief the biblical account?

Misogynist2014:
The earth might be billions of years old, no qualms, but every living thing is less than 7000 yrs old.

am not asking about the age of the earth... am asking about god being omniscient.. read my post again i said..
[size=20] And you believe god knows everything billions of years before they happen right? [/size]

But what is this you are saying every living being is less that 7000 years Please dont even bring it up, its embarrassing..

Misogynist2014:
No

very good... And you believe god fore-knows everything billions of years before they even happen right? omni-scient

Misogynist2014:
E.g. A woman prophesied that America is not going to hold the next elections, if it happens that it comes to pass, has she got anything to do with the whole process?

But yet the woman can be wrong and the election still will hold... so can god still be wrong when he fore-knows ur actions?

Misogynist2014:
In an action movie, each actor is to do as it is written of him in the script given to him,
he has no freewill in decision making, but God in his most wise counsel allowed
everything that came to pass to be, such that everything went on in a way that matches
His own will. Will repeat the thread on Sunday. I found it on the internet and saw it
makes a lot of sense.

that means that god do not have fore-knowledge of whatever anybody is going to do right?

i and my brother posing with two of our town masqurades..

This is a thread for every people from different places to represent their masqurade in pics..

Below is a picture of our masqurade..

An2elect2:
Why am i always sad whenever i come to the religion section?

Geee i wonder why

See long post, op take this una copy and paste easy naaa

Am i supposed to read all that.?

oya summarize it to me make we start?

Vick4rill:
if u read my quote very well u will understand that what am insinuating is that God alone knows the reason why things happend? I dont believe things happend with out reason

.. That reason is so so flawed..

RikoduoSennin:
Well, you take things at face value, good for you. As for me, I read, then I try to figure out why such a thing was said.

so you dont really mind if the story was false or not and you dont want to... Hhmm very nice

RikoduoSennin:
God's power was not the issue. The issue was about God's right to rule over All intelligent Creature. Illustrate; A Father's right to act as head over his children- a child may choose a way that could cause him harm just like man did, it has nothing to do with how powerful the Father is.

lmoa... you were the one that first implied original plan, are you chamging your stance now? here is your post

God will eradicate every pestilence with time, because he has the power too and he always keeps his promise. His original plan for human must come to pass.

So now its no longer about original plan that didnt work out in the first place, its now father/children relationship huh? lmao... thats a very weak attempt..

RikoduoSennin:
The above bold section is false!

lmao its false? thats why we have contradicting events in the gospels, even the so called gospels were not written by the people they bear their names, thats why we have tens of other gnostic gospels that didnt make it into the bible because of heavy contradictions and plagiarisms of other materials. . lol.. very false indeed. i can see..

RikoduoSennin:
Yahweh created everything. He said so. He explained how he create everything and they are harmonious with what Science says.

hahahhahaha he explained everything harmoniously with what science says like creating day and night and then creating the sun that supposed to be responsible for day and night four days later? chisoooooos this is too funny..

Are you aware that yahweh is a very young jewish deity they probably copied from the canaanite pentheon.. Gods like Mesopotamian Ea, Canaanite El, Egyptian Dieties, thousands of them predates yahweh by thousands of years and all claim to have created the universe..

Like the creation story you read in genesis that made you claim yahweh did it is actuall copied from the mesopotamian creation story that attributed the creation to the God 'Ea' . . . lol.
So you see the same way you believe yahweh did it, every other culture and religion believe their own God did it.. so which of them actually did..

RikoduoSennin:
Law and order, Cause and Effect, purpose.

Yes like galaxies colliding into each other, asteoids crashing into planets...incase you dont know . Our galaxy the milky way galaxy is actually on a collision course with the great andromeda galaxy.. Science 101.

RikoduoSennin:
The Universe is expanding is supported by the Bible- I don't remember the particular scripture now but I will get back to you.

The Location of our Solar system in the Milky way galaxy, the type of sun we have, the type of moon we have, the Size/ shape/ tilt /rotation/ elliptical path taken by our planet, the location of our planet in our solar system, Earths Magnetic shield, Water/Oxygen/Nitrogen cycle etc are not by chance but by Design.

What ..Lion !!! waiting for bible verse..Goodluck with that!

RikoduoSennin:
The Bible is unique and its information has stood the test of time. The other books hasn't eg Which of those other books claim to be inspired by God.

You dont know much about the bible i can clearly see.. A book that contains jewish mythological history some copied from older civilizations in almost half of all its pages was inspired by your god? Your god really did a very poor job with that poorly rendered, contradiction riddled jewish fiction.
The same way you claim this the muslims also claim their god inspired theirs but you probably dont believe this huh... irony? **sighs**

actually many more religious books claim god inspired let me give you examples.
Book of Mormon , Pearl of Great Price,
Doctrine and Covenants for mormons.

Guru Granth Sahib and the Dasam Granth Sahib for sihks

quran and hadiths for muslims.

talmud for jews.( not in the christian bible cus their messiah characteristics contradicts the one christianity came up with )

Shruti for hindhus...

clearly you have no knowledge of religions, next time dont argue over what you dont fully grasp

RikoduoSennin:
Wrong. Time and again, God has healed some specific humans. God exists.

which of the God?

and surely they will drag this crap to the front page.. **sighs** ok we've heard..

brize:
see how you read nonsense into my meaningful statements, if you can transform from negative to positive then you will surely deserve a hand applause, but no no, instead you read nonsense to the sense i have been making and is only trying to make you see, not to believe, but to just see the truth or did you see me telling you to succumb by force?? NO!! only if you retrieve your conscience and common sense and start reading meaning and senses into a statement then that's when you gonna understand this......... 22 harms of masturbation... Is up there. Scroll up and see it..... I will never answer those questions cos they are not worth answering.... Common sense suppose to give you the answer.. #JUST_RETRIEVE_IT

lmoa so those masturbatory myths you posted up there is your criteria? very laughable..

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masturbation change the self service to You know the word..
Go and read and learn... btw i love your question dodging techniques..

brize:
it's only when someone wants to be free that he can actually be free, i created this thread for some foolìsh and ignorant people who i know will find anything to back up their ignorant replies but i tell you, when the devil wish to get you fully in his possession then he will blind your common sense, the sense to connect to reality, guess that's what he is doing in your life now.....

first you brand people sinners, second you condemn them to hell now you call them foolish and ignorant. This is a wonderful exhibition of your so called good moral.. and you still have the mind to label people immoral. . thats hypocrisy of the highest order..

You cannot even address any of my questions, just resort to calling names, threats and even bringing in your mythical devil into the equation..

Lmao.. I can as well say that seth, the egyptian evil god is working in you now making you yap all this poo.. If you cannot address my questions then its real sad that you can never survive the world of skeptism for a day.. I advice again, mind your business and live your life. nobody gave you the right to condemn anybody for living their life the way they want, it is their life and none of your business...

speak for yourself.. i feel very relaxed, good and happy

Vick4rill:
yea dats my point bro

whats the purpose of ebola? population control

brize:
kids? They are better off than you.. Grab that

You see what i said? this is just about your religious conviction and you think it gives you the right to condemn what other people does even when they hurt no one, you go about threatening people with eternal torture and see nothing wrong in it.
Whereas you have failed to answer my questions.
how has masturbatn destroyed or harm the society?

why do you think masturbatn is immoral?

what is your yardstick for measuring morality?

is eternal torture moral too?
You really need to re-evaluate your convictions and learn how to mind your business when it comes to what people choose to do with their body, its theirs not yours...
Does anybody condemn you when you mutilate your body in the name of fasting.. better go get a grip

brize:
and you know na, as long as devil is happy, he will happily welcome you to hell..

lmao hell? prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrf tell that to kids.

orch119:
if you look at a girl its calld 'lust'; if u try to woo a lady, u ar calld 'a womanizer'; if u collect am by force, u ar a 'rapist'; to avoid pipo wahala u service ursef, u ar an adulterer #wot a lyf sef

my brother dont mind any body that wants to tell you how to live your life, its yours not theirs.. As long as looking at a woman doesnt hurt anybody, call it whatever you like i will always be looking women.
As long as wooing a woman doesnt hurt anybody, call it whatever u like i will woo her till infinity.
As long as banging hurts no one, infact it is pleasurable to both of us, call it whatever you like i will bang when i want..

As long as rape hurts the victim, it is not moral to me so i will never indulge in such nonsense.

Live your life the way you are, dont hurt others and thats life..

brize:
i created this thread for people like you and other 80% nairlander's ignorant minds... So am not suprise, johnydon?, i guess your baptismal name is JOHN or DOMINIC, but am sorry to say this, if you are actually trying to be funny here then get serious cos masturbation has eaten deep into our society that it causes damage when wont be able fix in a near e future if we don't start now

Nice you created this topic for people like me tho i dont know the people like me you mean..
Its John so you can call me johny..
First i dont self service cus i prefer banging to it... and secondly can you now tell us what damage masturbation have caused and how it caused it? Or are you just yappin based on your religious conviction that you think it is ok for you to condemn what other people do with their own body not yours and hurts no one in the act. What is you yardstick for measuring what is right or wrong...Mind you masturbatn is a normal act found in most animals not only humams..

so this god doesnt care enough to help the dying poor children all over the world, he is busy minding what i do with my own body..lmao.. #He doesnt know which is more important or what

RikoduoSennin:
Balaam's donkey talked! And you as an intelligent being just take it like that or conclude immediately that its just a fan fiction like "How tortoise have broken shells". When you have been to a puppet show- let me know.

Balaam's donkey talked, i as an intelligent being just take it as it is.. the same way i take the story of tortoise and lion.. fabricated fiction.

RikoduoSennin:
God will eradicate every pestilence with time, because he has the power too and he always keeps his promise. His original plan for human must come to pass.

If he was all powerful why didnt his original plan work in the first place, or he want to give it a trial now?

RikoduoSennin:
Jesus existed, its a fact, if Jesus did not exist- Men like Alexander the great did not exist either. Evidence exists that Pontius Pilate and Caiaphas the High priest (both men who tried Jesus) existed.

Lmao.. modern history has its roots it autenticated sources and achaelogical evidences to verify the autenticity of any historical claim. Yet evidence have been found in many non-mecodonian sources pointing to emperor alexander or historical figures like julius ceasar. Thats why you dont see scholars arguing over their existence. But we only have unverifiable, poorly written christian gospels claiming that some guy who was a demi-god (son of a god and man) was once on earth. Of course it is taken same as the story of other demi-gods Hercules and Persus.. Mythology.

RikoduoSennin:
God who created everything is Real.

which god? Allah, yahweh, horus, odin, mithras, zeus, el, molech, dagon, krishna, chineke, olorun, sango? and why do you think that particualar deity did it and not the others? and how did you know that particular diety did it?

RikoduoSennin:
How did I know: Creation speaks of his Glory and Existence. The Design in the universe proves it.

What is your criteria for determining what is designed? How did you know the universe is designed.

Study have shown that the universe the universe is still expanding which means its still on its formation process. You get stars dying and new ones being born, galaxies colliding on galaxies and asteroids crashing into planets and this chaos points to design to you? If it was designed then it means this god is yet not through with creating his universe judging from the fact that the universe is still evolving.

RikoduoSennin:
The bible confirms it

aaah yes the bible! Just like the quran confirms allah, homers illiad confirms zeus, enuma elish confirms the God ea did it, Amun ra confirms the egyptian god did it and so on..

5minsmadness:
Type your name and surname on Google. Anything show up? If no then you don't exist.





Stop making Google your god.

hey he is not making google his friend... isn't it strange that no result of that book turned up in his google search.. All you can do for him now is tell him how you got to read it

Seequadry:
what's this rubish GEJ and his people are sharing

and what is this rubbish thread doing in religion section... Dont you know where the politics section is?

imbless:
sorry that was a mistake

lol.. ok bro

imbless:
can't u see that I quoted mrpresident's post?

nope below is my post that you quote asking me to beware

johnydon22:
He knew lucifer would turn bad and rebel yet created him anyway..

He knew he would burn billions of people in hell for eternity over something he already pre-destined them to do yet he created them anyway.

He knew saul would turn bad yet made him king and afterwards regretted making him king when he already knew even before he was made king..

the list could go on and on and on... OMNISCIENT...prrrrrrrrrrrf joke

and my question to you now is "how does beware bla bla bla shit answer my questions?

imbless:
God is a merciful father, and a consuming fire when angry.
So beware!!.

and how does this answer the question

Sanchez01:
Slimbiggy, your question is indeed thoughtful. Well, I hope my little response grow in you

God created man for a loving relationship; a loving relationship must be a free-relationship. We should be thankful that God’s fore-knowledge of man’s transgression did not cause God to restrict His created purpose for mankind.

The Bible never depicts God as a divine-brain; therefore His omniscience is only one characteristic of His being, love on the other hand is a self-identity that God allows. The “Heart” as outlined throughout the Bible is God’s central consideration. As we know the “fall of man” is not the end of the story as there is also the “salvation of man” as well. The fall of man allows the salvation of man.

A nice loving relationship that entails sending man to hell for not loving him back... I can see much love here..

Sanchez01:
Your First Question:

Yes, God would have created man still. The whole scenario bothers on LOVE which is the most important. God loved Adam and Eve but it was not reciprocated. Thus, in this regard, God only wanted man to love Him and OBEY him.

Ok he knew man would fall and this foreknowledge of that event entails man must go according to what god already knew which means man never really had a choice in this saga.. How could he know man would fall then comes back to feign surprised when man eventually fell?
He wanted love, lol and he as a perfect being is clamoring for love.. First perfection needs nothing more but this god seem to want even more than a man.. he couldn't even get enough love from angels.

Sanchez01:
For instance, even though God knew what choices we would make, if He actually wanted people to love Him, then he had to give them the chance to do so. Otherwise, our entire existence would have been merely a thought experiment that didn't turn out well—but that's not why God created humanity. He wanted us to know and love him.

He already know the choices you would make, which means you cannot go contrary to that choice, in other words predestination.
Which means he already knew who and who will go to hell billions of years before creating them and as omnipotent being couldn't predestine better for his so called loved humans..

@second bolded Yeah we already know allah, yahweh, mithras, osiris, horus, zeus and we are not impressed..am stil asking why a perfect and all powerful being would Need[/b]love and worship.

Sanchez01:
Even though God knew that not everyone would choose to love him, he still wanted those who would love him to get to do so.

He already knew who would love him and who wouldn't. . then whats the essence of the experiment again? He wanted to be sure

Sanchez01:
[b]Your Second Question:

[color=#000099]Note that it was not necessary for Adam and Eve to disobey God. They chose to do so. The same applies to you and me. Is it necessary for you and me to disobey God? No, when we have done so, we have chosen to do so. As to punishment, that’s the ground rule that God lays down: ‘The soul who sins will die’ (Ezekiel 18:4). God specifically told Adam this in Gen 2:17.

No Adam and eve didn't choose to do so, God already knew they would, he already knew that particular time and minute so they really had no choice.. if they didnt eat that fruit then it means god's fore-knowledge of them eating it was wrong therefore not omniscient..unless you want to tell us he didnt know they would eat it which clearly would contradict your posts above.
And my second question to this :[b] Since he didnt want anybody to touch the tree, why put it there in the first place?

Sanchez01:
The same applied to Judas. It was not necessary for him to betray Christ but chose to do so. Read up on Judas in John 12:4(Please read this); Mark 14:10. Judas had always stood out as the "baddest" of the group and the Devil found him idle, just like he found Eve. Doing evil or good is as a matter of choice. [/colour]

The story of judas is quite a pathetic and sad one. the dude seriously was just a pawn in the game. the real players were yahweh and jesus.
First Jesus already knew Judas was predestined to betray him, and judas couldn't act contrary to this he must act according to the script dished out for him, yet he was blamed for fulfilling this script that was already written for him, he died a horrible death afterwards which too was still part of the script dished out for him.
Since this Jesus death was a very important must, Judas should have been given a noble price for actualizing that plan. If the guy didnt betray jesus then jesus wouldnt die and his death was to be very important to mankind right? then why isnt anybody applauding judas, why blame him when all he did was ensure jesus died since even jesus knew he actually came to die. why blame the guy you chose to actualize your death and not your father who sent you to die in the first place.
#SomeOneGotPlayed

imbless:
the foolishness of God is wiser than men.

Hhmmm but why is it that he has foolishness at all

And why do i find these foolishness pretty dumb and stupid cus even i wouldnt make such mistakes even i was omniscient and omnipotent..