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Misogynist2014:
These verses were written at least 500 years before Muhammad was born.

And how come you are so convinced its talking about muhammed when his name was not written there?

omototiadewa:
You dey vex gan o! Whatever s d case ders a reason 4ds whole religion thing. Abi ow we know sai anybody lyk Jesus evr xisted or Muhammed (dats if both really did)

The existence of the character jesus is something that is still under research cus they isnt really much to suggest he existed.

But you cannot say religion tames people unless u urself cannot distinguish right from wrong without a book telling you or another persin telling you.

Hiswordxray please i understand your strong emotional ties to your belief, but please this is sceince section, we need science inclined comments and discussion. Lets keep the goddy thing in religion section only and not bring it to science.

meanwhile guys check out this thread too
https://www.nairaland.com/2204872/beauty-nebulas

sonickay:
good observation bro, many atimes like this, I visit the science section to see if I can pick on something new. Alas! I am always disappointed with the various desecration of this section with technology adverts which even the sellers know nothing about how it works or can give a theoretical operation about.
It seems you are endeared to science and the DIY of how things work and should be developed as me. I will follow and pm you bro, let's see if we can collabo on this science section, contribute our quota and make every young nigerian gain, learn and put their brain chipset into work and do unimaginable things.
There is knowledge to gain and use from the global world. If some people. who with little resources have the knowledge and technical know-how, they can empower people who have the resources to realise their potentials in science and technology rather than allow the knowledge to die with them.

exactly my brother

frank317:
Rubbish...I know quite a lot Muslims whose religion shapes their morality for the better... Yet you still find reasons to condemn them.

We all have conscience... Weather Christian Muslims or Atheists...when we go against laid down rules we feel guilty. We also all have personal boundaries and guidelines. You talk as of atheists are the murderers, corrupts politicians, cheating spouse and armed robbers around you.

You uphold religion as an institution that instils morality but you fail to see how immoral our dear religions Nigerians are.

Well, you obviously will never learn... You point fingers at the Muslims justbas the point fingers at you. But what ya all fail to know is that you all are the main problems Nigeria have. We stand outside the box(religion) and see more clearly that you will ever see.

You should have read my discussion with him on that and see how i dealt with him on that rediculous assumption..

The guy is very poor when it comes to constructive argument, just keep on quoting bunch of baseless bible verses he probably always copy from gotquestions.com...

I pity am shaa, we made him desperate with our questions and argument his next defence is now say atheist are bad people instead of addressing the thread.
make we no make anybody hang imself here oo abeg oo

plaetton:
You cannot imagine that there are millions of Nigerians who would not drink good, natural and wholesome palm wine, nature's gift to us, because they have brainwashed themselves that palm wine is associated with Africans fetish.

Ironically, same mo.rons would gladly swallow a chemical concoction with the belief that it is the blood of a white man.
Dumb Africans.

Lol and i know a friend of mine that doesnt take beer because his PASTOR said its a sin, and the guy is always complaining i will just be like "See your life?"

RikoduoSennin:
In the bible you find different Figures of speech
Metaphor is one of them. The snake in that Garden did not have Legs nor arms it is a figurative speech. Just like the bible called Satan the Dragon, is dragon a real or fictitious creature?

You preconceived ideal about the Bible is flawed hence your argument.

lmao.. i was actually expecting that, its a normal typical christian defence we see always..."ANY BIBLE VERSE THAT SOUNDS LIKE FAIRY-TALE INSTEAD OF DISGRACE MYSELF TRYING TO RECONCILE IT I BRAND IT A METAPHOR " just like balaam's talking donkey was a metaphor.. lol funny...

RikoduoSennin:
Did you understand why the OP did not use Cancer, leprosy as his case in piont- because they are not deadly living organisms (hence God's direct creation/creature------Part of design). He was trying to make a point that either God made a mistake by creating Malaria parasite or that he is wicked. Your line of question/reasoning digress from all that.

If Man can eradicate some diseases from the earth- do you think it is a difficult thing for God who created everything. Many organism have gone extinct- man's interaction to his environment is crucial.

The point is Man sinned hence he get Sick, grow old and die simple! The fault is not God's but Man's. We abuse our environment and give rise to diseases etc

leprosy is caused by the bacteria Mycobacterium
leprae which pretty much is a living organism just like the plasmodium that causes malaria... Now check your points again

@bolded for the fact that man can actually eradicate these diseases themselves and yet your god have not recorded any point in this regard shows man is more effective than this your sky daddy atleast man is real..

plaetton:
Cheers to the palm wine part.
.. And remain for me ooo

no be only me waka come na... pammy deh wella come and help urself oo

DProDG, Davien, Cupid1, pr0ton, theAtheist101, menasheh etc.

Weah96:
I think that these pronouns indicate the absence of an editor. There's no way that a person calls himself WE without being a schizo. Is that how people talk in your place?

the guy is a copy and paste adict... everything he copied and pasted here didnt even answer the question...
**Meanwhile enjoying my sunday sipping my palm wine and watching a movie** This people are just jokers

noahklub:
On the other hand, not condemning or being an addict of any of them. Religion has helped tamed the monster in men/women all over.

Imagine if there was no religion in this present world?
How would it look like, how will you be living?

Yes if they was no religion the billions that died at the hands of the church accused of heresy, witchcraft and etc would have been been killed by you.

The terror islam is pouring on the world now would be happening right?

I am really seeing the taming of the monster in man religion tamed..

Misogynist2014:
lol What he meant was that the name Muhammad was not spoken of outrightly. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they
hear not, neither do they understand.

language is a medium of communication and when your words cannot communicate then it is useless and not need saying at all..

Your op certainly didnt portray your assertions or you just took bible verses and liken them to what you want them to mean..Totally deceptive bro

malvisguy212:
Josephus (37CE – c. 100CE): "For we have
not an innumerable multitude of books
among us, disagreeing from and
contradicting one another [as the Greeks
have], but only twenty-two books, which
contain all the records of all the past
times; which are justly believed to be
divine; and of them FIVE BELONGS TO MOSES,
which contain his laws and the traditions
of the origin of mankind till his death…
the prophets, who were after Moses,
wrote down what was done in their times
in thirteen books. The remaining four
books contain hymns to God, and
precepts for the conduct of human life."
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_the_Hebrew_Bible_canon

lol and this proves moses wrote it?
How funny you missed the part where i said jewish traditions have it that moses wrote it and he is quoting josephus...lmao.. this guy funnt shaa..

oya read the same wikipedia and all it says about the torahhttp://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah

Move this shiiiit to the islam section..

pneumaticos:
The cloud of death over your soul cant let you see

Op is not saying anything abouy muhamed like he quoted ,but because you lack understanding of the word,you dint see it.

When will you guys ever stop threatening yourselves with death and hell...

The topic of the thread is totally different from what the op's copy and paste is saying..

what exactly is the op yapping about

OP u funny shaa... their are over 40,000 christian sects in the world, with different beliefs and practise. . each claiming to be right true sect and the other sects are going to hell ... lmao.. christianity shaa

malvisguy212:
Mark 12:24 "...haven't you ever
READ about this in the WRITTENS OF
MOSES, in the story of the burning
bush..."

What proof do you need again apart from this? That Moses would resurrect and say he wrote it?
According to this verse ,what did Moses wrote if not the pentateuch?how did the people know Moses wrote a book? Offcorse they read it from the written of Moses.

and we just told you that jewish tradition (even the talmud tho this one is not added to the bible) adopted by christians attributed it to moses but critical literary analysis clearly shows moses wasn't the writer.. it seems you didnt read the bible torah introduction i uploaded for you.. i will upload it agai, try and read it this time..

also read http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah

ROSSIKE:
Millions of people have reported near death experiences whereby they were clinically dead with no bodily functions in operation, and yet they experienced full life and consciousness in their spiritual bodies. This strongly suggests there is an afterlife to which we all transit.

near death? what about real death?

What are your funniest biblical verse or story..

mine is "In genesis 1 god said let there be light and their was light then he created day and night and then on the fourth day he created the sun that supposed to be responsible for day and night when he already created day and night on the first day. ayam like WTF

malvisguy212:
Johnnydon and dalaman.

Jesus himself quoted from the pentateuch;

Matthew 22:24 "Moses said, 'If a
man dies without children...'"
Mark 7:10 "For instance, Moses
gave you this law from God..."
Mark 12:24 "...haven't you ever
read about this in the WRITTENS of
Moses, in the story of the burning
bush..."
Luke 24:44 "...I told you that
everything WRITTEN about me by
Moses and the prophets and in the
Psalms must all come true."
John 1:17 "For the law was given
through Moses..."
John 5:46 "But if you had believed
Moses, you would have believed me
because HE WROTE about me. And
since you don't believe what he
wrote, how will you believe what I
say?"

Clearly written here, Moses wrote the pentateuch but the bible never indicate he wrote all, skeptics argument was that Moses wrote the pentateuch when in the first place bible never indicate he did.

Jesus quote the pentateuch which means moses must have written them...lmao..Finding facts is really one of your short comings right?

cupid1:
Excuse me sir but if you're trying to make me angry, then you're doing a really bad job. When and where in my post did i make any point defending christianity ? It seems Comprehension is not so easy after all. Anyway, this is a link to enable you read the lost book of the bible online sacred-texts.com/bib/lbob/index.htm

You misunderstood him.. you were not the one he referred to a fool, he meant that trying to defend such fairy-tale beliefs as found in both christianity and islam makes someone look like a fool

RikoduoSennin:
To you it seem like fairy tale- a perfect man, but not so to me. PS: I don't believe in a snake with legs and hands like some do. There is fine line between reality and fantasy.

Tell me please, is malaria parasite found in every environmental condition- continents existing on earth today?

You dont believe in snakes with legs but you believe in the bible..you even called it fantasy yet its part of your bible..lmao..You smoke?

Is malaria parasite the only disease you know of? leprosy, cancer, ebola millions of them.. and mind you in qll the places you dont find malaria now, it was eradicated by sheey hardwork of humans (health workers) just like they are working now to eradicate polio.

doubleDx:
@Plaetton,

Another thing you have to understand is that, Earth is not a paradise! Sin brought imperfection into the world which is why we need saving in the first place....do you expect flawlessness in an imperfect world? Your arguments about intelligent design has nothing to do with what the creator chooses to do with his creation! He created all things exactly the way he wanted them to be...He is also not ignorant that sin would later come into the equation to try us, which was why he warned us through his word/messengers and also created an escape route for those who trust in him....

This here is the LORD's game, you are just a player in it! There are only two ways, you either go with the LORD's moves and win or make your own move and be removed! That's all....it's a matter of choice~!




[size=20]A resounding yes to your question my dear carnal minded friend ! [/size]

It's written!

very good answer make other christians catch you saying that..

RikoduoSennin:
Adam did not create Malaria parasite!

I don't know if the Malaria Parasite was created for good or bad. What I know is Malaria parasite would not have any effect to health of perfect man Adam had he obeyed his creator- Adam's would have an immunity to ALL ailment. Malaria parasite strive on certain enviromental conditions/host organism- if Adam had lived under God's guidance, such conditions may have been eliminated eg How common is malaria parasite in the developed world?

(Fan Fiction: Will Superman or Vampires get sick from malaria parasite?)



So it is far beyond God's capability to stop population growth when it get to a fix point shey?

Research what Scientist say about the number of people that can populate the earth before it is filled.

and an adult just poured out this fairy fantasy.. malaria parasites not having effect when its in existence, maybe carnivores would have been eating plants, no wonder a snake could take then and even had legs..choi ... seriously

tartar9:
The Qur’an says very clearly that
there is only One God, Allah. “There is no god
but Allah” is the basic principle of Islam.
There
is no ambiguity about this fact in the Qur’an
and there are hundreds of ayat or verses of
the
Qur’an that make this point very clear. Belief
in more than one God is Shirk (polytheism)
and
a major sin according to the Qur’an.
Whenever in the Qur’an Allah is mentioned in
the third person there are always singular
pronouns used, such as He, him (Huwa or Hu)
.
Whenever Allah is spoken to in the second
person there are also singular pronouns, such
as Thou, Thine and Thee (Anta, Ka). However
only in the first person some times the
pronouns I, My or Mine (Ana, Iyaya, ya) are
used and sometimes We, Us and Our (Nahnu,
Na) are used.
This is a style of speech. Sometime the
speaker says I and sometime says we. We
also use that in our conversations. In the
Qur’an you will see that often the first person
singular such as I or My is used, when Allah
speaks about His love, care and closeness
and
forgiveness for His servants. In a similar way
the first person plural is often used when
Allah
speaks about His power, majesty, glory, great
deeds or when He speaks about His anger and
wrath for the sinners and criminals. (This is,
of course, the general use. Sometime the
reverse is also the case, depending on the
context of the Surah.)
See for example the verses where the first
person singular is used: “When My servants
ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to
them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant
when he calleth on Me: let them also, with a
will, listen to My call, and believe in Me: that
they may walk in the right way.” (al-Baqarah
2:186) Or “Verily, I am Allah: there is no god
but I: so serve thou Me (only), and establish
regular prayer for celebrating My
praise.” (Taha 20:14) or “But, without doubt, I
am (also) He that forgives again and again, to
those who repent, believe, and do right, who,
in
fine, are ready to receive true guidance.” (Taha
20:82) or see another example where both
pronouns are used side by side, “Before them
the People of Noah rejected (their Messenger):
they rejected Our servant, and said, “Here is
one possessed!” and he was driven out. Then
he called on His Lord: “I am one overcome: do
Thou then help (me)!” So We opened the gates
of heaven, with water pouring forth. And We
caused the earth to gush forth with springs.
So
the waters met (and rose) to the extent
decreed. But We bore him on an (Ark) made of
broad planks and caulked with palm-fiber: She
floats under Our eyes (and care): a
recompense to one who had been rejected
(with scorn)! And We have left this as a Sign
(for all time): then is there any that will
receive admonition? But how (terrible) was My
Penalty and My Warning? (al-Qamar 54:9-16)
See also some verses where the first person
plural is used: “We have, without doubt, sent
down the Message; and We will assuredly
guard it (from corruption).” (al-Hijr 15:9) or
“We created not the heavens, the earth, and
all
between them, but for just ends. And the Hour
is surely coming” (al-Hijr 15:85) or “And
among
His Signs is this: thou seest the earth barren
and desolate; but when We send down rain to
it, it is stirred to life and yields increase.
Truly,
He Who gives life to the (dead) earth can
surely give life to (men) who are dead. For He
has power over all things.” (Fussilat 41:39). Or
“Already has Our Word been passed before
(this) to Our Servants sent (by Us). That they
would certainly be assisted. And that Our
forces, they surely must conquer. So turn thou
away from them for a little while. And watch
them (how they fare), and they soon shall see.
Do they wish (indeed) to hurry on our
Punishment? But when it descends into the
open space before them, evil will be the
morning for those who were warned (and
heeded not) (al-Saffat 37:171-177). There are
many other examples.
Christian writers in their desperate desire to
prove their doctrine of Trinity have sometime
interpreted some Biblical passages where first
person plural is used to suggest that this
means the “Divine Trinity”. For example in the
Bible it is mentioned, “Then God said, “Let us
make man in our image¦” (Genesis 1:26).
Christian writers contend that this means that
there is plurality in God (We seek Allah’s
forgiveness for mentioning this blasphemy.)
Sometime Christian missionaries also go to
simple Muslims and try to confuse them by
taking some verses from the Qur’an and tell
them that the Qur’an also supports such
doctrines. I tried to explain this point in some
detail, because I have often heard this type of
questions from some Christians.

Bro common not another copy and past

doubleDx:
Proverbs 16:4

The LORD has prepared everything for His purpose-- even the wicked for the day of disaster.

Romans 9:21

Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?

The LORD created all things for His purpose; pestilence, parasites, plagues, starvation, wars, peace, etc...all these things are meant for discipline and correction! How do you think God would have achieved his purpose and showed his power in plaguing the Egyptians for refusing to let his people go if he hadn't created the plagues he used against them?

Amos 3:6-7

Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it? Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

Isaiah 45:7

I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.

@Plaetton, Jesus came to save us from spiritual death; not physical!

so the lord prepare diseases and disasters for his purpose right.. nice god

tartar9:
The Qur’an says very clearly that
there is only One God, Allah. “There is no god
but Allah” is the basic principle of Islam. There
is no ambiguity about this fact in the Qur’an
and there are hundreds of ayat or verses of the
Qur’an that make this point very clear. Belief
in more than one God is Shirk (polytheism) and
a major sin according to the Qur’an.
Whenever in the Qur’an Allah is mentioned in
the third person there are always singular
pronouns used, such as He, him (Huwa or Hu).
Whenever Allah is spoken to in the second
person there are also singular pronouns, such
as Thou, Thine and Thee (Anta, Ka). However
only in the first person some times the
pronouns I, My or Mine (Ana, Iyaya, ya) are
used and sometimes We, Us and Our (Nahnu,
Na) are used.
This is a style of speech. Sometime the
speaker says I and sometime says we. We
also use that in our conversations. In the
Qur’an you will see that often the first person
singular such as I or My is used, when Allah
speaks about His love, care and closeness and
forgiveness for His servants. In a similar way
the first person plural is often used when Allah
speaks about His power, majesty, glory, great
deeds or when He speaks about His anger and
wrath for the sinners and criminals. (This is,
of course, the general use. Sometime the
reverse is also the case, depending on the
context of the Surah.)
See for example the verses where the first
person singular is used: “When My servants
ask thee concerning Me, I am indeed close (to
them): I listen to the prayer of every suppliant
when he calleth on Me: let them also, with a
will, listen to My call, and believe in Me: that
they may walk in the right way.” (al-Baqarah
2:186) Or “Verily, I am Allah: there is no god
but I: so serve thou Me (only), and establish
regular prayer for celebrating My
praise.” (Taha 20:14) or “But, without doubt, I
am (also) He that forgives again and again, to
those who repent, believe, and do right, who, in
fine, are ready to receive true guidance.” (Taha
20:82) or see another example where both
pronouns are used side by side, “Before them
the People of Noah rejected (their Messenger):
they rejected Our servant, and said, “Here is
one possessed!” and he was driven out. Then
he called on His Lord: “I am one overcome: do
Thou then help (me)!” So We opened the gates
of heaven, with water pouring forth. And We
caused the earth to gush forth with springs. So
the waters met (and rose) to the extent
decreed. But We bore him on an (Ark) made of
broad planks and caulked with palm-fiber: She
floats under Our eyes (and care): a
recompense to one who had been rejected
(with scorn)! And We have left this as a Sign
(for all time): then is there any that will
receive admonition? But how (terrible) was My
Penalty and My Warning? (al-Qamar 54:9-16)
See also some verses where the first person
plural is used: “We have, without doubt, sent
down the Message; and We will assuredly
guard it (from corruption).” (al-Hijr 15:9) or
“We created not the heavens, the earth, and all
between them, but for just ends. And the Hour
is surely coming” (al-Hijr 15:85) or “And among
His Signs is this: thou seest the earth barren
and desolate; but when We send down rain to
it, it is stirred to life and yields increase. Truly,
He Who gives life to the (dead) earth can
surely give life to (men) who are dead. For He
has power over all things.” (Fussilat 41:39). Or
“Already has Our Word been passed before
(this) to Our Servants sent (by Us). That they
would certainly be assisted. And that Our
forces, they surely must conquer. So turn thou
away from them for a little while. And watch
them (how they fare), and they soon shall see.
Do they wish (indeed) to hurry on our
Punishment? But when it descends into the
open space before them, evil will be the
morning for those who were warned (and
heeded not) (al-Saffat 37:171-177). There are
many other examples.
Christian writers in their desperate desire to
prove their doctrine of Trinity have sometime
interpreted some Biblical passages where first
person plural is used to suggest that this
means the “Divine Trinity”. For example in the
Bible it is mentioned, “Then God said, “Let us
make man in our image¦” (Genesis 1:26).
Christian writers contend that this means that
there is plurality in God (We seek Allah’s
forgiveness for mentioning this blasphemy.)
Sometime Christian missionaries also go to
simple Muslims and try to confuse them by
taking some verses from the Qur’an and tell
them that the Qur’an also supports such
doctrines. I tried to explain this point in some
detail, because I have often heard this type of
questions from some Christians.

Ok this is really too long but why does God refer to himself as we?

crixtex:
hehehe... great fable o.. especially devil and beelzebub

lol

tartar9:
http://www.islam101.com/tauheed/AllahWE.htm
and it is even used in some verses in the bible @ Ifeann da …

Bros i asked about yours, explain to me why is WE used when allah is involved... how many are they? who and who are the we?

frank317:
A pretty girl she is... Sadly, no brains just bad mouth. If I were her pastor, I will convince her that the holy spirit or the God she worships asked me to make love to her... With the way she is talking, I am sure she will quickly open her legs just as long as I say God sent me. Yet she calls atheists confused people

I just proved to her with just a little question, simple ones for that matter who really the confused one is..