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malvisguy212:
you made this comment on the wrong house, place this comment
On the Christian home (the Christian chat box). Have you ever made a post in the Christian home ?

lolzzzz...so more lies and fables will follow?

malvisguy212:
the text never say he find million of innocent children,if it did pleased provide it now.

Now i love the defence you have mustered..lolzz

So in a city of millions they wont be millions of children too?

Were they children in the city at all? i think you should say their was not even any children in the city at all.... sodom and gomorrah dont even reproduce at all... that will be convenient enough

malvisguy212:
you are supposed to understand my points there, when I say spare I mean" to heaven"I was still saying the same thing.

why kill them in the first place with such horrifying cruel death cus of something they dont even have no idea about

lepasharon:
I am not an atheist. I dont know what I beleive in anymore Everything I thought was true is crumbling before me Now that I am seeing religion for what it is. I feel like I have been cheated

Welcome to reality... apparently you need a little time to get your mind straight, takes time to adjust our indoctrinated mind after we have unshackled ourselves from the myths we have been sold to...Soon you will brand new, at peace and will see the world in a new perspective devoid of superstition...

malvisguy212:
they died because of the choice there parents make, let me tell you something, the aborted pregnancy,the children went direct to heaven ,who's fault is it, for there death? God or there parents that made the decision? If there parents should repent,when they died the aborted baby will be the first to welcome them in heaven.

Ok now he wont spare the city even after finding millions of innocent children?

@bolded... So you actually find it ok to kill a child for something his/her parents did, what he had no freaking idea of...

WTF!!!

OREMUSSANCTUS:
Give ya life to Christ, he luvs ya more

How does that even come close to the subject of this thread?

[size=20] Give my life to who now? ... Oh sorry i'd rather give my life to myself and live for myself and not mythical fables concorted by some bunch of old men at the council of nice [/size]

malvisguy212:
God will spare children who are innocent and incapable of making a decision on there own,go and read the bible account on soddom and gomorah again God say He will spare the city for just 50 innocent people including children.God righteousness required God judgment.

this one said he will spare them..

malvisguy212:
go and read my first post again.the children who are incapable of making a moral choice will go direct to heaven.

this one said they will be taken to heaven (meaning not spare)

Common dudes get you brains straight for ones.

Those little children as you say are not incapable of making a decision (let me put an age bracket of A day old to 10years) must be numbering more than a million and god was allegedly looking for 10 good people, these millions of children are more than 10 by millions... why wasnt the city spared even when its obvious than millions of children are there...

He had to subject them to such cruel horrifying death... This is not even good to think..

malvisguy212:
go and read my first post again.the children who are incapable of making a moral choice will go direct to heaven.

Ok they were subjected to a horrible death then taken to heaven... what type of mind do you people even possess

A human said this... Is ok to kill millions of children, the ones who are capable of making decisions are not innocent so its ok to kill them, the ones who are not capable of making a decision will be taken to heaven so its ok to kill them....

[size=20] Dude seriously[/size] ohh meeehhn

malvisguy212:
God will spare children who are innocent and incapable of making a decision on there own,go and read the bible account on soddom and gomorah again God say He will spare the city for just 50 innocent people including children.God righteousness required God judgment.

So you are saying no innocent children was found and that is why the city was destroyed right?

blueyedgeek:
Thanks for your time as well. Go preach somewhere else, if God himself shows up here, he might end up an atheist.

hahahahaha so true

malvisguy212:
Surely if there must have been other
innocent adults in those cities who were
destroyed with the wicked God will warn them which he did ! There actually
is an example of a time when God was
asked if He would destroy the innocent
along with the wicked. Prior to destroying
Sodom and Gomorrah, Abraham asked
God if He would destroy the righteous
along with the wicked. God replied
that He would spare the entire city for 50
righteous people. Abraham kept
reducing the possible number of
righteous people, asking God if He would
destroy the entire city along with those
number of righteous people. God's
reply in each case was that He would not
destroy the righteous along with the
wicked. The lowest number Abraham
asked about was ten righteous people,
although the answer would likely be the
same with as few as one righteous
individual. How do we know this? God
sent two angels to warn the four
righteous people in Sodom to flee before
He destroyed the city. It is quite
convenient that such details are usually
left out of atheistic sites complaining
about the "evil" perpetrated by God. In
fact, God saved certain people from
being killed in cities such as Jericho.

Surely God could have spared the
children! People tend to assume that
children are innocent, even if their
parents are doing bad things. The
assumption is unfounded. For example,
Palestinian Muslim children are officially taught in grammar school to hate their Jewish neighbors. They are so well indoctrinated that some of them give up their lives in suicide bombings as children. Corruption literally does
breed corruption, which is why God did
not want the Hebrews tainted by the
other corrupt cultures of the Middle East.the children who are incapable of making a moral choice will go direct to heaven.

Ok to be honest, i dont even understand what your are saying...

Are you saying the children are not innocent? Are you saying it is ok to kill them along side others? Are you saying that god wanted to spare the city if he found 10 good adults but dont even care considering the millions of children in the city?
All you wrote above makes not even the slightest sense in addressing the op
Please come out clearer and make it snappy dont wanna read another long boring post... give me straight answers...

vest:
and ammmh! does she knws u ar an atheist?

Does it matter? What matters is to answer the question boss!!

vest:
and what waz ha respons

she avoided it ni? abeg make una help answer...

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torchwave:
It was in a dream God warned Joseph to flee to Egypt with the child, Jesus. It was in a dream God symbolically unveiled His plans to Peter to extend His salvation to the gentiles. God spoke to Abraham, Jacob, Daniel, Paul and promised to speak to people in dreams and visions in the last days.

Kk dream on abeg... honestly eeehnnn anyway continue dreaming

Hey guys i created a thread but christians avoid it like wild fire...
https://www.nairaland.com/2161144/sodom-gomorrah

mumumugu:
for security reasons,,,,,delete ur number instantly,

ok i have done that... thanks bro... can you modify the one you quote and remove it

Hmmm ok let get something straight here...

[size=20] the guy said he was sleeping and then started dreaming....

Why dah fuuuuuck should anybody argue over a dream? [/size]

Ok i was sitting on my own today when a jehova witness came to me, normally i welcomed her and offered her a seat.

Then the topic of the day began, she went on and on about how sodom and gomorrah was destroyed, how God could not even find 10 righteous people in sodom and gomorah that was why it was destroyed..

I asked her a simple question and thats the question i am asking now

[size=20] They must be millions of Children and pregnant women in these cities, Are the lives of these innocent little ones not worth saving? Is it that the little children don't count [/size]

Liekiller:
may I ask how that came about? I often wonder what it takes to break free from it when you're in deep already.

It all starts with a question

cupid1:
i read them yesterday and i'm currently reading 'the lost book of the bible' which documents jesus' childhood and some miracles which were not included in the gospels of mathew, mark, luke and john

How many have you read?

Mekanus:
I fuckinglove atheism

Hehehehehehe thats goes for all of us... Maximum peace of mind and freedom to be you and you alone and not let fables and myths decorated in a book run ur life... its a beautiful feeling bro.

#WeFuckingLoveAtheism

AmunRaOlodumare:
Israel were not black. Even Ancient Egyptians depicted the Aamu (Palestine and West Asian people) as pale/white Semitic people.

Even if Ancient Egyptians were black, as I believe. It doesn't really matter. Zulu are blacks and it doesn't mean people in Nigeria must adopt Zulu religions or customs.

Same for Jesus. Even if Jesus was black, it doesn't mean we need to adopt his religion. Each people in Africa have their own spiritual beliefs.

While distantly related to each others in time. For example, all Niger-Kordofanian speakers share a common past (at the very least at the time of the proto-Niger-Kordofanian language). We still have evolved and migrated in different regions since that time to become our own people, with our own religions and customs.

Freedom of religions. Freedom of beliefs. Freedom to not believe in any religions (atheism, agnosticism). Religious pluralism. Diversity of religions. Are the best protection against fascism and those who want to restrict our liberty.

At the end of it, each family can even pray and communicate with their own ancestors and grandfathers if they want to. That's African beliefs. It's also true for many traditional spirituality and non-Abrahamic religions around the world.

You have said it all sir

Macelliot:
Yes! You yourself, you are a god.
There are many dieties claiming gods....
All these gods knows that there is a Supreme HOLY GOD.
I'm not refering to Christianity nor Islam, Neither religious intepretation.
I mean, the Beginner of all beginnings, the self-existing beginner of Life.

This is a deist concept of God you just presented am.i right?

malvisguy212:
man did it with his own hand,when God created adam and eve ,he made them perfect Infacte man was made in the image of God. Man fall the day he chooses to disobeyed God.

ok according to you God (any God that means) laid foundation for man's goodness and then man laid foundation for man's evil... hmmm nice one

simplex2:
Its best that way for your sanity and peace of mind. I don't engage in arguments with them religious felas; unless when they tend to disturb my peace. Was in a bus for a short journey sometime ago when a preacher, as usual, decide to disturb the entire bus with condemnation and damnation of whoever won't believe in his preaching. Then he started yabbing about how unpeaceful other religions are and how they are known for causing wars, terrorism and unrest and how only in christianity that there is absolute peace that passes all understanding. He was seating close to me so I just asked him in a calm voice: 'Isn't that the same things christians did in times past?' He tried to feign ignorance (maybe he didn't really know) but I reminded them that god did command his people to wipe out the amalekites, caninites and any pegan and unbeliever that crosses their path, same thing allah told the muslims so how is it peaceful in his own religion.

His mistake was to think he would intimidate me with a louder voice but I persisted. Reminded him that all the first born of egypt was murdered by his peaceful god just to make a point. Reminded him that jericho was utterly destroyed because they refused to open their gates and allow the isrealites to pass thru. Backing up the little conversation with bible verses murdered whatever defense he was going to put up. He pulled up crap about old and new testament but I reminded him that right inside the bus, he had mentioned that god is the same yesterday, today and forever so why is he adjusting the nature of god to suit his purpose.

Now I was able to engage into this argument by taking the stance of a muslim and being Lagos where there's mixed religious population, some peeps inside the bus (who are obviously muslims) concurred and supported me. Now imagine if I had taken a stance that there was no god? I will of course be getting disdains from both muslims and christians alike inside the bus.

I don't argue with them felas as long as they let me be. I prefer discussing 'issues' with them rather than discussing god with them (maybe because of my agnostic nature). Like the issue of tithing my colleagues at work were arguing with me: when I opened Deutronomy 14 and showed them where it is allowed to eat your tithe and even buy beer with it and drink.
But its obvious nothing you say will free them from their bliss.

Very good one...

I have had a similar argument one on one with a pastor in abuja, he ended up telling me that you cant question god.. packed his bag and went home, am certain he is agnostic Christian now tho...

Macelliot:
Hahahahahaha! A confusionist.

Ok now i dont even understand where he is heading to

Macelliot:
I thought u were an atheist?

Of course i am... The God concept is an achaic idea from ancient times..

So?

malvisguy212:
yes,God lay the foundation of how man should be good.

And who lay foundation on how man should be bad?

Macelliot:
God cannot be a woman. Maybe he encountered a goddess.
god=male.
goddess=female.
God is a male title. goddess is a female title.

So you believe they are many gods and goddesses .... Chai..

malvisguy212:
freewill indicated that man is responsible for the evil that befall him because he chooses it.

Which should also mean that man is responsible for the good that befall him...