₦airaland Forum

billyadam:
incase u don't know, Reuben Abati if from Ogun State

What? You mean that fool is from my tribe?


Oluwa o.

Wow



Your son is in the best place he can be......on life support.

Is Reuben Abati now Yoruba man cause I don’t understand the fellow up there

This has been on for ages

That snake get mind o. Go bite a Nigerian soldier. On top the silly snake still no get poison.



Ode

Na wao.




Who God is not ready to kill no one can.

Great analysis.




Learn the politics and know how to play and when to play it.

Great men and women

Na wa o

Just wait for the six months but be on the lookout for other jobs

Intellectual laziness in higher places

Old mama youngee

Very good

Potch:
You had better save your energy for something positive. This is one issue that has generated a national discourse and I am pretty sure the solutions wont come from the pages of Nairaland but by the same people who made the law. Some people, no matter how good the intention is will never support it. The day will stop seeing every issue from the lens of religion and being objective, it will mark the beginning our success.
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I feel your point Bro. Nigerians are always religious bias. I wish we could for once do things according to what how constitution dictates.

It’s just that sometimes one has to educate the ignorant folks on here. At least do it for charity. Educate their ignorant minds.

Riversides2003:
There are rules and regulations in every sane society and establishments,pls this shouldn’t be religionised, the way this religious sentiments is going, I foresee Ahmed Musa requesting to play for super Eagles in Russia with Jalamia and Turbine.

You folks won’t stop disgracing yourselves in the name of religious intolerance and sentiments you have against the religion of Islam.

Is there any rules or regulation that supersedes the Nigerian constitution?

Is the law of the NBA superior to the constitution that gives her the freedom of religion, association and basic human right?

Hmmm

Another Bobrisky loading.

Erm erm...someone up there said Jonathan has a job...




Erm... am I the only one who didn't get the notice?

Na did problem be dat

So? Make I fry stone

Make dem fight well

hermosa7:
Yeah. It's clear you're the one going to heaven here.

You've used the following words against me: "foolishness", "your life that will end in hell...".
It's really clear you're the one going to heaven.

Anyway, my life has not been the same since I found Him (Jesus Christ). He's given me peace, joy and assurance of eternal life.
When you give your life to Christ, YOU KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO HEAVEN. People who have such assurance of their eternal destiny laugh at the words "retrace your steps".

It's clear you're full of hatred and bitterness as your posts have shown on this thread. Isn't it clear to you that your "way" CANNOT bring about any transformation of life? Tell me what has changed in for you since you started following Mohammed? Nothing!

I remember the day my IRK teacher learnt I was no longer attending his class but was now attending CRK class (I was not even a real Christian then). The man was angry but always manages to control himself. That's the best you can get from Islam because it's just a religion - full of dos and don'ts. But Christianity is not like that. When you become a child of God, He gives you POWER to become a son of God. You cannot know what this is all about until you experience it. That's why I don't blame you for saying all these things.

My post is not full of hatred but the undiluted , un-sugar coated, hardcore truth. Nothing personal don't think it is.

So you that started following shaytan, are you now richer than dangote.

Does being the son of god also give you the freedom to spread falsehood and mischief.

Does it also give you the freedom to go against the words of God in the Bible "search for the truth and establish the fact".

So being a son of god has given you free access to heaven without consequence even when you spread mischief and hypocrisy on Gods land.

So being son of god means there are no repercussions for your wrong actions even when you're repeatedly corrected.

You claimed you were a Muslim, the cursed liar you brought his video here also claimed to be a Muslim and yet the 2 of you somehow don't know that Quran 3 is FAMILY OF IMRA'AN and not FAMILY OF MARIAM. Is that what Jesus Christ taught you? To lie in other to gain followers? I'm not surprised that's what you're taught in your church every Sunday.

I wasn't even the one that exposed you, God used you to expose yourself. You're the one that brought this verse from the Quran yourself.

Quran 3 vs 54 "You and your co traveler planned, Allah planned but Almighty Allah is the best of planners"

He planned your failure even before you made that post and you foolishly included your downfall in the post but you were not aware cos you're dealing with someone far mightier than you. YOUR CREATOR.

I still repeat it and I'm sure of it (even though I don't know where I will end up but I pray and work everyday that Almighty Allah forgive my short comings and grant me Aljanah firdaus) you will end up in HELL FIRE and I will be there to testify against you on that day that I told you repeatedly but you claim to be the son of god. Unless you retrace your steps and seek for Gods Forgiveness and mercy.


Good luck with your life.

hermosa7:
smh

You better shake your head for your life that will end in hell if you fail to retrace your lost steps.


Look up there and see more evidence of your foolishness.


I will even stand as witness against you on judgement day that I told you with hard evidence but you refused.

hermosa7:
Have you ever asked yourself why these people - the ones you call liars - are saying these things? You call them liars for giving their life testimonies? Do your research and know that these people once lived as Muslims, saw the light and felt compelled to tell others still living in darkness.

If you don't believe, you are the one that'll lose eventually and not me. An educated mind will do some research and try to find out if these things (the stories in those videos) truly happened in the past. But no, you will not. Was I not in the same religion before? Was I not born a Muslim? Do you think I'm doing this to win a point?

The Bible says: " The love of Christ constraineth (compels) us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead" (2 Cor 5:14).
Think about these things, my friend, and understand that your Islam - which came hundreds of years after Christ - cannot in any way tarnish the ministry, life and truth of God about Christ. He is the way - the ONLY way.

I should do my research on a YouTube video of a nonentity in an Indian village that has over a billion religion?

Mr man stop making a fool of yourself and browse on google. What is so hard in googling what someone disputes.


So if I make a video that I was a Christian and that I found a chapter dedicated to Mohammed in the Bible you will believe me just because I said I was a Christian.



You don't even have to take my word for it. Just do your own research and stop fooling yourself. You can even decide to download a whole Quran on different apps. You won't find anything different in them unlike the Bible that has over a thousand versions. There's nothing hidden about it.

I even gave you a screenshot of the proof and you're still here asking me to believe a cursed liar over what I know and read everyday.

Your case is irredeemably lost and if you go ahead and end up dead with this mentality without retracing your steps. I guaranty you you're going to HELL. Quote me anywhere.

At this age of internet, ignorance is a choice. Educate yourself and emancipate yourself from mental slavery.


The Bible says "my people perish for lack of knowledge"

The same Bible also said "you should research every matter and establish the fact"

Have you done what the Bible says or you're just here fulfilling your selfish wish.

Here's another screenshot from the app on my phone but I know Shaytan is in firm control of your destiny. The earlier your emancipate yourself from satans slavery the better for your life.

hopefulLandlord:
1. can you please define what you mean by "absolutely nothing"?

2. when you're through with that, can you also tell us how unorganized and simple in design our universe has to be in order to be able to have come from "absolutely nothing'?

Edited

Define "absolutely nothing"? Are you kidding me.

No wonder your Atheist Professor (Dawkins) made a fool of himself trying to define it.

So after trying to make everyone believe that you have a better reasoning capacity because you question the existence of God, you can still ask someone to define "Absolutely Nothing". Isn't that ridiculous.

chemystery:
I really understand where you got me wrong - where I said you brought your designer into existence to fill the gaps of your ignorance. The ignorance I meant here is in the knowledge of how we came into existence. We are both faced with this ignorance but you only want to deny it by filling yours with "god" instead of admitting it is a problem we have to come into logical conclusion with evidence and facts.

You agreed with your reasoning that the concept of god is beyond human reasoning and I tried to make you also reason about the concept of a supergod which I believe it's existence and knowledge about its concept should also be beyond that of a god and also human. I wondered why you haven't reasoned that way, so I sincerely asked to confirm if that concept is beyond your reasoning. I think this is another place you also misinterpreted.


I learnt a lot from the video, especially that an intelligent designer like god cannot just come into existence by chance. Therefore, it must have a designer aka supergod


Maybe you expected me to be nodding like lizard just like the atheist actors in your video, therefore any other action outside that would seem like an attack to you. I only attacked your argument not you. But since you failed to understand, I have broken words into smaller bits.
Anyway, do have a wonderful night.

I can point to other instances apart from the "ignorance" aspect. Telling someone is ignorant is not being rude but telling someone "that's your problem" is.

First you're an Atheist who doesn't believe in the existence of God(creator of all things) then somehow after watching the video, you felt compelled to change your narrative that the creator must have had a creator too but you didn't realize that for you to have this kind of thinking, you must have acknowledge the existence of a "first creator" which is against your Atheist believe that there was no creator in the first place.

Are you confused?

The video was to dispel your argument that there is no God the creator.

The argument that there was is a supergod stems from acknowledgement of an initial god.

My religion doesn't give me the the right and freedom to disturb my mind that there is a super god and logic doesn't support it. If you choose to reason that there's a super god beyond the real god then you should find group that gives you that freedom but make sure it is one that doesn't subscribe to the illogical reasoning that we came into existence by chance or accident and Atheism is not.

My Quran is over 1400 years old but has talked about the so much thrown around Big Bang theory hundreds of years even before scientists postulated the possibility of their being a Big Bang theory and it is not the only scientific fact it talked about.

It goes to show that the creator had given us a short manual to his creation but some people in the name of Atheism decided that the creator doesn't even exist. Then who wrote the Big Bang theory in the Quran.

AntiWailer:
Ignorance is not a virtue.

The banks are using the money and without them forfeiting the money to the Govt, the owner will still not get it.

If Govt did not do anything, the bank will not allow u acess the money. There is debit freeze on all account without BVN


Secondly , no BVN means billions of stolen funds are in the banks and can not be traced to anybody.


So when they push your reasoning button to always think you are a victim, try and use your common sense.

They told banks to publish account so people can come and claim it.

So before you condemn Govt. Wait, think and ask yourself this sincere question :

Do u even understand what they are saying here ?

If we are to go by the statistics of how many people made sense on this front page, yours being the only one out of the 31 comments, it means only 3% of the total FP commenters have sense.


You represent the only 3%. The rest are just plain stup!d.

chemystery:
Any how it should be, it is your problem not mine. For I clearly stated what I imply by the sign ">".



If you can reason on your own that god is above the reasoning of man, why hasn't it occurred to you that there might be a supergod whose reasoning is above that of god? Or is that above your reasoning?


Your argument here shows you know nothing about this your designer but had to bring him into existence just to fill the gaps of your ignorance. Why must the designer be called god (and wants to be worshiped) in the first place and not something else?
You have not in any way proved this designer exists, or whether there is even any designer in the first place.

You are saying if your first logic is right, then the second one cannot be wrong.

OK let me apply your logic too


1 can you see the designer's designer(SuperGod) and his enrichments?
2 do you know the attributes and design of the designer's designer(SuperGod)?
3 do you know how and to what extent the complexity of the design of the designer's designer(SuperGod) is?
4 do you know to what extent how strategic and organized SuperGod is over God?

So it is not possible that god (if exists) came from nothing?


The purpose of the video still went further to tell us that a very intelligent and complex designer cannot just exists from the blues. He must also have a designer!

Your responses are rude to say the least. It lacks simple courtesy and human respect. The video also said one thing in the middle and I won't go further on it.

It says "If you fail to learn anything from that video, you're a fool".

And don't come here telling me your arguments are superior cos they are not. Just that your responses are subtle attack and veiled deception to attack. QED.

hermosa7:
So the guy in the link below is spreading falsehood, abi?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJr8tcqvuMg

Mr man a simple google search to know what is in those verses and chapters would have prevented this your blantant display of ignorance, hypocrisy, islamophobia and most importantly self embarrassment.

I don't need to tell you that there are millions of people like you and the liar in the video who's main aim is to spread falsehood about Islam and paint the religion bad but Almoghty Allah is and will always be above you all.


The funniest thing is that verse 54 of Quran 3 (Family of IMRA'AN) that you and your co traveler in that videos talked about states that

54. And the disbelievers planned, but Allah planned. And Allah is the best of planners.


http://www.islamicity.org/quransearch/action.lasso.asp?-db=Quran&-lay=tblMasterTranslit&-format=SReply1.asp&-op=cn&Topics=1104&-token=Allah:is%20the%20best%20of%20planners%3C!--Asad,English,English_P,--%3E%7C%7C%3Cta%3Etrue%3C/ta%3E%3Ctt%3Etrue%3C/tt%3E%3Cts%3Etrue%3C/ts%3E%3Cdc%3Efalse%3C/dc%3E%3Ctx%3Etrue%3C/tx%3E%3Cal%3Etrue%3C/al%3E&-Sortorder=ascend&-Sortfield=cv&-find


The two of you planned to discredit the religion of God but God Almighty also planned to discredit you and God Almighty is the best of planners.


For your information it is a very powerful prayer against any enemy planning your downfall.

chemystery:
Jomoh, I'm an atheist, and your post/video has really made me think deep

I seriously agree with you and your Ray Comfort that something cannot exist out of nothing. Therefore, anything existing most probably should have a cause. But it disturbs me so much that when asked what caused god, we tend to try to define that problem away.

You can't just conclude without evidence that everything that comes into being must have a cause, except god. That is, of course, a special pleading fallacy.

What if god, if exists have a cause which supersedes his own and our own knowledge? Have you ever reasoned that way?

Or don't you think if a god exists, there should also exist a supergod who created this god, since our logic agrees god (which is something) can't just exist out of nothing?

Let's take a look at two logical ways to reason for real that something didn't just come out of nothing: ( ">" means "created by" ).

Case 1:
Printed book > Man > God > SuperGod > UltraSuperGod > HyperUltraSuperGod > (...till infinity!)

Case 2:
Printed book > Man > (...I don't really know because it is beyond my current reasoning and understanding of the world and hope someday I will find a logical answer)

The above would be a very logical and sincere way to reason.On the other hand, it is very illogical to say:

Printed book > Man > God > nothing

Or

Printed book > Man > God (The End!)

It would be irrational and insincere to create a logical progression and then truncate it at any point that pleases us while raising a special pleading for that purpose.

Whereas you have no evidence to prove why your answer is god and not something else that most probably isn't a supernatural being.

Truly it would be more honest and intellectually scrupulous to admit that we don't know why anything exists in the first place and decide to withhold judgment on claims of creators until some kind of evidence appears to substantiate their existence

Let me first make a correction in the signs you used.

It should have been

Book < man < God (means that man is greater than book while God is greater than man) RIGHT

and not

Book > man > God. (Means Book is greater than Man and man is greater than god) WRONG.

To your reaponse.

You seem to be getting one thing wrong. The concept of what and who is God. You seem to be contexting God with the thinking and reasoning of man whereas God is above the reasoning of man.


The reason why ray comfort used a book is because for you to know that

1 you can see the universe and its enrichment (the book)
2 you know the attributes and design of the universe.
3 you know how complex the design and its enrichment is
4 you know how strategic and organized the design is.


So how is it possible that all that came from nothing?

Now let's apply the logic up there to God.

1 can you see the designer(God) and his enrichments?
2 do you know the attributes and design of the designer(God)?
3 do you know how and to what extent the complexity of the design of the designer(God) is?
4 do you know to what extent how strategic and organized God is?

Obviously your answers to the above is No. so how do you determined if He was created.

The purpose of the video is not to show that you cannot get something from nothing.

It is to show that you cannot get anything so well organized and complex in design like the universe and its enrichment from from absolutely nothing.

Yes the Big Bang theory is true. My Mom Iran tells me that but to say the Big Bang explosion that gave rise to this well structured and complex design is not preplanned by a supreme designer just because there's no physical prove of its existence is absolutely nonsense.

Because you cannot see the printer of a book it will be illogical for you to not acknowledge that the book was created by someone.

Your question now is that who then created God. Well that question is for God to answer and he already did that he was not created by anyone. If that is true or not is not enough reason for anyone to just believe he doesn't exist.

Lol. A religion with no known guiding principle.




In one word. CHAOS.

hermosa7:
While watching a YouTube video, I came across the following.

The Quran contains 114 chapters and 6666 verses. Mohammad is mentioned only 4 times in the entire Quran while the name of Jesus is found 25 times. So, why does the Quran give more preference to Jesus? No woman’s name is mentioned in the Quran except Mariam, the mother of Jesus. Quran chapter 3’s name is ‘Family of Mariam’. Quran chapter 19’s name is ‘Mariam’. Quran chapter 3 verses 45 to 55 makes 10 points about Jesus: In these verses, Jesus is described as “The Word of God”, “Spirit of God’, “Jesus Christ”.

Interesting facts any lover of truth should consider.

Quran 3 is not FAMILY OF MARIAM.

It is FAMILY OF IMRA'AN.


There is difference.


No part of Quran 3 verses 45-55 was Jesus ever referred to as the "spirit of God". Yes he is Jesus Christ of Nazareth. That is why christians are referred to as Nazareths in the Quran rather Christians.


Stop spreading the falsehood you get online. Research about the religion before you counter it. You don't even know your own religion so who would you know another persons religion.