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Christianity EtcRe: God Can Move Mountains? Phillipinos Betrayed? 10,000 Dead. by Joshthefirst(m): 8:20am On Nov 15, 2013
mazaje: You only use the excuse of sin to rationalize your sadism. . .You have not been saved from anything. . .You need to save yourself from ancient myths, delusions and imaginations. . .Stop using human analogy when describing your nonsense. . .If you see a child walking towards a fire you will not only warn the child you will quickly run and take the child away. . Will you as a parent allow a disobedient child to burn in fire for 100 years?. . .Stop talking nonsense. . You are a sadist and a deluded one at that. . .Hell is no sober truth but the imaginations of deluded sadist like you who just use some stupid theology to make themselves feel happy about their miserable existence. . .
why are you making me repeat myself? God is not just a parent as I sid before. He's also an eternal judge. And you're not a child anymore that is not responsible for your actions. You're a grown man. Judgement Is coming, hell is real. But heaven is also real. Thank God. He has saved all who trust him from hell and sin and wrath. Archaeology and history has continually proved the bible is no ordinary book.

Receive Jesus today and be free from the burdens of sin.
Christianity EtcRe: God Can Move Mountains? Phillipinos Betrayed? 10,000 Dead. by Joshthefirst(m): 8:17am On Nov 15, 2013
peterphd: It's funny how Christians defy logic just to save their all powerful god but want their court cases to be settled based on the defied logic.
PS: @ Josh
So god came physically in form of Jesus? What about Mohamed and my village oracle that appears in form of relatives? God does not expect us to believe in a mythical Jesus that didn't exist.Let god come down during the champions' league final.if he can't, then so much for an all powerful, freewill doling god.
oh so now you claim jesus didn't exist?
Lol.
What did mohammed do and say and claim?
Jesus went about teaching and healing and preaching. Then he went and died for our sins. Did mohammed die for our sins?
Did mohammed save us from hell and Gods judgement?
Did mohammed heal.

Did mohammed say these words:

John 8:58 "Believe me," said Jesus, "I am who I am long before Abraham was anything." (The Message)

John 11:25-26 "You don't have to wait for the End. I am, right now, Resurrection and Life. The one who believes in me, even though he or she dies, will live. And everyone who lives believing in me does not ultimately die at all. Do you believe this?"

John 14:6-7 Jesus said, "I am the Road, also the Truth, also the Life. No one gets to the Father apart from me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know him. You've even seen him!"

What has mohammed and your atheism done for you? Has it tackled the problem of your sins? No. Jesus did that by dieing for us on that cross.

It is recorded. And it is proved in our lives.
Christianity EtcRe: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by Joshthefirst(m): 8:05am On Nov 15, 2013
Logicboy03: I wasnt whinning.....calm down.


U are always on my case. Look, if u want a date witrh an atheist, just ask.
smh
Christianity EtcRe: God Can Move Mountains? Phillipinos Betrayed? 10,000 Dead. by Joshthefirst(m): 8:01am On Nov 15, 2013
Logicboy03: You are afraid of hell and you want to share the fear of hell.

The Zeus worshipper is afraid of thunder and would want to warn people of zeus's lightening bolts...


Problem is that both zeus and hell do not exist.....both of you have no proof and it is unscientific.

Hell has no directions. You can point out where hell is just as no one can point out where zeus lives.


Hell is said to bé everlasting fire but entrropy and the impossibility of perpertual motion make it impossible


Zeus- a white man with beards could not live on a mountain and the sky at the same time and also throw thunderbolts
God has been logically proven, psychologically proven, physically appeared(in the form of Jesus Christ, but you won't accept that will you?), supernaturally proven.

If God fulfills the parameters of science, he ceases to be God in his characteristics. And our limited knowledge and testing will even be unable to prove his claims.

Why do you try to complicate this basic issue of life? The fact that people even feel remorse for their sins show there's a God. The fact that they're touched by Gods power and love and accept Christ show that God is active. I've seen lives changed and people healed.
I will still see more lives changed and people healed.

I've got to congratulate you atheists though. When I came here with my first moniker, I was quite surprised that this new challenge was already creeping into nigeria. And all your questions have only helped me study more and grow in Christ.

My faith is continually and daily strenghtened all the more. Praise the lord!

Who's next? We'll hear more testimonies from people who met God and reality very soon.

Revival is coming.

Stop living life in the mundane lb, stop justifying sin and wrongdoing. Each time, your questions are answered, and you either refuse the answers or come up with more silly questions. This is what Jesus had to say about that:

You might be a respected atheist cabal leader but..

John 3:10-12 Jesus said, "You're a respected teacher of Israel and you don't know these basics? Listen carefully. I'm speaking sober truth to you. I speak only of what I know by experience; I give witness only to what I have seen with my own eyes. There is nothing secondhand here, no hearsay. Yet instead of facing the evidence and accepting it, you procrastinate with questions. If I tell you things that are plain as the hand before your face and you don't believe me, what use is there in telling you of things you can't see, the things of God?


John 8:23-24 Jesus said, "You're tied down to the mundane; I'm in touch with what is beyond your horizons. You live in terms of what you see and touch. I'm living on other terms. I told you that you were missing God in all this. You're at a dead end. If you won't believe I am who I say I am, you're at the dead end of sins. You're missing God in your lives."
Christianity EtcRe: God Can Move Mountains? Phillipinos Betrayed? 10,000 Dead. by Joshthefirst(m): 7:45am On Nov 15, 2013
aManFromMars: @Josh:

Simple question: Does God know the exact choice you will make before you make them?
yes.

And I know you'll reply by saying: "that means you have to make the choice he knows."

Then I'll repeat myself by saying:
"As I said before, you make your choice independent of his omniscience"
Christianity EtcRe: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by Joshthefirst(m): 7:31am On Nov 15, 2013
Morning everyone. Its a beautiful day. cheesy

May you walk in Gods will today.
LiteratureRe: Literature/Writing Section's "Chat Central!" by Joshthefirst(m): 7:27am On Nov 15, 2013
firestar: (...)

*That owl and its ' Oor-huu_hu-hu-hu-hu, Oor-huu_hu-hu-hu-hu...*

(Quiet jor)
morning ma'am.
Morning everyone.
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Christianity EtcRe: God Can Move Mountains? Phillipinos Betrayed? 10,000 Dead. by Joshthefirst(m): 7:23am On Nov 15, 2013
mazaje: Later this deluded one will come here saying he isn't afraid of hell. . .Why the hell then does it keep coming out of most things you say, why use it as a bargaining chip to scare people?. . .I find it disgusting that you still believe in this sadist idea, christians in many parts of the world are already running away from this sadist idea. . . .But to you its fair game because you are already a failed human being who is not different from the muslim terrorist. . .The only difference is that you believe people deserve to suffer in the after life while the muslism terrorist believes their need to suffer immediately. . .
honestly if you see a child heading toward a fire won't you warn him to stop?

I tell the truth. Hell is the sober truth. It is only when people realize the penalty of their sins and feel remorse for breaking Gods law that they'll reach for the saviour: Jesus Christ.

And I don't preach a condemnation message btw, I preach a salvation message. We have been saved from condemnation and sin and hell. I zero in on the messiah
LiteratureRe: Literature/Writing Section's "Chat Central!" by Joshthefirst(m): 7:08am On Nov 15, 2013
princesa: hi Josh smiley
morning. Have a nice day.
Christianity EtcRe: God Can Move Mountains? Phillipinos Betrayed? 10,000 Dead. by Joshthefirst(m): 7:03am On Nov 15, 2013
Bold foolishness. Until you can refute what I said, which is supported by Gods very actions in the bible, you are wasting your time.

[size=20pt]Gods omniscience does not infringe on mans freewill[/size]

God indeed knows who will end up in hell because he knows the final choices we make. I repeat, because he knows the final choices we make. We make these choices not to fulfill his own pattern that is preknown, we make this choices because they are our choices to make. It is foolish thinking to think that they're both intertwined. This is another case of you trying to evade responsibility for your actions when you realize indeed that there's a God.

God knows the final choices we make, but does he want us to go to heaven? Yes. Does he want anyone to make a choice of going to hell? No. How do we know? Because he sent Jesus to die for our sins while we were yet sinners. No one will have an excuse for choosing to continue in iniquity because Gods will is known. If God wanted to actually set everyone's destiny(thus making us programmed robots), he would set us on a straight course to heaven of course. But his will is not always done in our lives. That's right, we can choose to ignore his will for foolish reasons such as the basis of this argument. Nonsense.

This argument will land you where nnofaith landed. Cursing God for sending him to hell after foolishly puting his name on the list to hell he does not believe exists.

If you still choose to be willfully deluded after this...if you still think that you're not responsible for your choices and actions...
LiteratureRe: Literature/Writing Section's "Chat Central!" by Joshthefirst(m): 9:39pm On Nov 14, 2013
Reverse psychology.
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Christianity EtcRe: General Butt Nakd, Genocidal Liberian Warlord, Spared By The Grace Of God? by Joshthefirst(m): 9:34pm On Nov 14, 2013
Seed of Onan: Well I have to admit, I have no sweet words for those who believe in witchcraft. This article is a testament to the dangers of this primitive belief and its a national embarrassment. I will gladly insult, defame and offend anyone who holds these ridiculous superstitious beliefs. This is my greatest concern in this forum. The backwards witchcraft people that given the opportunity might run around nakd thinking their bullet proof or suspect a family member as a witch and send them to live in the street or give them to a Fetish priest to be poisoned. I'm here hoping I can inject some common sense into those fools. No sweet words for those morons. Only utter disgust and condemnation
I do not commend people who act stupidly because of supposed witchcraft too, but is utter disgust and insult and offense the right way to "cure" them?
Is this not the base of religious fanaticism? Offending those whose beliefs don't run with yours? Insulting them? Being disgusted by them?

Instead of this behaviour, I adjure you to learn from real believers, whose every action is borne out of love for the people they want to change, not utter disgust and hatred.
Christianity EtcRe: General Butt Nakd, Genocidal Liberian Warlord, Spared By The Grace Of God? by Joshthefirst(m): 9:08pm On Nov 14, 2013
aManFromMars: And he goes around, repeating the same nonsense. One who argues and learns nothing from opposing views, God told him, he knows it, everyone else is wrong. I pity you honestly.
I honestly pity you too. grin grin


On a serious note manfrommars, I learn a lot from you guys everyday. And I have people who bear witness with Gods word with me.
RomanceRe: Nairaland Most Romantic & Un_Romantic Girl 2013 Is ?? by Joshthefirst(m): 8:56pm On Nov 14, 2013
adaobi123: Fly away biko angry

Afam honey, no mind them. I still loff you. kiss kiss
grin grin grin
Jiri ya nwayo madam
RomanceRe: Nairaland Most Romantic & Un_Romantic Girl 2013 Is ?? by Joshthefirst(m): 8:51pm On Nov 14, 2013
adaobi123: I'm not denying tongue

I still loff him.
adaobi123: He knows na. Its just play smiley
grin grin
Your very words condemn you.
grin
RomanceRe: Nairaland Most Romantic & Un_Romantic Girl 2013 Is ?? by Joshthefirst(m): 8:47pm On Nov 14, 2013
adaobi123: He knows na. Its just play smiley
why are you denying your e-husband and disrespecting your e-marriage?
grin
Christianity EtcRe: God Can Move Mountains? Phillipinos Betrayed? 10,000 Dead. by Joshthefirst(m): 8:45pm On Nov 14, 2013
nnofaith: What the Fu*k has he done for me lately?!
you didn't answer my questions...I'm not surprised.

Edit: you might refuse to see what he has done for you, but answer me another question;
How has he wronged you? How so to the extent that you first deny his existence and then scream fu*k him for you putting yourself in a list of hell you believe to be imaginary?
Christianity EtcRe: General Butt Nakd, Genocidal Liberian Warlord, Spared By The Grace Of God? by Joshthefirst(m): 8:42pm On Nov 14, 2013
Seed of Onan: Atheists are trying to unite Nigeria by dispelling primitive beliefs in witchcraft. Hoping to convice islamic extremists to value education instead of shooting children in schools. Convincing Christians not to let themselves get fleeced by charlatan pastors selling miracles. Once these barriers are removed we can all focus on development, fighting corruption, getting rid of malaria, improving our roads and healthcare and infrastructure. Nigerians are too preoccupied with extreme religious beliefs. We are trying to eradicate them. That's how we are contributing to Nigerian Unity. Fighting superstition and bringing in progress and modernity to Nigeria and Africa. That's the Atheist cause. Maybe it's a hard pill to swallow but Atheists have a lot of reasons to be upset. Especially in Nigeria
I hear.
As I said, the activities of your own brother atheists reduce your "sweet" words to nothing.

Go to them and set their heads straight, they've become infected with the same religious fanaticism that they think they're fighting against.
Christianity EtcRe: The Bones Of St Peter Go On Display by Joshthefirst(m): 8:35pm On Nov 14, 2013
Enigma: ^^^ Listen to Augustine of Hippo

"Now this name of Peter was given him by the Lord, and that in a figure, that he should signify the Church. For seeing that Christ is the rock (Petra), Peter is the Christian people. For the rock (Petra) is the original name. Therefore Peter is so called from the rock; not the rock from Peter; as Christ is not called Christ from the Christian, but the Christian from Christ.

"Therefore," he says, "You are Peter; and upon this Rock" which you have confessed, upon this Rock which you have acknowledged, saying, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God, will I build My Church;"

that is upon Myself, the Son of the living God, "will I build My Church." I will build you upon Myself, not Myself upon you."


Like say na after Trent and Vatican I, dem for don anathematise, excommunicate, apostasise Augustine tay tay! grin

And no be only him oh! I still dey come with Jerome dem and co. wink

smiley
blessed be the name of the lord
Christianity EtcRe: God Can Move Mountains? Phillipinos Betrayed? 10,000 Dead. by Joshthefirst(m): 8:20pm On Nov 14, 2013
aManFromMars: First of all, atheists don't believe in hell.

Beyond the emotional appeal, God has a list of people in his hands now of the people going to hell- the dead, the living and GENERATIONS YET UNBORN.

So why bother?
is your name there?

If he does not believe in God or hell? Why would he bother to classify himself in the "imaginary list of an imaginary God made of people who choose to go to imaginary hell"? And curse God for him willingly putting himself in that list? Smh.

How would he foolishly support the notion of God wanting him to go to hell when God sacrificed his son, and poured his wrath on God-the-son to keep him from going there?
Christianity EtcRe: God Can Move Mountains? Phillipinos Betrayed? 10,000 Dead. by Joshthefirst(m): 8:16pm On Nov 14, 2013
Joshthefirst: as usual, you keep repeating the same nonsense. How many times will it be drummed into your thick skull that people go to hell for commiting iniquity. You keep repeating this idiotic statement and calling others fools. Smh.
Christianity EtcRe: General Butt Nakd, Genocidal Liberian Warlord, Spared By The Grace Of God? by Joshthefirst(m): 8:08pm On Nov 14, 2013
Seed of Onan: I'm not complaining, this is actually an area were atheist have a very weak argument. The Forgiveness of Christ has brought comfort to many and it has been a therapeutic healer to the sick and downtrodden. If christians were forgiving all the time, christians wouldn't even know atheists exist. We just rise up in defense of social issues and education. But this story is a compelling story to the power of Christianity.

General Butt Nakd is owning up to his crimes without incentive because as the article states, everybody basically got away with committing murder. Not because of fear of instability, because it was Africa and we don't matter to the West. But that's another story.

What I get more from this story is the danger of tribalism and why Africans need to band together as one people. I think Religion is divisive and especially in Nigeria pitting christian against muslim is just a way for Shell Oil to come in and clean house. Imagine if we all united as One people for the good of Nigeria, Not for the God of our clan God. That's what make Atheists so evangelical. We wan't unity amongst our people.

This story is just some food for thought for Atheists and Christians alike
I am against religion too sir. It has exploited and decieved men. But think carefully. How will you support unity in nigeria when you(atheists, who have given me an impression of their character here on nl), when you publicly act worse than the religious people you condemn by insulting others and fanatically supporting your subjective version of reality?

You guys are not for the unity of nigeria. You're trying to buffer up the situation.
What have atheists done here on the nairaland premise that is not exhibiting typical religious fanatical behaviour?

Believe there's no god, or you're foolish, believe there's no god or you're only spewing foolish logic? Believe there's no god or you're brainwashed? Or you're re.tarded? The reason there are natural disasters is because people are still trusting God?(What roman pagans said in the early first century)

The very acts of your brothers condemn you.

That's whyi support christianity the lifestyle. It manages to grow mightily and prevail without outrightly insulting others and downgrading others. It does not grow by calling others "motherfucking liars".

It grows by preaching the love of christ to a love depraved world. The salvation of christ to a world in the bondage of sin.
Christianity EtcRe: God Can Move Mountains? Phillipinos Betrayed? 10,000 Dead. by Joshthefirst(m): 7:57pm On Nov 14, 2013
nnofaith: @josh
The problem is not that he knows.
it is that he created you to go to hell!
he creates pple to send them to hell for eternity.
you're still making this blind argument and cursing God, endangering yourself all the more.

Let me ask you some questions:
Answer honestly.

Were you created to go to hell? Tell me with all sincerity, do you want to go to hell? Does God want you to go to hell?

If you're too embarrased by the answer to the questions to post them publicly, keep them to yourselves and think well of why you would say f*uck you to a God who has done everything in paradox to save your soul from hell.
Christianity EtcRe: "Mother Nature Sure Blew It...." by Joshthefirst(m): 7:52pm On Nov 14, 2013
Another edifying and thought provoking message. It always baffles me when people will blame evil on God and blame creative and awe-inspiring beauty on non-directed randomness. Actual and bold stupidity if you ask me. Foolishness.

Why would they use the name of a God they claim not to exist as a curse word, why would they call Jesus to express disgust?

The names ofPeople who have commited terrible crimes like hitler are not even used to express disgust.
It is only Jesus' name they know, jesus who went about healing and died for our sins.

Humanity are truly enemies of God in their mind through wicked works.
And it is only when a man understands the terrible predicament and danger he's in as a result of breaking Gods law repeatedly and boldly that he'll look for the saviour; Christ Jesus

Thanks Ola.
Christianity EtcRe: General Butt Nakd, Genocidal Liberian Warlord, Spared By The Grace Of God? by Joshthefirst(m): 7:41pm On Nov 14, 2013
Seed of Onan: Forgiveness is one of the tenets of Christianity that I admire and place reverence on. My argument is more spiritual than condemning Butt Nakd. How is it Jesus would openly accept a mass murderer over an unbeliever who has lived a life as a humanitarian? People are products of their environment. It's a fascinating story, but do Christians in this forum think they could forgive that man if they were his victims? I'm an Atheist and I know I would want to see him behind bars. He committed war crimes and should be held accountable.
no man, is not guilty of sin. From the mass murderer to the reformed humanitarian.
All have sinned.
(This even brings another argument into play, the argument of what sin actually is. If this man claims that he killed those people for good intentions, or that the basis of his morality does not condemn his actions, will you still condemn him?)


Human justice would condemn the man. But if this man truly repents, God will forgive him. God has already died and borne the consequence of his since through Christ Jesus. Why would he then add him to the growing numbers of hell?

Is it not you that would claim God should do anything as a father to save his child?
If God condemns this man to hell because of unrepentance, you would complain. If God forgives this man because of his repentance, you'd complain.

Or do you not hold the same views as your atheist brothers?
Christianity EtcRe: General Butt Nakd, Genocidal Liberian Warlord, Spared By The Grace Of God? by Joshthefirst(m): 7:10pm On Nov 14, 2013
Seed of Onan: So this Guy goes to Heaven, But an Unbelieving humanitarian who selflessly gives there life to the greater good goes too hell for not worshiping the right God?
when God forgives a sinner after he repents, they take offense, when God condemns a sinner to hell for refusing to repent, they take offense.

Unbridled hypocrisy.
Christianity EtcRe: God Can Move Mountains? Phillipinos Betrayed? 10,000 Dead. by Joshthefirst(m): 7:02pm On Nov 14, 2013
OilSubsidy: O'l boy, na wa for you o o. It is plain obvious that whoever engages you in this christianity and God argument is merely wasting their time because your mind is already made up and can never be changed.

Ques: Your teacher already know you will fail exam no matter how you try because he is 'all knowing'. Can you do anything about it?

Ques: If God had already pencilled you down for hell becos he knows the end from the beginning, of what use is the freewill then? You are going to hell no matter what!
God's omniscience and freewill are exclusive(parallel). You are going to hell because you choose to do so. Gods omniscience is exclusive to the matter. How does the fact that he knows your final choice downgrade freewill?

If God knows that your going to hell is assured, your being a christian today does not mean a thing because you will backslide eventually and still end up in hell in any case because he knew that is where you will end up.
I don't know how it is difficult to understand that God knows that your going to hell is ASSURED BY YOUR OWN CHOICE. Your "backsliding eventually" will not happen because he knows your choice, your choice is independent of his foreknowledge

How is this difficult to understand? Smh.
Christianity EtcRe: God Can Move Mountains? Phillipinos Betrayed? 10,000 Dead. by Joshthefirst(m): 6:18pm On Nov 14, 2013
Mr Troll: bros, I've told you. Stay away from my posts. don't argue with me. I have no time to entertain your foolish logic.
sorry, I didn't see this post before I made the other one. I won't argue with you. Never mind my questions.
Christianity EtcRe: God Can Move Mountains? Phillipinos Betrayed? 10,000 Dead. by Joshthefirst(m): 6:16pm On Nov 14, 2013
Mr Troll: you are wasting your time with him. he spews contradictory statements left, right, and center and yet can't see it even if you show it to him.
okay sir, let's put it another way.
I doubt this will work though.


Try to imagine yourself as an eternal judge who knows the end from the beginning.

Let's say I am a man, you know me. I claim to profess christ, but in secret, I commit sin, you know that I will continue to commit sin and be condemned as a result.
Now answer these questions:

1. Does your foreknowledge of my choices influence my choices?

2. Does justice not require you as a judge to warn me through all possible means to not continue in my path?

How you answer the first will determine how you answer the second.
Christianity EtcRe: God Can Move Mountains? Phillipinos Betrayed? 10,000 Dead. by Joshthefirst(m): 6:10pm On Nov 14, 2013
Mr Troll: @bold, this is circular reasoning my friend. you cannot assume the position you are trying to prove, in this case that Man is not a robot with an illusion of freewill.

omniscience is not a case of knowing all the possible outcomes. it is knowing, with certainty what action the being will take. and being the creator of said being, also implies giving the being the ability to do what you already know it will do....
the bolded is where your problem lies.

God has given man the ability to make a free choice. As I said before, his omniscient knowledge does not infringe on mans ability.

The ability you speak of, is freewill itself, and it does not enable or monopolize man to make God's choice. THE CHOICE IS GOD's NOT MANS. Freewill is the ability to choose.

Omniscience is the knowledge of the final choice. Both of them are exclusive.
Christianity EtcRe: God Can Move Mountains? Phillipinos Betrayed? 10,000 Dead. by Joshthefirst(m): 6:05pm On Nov 14, 2013
rationalmind: If you really can't see the problem with the bolded, anyone trying to reply you is just wasting his time. You won't still see it
if you really can't see the equation of omniscience from the standpoint of an eternal judge who is also a loving father, you're being willfully decieved.
Christianity EtcRe: God Can Move Mountains? Phillipinos Betrayed? 10,000 Dead. by Joshthefirst(m): 6:00pm On Nov 14, 2013
nnofaith: So god already knows i am going to hell! cool!!
we don't know if you're going to hell or heaven. God knows. We are here to preach to you, to advise you not to go to hell. God is in us. Preaching to you.

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