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onyfrank: .
How, bt dnt tell me it evaporate bkus i havnt even once seen water going back into d sky.

macof: u so gullible
Atheism is Idolatry
u dont even knw wat Idolatry means

idolatry according to the bible is painting a false image of God.

Atheism paints an image of a God that's not there at all. That does not exist.
Or that has no sense of moral responsibility and judgement so they can live comfortably and enjoyably with their evil deeds.

Logicboy03: This is pure logic.....no evidence needed

a) Do we use science in the form of geology and dating techniques to ascertain the age of the earth

or

b) Do we use scripture to ascertain the age of the earth




Hint; it can never be be (b)



Guy, you have embarassed yourself. Bible tells the age of the earth indeed. Does the bible even tell you the age of Jesus?

smh. I do not say we need to abandon science, I say that science actually agrees with Gods word. I say that dating techniques and geology actually estimate the real age of the earth.

I understand and agree with part of your message sir.
Have a wonderful evening.

HumbledbYGrace: Josh's things

smh.

No personal attacks please @ everyone.

As christians we're supposed to exhibit self control as we speak against evil.
We should not use the bible as an excuse to call people fools because we feel they're insulting God.

Romans 12:14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse.

Romans 12:19 Friends, do not avenge yourselves; instead, leave room for His wrath. For it is written: Vengeance belongs to Me; I will repay, says the Lord.

20 But
If your enemy is hungry, feed him.
If he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
For in so doing
you will be heaping fiery coals on his head.

21 Do not be conquered by evil, but conquer evil with good.


But you should remember we also should not indulge mockers.
Psalm 1:1 How happy is the man
who does not follow the advice of the wicked
or take the path of sinners
or join a group of mockers!

If you try to speak the message to someone and they begin to throw insults and start to mock, it your signal to stop. Your words will mean nothing. Just pray.

I speak this with all sincerity of heart as well as advice from a good friend()




As for you atheists and co, my good friends. I advice you to go and learn from kay 17. She has some home training. She seems to manage to speak without cussing or mocking. I actually even like her manner of speaking and the way she thinks. She seems to ask honest questions.

Some of you mock unbecomingly, while some others mock genuinely, because the message hurts. It speaks to the conscience and hearts of men. Your atheism is not an excuse for you to be proud windbags who use every excuse to resort to mockery and delight in sin. It only confirms the message of Gods word.
Think about your lives and how shallow it has become since you became atheists. Think about the way you use religion as an excuse to mock and reject the real deal of the love and judgement of God.
Many of you mock the way I speak and yet you can't speak against it. I endeavour to speak the way Jesus speaks and relate the way he relates. Study the bible. He was hard and strong and spoke judgement to the proud and unrepentant. To others who sought truth and Gods mercy, he was kind and showed the way, the message, Gods love. You must understand that I have your best interests at heart when I tell you the wages of sin is death and point out the foolishness in some of your posts and when I speak of sin.(I am not looking for an opportunity to mock).



To everyone, whether you're an atheist or you profess to be a christian, if you have not truly repented and been saved from sin, the message of Jesus in judgement will be the same:
Depart from me, ye workers of iniquity



Let us show civility in our discussions and debates.

Logicboy03: Guy, there is no comeback from this level of failure......the age of the earth can never and has never been correctly calculated from the bible.


It couldnt even get the story of the first humans right......

present your evidence and let me present mine.
Do well to study more to avoid embarrassment.

mazaje: It can't. . .Some christians who claim access to the holy spirit and god say it is not true, why are they wrong and what did your god tell you. . .Scientist and history with verifiable evidence have shown that the earth is NOT 6000 years old. . .Why should we believe you?. . .I want you to tell your god to tell you the age of the earth, so your god is your own house boys that he leads you and talks to you, eh?. . .I laugh in greek. . .

bring your facts and let's talk hard evidence and see who's indoctrinated about evolution and the age of the earth and human behaviour and civilization.

It is only weak christians who listened to false information that tried to bring down the authority of Gods word and started trying to merge it with false scientific facts, ending up confused.

Mr Troll: Talk about contradiction.

And i presume the earth is 6000 yrs old from your biblical calculations abi?


why dont we throw away all scientific knowledge and go to the bible for all answers to scientific enquiry?







Oh! wait...

when did I support throwing away scientific enquiry?
Science is good, but the only thing science can do in relation to the bible is catch up with its facts sir.

Please open a thread and let us discuss scientifically and let me show you.

texanomaly: How are you today Josh?

I'm fine ma'am.
How has your day been?

texanomaly: Thanks. Not bad for phone pix huh?

yes ma'am.
Not bad at all.

Kay 17: The purpose of man as per Genesis was to replenish the earth, it isn't an indvidual purpose, but one given to all humans. Even at surface value the christian purpose to life is shallow

excuses, excuses, excuses.

nnofaith: damm!

mazaje: I am not looking for a sign but knowledge. . .This issue is dividing many christians, can you tell us since you claim to speak to your god?. . .

the age of the earth can be calculated from the bible.

We don't need God to tell us.

And God as I said, is not your houseboy. The only sign that'll be given to an unbeliever asking for a sign is the sign of jonah(try to understand what the sign of jonah is)

nnofaith: will josh answer the god dammed question?



dammed if he does!
dammed if he doesnt!

As for you my brother.






I have only a statement to make.





























You spelled damned wrong.

Uyi Iredia: Your thinking here is flawed. God has in the OT responded to curses more than once.

how exactly did God respond to curses in the old testament? Did he or did he not respond with judgement?

Uyi Iredia: This is a God congratulated for killing a couple for lying. It's a travesty to believe in the Genesis story, acts by the major prophets and Revelations without sufficient proof and then remember to put on the cap of skepticism when it comes to other religions. Do you believe, for instance, that Buddha was a prophesied Savior of mankind ?

the couple, annaias amd sapphira, lied with intent to decieve the holy spirit. God cannot be mocked. It was the early church. God had to pass judgement on that man and wife. For them, it was instant[it seems]. For others, it takes sometime. I do not know why. But I know that sin cannot remain unpunished. Should he had congratulated them for trying to decieve him?

I ask questions about buddha and others. I ask how did they save mankind?
The answers are silly and unjustified.
Jesus paid the price for the sin of mankind, and bore their punishment and Gods wrath legally.

Uyi Iredia: I don't just refuse to believe. I have the fact of shared common experience to know snakes don't talk, disembodied voices don't speak and chariots of fire don't carry people off to a poorly-evidenced heaven. I check the historical evidence see aspects of early religious though present in Christianity, lack of evidence for certain events eg the Exodus from Egypt, even in a better place to assess the evidence since I am not BOUND to twist it to suit my Christian worldview. Then I ask whilst losing the faith that God should show me the way, no response, and Christians are bound to special-plead for God when they would condemn a father who watches whilst his child burns in a fire he made.

no sir, you refuse to believe. The bible is the foremost record of events of the past, before archaeological findings have many times confirmed its reports. We tell you we have seen people healed and saved. We tell you the supernatural has occurred in our lives, that We're saved from sin. You even see this(have you not seen the real deal before? Watch well. They're everywhere). But you refuse to believe. It seems you still think this is about religion. Ask yourself this questions: did you ever have the faith? Were you ever saved from sin? Or did you just go to church and believe everything your pastor told you in an effort to 'get to heaven' and yet was not saved from sin which is what christianity is all about? Another problem is you thinking that God is all father, and thinking you're just a child. God is father and judge. You're a man, responsible for your actions, you know better than to lust and fornicate and feed on s.exual and perveted content. You know better than to lie and to take what does not belong to you. But man has done these things. He has done evil. And God has saved as a father without breaking his own law as a judge. Yet you reject and call yourself a child who is not morally responsible yet, or you make up ideals like 'God does not exist' so you will not be morally responsible to him?

Uyi Iredia: The problem with your poor thinking on God not open to scientific evidence is that it can be used to support many (if not any) supernatural claim. From those Islam, Hinduism, paganism etc to New-Age mysticism. One thing is for sure, Gos has NEVER been sewn to make the laws whose insult you bemoan, only men.

only the ignorant would blame God for any supernatural happening (or seemingly supernatural happening) or choose to not believe in God because of others blaming God for any seemingly supernatural happening. We know how God acts. Its in his word.

Uyi Iredia: A father who wants to save must shew Himself to the child he wants saved.

That's all for now.

has God not shown himself to you? Do you not read his words and recognize them? Do you not have the eyes to seperate the real ones from the fake?

God knows he has to judge. He has been preaching to humanity the good news of salvation and forgiveness for years now. Don't you see him?

He's been saying "man, you're guilty of breaking my laws, but you don't need to perish. Come and trust me let me forgive you. I'm rich in mercy. Let me give you a part of my kingdom"
Some men respond to Gods call, others reject him.

The tragedies of men who were unrepentant and were judged should sober us up to respond to Gods call.

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adaobi123: Gosh idris is so handsome. Can't believe he's taken.

thought you were married.

These are really nice. I can't wait for the next installments.

esauy: Yes, modern era, age of information. Unfortunately many Nigerians want to live in the Dark Ages were witches exist, prophets predict the future & feudal lords exploit the serf population who are to busy being preoccupied with Demons, witch Hunting & killing each other in stampedes to get miracle spring water (AKA Juju Charm).

YES! Sex is a good thing when it's done between consenting adults who love each other. And if it weren't for you churches repression of birth control, we could avoid unnecessary abortions.

There is no such thing as Sin. I behave according to the rules & norms of society because I was fortunate enough to be raised in a healthy family along with being born with a sound neurological mind.

People who misbehave & carry out acts of evil are either predisposed to commiting these acts through the biology in their mind or trauma in their upbringing. Religion does little to nothing to change this. If anything religion only make people worse giving an evil person biblical justification to rape, kill, commit genocide. Enough is enough. Why aren't Africans tired of this? Religion is the feul that incites the fire, & it's the Zealous beleiver who's the one whose immoral. Seriously, go back & read some of the absurd posts of your fellow believers justifying 10,000 deaths as a consequence of your imaginary God's judgement

lies. I am not for religion btw. I am for Jesus Christ.
Denying your sins is denying part of your life. Denying lying and stealing and lusts and greed and taking what does not belong to you and blasphemy.

What can I say to someone who thinks evil doing does not exist?

A criminal trying to deny the rules written even in his heart does not exist.

Uyi Iredia: And yours . . . . as well as other acclaimed men of God over time. Allow some of us our skepticism we would like to see the God that spoke with thunder and lightning. That should satiate the curiosity of some of us, lend more credence to your story and crucially let God (if He exists) state His intent.

God is God. What God who is allpowerful in your opinion would respond to curses and yelling? The only time the father will come down in all his glory and goodness is to punish sin and sinners and show the righteousness his love. It sometimes seems like a fairytale, but sin is not a fairytale. Humanity has made sin a vital part of their lives. And sin cries out to Gods wrath.

God has stated his intent. You just refuse to believe. God cannot fulfill the parameters of scientific testing or he ceases to be God. He is mighty and not at the beck and call of people who insult him by breaking his laws and congratulating others who do so.

Gods intent is to save and to judge.
Simple.

Mr Troll: see the explanation. the 'joke' was off point.

you should have laughed to pity me at least.
Smh.

peterphd: This Josh is just brain dead! How can we be sure it is not allah killing them for you infidel Christians refusing to worship him or vishnu or odin or alekwu? Stop being such a dolt for your bloodthirsty god.

sorry, I don't respond to people who publicly show their immaturity by choosing to only mock what they do not believe in.

Do you see mazaje cussing or mocking?
Do you see rationalmind cussing?

Its pathetic. I won't waste words.

Mr Troll: 'dead horse' is an idiomatic expression....

I was making a joke....

mazaje: You have been lying as usual. . .You do not even know your bible, is it not the bible that says that unbelievers will see and believe when talking about signs?. . .What are you talking about?. . .Tell your god to tell you how many years ago he created the universe. . .I don't know but if your god can tell you and it is reasonable then I will believe. . .I am waiting. . .

Matthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. 39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

Mr Troll: examination malpractice. corruption cuts across all sectors of the nation.

ungortunately, this is true. But its changing in some universities that vehemently fight against it and use computer based testing.

You'll be surprised the little amount of knowledge a person who claims to have gone to secondary schopol has. Smh.

mazaje: I can and will believe you as long as its true. . .

Then why are you asking me when you already know the true answer?

You're asking for a sign. God does not give unbelieving people signs.

texanomaly: *

*walks through thread, dragging a dead horse*

"Excuse me, just passing through."

*blocks her path, asks her: "what are you doing with that dead horse ma'am?! Surely you don't want to eat it!"*

mazaje: Nope. . .Its very clear. . .

Jesus told the high priest (Caiphas) that he would live to see his second coming.

"But I tell you: From now on you will see 'the Son of Man seated at the right hand of the Power' and 'coming on the clouds of heaven.'" (Matthew 26:64 )

Then Jesus answered, "I am; and 'you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of the Power and coming with the clouds of heaven.'" (Mark 14:62 )

Jesus told his disciples that the second coming will occur before the disciples finish preaching in Israel. . . .

"When they persecute you in one town, flee to another. Amen, I say to you, you will not finish the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes." (Matthew 10:23)

"There will be signs in the sun, the moon, and the stars, and on earth nations will be in dismay, perplexed by the roaring of the sea and the waves. People will die of fright in anticipation of what is coming upon the world, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. But when these signs begin to happen, stand erect and raise your heads because your redemption is at hand." He taught them a lesson. "Consider the fig tree and all the other trees. When their buds burst open, you see for yourselves and know that summer is now near; in the same way, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near. Amen, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away. (Luke 21:25-33)

if I show you how you're misinterpreting those scriptures and tell you what Jesus meant, will you stop bringing up silly excuses to justify yourself?

esauy: The number one rule of Politics is Generate Fear! You can't galvanize a group of people to rally behind your cause unless you give them something to fear. Human beings overwhelmingly respond to negativity. Thats why we are in this forum enjoying the fact that we are here scolding one another. You give a group of people something to fear and they will rally to your cause, be it true or false. Its just the unfortunate nature of man. Jesus was most likely a religious Zealot trying to organize an armed insurrection in an attempt to over throw his Roman oppressors who were diluting his Jewish Faith with their pagan beliefs and bribing the pharisees to be corrupt an tow the Roman line.

This is a wonderful quote for us Atheist to remember when we get that argument about God of the Old Testament vs. God of the New. They are both cruel and vindictive. Religion is the only thing that makes good people do and say bad things. This quote is truly disturbing and I'm glad you brought it to my attention. Jesus was not the God of Love and Peace. He definitely was out for war

Matthew 10:34
Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword

These are the scriptures that are so dangerous and worthy of condemnation in our modern era

generate fear? Modern era?
I laugh. Modern era ko, post-mortem era ni.

Yes. Try to downgrade the scriptures and Gods law and judgement. Let's do it. We can enjoy sin wella if we convince ourselves there's no judgement of sin and try to find faults in the scriptures.
Maybe if we say there's no judge, hew'll disappear and we can get away with wrong doing.

In this modern era let's commit abortion and teach children they should enjoy life and have sex and fun. Let exploit their mistakes and suffering and grief and cause them to lose accountability.

Let's tell them there is no wages of sin and God is a wicked joke that doesn't exist.

mazaje: Why are you running away from my question, you claim god tells you what to read from the bible and he talk to you bla bla bla. can you ask him to tell you when exactly he created the universe?. . .

why would I tell you when you wouldn't believe me?

Education in nigeria is really bad because of deplorable infrastructure and lack of motivation and resources for meaningful research, among other things like good teachers and lecturers.

The people are intelligent though. They just do not have oppourtunity to develop, and they are sometimes limited by their thinking.

But this should not stop anyone from developing himself. There are very many resources for personal development all around us(like the internet).
People should not limit themselves.

Things are changing shaa. I believe the end of the current strike will signal a new dawn in the education sector of this country.

Although most pals are pessimistic and hate this, I try to get people motivated for change and personal development everywhere I find myself in nigeria.

They need to learn to think outside the box of challenges and trust God to give them resources to implement innovation.

rationalmind: Reminds me of my lecturer who spends time talking about how God is punishing america for legalising homosexuality instead of teaching what he came to teach.

Funny thing is, you dare not even ask him questions regarding his claim.

why don't you dare ask him questions?

mazaje: Jesus also told his disciples that he will return during their life time, he also told the high priest that he will see him return during his life time. . .All false. . .

as usual, giving your own interpretation to scriptures.