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Nairaland General › Re: Best Of Logicboy Series........ by Joshthefirst(m): 5:54pm On Nov 17, 2013

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Christianity Etc › Re: Where Was God Living Before HE Created Heaven??? by Joshthefirst(m): 5:52pm On Nov 17, 2013

Logicboy03: SMH.....the lalala sophist master has arrived!

Where did God come from? Where was he before the heaven, earth and universe were created? Nowhere.

sometimes, I wonder if all is well with you.

God has always been there. I AM THAT I AM

He is the origin. We couldn't answer this question, he answered it himself.

You cant answer the question because God is a useless concept for explaining the origin of anything

Morality? Where did morality come from? Morality is based on evolution and the brain/reasoning. The best explanation comes from psychology- how man works- No God needed for that

This is a blatant lie.

Pick the origin of anything on this earth and you will find that God is the worst explanation for it. Try me....go ahead....

the only origin that God would probably have time explaining is the origin of your foolish questions and concepts. grin

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Christianity Etc › Re: Evil Confirms Absence Of God. by Joshthefirst(m): 5:09pm On Nov 17, 2013

Kay 17: Isn't it obvious from DeepSight's threads and posts that he sees a divine will in the Universe because of the meaning it implies. In other words, Deepsight creates his God because of the meaning he seeks thereof.

Hence a psychological conditioning

do you see a divine will in the universe?

God of course can be a psychological conditioning. But you can't speak this to those who encountered him and still walk with him and claim to know him and back up their claims with their lives.

Humans have been making up gods for some time.
But the bible( and indeed our very lives) teach and show that God, allowing humans to realize that they couldn't decipher his being and attributes psychologically, came down and walked among them. Showing his true character.

It is this God that I met. I never ascribed character or human morals to him. That would be an insult and me acting like an ordinary idol worshipper.

I met this God. But of course, you won't believe me.

Just like the people whom Jesus walked among didn't believe him when he claimed to be the one.

Christianity Etc › Re: Evil Confirms Absence Of God. by Joshthefirst(m): 5:02pm On Nov 17, 2013

Deepsight, are morals human?

Christianity Etc › Re: Where Was God Living Before HE Created Heaven??? by Joshthefirst(m): 1:35pm On Nov 17, 2013

Logicboy03: God came from nothing and lived nowhere until he created himself and then created heaven, earth and the universe....

To me, God sounds like a mental case

okay

Christianity Etc › Re: Evil Confirms Absence Of God. by Joshthefirst(m): 1:26pm On Nov 17, 2013

Logicboy03: There is no such thing as a physical being? I see Joshthefirst has educated you on willful ignorance

Christianity Etc › Re: Evil Confirms Absence Of God. by Joshthefirst(m): 1:18pm On Nov 17, 2013

Deep Sight: I am in fact and in reality most ordinary, however in company such as yours, I inevitably feel most special indeed.

Take it easy sir, he's your son after all.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Where Was God Living Before HE Created Heaven??? by Joshthefirst(m): 1:17pm On Nov 17, 2013

obadiah777: what you think he sat on the floor ?. JK the whole world is his throne.

no sir, the bible states heaven is his throne and earth is his footstool in describing the infinite magnanimity of God.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Evil Confirms Absence Of God. by Joshthefirst(m): 1:14pm On Nov 17, 2013

Logicboy03: See what bias does to people? Garbage supporter

If you had any sense, you would se that I meant "we" in the general sense when I said that we are stil debating the existence of God. I mentioned Einstein and Neptune....clearly, I was talking about the larger academic debate over the existence of god.....atheists/theists.....not referring only to this thread

did you or did you not take it personal when I asked who is debating the existence of God with you? Smh.

Logicboy03: Do I look like Plaetton? Guy, argue with sense please....

Somehow, I know that you are twisting Plaetton's point of view

plaetton described energy as self-existent and used thermodynamics to support his point of view.

Christianity Etc › Re: Evil Confirms Absence Of God. by Joshthefirst(m): 1:09pm On Nov 17, 2013

Logicboy03: How is God my source? I am a physical being. We know that something comes from siomething. Physical from physical

Yet, your Gosd has no physicality to him

-Cant be seen, heard, touched, smelled or tasted or measured.....

Nonsense

apparently plaetton does not agree with the bolded.

Christianity Etc › Re: Where Was God Living Before HE Created Heaven??? by Joshthefirst(m): 12:57pm On Nov 17, 2013

obadiah777: his throne was in the third heaven before he created heaven

Where was his throne before he created the third heaven?

Christianity Etc › Re: Evil Confirms Absence Of God. by Joshthefirst(m): 12:55pm On Nov 17, 2013

Logicboy03: The fool shouts and hollers at the wise man...........

There is no evidence for God.....take it or leave it. No one debates the existence of Einstein or planet neptune. We are still denating the existence of god...

who is debating the existence of God with you?

Christianity Etc › Re: Where Was God Living Before HE Created Heaven??? by Joshthefirst(m): 12:54pm On Nov 17, 2013

The bible says heaven is the the throne of God.

I do not know where Gods throne was before he created heaven.

Christianity Etc › Re: Using Rubber Thread On Your Hair Is Demonic, May Lead You To Hell by Joshthefirst(m): 10:26am On Nov 17, 2013

Why? Why?
Why did this thread get to front page?

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Statue Survives Typhoon Haiyan's Destruction In The Philippines (PHOTO) by Joshthefirst(m): 10:21am On Nov 17, 2013

[quote author=Gabriel_sylar]Coincidence...JESUS would rather save real humans than his statue[/quote]thank you abeg.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Statue Survives Typhoon Haiyan's Destruction In The Philippines (PHOTO) by Joshthefirst(m): 10:20am On Nov 17, 2013

What has Jesus' statue surviving a typhoon got to do with anything?

You might as well ask why a statue survived and many human beings died.

Smh.

When war ravaged israel, even the temple was destroyed.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Where Was God Living Before HE Created Heaven??? by Joshthefirst(m): 10:17am On Nov 17, 2013

aManFromMars: Unknown and that is why it's called IGNORANCE.

where was I living before I moved to enugu?

Christianity Etc › Re: Using Rubber Thread On Your Hair Is Demonic, May Lead You To Hell by Joshthefirst(m): 10:00am On Nov 17, 2013*

aManFromMars: But the HOly Spirit told him? Why are you doubting?

the holy spirit and God's word agree. If it does not agree with Gods word, its not God behind it. What does this do to innocent people? All it does is create fear and make things be done in fear, and it is not good.

Colossians 2:16 So let no one make rules about what you eat or drink or about holy days or the New Moon Festival or the Sabbath. 17 All such things are only a shadow of things in the future; the reality is Christ. 18 Do not allow yourselves to be condemned by anyone who claims to be superior because of special visions and who insists on false humility and the worship of angels. For no reason at all, such people are all puffed up by their human way of thinking

19 and have stopped holding on to Christ, who is the head of the body. Under Christ's control the whole body is nourished and held together by its joints and ligaments, and it grows as God wants it to grow.

Why would we leave preaching salvation from sin and start preaching rubber hair thread?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Evil Confirms Absence Of God. by Joshthefirst(m): 9:52am On Nov 17, 2013

GeneralShepherd: Man could not have acquired the nature of evil,if God did not plan for it.

Your backward reasoning is becoming legendary!

Gods plan was man fellowshipping with him.

God did not plan mans fall. God foresaw man's fall and planned for a saviour.

Christianity Etc › Re: Evil Confirms Absence Of God. by Joshthefirst(m): 9:43am On Nov 17, 2013

Evil is not beyond the control of any individual. Evil confirms the prescence of God and validates human origin and character as described in the bible

It tells of how sin entered the world, how men got the nature that tends to evil, and how God makes things right with men.

The prescence of evil validates the message we preach and validates Jesus Christ, the author of the message.

Christianity Etc › Re: Using Rubber Thread On Your Hair Is Demonic, May Lead You To Hell by Joshthefirst(m): 9:38am On Nov 17, 2013

I do not think rubber threads or any of those such things like watching movies will lead anyone to hell.

This is just keeping people in bondage.

Sin leads people to hell, and God looks at the thoughts and motives.

A man who is dressed well and does not give sexually attractive women advances will be very guilty before God if he looks at a woman lustfully

I think we should make sure our motives are right and not be put into bondage of works and fear of hell. God has already saved us from nonsense obligated and empty works.

God looks at the heart. Are you serving God and living life because you're afraid of hell? Or because you've been freed from the power of sin and fear and death and ritualistic works and have been exposed to his love and power?

I do not say it is good or bad, I only say you should question your motives honestly before God.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Are You In Church Today? Pls Gist Us Today's Money Scam At Your Church. by Joshthefirst(m): 9:28am On Nov 17, 2013

No money scam at my church today.

Christianity Etc › Re: God Can Move Mountains? Phillipinos Betrayed? 10,000 Dead. by Joshthefirst(m): 9:56pm On Nov 16, 2013

[quote author=frank3.16]Since ihedinobi cannot answer, perhaps i should try josh (ohh i am haviing fun)

Mr josh, if God knows i am going to steal today... Do you think that what gog knows about my intention must come to pass or not, despite my choice.
I am assuming here that i have the choice to decide to do what i want, now do u think my freedom of choice can change what god knows about my future plan?[/quote]see the post above yours.

Christianity Etc › Re: God Can Move Mountains? Phillipinos Betrayed? 10,000 Dead. by Joshthefirst(m): 9:44pm On Nov 16, 2013

rationalmind: EXACTLY. I call that societal conditioning. That is one of the reasons what you do in Nigeria and go scot free, you might land in jail if you do it in saudi arabia.

So punishment is not a choice action?

Are you trying to say there is no freewill because the choices we make are based on the behaviour we have developed?

That's like saying a man does not actually make a choice to sleep because he has been conditioned to sleep by his body.

Christianity Etc › Re: Some Arguments Against The Bible For Joshthefirst by Joshthefirst(m): 9:37pm On Nov 16, 2013

Kay 17: @joshdafirst

Since humanity is on mental and physical decline, since the DNA is deterioriating rapidly, why is such decline immediate to inbreeding rather than reproduction generally?

during inbreeding, there is a higher probability of the two individuals having the same halves of imperfect genes(as they are siblings of the same immediate parents)

The probability of getting the same versions of imperfect genes from parents who are not closely related is lower. Much lower.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Some Arguments Against The Bible For Joshthefirst by Joshthefirst(m): 9:32pm On Nov 16, 2013

nwuyag: I honestly think you did not make sense.

how? Have you read the contents of the link?

Christianity Etc › Re: God Can Move Mountains? Phillipinos Betrayed? 10,000 Dead. by Joshthefirst(m): 9:29pm On Nov 16, 2013

rationalmind: I honestly don't even understand your question. Help me explain it better abeg

you said the essence of punishment is to condition us to act, which means punishment is conditioning, which means conditioning is a choice action. Or will you now claim punishment for wrongdoing is also an act of conditioning and not a choice action?

Christianity Etc › Re: Only A Fool Says There Is No God. by Joshthefirst(m): 9:18pm On Nov 16, 2013

Beretta92: @josh,did u really need to insult me to get ur point across?Seems jesus' blood is yet to wash ur tongue.

I'm sorry if I came across as offensive, I did not intend to.
But that is the exact way you were acting and speaking. Demeaning Jesus' sacrifice.

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Christianity Etc › Re: God Can Move Mountains? Phillipinos Betrayed? 10,000 Dead. by Joshthefirst(m): 9:13pm On Nov 16, 2013

rationalmind: Good!!!

I realised this exactly is the implication of saying people don't make choices. Why must anyone be punished for any offence.

The point however is, punishment still has to be metted out to anyone who commits crime because whatever "choice" they made might have affected others negatively. The essence of the punishment is to condition me and you to act out attitudes that will in no way negatively affect the lives of others.

Oga, I hope you realize that the very fact of conditioning in punishment is a choice action?

And I hope this has ended any other argument?

Christianity Etc › Family Ties by Joshthefirst(op): 9:02pm On Nov 16, 2013

You cannot claim christianity simply because you were born into a christian family.
Just as you cannot claim to escape Gods judgement simply because you're a descendant of abraham according to the flesh.

Here's what John the baptist had to say about it:

Matthew 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

It seems John also preached escape from the wrath to come grin

. Don't let the emoticon decieve you. This wrath will come indeed. We see prophecies come to pass before our very eyes. It is because of the seriousness of this matter that we preach. Man will experience Gods wrath if he does not embrace the only way his sins can be forgiven: Jesus Christ

8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. 10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

As you can see, salvation, which is evidenced by repentance from sin is not a family matter or church matter. You cannot claim abraham or oyedepo as your father and expect to escape Gods judgement on your sin. God no dey accept inside connections. God no dey do ima mmadu. grin

You cannot be a christian because you were born into a christian family. You're a christian when you're saved from sin. And your life will bear witness to your claims.

So let's be christians in deed. Get saved from sin, escape the wrath to come.

Foreign Affairs › Re: Nigeria & Singapore Get Independence Same Time. Which Is 5th Richest Nation? by Joshthefirst(m): 8:35pm On Nov 16, 2013

Logicboy03: You are too silly to see that you are part of the proble. Anyone who thinks like you is a cancer to Nigeria.

Millions have already accepted christ in Nigeria and so, your solution is a failure.

Furthermore, you were one of the jokers that claimed that one can run a "non-corrupt" business in Nigeria with the strenght of christ.

If the whole system (country)is corrupt, how can a part of the system not be corrupt?

Too many christians cant sit down and reason

this bolded is not true.
You are mistaking religious practices with the christian life.

It is possible to run a business without corruption in nigeria. Just because you're pressurized to engage in corrupt practices like bribery should not make one give in. That would be dishonesty and destruction of integrity which I have as a christian.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why God Appeared Wicked In The Old But Loving In The New Testament by Joshthefirst(m): 8:27pm On Nov 16, 2013

plaetton: Ignorance is such a terrible but forgivable thing.
But complex ignorance always deserves to be mocked and scorned.

You must have skipped through both primary and secondary school.
In junior secondary school was where we all learned that energy and matter cannot neither be created nor destroyed, both can only transform from one form to another.

Apparently you did not learn that, or, your bible school education unlearned it for you.
Pity.
And You have the nerve to come and display such disgraceful ignorance in public.
Na you sabi.

it is foolish for you to use thermodynamic laws as a reason to claim energy is self existent and go on to claim it has evolved everything we see today.

If you cannot see the foolishness in that, then I cannot say anything. It would be of no point.

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