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Christianity EtcRe: "Why Is There Suffering? That Proves There Is No 'loving' God." by Joshthefirst(m): 9:01pm On Nov 17, 2013
Image123: kay17 no bi Kayode? It must never be a woman ohhh. Ihedinobiiii,good to read you.
Bidam: No, na Kathy grin
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Christianity EtcRe: "I Don’t Feel Guilty." by Joshthefirst(m): 8:59pm On Nov 17, 2013
Ubenedictus: mr judge careful, ola presents a case of a sinner who doesn't feel guilty for his sins, goshen thinks he should be told that he has been saved through faith, the bible doesn't teach that as the right course of action. Instead the right teaching is that of sin and condemnation we have earned according to the law then you proceed to teach that God has offered a way out of sin and e condemnation of the law i.e grace.
thank you very much sir, for putting it in better light.
Christianity EtcRe: "I Don’t Feel Guilty." by Joshthefirst(m): 8:55pm On Nov 17, 2013
Logicboy03: Goshen is right.....

Joshthefirst and Ubeedictus are preaching falsehoods....they are assuming that a non believer has no conscience or guilt about his sin......


That is false and we even have christians who lack remorse for sin....Hitler and pastor King come to mind
comot for road!
angry

When did I assume that an unbeliever has no guilt for sin?

I thought you said sin didn't exist?


Goshen360: Bro, when Paul said in Timothy that the law is not for the righteous but for sinners. You need understand what it means, it tells them what they doing is wrong n show their wrong doings by defining their sins. It doesn't CONVICT them of the sins, the holy spirit does. What is the law doing to a man that commits murder but doesn't stop, rather continues to commit murder?
Sir, ola himself said the holyspirit convicts. He didn't deny it.

OLAADEGBU: "I don’t feel guilty"

People often don’t feel guilty when they sin because they have "seared" their conscience. They have removed the batteries from the smoke detector of their conscience, so that they can sin without interruption. The way to resurrect a deadened conscience is to go through each of the Ten Commandments, reminding the person that they know that it’s wrong to lie, steal, commit adultery, etc. Always preach the Law along with future punishment,[size=25pt] then pray that the Holy Spirit will come upon them and cause them to be convicted of sin, righteousness, and judgment to come.
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"Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron" (1 Timothy 4:2) The Evidence Bible.
Christianity EtcRe: Evil Confirms Absence Of God. by Joshthefirst(m): 8:50pm On Nov 17, 2013
Kay 17: @joshthefirst

Since God is the ONLY creator and he is perfect/good, how then did evil/imperfection get into the world without another God?
hookay!!!
I now see where manfrommars was driving to!

The bible says man became the god of this world, ie he had dominion over the earth. And he had freewill, that's how evil entered this world, through man's sin.

Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” 29 And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food. 30 Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food”; and it was so. 31 Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good.
Christianity EtcRe: Evil Confirms Absence Of God. by Joshthefirst(m): 8:45pm On Nov 17, 2013
Logicboy03: So what was the reason (pls back it up with scripture) God gave for spoiling the effort to build the tower
Genesis 6:The Wickedness and Judgment of Man

1 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose. 3 And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. 5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7 So the Lord said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.”



Sin grieves God, men's sin grieved God because he would have to judge them. Men were a single culture and on the basis of this, unrighteousness spread so much that it affected all except noah, who walked with God, and all men perished in the flood except him.

The same thing was about to happen in the account of the tower. They were establishing themselves as one culture and people, and unrighteousness was bound to occur once more like before. God would have to judge them like before. To prevent them, he scattered them. It's better to scatter them and judge them differently and singly as different groups of peoples, than wipe most of humanity out again.

Genesis 11:The Tower of Babel

1 Now the whole earth had one language and one speech. 2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar, and they dwelt there. 3 Then they said to one another, “Come, let us make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They had brick for stone, and they had asphalt for mortar. 4 And they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower whose top is in the heavens; let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.


The bolded is what you should focus on. If they were allowed to be one people, if unrighteousness multiplied, they would have to be judged as one people, resulting in something like the flood disaster all over again.

Genesis 11: 5 But the Lord came down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men had built. 6 And the Lord said, “Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do; now nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them. 7 Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.” 8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth, and they ceased building the city.

Do you see now? In scattering them, God prevented a world wide judgement from occuring again, at least before its time, in accordance with his promise to noah.

Do you understand now? Any objections?
PoliticsRe: Lamentation Centre For APC E-warriors by Joshthefirst(m): 8:28pm On Nov 17, 2013
Sincere 9gerian: How? This thread is very harmless. In fact, it will help some people release bottled up anger and frustrations. You never can tell what may happen to some people if avenues such as this is not created. We dont want to see sharp increase in suicide rate.
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Christianity EtcRe: Evil Confirms Absence Of God. by Joshthefirst(m): 8:27pm On Nov 17, 2013
Logicboy03: What truth? that god was offended by the men's ability to build a tower into the sky?
why would almighty God be offended by their ability to build a tower? When men are busy building towers and entering space?

Try to use energy to ask rational questions about Gods motives and judgements and decisions instead of wasting useful brainpower trying to discredit God grin . You just end up wasting your time sounding absurd and falling flat on your face like I said.

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Christianity EtcRe: Evil Confirms Absence Of God. by Joshthefirst(m): 8:20pm On Nov 17, 2013
Logicboy03: of course God is aware of the formidable power of man's creative ability.....God was scared of the tower of babel.... grin grin
I've explained the tower of babel issue many times. I'm sure enough people have grabbed the truth.
Christianity EtcRe: Best Of Logicboy- God Is A Middle Eastern Caveman!!! by Joshthefirst(m): 8:19pm On Nov 17, 2013
Logicboy03: huh

Exodus 20;17- Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his Bottom, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.


^^^
Do you list your wife among the things you own?


Joshthefirst's property
-"I better pass my neighbour" Generator
-N10,000 (located under his mattress)
-polytechnic certificate (grade; pass)
-Two goats
-One born again wife (With 2 sets of floor touching dresses)
how does God, giving a law about covetting, rule people's wives as their property?

What is wrong with you?

So God could not be saying:

You should not covet anything that isn't yours?

Smh.









At least the joke you gave was mildly funny.
Christianity EtcRe: Evil Confirms Absence Of God. by Joshthefirst(m): 8:15pm On Nov 17, 2013
aManFromMars: Was man created with a power to create? Was God aware of what this power could do? THE IMPACT it could have if used wrongly?
man only makes from available resources, not creates.

And yes, God was and is still very aware of this formidable power and the consequences of using this power wrongly.

God created man with an intellect. A superior one. One that connotes his very image.

PS: this debunks every single claim that our intellect would be useless in heaven.
Christianity EtcRe: Evil Confirms Absence Of God. by Joshthefirst(m): 8:09pm On Nov 17, 2013
aManFromMars: Apply the 3rd definition to Jesus's quote I posted. ''Ye are gods''

Gen 1
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.
so??
What are you driving at?
Christianity EtcRe: Best Of Logicboy- God Is A Middle Eastern Caveman!!! by Joshthefirst(m): 8:06pm On Nov 17, 2013
Logicboy03: My wife is not my property. Try again...with better sophistry cheesy
smhsmhsmhsmh

Is your wife yours?

When did God claim that one's wife is his property first?
Christianity EtcRe: Best Of Logicboy- God Is A Middle Eastern Caveman!!! by Joshthefirst(m): 8:03pm On Nov 17, 2013
Logicboy03: Hannah, Elisabeth and Mary were not prophets. Neither did I claim that there were no female prophets. READ AGAIN
yahweh is not sexist. This thread is just pathetic. Chai...

If this is your best, nawa o. Na only God go help you.
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Let me ask you one question relating to number 2 subsection 1;

Is your wife yours?
PoliticsRe: Lamentation Centre For APC E-warriors by Joshthefirst(m): 7:58pm On Nov 17, 2013
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This is just wrong ma'am
Christianity EtcRe: Best Of Logicboy- God Is A Middle Eastern Caveman!!! by Joshthefirst(m): 7:54pm On Nov 17, 2013
Deborah. Anna. Hannah. Elisabeth. Mary. Epic failure.
Christianity EtcRe: "Why Is There Suffering? That Proves There Is No 'loving' God." by Joshthefirst(m): 7:48pm On Nov 17, 2013
Ihedinobi: Wait o! Na confam say Kay 17 na woman?! shocked I don die! shocked shocked shocked
you no know say na woman she be?!

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Christianity EtcRe: Evil Confirms Absence Of God. by Joshthefirst(m): 7:45pm On Nov 17, 2013
aManFromMars: You need help figuring it out?

What is a god?
a supreme being.
That's what that verse was talking about isn't it(its an innocent question).

noun
1. the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.
2. the Supreme Being considered with reference to a particular attribute: the God of Islam.
3. one of several deities, especially a male deity, presiding over some portion of worldly affairs.


huh
Christianity EtcRe: "I Don’t Feel Guilty." by Joshthefirst(m): 7:40pm On Nov 17, 2013
Goshen360: I thought you know better than what you wrote up there. That the gospel of grace is for only believers? I can't believe you said that. What gospel are you saved by? Law? Did you obey any ten commandments when you were a sinner to get saved? Gospel of grace saved us and we continue in it. It is BY GRACE YOU ARE SAVED THROUGH FAITH
but the preaching of the law in the gospel convicts the sinner of his sins, not so?

Sin which is the breaking of the law.
And repentance based on grace which is God not inputing the punishment of your sins on you since Jesus has died and resurrected?

I thought being saved had foremost evidence in repentance from sin?
Christianity EtcRe: Evil Confirms Absence Of God. by Joshthefirst(m): 7:34pm On Nov 17, 2013
aManFromMars: Dwell on it. It will make sense after a while.
smh.
Christianity EtcRe: Evil Confirms Absence Of God. by Joshthefirst(m): 7:25pm On Nov 17, 2013
aManFromMars: John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
huh
Christianity EtcRe: Evil Confirms Absence Of God. by Joshthefirst(m): 7:11pm On Nov 17, 2013
aManFromMars: But man was able to corrupt that which his creator had made. smiley
correct.

And before you start to claim that perfection means that creation could not be corrupted, think again:

per·fect/ˈpərfikt/
Adjective:
Having all the required or desirable elements, qualities, or characteristics; as good as it is possible to be
Verb:
Make (something) completely free from faults or defects, or as close to such a condition as possible
Christianity EtcRe: Evil Confirms Absence Of God. by Joshthefirst(m): 6:41pm On Nov 17, 2013
Kay 17: Good.

Now, if God's nature is good and creation is from God's nature, doesn't that imply Creation must be good also?
yes, and according to the historical account, it was good.
Christianity EtcRe: "Why Is There Suffering? That Proves There Is No 'loving' God." by Joshthefirst(m): 6:40pm On Nov 17, 2013
Kay 17: ^ Questions none of you answered.

Neither did Oladegbu address them in his OP.



Would that end the suffering?
it would give hope and promise.
It would give salvation from the source of suffering and hope of complete remedy from the terrible effects of suffering itself
Christianity EtcRe: Evil Confirms Absence Of God. by Joshthefirst(m): 6:37pm On Nov 17, 2013
Logicboy03: Smh. Do you even watch anime at all?
huh

What is it?

I stopped watching anime some time ago.

Edit: does naruto not contain techniques?
Christianity EtcRe: Evil Confirms Absence Of God. by Joshthefirst(m): 6:36pm On Nov 17, 2013
Kay 17: Is God obliged to follow such absolute morals too?
those morals are part of Gods nature which is good.

He is obliged to keep his word, yes.
Christianity EtcRe: Evil Confirms Absence Of God. by Joshthefirst(m): 6:33pm On Nov 17, 2013
Logicboy03: Doesn't follow. Or do u have an anime in mind?
naruto?
Christianity EtcRe: Best Of Logicboy- Why Pastors, Imams, Priests Arent Good For You by Joshthefirst(m): 6:30pm On Nov 17, 2013
I attempted replying twice, before realizing that I had nothing to say apart from the usual.
Christianity EtcRe: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by Joshthefirst(m): 6:27pm On Nov 17, 2013
Logicboy03: The other guys weren't there when I needed support
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Why do you always take things too personal.
Smh.
Christianity EtcRe: Evil Confirms Absence Of God. by Joshthefirst(m): 6:26pm On Nov 17, 2013
Logicboy03: How does that follow?
it follows from the way you make up techniques based on your perception of people's characters.

"Ihedinobi misunderstood sophist technique"

"Annonyism"

Etc
Christianity EtcRe: Evil Confirms Absence Of God. by Joshthefirst(m): 6:13pm On Nov 17, 2013
Ihedinobi: So now it's me you're obssesed with, Logicboy grin
he watches too much anime
Christianity EtcRe: "Why Is There Suffering? That Proves There Is No 'loving' God." by Joshthefirst(m): 6:12pm On Nov 17, 2013
^^^ why do you keep asking the same questions?

Do you want to know the solution God has given in this present world?

Come to him on his own terms. Own up to him and acknowledge who you really are before him.
Then ask him to answer your questions. And guide you into truth

Come, ma'am. Come and see.
Christianity EtcRe: Evil Confirms Absence Of God. by Joshthefirst(m): 6:06pm On Nov 17, 2013
Kay 17: Human morals? So you now believe there is no absolute morality?
lol. This is what happens when I read too much posts on nairaland.

There is absolute morality to which our consciences bear witness.
Sorry if the words carried a different meaning.
I should have quoted "human morals"

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