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ImaIma1:
Ostracized? Do you think the child will care about that when he or she is old enough to understand that the people he calls parents and their brethren preferred him dead?


As long as God that brought that child to life doesn't see him as an infidel, every other reaction is background noise .

Coming from someone who belief dead babies go to heaven
Would God be happy if the child grow up and become an hellfire candidate when dying as a child would have made him an heaven candidate ?

ImaIma1:
The followers do not even know if their leaders had done blood transfusions in secret to save their own children. Will they tell them?

That's how the church denomination that banned the used of tv then...some of their leaders had TVs in their houses.


That's why it's better to understand the Bible and have a personal relationship with God for yourself instead of gullibly following unfounded and manmade doctrines.

Retract, you don't even understand the Bible yourself.

The Bible says abstain from blood, abstain from fornication , can someone says fornication only means sex through the vagina, if it's through the Anus . It's not fornication ? What difference is there in drinking alcohol through the vein when the doctor says avoid alcohol ?

ImaIma1:
So do you think it would have been best to let the baby die to avoid hatred from the parents?

If it's your baby and the doctors tell you that there is a chance of survival with blood transfusion, would you rather watch the baby die? Is that actually what the JW doctrine stands for? The same doctrine that has been reversed.

Do you believe when a baby dies, they have no sin and would automatically go to heaven ?

Barristter07:
You know the funniest thing about this whole brouhaha is that 80% of those speaking against the Witnesses actually believed that when someone dies they go to heaven, Isn't it ironic that if a person dies as a baby or kid . Their heaven is automatic according to their belief , Yet they don't want to reject transfusion and allow the baby go to heaven and be saved, Rather for the baby to grow and become a Potential Hellfire Candidate ?

Na true o
maybe they don't even belief dead people go to heaven anymore . Isn't it better to save them as child rather than they growing up and going to Hellfire ?

rottennaija:
So by give them a human attributes? Like 24 elders?

So if a spirit is given human attributes , it becomes Human ? Is God human ? Can you call God an human spirit being ?

I never knew u are this very Deluded

Ken4Christ:
The New body is a glorified body that those not die. The old body will be transformed into a new body that is imperishable. And this new body is not sustained by blood. It is sustained by the Spirit of life. Hence it is not called flesh and blood but flesh and bones.

1st Corinthians 15:53-54
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Coming from a so called Bible teacher . The present body is also sustained by the spirit of life . Tell another lie . ( Genesis 7:22) infact Same with animals.

You still fail to realize that a spiritual body isn't physical or made of flesh .

Am not Surprised , didn't you attack Jesus statement at Matthew 10:28 and Matthew 5:29,30 as ignorance . If people are in hell presently, why are they not there with their bodies ??

rottennaija:
OK. You cannot respond. I understand your inability. You cannot be wrong, it's painful to admit. OK. I see.

Is your question not supposed to be... Are they heavenly or earthly?

24 elders are in heaven . So that your question reeks of mediocrity , If not because you don't have sense, all is packaged in that question, do I need to add bracket. The main issue is : Are they humans [ creatures of Earthly dust ] or heavenly [ Spirit beings ] ?

rottennaija:
So it didn't say human beings, but human. Let me ask you Mr know it all, is it all human? Both the good and the bad?

U will never find the word Spirit being anywhere " being " is added to explain a kind of nature. Dumb man

Humans means human beings , do you admit the humans at Rev 21:3 are humans ( flesh and blood ) creatures as USED IN THE Scripture ?

rottennaija:
So the 24 elders are heavenly. So what do you you call them? Angels? God?Jesus? Lamp? What?

So that name given them is not enough for you. Are they heavenly or human?

rottennaija:
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I think either you are a fool or you are just blind. Or probably, you just don't read, you scan through and without read what has been said.

Go back to read everything I posted to be sure before coming here to look for straw to grasp. [/s]

you really pained.
Do u admit everyone created by God are his children ?

rottennaija:
Please refer me again, which text says human beings

Revelation 21:3 , " Human " refer to who ?

Don't forget it's applied to creatures of flesh and blood everywhere in the Bible , You better don't disgrace yourself Mr human Spirit being

rottennaija:
So who are the 24 elders? What do you call them?

" As the one from heaven, so too are those who are heavenly "
24 elders are humans or heavenly ? Sense is above you

rottennaija:
Who disgraced who?

It's obvious on this thread you know, with human spirit being, with humans but no flesh and blood analysis for the same Greek word applied to creatures of flesh and blood. You have no shame , I can understand your frustrations hence the rants . But am sure next time u gonna be careful handling some topics. You surely got burnt when you raised the children issue too, I real it all .


@ Barristter07, the guy hasn't answer if he admits everyone created by God is his children

Human spirit being , humans with no flesh and blood comedian , Good morning

rottennaija:
How determines who is losing relevance?

Again.

It's better you just keep shut that making useless analysis " The first man is from the EARTH AND MADE OF DUST [flesh] , the second man is From heaven [What did Jesus look like before coming as man, human ? Dumb ] , Like the one made of dust, so too are those made of dust; and like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly " - 1 Corinthians 15:47,48

Humans are made from the Earth and from DUsT. Human beings are earthly not heavenly . No such thing as human spirit being, humans are from dust of the earth, Earth is their habitat . Revelation 21:3,4 exposed you

I will disgrace you here o, The other thread you ran away when your lies were exposed , Go back there and explain How the Beast was caught alive and thrown into lake of fire ? Is lake of fire on earth for an human to be thrown there alive with his mortal body ? Does that sound like a new body to you ?

Secondly, go and explain what Jesus said that body and soul in hell ( KJV ) Ken4christ an Antichrist saying Jesus is lying and arguing his words .

You now came on this thread to rant again.

Ken4Christ:
The Jehovah's Witness are agents of darkness. I can say it over and over again. There is one faith and one hope - Ephesians 4:4-5.

Believers who sleep in the Lord goes to heaven. During the rapture, they are raised up from the dead and their spirit reunites with their bodies.God will give us a new body and those who are alive will be caught up together to meet the Lord in the air.

Jesus will come back to defeat the anti Christ and establish his Millennium reign on earth. After the 1,000 years, Satan who was bound before his reign began will be loosed. He will stage his last war but will be defeated and thrown into the Lake of fire.

Isn't it funny that Satan will be thrown where that Beast is ? Oga, who is this Beast, cos it never dies, tell me who is that human that didn't experience death and make God a liar.

Every one will be resurrected to stand before the great white throne judgment of God. Those whose names are not found in the book of life will be thrown into the Lake of fire.

After this, God will create a new heaven and a new earth whose capital will be the New Jerusalem. The concept of the new heaven and earth is that both will be merged as one.

God himself will be with us. There will be no more separation.

Revelation 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God

Open your eyes to the bold , or you carry your glasses along , Men, so flesh and blood will be in heaven ?

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rottennaija:
I see your problem. I'm sure you never take time to read what I wrote. Go read again to have enlighten. You only think of the flesh, humans, earth. You lack the ability to understand things of spiritual nature...

The life if the flesh is in the blood. When you get to heaven, the life of the flesh is no longer in the blood. You become a human spirit being, not flesh and blood beings.

Maybe I should have kept it in that simple ways for your limited capacity thinking to understand.

It's better you just keep shut that making useless analysis " The first man is from the EARTH AND MADE OF DUST [flesh] , the second man is From heaven [What did Jesus look like before coming as man, human ? Dumb ] , Like the one made of dust, so too are those made of dust; and like the heavenly one, so too are those who are heavenly " - 1 Corinthians 15:47,48

Humans are made from the Earth and from DUsT. Human beings are earthly not heavenly . No such thing as human spirit being, humans are from dust of the earth, Earth is their habitat . Revelation 21:3,4 exposed you

Barristter07:
Human beings are not spirit beings, that render your question baseless. Humans are not God, God is a spirit . Neither is a Flesh, Spirit. Isaiah 33:1

Don't worry , you are a good comedy on here

The guy is quickly losing relevance on here . Can u imagine such dumb comment like we will be Humans but not flesh and blood ? You mentioned that same Greek word at Revelation 21:3,4 applied to Peter at Act 10:26, when Peter said he is human, am sure he isn't flesh and blood as rottennaija would analyse with his silly rants

rottennaija:
Calling your fellows with limited thinking ability like yourself? What do they say, birds of the same feather

Here comes no emblem , no everlasting life . Mr high thinking ability yet got disgraced as evidence showed people gaining everlasting life without emblem.

You have show cased your ignorance on this thread again ?

rottennaija:
As expected, you cannot point to earth in the said verse. Just a fibble attempt to forced conclusions on the verse.

Why not answer the question and let's see if it's a fibble attempt to forced conclusion or Truth.

Where do humans dwell ?

By the way, while you are at it. God's home being with this humans, his tent with them, God with them... Isn't it also evident that God will also be with them on earth? (see reference below)

Strong's Concordance
anthrópos: a man, human, mankind

One single question: where do human beings dwell , heaven or earth ?

Yes, God will be with them on earth. Right now, God , a Spirit is even making his home with some humans ( how did your brain process John. 14:23) , But at that time, it would be with the entire mankind race.

Question again. Where do human beings dwell ? ( psalm 115:16 may help you )

rottennaija:
You can mastubate as long as you want with high sounding words that makes you appear intelligent, I'm unmoved.

I'm not one to explain Re 21:3,4 for you. You are one making the claim and now asking me to explain something to fit your claim. Isn't that insanely foolish expectations?

At times I wonder how foolish JWs can be. Of course I remember, because I use to be one. Where do you see earth in the said verse? Can you show me?

In fact, If you can point me earth in Re 21:3,4, I'll stop posting about JWs, surrender myself to the elders(as a fugitive), confess all my sins, get disfellowship and then after 6 months, write to the elders for call back.

Just point earth in Re 21:3,4.

The key word is in Revelation 21:3


" I heard a loud voice from the throne say, "See, the tent of God is among humans! He will make his home with them, and they will be his people. God himself will be with them, and he will be their God.


Strong's Concordance
anthrópos: a man, human, mankind

One single question: where do human beings dwell , heaven or earth ?

rottennaija:
joyandfaith, You made the above remarked. I asked the few questions below. Your lack of response is evidence you asked blindly without reading the post or knowing its content.

In your own words, I am surprised you cannot respond the above. critics should be able to provide alternative explanation to issues they are criticising ?

The same point you were desperately running away from ?

If the one hope according to your idea is been ressurected to heaven as spirit beings, Clown, explain Rev 21:3,4 which says MAN kind will die no more on earth ?

achorladey:
Hahahahaha as recorded in Titus 1:2. Hahahahaha.

Broken record, you can go and rest now. Next time you say nonsense again, that post will haunt you

achorladey:
WILL THAT BE ALL Oga Jozzy4?


ONE HOPE of everlasting life in TWO DESTINATIONS

Atleast you AGREE we ALL HAVE ONE HOPE. Hahahahahaha.

Very good.

Supported by the below


" My position has been CHRIST is the MEDIATOR of the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT with a PROMISE that includes making those in this COVENANT GOD'S CHILDREN John 1:12 in ESSENCE ROYALS be it in HEAVEN or EARTH. " - acholadey

achorladey:
The above post of mine is in Titus 1:2 I guess? Hahahahahaha.

Here it is ONCE AGAIN........


WHAT TWO HOPES are to be found AMONG CHRISTIANS TODAY, and why are the “OTHER SHEEP” interested in the hope the ANOINTED ENTERTAIN?


CHRISTIANS living at this time of the end focus their attention on ONE of TWO HOPES.

The remaining members of the “LITTLE FLOCK” of anointed Christians have the HOPE of IMMORTAL LIFE in heaven as kings and priests with Christ in his Kingdom. ( Luke 12:32; Rev. 5:9, 10 )

The far more numerous “great crowd” of “OTHER SHEEP” share the HOPE of LIVING FOREVER on a paradise earth as subjects of the Messianic Kingdom. ( Rev. 7:9, 10; John 10:16 )


THE OTHER SHEEP SHOULD NEVER FORGET THAT THEIR SALVATION DEPENDS on their active SUPPORT of CHRIST’S ANOINTED “BROTHERS” still on EARTH. ( Matt. 25:34-40 ) The anointed will enter into their reward, but the hope of the other sheep will just as certainly be fulfilled.
( Read Hebrews 11:39, 40 . ) First, let us examine the HOPE set before the anointed.

Just as REMINDERS and please don't forget the Watchtower you quoted on this thread and the ones I cited as well. They are good reminders.

I have discussed with you at LENGTH on this ONE HOPE palaver as it relates to Titus 1:2 and Ephesians 4:4. What you have TRIED to do all this WHILE is to DEFEND the TWO HOPES as TAUGHT by the organization you are a member of. The reason you kept SEEKING for WHERE, BASED on, ABOUT blah blah blah.

Last last what you could only do was to STATE...........

ONE HOPE, TWO DESTINATIONS. Hahahahahaha.

Nobody asked YOU about WHERE. It's on record. Neither did I ask you DESTINATION. So all your it RAISED a QUESTION is just to wriggle your WAY into the TWO HOPES you seek. Had you sit and think properly you will have seen that DESTINATION is DIFFERENT from HOPE. It's funny I had to go along with you to see the various ways you will devise to get to TWO HOPES. I really enjoyed that though.

Lastly the most hilarious aspect of it all is the last part of your comment to the post I am replying


ONE HOPE, TWO DESTINATIONS. Hahahahaha.


Can someone please ask Jozzy4 why is HE disturbing me with DESTINATIONS when I am particular about the ONE HOPE CHRISTIANS have?

Please Jozzy4 please don't start with your it "RAISED a QUESTION of WHERE" again Please. Hahahahahaha

One hope of everlasting life in two destinations ... Like the below



" My position has been CHRIST is the MEDIATOR of the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT with a PROMISE that includes making those in this COVENANT GOD'S CHILDREN John 1:12 in ESSENCE ROYALS be it in HEAVEN or EARTH. " - acholadey.


Finally

achorladey:
Oga this will not do ooooooo.

I still expect you to SHOW me the Where in Titus.1:2. as it relates to the ONE HOPE.

I told you no DIVERSION.

Where has answered itself.

" My position has been CHRIST is the MEDIATOR of the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT with a PROMISE that includes making those in this COVENANT GOD'S CHILDREN John 1:12 in ESSENCE ROYALS be it in HEAVEN or EARTH. " achorladey

Two destinations,one hope

achorladey:
I have told you repeatedly, if you want DIVERSION you won't get it.

Show me the WHERE in Titus 1:2. No way.

Diversion? Are you okay?

Am showing you proves that you teach two destinations .


My position has been CHRIST is the MEDIATOR of the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT with a PROMISE that includes making those in this COVENANT GOD'S CHILDREN John 1:12 in ESSENCE ROYALS be it in HEAVEN or EARTH.


The bold says what ?

So much for Mr show me where . Stating where already. Two destinations

Cc: captivator, Barristter07 , maximus69

achorladey:
The person you have this discussion with looks like someone that DON'T believe there is HEAVEN and EARTH abi?

Now is mocking you with the QUESTION. Hmmmmmm.

He also believed people will go to both heaven and Earth. Isn't it ?

achorladey:
When Jesus decided not to ANSWER questions posed to HIM, he must have made his FATHER A LIAR. Na your reasoning SKILL I dey follow oooooooo.

Now you have to use ANALOGY of a THIEF all in the name of WHERE. Provide the where you can't from the scriptures cited and the ones you choose to support your WHERE. How is that my palaver.

yet there is this in Titus 1:2.... and is based on a hope of the everlasting life that GOD, who CANNOT LIE, promised long ago;

Yet I still made GOD a LIAR. I bow for your REASONING SKILLS and your LIE DETECTING SKILLS.

" My position has been CHRIST is the MEDIATOR of the ONE and ONLY NEW COVENANT with a PROMISE that includes making those in this COVENANT GOD'S CHILDREN John 1:12 in ESSENCE ROYALS be it in HEAVEN or EARTH.
" - achorladey .

Two destinations

You get sense at all?

achorladey:
Because I didn't respond to your WHERE questions means EVERLASTING LIFE is NOT REAL. Hahahahaha.

That's better to keep and put as a REMINDER anyway. Atleast you have not seen me call GOD a LIAR. Hahahahaha .

you have make God a liar by your not answering, A thief will never say " I am a thief" , by their actions it shows. Your action at not telling how The hope of Everlasting life will be given to people, either Living or dead is a way of calling God a liar.

Is God lying at Rev 21:3,4 that humans will live forever on earth and not die ?

achorladey:
What can I do but loooooool and laugh harder with the questions you COINED out of my post. Hahahahaha.

You cannot EVEN comprehend the POST the reason you have to as USUAL RAISE question from it. Hahahahaa.

If I actually believed in TWO destinations, why are you still RAISING QUESTIONS. Hahahahaha.

I was mocking you with the question. It's on record that you admit there are destinations which could be heaven or earth.

achorladey:
Last last you cannot show the TWO DESTINATIONS in Titus 1:2 but wants to DIVERT into COVENANT. Hahahahaha.

You still can't comprehend the POST you cited. Hahahahaha. E get as e be oooo

You actually wrote that there is a destination, even mentioning Two .

You are deluded

achorladey:
Show us the TWO DESTINATION in Titus 1:2 and how it evolve into TWO HOPES.

" my point remains for all those in this one and only new covenant they remain as King and Priest irrespective of their DESTINATION( Heaven or Earth). " - achorladey

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cc: Captivator