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achorladey:
Bring it out in Titus 1:2. Then I will agree.

In one of your posts on April 30,2019 . 1:32am , you made the below statement.


" my point remains for all those in this one and only new covenant they remain as King and Priest irrespective of their DESTINATION( Heaven or Earth). "

So you actually believed there are two destinations ??

achorladey:
Bring out the EVERLASTING LIFE on EARTH in that scriptures Oga.

Who are those who will die no more in that verse, humans or spirit beings ?

achorladey:

Oga read and read and read Titus 1:2 it didn't raise any question.

Your friend said it IS BASED on NEW HEAVEN and NEW EARTH. That's why it's TWO HOPE. Now its HOW it will be OFFERED. John 3:16.

It raise many. This everlasting life it talks about, where will it be enjoyed, this present world , or where ?
You either mean everlasting life is not real ?

CAPTIVATOR:
Jozzy4 already pointed out that everlasting life means to Live forever. " Live " in English means to remain alive and to make ones home in a particular place
According to the Bible, where will humans live forever ?

So to have any point, you must tell us where or which place the living forever will take place .

Why you are so desperately running from this question is what I don't phantom , scared of been exposed ?

achorladey is empty . How can someone preach everlasting life without telling where the person's that got it will live ?

achorladey:
I know that God is NOT senseless neither did the WRITER of Titus 1:2.

In your quest to TEACH TWO HOPES you have to add RAISED a QUESTION of "LIVE FOREVER AT WHERE". Yet a clear READING of the SCRIPTURES Titus 1:2 didn't raise any. last last it's to TEACH the TWO HOPES CONCEPT.

Pick out the ONE HOPE in Revelation 21:3,4 none. Pick it out in John 3 verse what again. None. It's a CONCEPT you want to DEFEND with whatever means available.

Didn't raise any, define " live forever " ? The word LIVE itself demand a home or place .

Wait , tell me how this everlasting life will be offered if there is No place to spend it ?

achorladey:
I know that you are a BRAIN doctor you should know If I had sense or not.

Now look at the materials you cited..... Carries John 3:16. I believe you know what is RECORDED in there. the only THING needed is to tell us, where it is written that the EVERLASTING LIFE will be spent by SOME in HEAVEN and many OTHERS on EARTH. Hahahahaha.

The title of the article you cited is interesting. Here it is..

EVERLASTING LIFE ON EARTH - A CHRISTIAN HOPE.

and in the course of the whole article we have

EVERLASTING LIFE IN HEAVEN - A CHRISTIAN HOPE.

You see YOUR TWO HOPES CONCEPT?

The watchtower I quoted earlier is it EXPIRED TRUTH or latest production? Hahahahahahaaha.

You have decided to close your eyes to the words in uppercase to see the TWO HOPES concept. You want to use the material you cited to cover it. Your palaver.

All boils down to WHETHER WHETHER WHETHER.

Do you agree The Bible teach that persons will have Everlasting life in heaven and Earth ?

achorladey:
The title of the THREAD talks about WHO INHERITS the EARTH. I posted a verse on that already when a QUESTION was raised regarding that.

What is the ONE HOPE, I posted two scriptures concerning that as well.

Now it is WHERE. Pick out the WHERE in those scriptures. You Jozzy4 cannot do so but you want me to start going ROUND in circles on the WHETHER TEACHINGS abi?

Titus 1:2 raised the where question. Live forever, at where ?

Does other scripture not answer the where question ?

God is not senseless like you are

achorladey:
Those still reading the THREAD should equally take note of this as WELL........

ws17 Nov. p.27, 29
This is true whether they hope to live in heaven or on earth.

The prize before us —WHETHER IMMORTAL LIFE in heaven or EVERLASTING LIFE on a paradise EARTH— is marvelous to contemplate.

This cannot be the ONE HOPE in Titus 1:2. I guess?

w August 15, 2009

" He then spoke of the hope that is open to the whole world. (Read John 3:16.) Jesus was referring to the hope of everlasting life for his anointed followers in heaven and for others on earth. "

Do u have sense at all ?

Jozzy4:
See I know you have nothing upstairs except the trash from Paulgrundy , according to him the one hope is been ressurected as spiritual beings to heaven . ... The silly man can't defend the fact that Humans of flesh and blood not spiritual beings are also said to live forever without dying on earth where mankind lives ( Rev 21:3,4 ) , neither can the silly trash in your head defend the fact that Act 24:15 is not a Ressurection to heaven, yet they too are open to gaining everlasting life.

At this point , let the bible educate your ignorance self, that this one hope is simply the " hope of everlasting life " Titus 1:2 . This is the significance of the " living forever " added by the writer . Mankind will live forever on earth, while some brought from earth, will be ressurected as spirit beings to heaven. All will have the same ONe HOPE OF LIVING FOREVER .

Good day .

. Note for anyone reading the thread

achorladey:
Oga go and RESOLVE what is posted up there.

Or perhaps show me the HEAVEN or EARTH in those scriptures I cited.

Brain is given to everyone, Titus 1:2 says everlasting life is the one hope . To have everlasting life is to LIVE forever. The word " Live " necessitate a place. If you can't provide where we would live forever, you have no business with this topic

rottennaija:
My dear, go and rest. Jesus didn't respond to everyone, especially your kind. Am I ignorant? Probably. Are you? You can never know.

Your own case is because you are very scared that Rev 21:3,4 and Act 24:15 will do u much damage. Your ideas are not different from that of paulgrundy. Sorry for you

rottennaija:
Did you watch the video in the post?

https://www.nairaland.com/newpost?post=85357130&topic=5508686

Did you read the post in the link above?

How about the one in the link below?

https://www.nairaland.com/newpost?post=85362015&topic=5508686

You wouldn't ask the question when the answers are clearly there.

The link says the one hope is living forever . I ask you to explain the significance of LIving forever.

So you are quoting another's write up as yours. Worse is the writer of the articles believe humans will live forever on earth.

rottennaija:
If even I were to produce the best rebuttal this world were to offer, you still wouldn't see it. You know why? Because you are blind, deaf and dumb.

When have you ever produced a best rebuttal ? All the characteristics above describe you.

Isaiah aptly prophesied about your kind. 'You will hear my words, but you will not understand; you will see what I do, but you will not perceive its meaning. For the hearts of these people are hardened, and their ears cannot hear, and they have closed their eyes— so their eyes cannot see, and their ears cannot hear, and their hearts cannot understand, and they cannot turn to me and let me heal them.' - Mt 13:14,15


Happy New Year

In the application of this scripture, Jesus tells a parable, He expected the people to ASk him questions but they didn't . Only his disciples came to ask, tell us what the parable mean. And which He did

A question was given you based on your claims, you failed to give a reply because of Fear of been exposed. You need help

You can't even counter the post on what the one hope is . ignorance

achorladey:
I want to believe you have come across Ephesians 4:4 and Titus 1:2 on this thread that states clearly the ONE HOPE and A HOPE.

No where was it stated in THOSE two SCRIPTURES where the HOPE is SPENT. No mention of HEAVEN or EARTH.

Concerning Inheriting the EARTH read my post up above the THREAD to see how you can RESOLVE or DECODE it.

When the dead are raised for everlasting life , to where ?

joyandfaith:
@rottenaija, I am surprised you cannot explain meaning of one hope and who will inherit the earth. critics should be able to provide alternative explanation to issues they are criticising ?

These ones don't know anything about the topic they hijacked.

rottennaija:
Just like you have the trash from your governing body. No wonder they have been publishing nonsense that has a shell life of a few years and then discarded. Don't worry, in a few years, you wound be arguing this anymore.

No rebuttal, rants as usual.

rottennaija:
I don't have time for your trash. Its the eve of a new year. I'm about to enjoy this evening. I'll see you in the new year.

See I know you have nothing upstairs except the trash from Paulgrundy , according to him the one hope is been ressurected as spiritual beings to heaven . ... The silly man can't defend the fact that Humans of flesh and blood not spiritual beings are also said to live forever without dying on earth where mankind lives ( Rev 21:3,4 ) , neither can the silly trash in your head defend the fact that Act 24:15 is not a Ressurection to heaven, yet they too are open to gaining everlasting life.

At this point , let the bible educate your ignorance self, that this one hope is simply the " hope of everlasting life " Titus 1:2 . This is the significance of the " living forever " added by the writer . Mankind will live forever on earth, while some brought from earth, will be ressurected as spirit beings to heaven. All will have the same ONe HOPE OF LIVING FOREVER .

Good day .

Jozzy4:
what is the one hope ?

Rottennaija enters this thread ranting the Bible teach one hope, then what is the one hope the Bible teach ? He refused to declare his view . Are u scared ?

rottennaija:
You mean this food at the proper time rant?

From your perspective, what is the one hope ?

You are very much disgraced concerning your emblem is important for everlasting life teaching remember ? Your dirty laundry is right here on NL

rottennaija:
You keep using big words you have no explanation for. Who disgraced the fellow? You? How? When? You keep using big vicious words you have no understanding of. You don't expect me to defend your I'll conceived fake bias religion false believes.

If anything, it's you that has to defend the nonsense believes.

Rants.

I ask you: what is the one hope ? Tell me your own perspective .

rottennaija:
Why in association?

In association is important because the same people you mentioned teach that humans will live forever on earth, so how could they ever said one hope is going to heaven. ??

The writer added " living forever " to the comment, what's the significance ?

rottennaija:
Go read again the nonsense your religion puts up. You will see they are very consistent in the one hope of Eph 4:3

Explain the significance of " living forever " added to that comment ?

If you don't know , it's clear you are an empty brass making noise

rottennaija:
You mean the falsehood of your religion?

Check the part I bolded. Did I write them down?

And explain what the part bolded mean by " living eternally " in association with one hope.

Small understanding is affecting u big tyme

rottennaija:
What did you expect from poorly conceived doctrines that bears all the fingerprint of limited human thinking?

Says the same fellow that was disgraced with his no emblem , no everlasting life teaching . You who has bigger human thinking, what is the one hope ?

rottennaija:
You mean the falsehood of your religion?

Check the part I bolded. Did I write them down?



All what you just wrote above are the falsely conceive ideas watchtower has made up over the years since the days of Rutherford presidency. It is not my duty to defend such nonsense as I didn't formulate them.

It's like something is affecting your comprehension. I came into this thread and ask YOU PERsONally, what is the one hope ? You went and quote someone else who believed people will live forever on earth for me .

You ain't on the same page , Your concluding statement which says one hope refers to heavenly calling , Is yours ! Defend it.


To you: what is the one hope ?

U can't escape this mess you get yourself into

rottennaija:
I really took time to present what WT publications says about that reference. In all these publication, is clear that with reference to the one hope of Eph 4:3, it refers to the hope of heavenly calling.

By the time your falsehood is exposed with scriptures, you will understand why your " refers" is a big scam and strictly your ideology

If the one hope is heavenly calling , why will Humans live forever on earth according to Christian scripture? Rev 21:3,4

The whole Christian scriptures was written to anointed Christians. Men and women who have had the hope heavenly life. Eph 4:3 refers to the heavenly calling, the one hope all true Christians entertain.

The same Bible in the Christian scriptures speaks of a Ressurection of Righteous and unrighteous , where would this set of people be ressurected to ?

Ken4Christ:
Your so called works is sending people to hell. Works that turns the Bible upside down is evil work. Your founders are already in hell waiting for you to join. They wished they have the opportunity to come back to life and tell you that all their teachings are falsehood.

the same hell which existence you can't defend ?? the same hell that made you pronounce Jesus a liar ?

Your case is a pathetic one

Ken4Christ:
I was taught by the Holy Spirit who is the greatest teacher. Human makes mistakes but the Holy Spirit doesn't. I am working on a book that will point over 100 false teachings of your organization with scriptural proof so as to minimize the number of people you will further deceive. If you don't want to repent and change from your falsehood, don't drag more people with you because the journey you have already embarked on leads to the very pit of hell where your founders are already in. But God will have mercy on you if you repent. For all my comments, I gave enough biblical witnesses so you don't have an excuse. The choice is yours to hold on to your false teachings or embrace the truth that is contained in God's Word.

you are teaching falsehood, address my reply to you.

Ken4Christ:
The Beast is the New World ruler also known as the anti Christ that will reveal himself after the church has been ruptured and the remaining Saints persecuted to death. He will rule in a confederation of 10 European States. This is the ten toes represented in the image that Daniel interpreted in Daniel chapter two.

so the Beast is a REPRESENTATION , Good.

According to that verse , This Beast Didn't DIE . It was Thrown ALIVE into Lake of fire . my question is : Is Lake of Fire On earth for this person to be thrown into such a place BODILY ?

Note: ALIVE. it never dies, you are even finally making it sound like there is an human that will spend 1000 years without dying .

The false Prophets who was also called the second beast is the person that the Jews will receive as their Christ since they rejected Jesus as their Messiah.

They are called beast because of their ruthless form of leadership. But they are humans. The second beast aka false Prophet have supernatural power to make an image of the first beast that will talk. He will force everyone on earth to worship the first beast and receive a mark on their forehead. Anyone who doesn't have the mark will not be able to buy or sell.

Ken, I like the highlighted so much, So there are some humans that will never experience death and prove Genesis False .

secondly, This person didnt die, He was thrown WHILE STILL ALIVE into Lake of fire, Please is Lake of fire on earth ?

this person will be thrown BODILY too, Does the human body burn forever ? jungle Justice should help u here . don't forget this person didn't die, so don't give me any changed body theory.

It is the image erected by the false Prophet that will make the Jews know he is false and the Jews will refuse to worship the image. It is at this point that the Jews will face great tribulation that Jesus predicted in Matthew 24.

But before the nation of the Jew is wiped out, Jesus will come back and defeat both the Beast and the False Prophet and cast them alive into the Lake of fire.

That Jesus said He has the ability to destroy body and soul in hell didn't mean everyone who goes to hell goes with his body and soul. Even when Jesus died, his body was in the tomb but his soul went to hell. And he was tortured for a while before he was set free by the power of God as he met the demand of justice.

point of correction Jesus body wasn't found in the tomb. By the RED part, are u implying Jesus lied ?

if Jesus is correct, people in hell right now should be there with their BODY!!!!!!

I know the idea of Jesus being tortured will sound weird to you but he experienced the same thing physically on earth before he was crucified. He was beaten and they even spat on him.

The Beast and the False Prophet thrown into the Lake of fire fulfills the fact that Jesus can destroy both body and soul in hell.


But if someone dies now, his body is buried in the grave but his soul will go to hell if he is not saved.

Please humble yourself and learn. I will teach you more if you are willing to learn with an open heart. But I will first suggest you accept Jesus as your Lord and Personal Saviour first. Because only the man that is born again that can understand spiritual things. As the scripture says;

2nd Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Everything I wrote down here will certainly sound foolish to you because you are not yet born again. And you are trying to use your physical senses to understand them. Your reasoning faculties can't understand God. You receive God's Word in your spirit.

I think you are the one who isn't spiritual here, Because For you to have implied Jesus lied showed a lot about you. Did Jesus lie that BoDY and soul go to hell ?

if no, If people are in hell right now, do you agree they should be there with there BODY ?

Ken4Christ:
You are more concerned about body and soul being destroyed and you ignore the information which says that they are presently suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. This refers to the torment of their souls in hell. That a soul is destroyed doesn't mean it ceases to exist. Afterall, the false prophet and the beast in the book of Revelation that were thrown into the Lake of fire were still there after 1,000 years. They should have stopped being in existence. Why couldn't the fire extinguish their souls?

false prophet and Beast, You mean a literal animal ? what does Beast represent ? You can't thrown a representation into a real fire.

to answer your question,it never said They died talkless of their souls been thrown into Fire, it says they were THROWN ALIVE into the fire , Mr ken4christ ... Who is this Beast and False prophet thrown into Fire BODILY ?


not soul , stop lying around

The Moment The Beast and The False Prophets were both Thrown into the Lake of Fire.

Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. THESE BOTH WERE CAST ALIVE INTO A LAKE OF FIRE BURNING WITH BRIMSTONE.

After this incidence, Satan was bound for 1,000 years and Jesus established his Millennium reign on earth for this period of time. When the 1,000 years were expired, Satan was loosed for a season. He deceived much people to fight against God's people but the fire of God killed all his armies. Then Satan himself was cast into the Lake of fire. And the scripture says that the Beast and the false Prophets that were thrown in over 1,000 years ago are still there. They didn't dissappear into thin air or went into oblivion.

both where never dead, Casted ALIVE , please who is this Beast that didn't experience death before been thrown into lake of fire ?

this is not a spirit soul entity,but a Body been thrown into fire .

if you pay attention to my post to you , I didn't quote Matt 10:28 because of destroy, I did because it says BODY and Soul , Ken4christ , If people are in hell right now, why are they not there with there BODIES as said at Matt 10:28 ??

is Jesus lying that Body goes to hell ?

Rev 20:10 And the DEVIL THAT DECEIVED THEM WAS CAST INTO THE LAKE of FIRE and brimstone, WHERE THE BEAST and THE FALSE PROPHET ARE, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

I am waiting for another lie. Unless you don't understand simple English. You are supposed to thank me for correcting you so you and your members who repents will not perish. The scripture above has proven beyond doubt that the soul of man is eternal.

is the soul of a BEAST eternal ? cos it's Beast that was written there ... tell me if Beast never does . cos this was alive till thrown into lake of fire . what is this Beast ?

Ken4Christ:
You have to tell more lies to cover the previous one. This will make the count charges against you multiple. I believe the court of heaven will have up to 1,000 count charges against all Jehovah's Witnesses who spread lies. Who told you that they burnt to non existence? Let's read what the book of Jude has to say about this.

Jude 7.
Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, SUFFERING THE VENGEANCE OF ETERNAL FIRE.

I hope you have Jude in your Bible. It says they are suffering (present continuous) the vengeance of eternal fire. So who do we believe? You or the Bible? I know you will look for another lie to tell.

so those cities are still burning ? If you visit the site, fire is still there ?


=== I ask something the other time , do you believe the below verses ?

Matt 5:30 " cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell

Matt 10:28 fear the one who can destroy BOTH BODY and soul in hell

Ginaz:
It does cos she is putting it above everything else. She hasn’t put to birth yet ,why worry?

she is just worried about It increasing chances of infidelity, not all women are cool with cheating husband's .