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brocab:
Another Lair bites the dust, here is the Scripture-{Genesis 3:8} And they heard the voice of the Lord God walking in the Garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the Garden. Presence means, one or many.
If I was to stand in the presence of somebody openly he will see me, if I was to hide from them, I am either looking at them, or I know which direction he is coming from. Because I am felling His presence. And with common sense-I can't be hiding if we are having along conversation with each other..
{Genesis 3:8-11}Not only was the Lord God in the garden, the devil was also in there too.
If the scriptures tell us no-one had seen God at anytime. Then who was it, that Adam hid himself from their presence.
{Genesis 8:22} The Lord God said the man has become like One of Us, to know good and evil. For a JW, you should have all the answers to this verse {One of Us?} First of all-He said let Us make man in our own image
Does this scripture ring a bell {John 1:1} In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God-and the word was God.
And the word is Jesus {John 1:14} But of course you wouldn't believe in such truth. "Dickhead" show me where in {Proverbs 8:31} it said the master builder? Not even your bible say's Jesus is the master builder?

Liarrr where did you see master builder in my post ? U better go and get glasses Sir


Adam hear VOICE , the bible never said he saw God ... Liar

brocab:
As silly as you sound every time you quote, everything is always a problem to you.

Oga, calm down ... Let's see your lies

Can't you read God said let US make man in Our own image-who was God talking too?

His master worker - Proverb 8:31

Meanwhile the verse identified God as the one speaking ... Not so? U need to tell me if its two people speaking as God in that scripture ?

Who was Adam preferring too-when He said: he saw the Lord God walking in the Garden-how many People did Adam see?

Liarrrrrr, Show me where the scripture said Adam saw God ?

And the scriptures tells us no-one has seen God at any time, so who did Adam see?
Who was at the beginning of time{John 8:58}

Oga , show us where Adam see God ?

shadeyinka:
There is nothing impossible for God! Just as He can annihilate, He can also keep alive!

God doesn't keep the wicked alive .
" He doesn't preserve the life of the wicked " - Job 36:6

truthislight:
I was waiting for this from you, i was so grateful that you got this clearly spelt out.

it may not benefit those you are talking to right now on the thread, but, to other honest hearted individuals reading this now or later, it will be very obvious to them what the truth is as far as the Bible is concern.

The deceit and dead conscience in people is very deep.

well done.

Thanks bro

DoctorAlien:
On two conditions:

1. Show me where Jesus says "I AM NOT GOOD IN THE ABSOLUTE SENSE OF IT" in Matt. 19:17 or Mark 10:8

2. Tell me: if something is not good, what is it?

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have addressed all this earlier on !


face it , show me Jesus is the TRUE GOD in John 1:1 ?

DoctorAlien:
JESUS IS THE TRUE GOD! JOHN 1:1 SAYS SO.

you are from your father , the Devil !
show me " Jesus is the TRUE GOD" in john 1:1 ?

DoctorAlien:
Watch them say He is neither the true GOD nor is He a false god.

exactly . if you think he is the True God tell us ? and if you think he is a false God tell this thread ?

Emusan:
Even when you don't understand what the verse is saying, that's what we called brainwash!

your irrelevant opinion .

Emusan:
You're now short of words!

I strongly believe Jehovah will fulfil that prophecy man !

solite3:
jozzy answer my question! And doctor allien ask you a question did Jesus mention his father.
Is Jesus God? If yes then he is Good! So your trying to say that God there means the father will mean Jesus is not God which will invalidate the bible it self.
Jozzy if Jesus is not good why will he refer to himself as the good shepherd.

Did Jesus mention his Father at John 14:1 ? was he speaking to himself ?

DoctorAlien:
Show us where in the Bible Jesus rejects the title "Good", whether in the moral sense or whatever.

Mark 10:18

Emusan:
Not only in Numbers 11:17 KJV used IT in some places for HOLY spirit, that doesn't mean the IT usage is wrong.

your god no. 3 is an it , i thought its a person ! chai

[quote author=Emusan post=49412477]So which means of MORAL EXCELLENCE Jesus is not GOOD, Yes or NO?[/quote
Mark 10:18

Emusan

Who told you i don't accept the translation of ALL VERSES in those version. My friend there is no version I list there that I don't accept.

okay ! Numbers 11:17 KJV said the holyspirit is an " it " ? do you agree with that rendering ?

Emusan:
Answer my question and stop perambulating.

Is Jesus GOOD or NOT?

though of moral excellence , Jesus reject the title "Good " , he reserve it only for his Father . Mark 10:18

DoctorAlien:
Answer the questions, please?

i cant do your homework for you , man read JOhn 14:1 to see how Jesus use the word " God " ? was he reffering to himself ?

DoctorAlien:
Jozzy4,

You said that Jesus is not good in the absolute sense of it.

The Bible calls Jesus the Word of GOD.(Jn 1:1) Are you saying the Word of GOD is not good in the absolute sense of it?

The Bible calls Jesus the Wisdom of GOD;(1 Cor. 1:30) Are you saying the Wisdom of GOD is not good in the absolute sense of it?

Jesus called Himself the truth(Jn. 14:6) Are you saying the truth is not good in the absolute sense of it?

Jesus called Himself the Way to GOD(Jn. 14:6) Are you saying that as the Way to GOD, Jesus is not good enough?

all this because you dont know who Jesus called God at Mark 10:18! you have been distanced from our heavenly father ehn


oga, Read John 14:1 and know whom Jesus called God ! when you are through , you would see that those questions become irrelevant

DoctorAlien:
Jozzy4,

If Jesus Christ was not good enough,

learn to comprehend , thats in comparison with God , the Father . Mark 10:18

how could He have been a perfect sacrifice for sin?

he was a perfect sacrifice for sin. and the only perfect man who humbly do Gods will till the end .

DoctorAlien:
This how JWs deny Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is not good in the absolute sense? So Jesus is partially good? Jesus is not perfectly good?

It's becoming very clear that JWs are not Christians.

speaking the truth = not Christian . hahaha haha , Mark 10:18 is always there for you to read when you understand that when Jesus say God , he is reffering to his Father . ( compare John 14:1 )

DoctorAlien:
I'm gonna keep this here as a memorial to JW doctrines.

Mark 10:18

DoctorAlien:
IS JESUS GOOD OR BAD?

My aim of bringing up this verse is to let you know your question regarding if Jesus is a true or false god is very wrong .


Jesus reffered to his Father as God , saying only his Father is good ... your allegation that Father doesnt appear in this verse hold no water until you can tell me who Jesus called God at john 14:1 since father doesnt appear there too !
now the context indicates that Jesus is not good in the absolute sense of the word . that doesnt make him a sinner or a bad person either . in this case he is a good person , but not good in the complete sense of the word , Only the Father reserve that !


applying this to the earlier question regarding Jesus being a true or false god means ONLY Jehovah his Father is the only True God . - John 17:3
every other god are either false or just called God because they are mighty ones e.g God making moses God , God is not making a false god neither is Moses the True God . he is simply a "mighty one" this is where Jesus is been categorized.

[quote author=solite3 post=49410377][/quote]mr , see my response to doctoralien . and point of correction , when Jesus says God , he is reffererring to his Father. read John 14:1 .

unless you want to tell me God in john 14:1 is Jesus himself !

DoctorAlien:
I'm very sure the word "Father" does not appear in that verse.

I mean, Jesus is GOOD.

NOw, stop dodging, answer yours: is Jesus good or bad?

see my response to you above .

does Father appear in John 14:1 ? who is been called God in that verse ? Jesus himself ?

DoctorAlien:
Before we go further, answer this question: is Jesus good or bad?

you just jump into an ocean you have no knowledge about .

My aim of bringing up this verse is to let you know your question regarding if Jesus is a true or false god is very wrong .


Jesus reffered to his Father as God , saying only his Father is good ... your allegation that Father doesnt appear in this verse hold no water until you can tell me who Jesus called God at john 14:1 since father doesnt appear there too !


now the context indicates that Jesus is not good in the absolute sense of the word . that doesnt make him a sinner or a bad person either . in this case he is a good person , but not good in the complete sense of the word , Only the Father reserve that !

applying this to the earlier question regarding Jesus being a true or false god means ONLY Jehovah his Father is the only True God . - John 17:3

every other god are either false or just called God because they are mighty ones e.g God making moses God , God is not making a false god neither is Moses the True God . he is simply a "mighty one" this is where Jesus is been categorized.

Emusan:
General understanding of what human know as God.
Now answer my question, is Jesus GOOD OR BAD?
Don't dribble again...

who exactly ?

DoctorAlien:
Himself.

see what trinity has done to your life , you cant identify the God of Jesus Christ anymore ? both The man speaking to Jesus and anyone there are jews who know whom Jesus is reffering to as God, as none other than Jehovah.

consider John 14:1 pls and tell me whom Jesus is use the word " God " for ! seem you have a long way to go

DoctorAlien:
JESUS IS GOOD! HE CALLED HIMSELF THE GOOD SHEPHERD
Have you any contrary view?
Bear in mind that if you're not good, then you're bad.
So, according to you, what is Jesus?

Jesus said only his Father is good , you mean he is bad ?

Emusan:
Why lying about what Jesus didn't say

Jesus never said HE IS NOT GOOD "And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. " Mark 10:18

We can see that it's ONLY GOD that is GOOD.

From here it's evident that Jesus is bringing out a fact, now you agreed that Jesus is speaking in MORAL SENSE.

To your question NO! Jesus is good that's why He is God.

Now answer my question, is Jesus GOOD or BAD?

@ underlined , tell us who Jesus refferred to as God ?

DoctorAlien:
Jozzy4,

You said Jesus implied that even He himself is not good. Please why did Jesus call Himself the GOOD Shepherd?

Good in the absolute moral sense, not about been a caring or good SHEPHERD. context man

DoctorAlien:
If one doesn't deserve to be called good, what's left to call him?

NOBODY including Jesus , I and You is good except God , Father alone , we are all bad people right ?

Emusan:
But He combined the two words meant for God alone which GOOD and SHEPHERD.



Now, this is what I've been waiting to hear from you. Since Jesus is talking IN MORAL SENSE. Is Jesus good in moral sense or not?

I know you will start dribbling or find way to dodge my question.

now back to what led to this :

he said he isnt good , only God his Father is Good - mark 10:18 , does that make him bad ?